Guild Wars 2

hazenvirus.8154:

testpig.5018:

The glory of the current system is that the small man group, can take a supply camp, and actually make a difference to the enemy.

You can actually Siege a castle, stopping/draining their supply, to deny them from getting upgrades.

With the new proposed mechanic, you can’t do anything.

I agree with you about that, but if the server you want to choke out is far enough behind the system I proposed gives them a better chance of defending. If they are doing well then you might still be able to choke them out before they can upgrade.

Like testpig said, you have no hope of attacking if you’re undermanned against another server. We play games to achieve objectives: having the ability to take an enemy’s keep – particularly your strongest enemy’s keep – is paramount to the appeal of WvW. There’s actually nothing gained from your system which ignores the strategic importance of supply. Any system that ignores a supply layer will always benefit the stronger servers since there is impossible to strategically wrest control of territory from them. Numbers will always win.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/The-PERFECT-simple-solution-to-Auto-Upgrade/first#post5090301

Excellent idea.

Hey Blu, thanks for running this it was fun.

I believe if you run this again, you should not use the cave as the arena. The camera does not agree with it at all; that’s very frustrating when you can’t see the attacks you need to dodge. I’d also maybe look into not allowing mid-match class swapping and/or maybe doing a best of 5.

wolf.1895:

kitten , BP really going full fatass mode for that second place. You guys do realize that y’all are still going to end up above DB regardless of this matchs results, right?

We play for keeps, bro. Step off!

Lets be honest- when’s the last time you saw an exciting last day PPT finish to decide the finish order? If only every week worked like that then PPT might actually matter.

Yeah, I figured it was probably something like that. It had happened to me before as well (but I wasn’t AFK). Just gotta remember to stow that silly pet when on the sidelines. No harm no foul.

BLUna.7928:

Final Two Spots have been filled and the bracket has been shuffled. If you would still like to sign up feel free to do so and you will be added to a waiting list if we have teams drop out and/or no show.

here is a link to the brackets: http://challonge.com/PvPTV2v2

You should throw that up in the OP

Drigan.7382:

nothing.7941:

Thx for the GvG ROT! SBI is lucky to have y’all, looking forward to seeing you on the field some more this week (and next week? wtf anet).

aww noo! take it nobody decided to livestream? what was the final score, just curious?

I think we have some videos. I’ll post them / PM you if you’re interested when I grab lunch.

Some fun open field fights last night

Thanks for the GvG HOPE. Happy to have finally had a challenge. Now we get the chance to improve!

Good GvG RET. Sorry about the village idiots spoiling that one round. Hard fought!

Toble.2968:

WALABRO! <3 I missed you.

I should be out and about Tuesday or Wednesday night, maybe even late tonight. I want more good fights with you! Bring a friend because I’ll have a duo partner!

:* Hopefully see you on the field!

Sounds good to me

grabemx.9836:

AKLbow.2463:

Hi, Commander Forum War Viohlent here. Before I reply to a few posts I’d like to point out that we had a great time yesterday. One of the best fights I’ve had was at the middle island by ruins and I’d like to thank VP and all the others that were in it.

BP – You guys are way more fun to fight on the field than FA.
FA – Keep doing what you’re doing and going for those PPT. Great job, seriously. Oh, and please blob harder.

[ÆÆÆÆ] – You guys run a solid 5 man. Good fights!
[CORE] – Lol. That’s all.
[SIC] – I hope to find you guys out there for some more fights!

You won’t find SIC in EB unless we are running solo or 2-3 man. When we get together as a guild we usually hit an opponents BL. To be honest I haven’t run into NSP yet with the exception of a 3-4 man group trying to take Golanta during one of my roaming excursions. Not a dig at your server, I just feel you guys probably don’t care about this match up anymore…kinda like us.

XOXO is usually in the BLs… I seem to run into them often. Where you at?!

Tyrion.5764:

Good videos of BP defending their garrison, siege everywhere and 60+ players.

Normally at reset night theres 2 servers hitting a Garrison, but not this Reset. FA has to do the work of 2 servers in your garrison

Anyways here a small video of what happen outside your garrison btw you can also see my 10-15 BOMB killin same numbers from NSP and BP so for those who say FA do not run small groups well .. phew phew ^^ :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG-3M5XTvmQ

you click your abilities……

Super Kruegs.8967:

@Walabone.6713

Message me in-game if you want a small scale fight 5v5 etc. We run 8-12 PM PST. We literally never run with a tag. FA zergs always coat tailing us

haha, feel your pain.

etrigan.4213:

Walabone.6713:

The difference is, you have all maps Qd with giant organized zergs everywhere. THUS, granting you the “ability” to split up and do multiple things. We do this every week, normally. In fact, we do it better than most. This week, however, we have no intention of even trying to win PPT. You have a coverage and numbers advantage. GG, week over.

What’s the point of pushing out of our northern section in BP, for example when whatever progress we make it going to be wiped out by your giant zerg the minute we leave? It’s not like we’re going to win PPT this week – we knew that, I hardly thinking anyone is trying. I think most would much rather farm bags all night in Garri.

Our small man groups just pick at your zerg’s backside and rack up the kills. And the ruins are hardly a good place to go if you’re looking for small man fights- that sort of thinking only proves that you have no idea what a “small” group looks like.

Also, I have not seem a single FA small-man group all week. At least none that were memorable. Literally everyone on BP and NSP agree on this, but for some reason you think that’s not the case…

You’re missing the point, if you have a queue’d BL or two then you should probably own more than your Garri.

We are queuing your BL…and you are queuing your BL…NSP is non-existent this matchup…so at that point the fight is balanced for you.

You have a balanced BL, and you aren’t holding or taking anything but Garri.

This is not FA’s fault. We are just playing WvW.

And as for needing a reason to leave the north: Fights.

Why else. You know you guys gained a guild called SIC from FA, and while they aren’t the end all and be all of everything in WvW, they know about whale hunting.

Make it happen! Someone…ANYONE…make it happen.

We are throwing ourselves at your siege because what else is there for us to do?

You’re missing the point: nobody gives a kitten about winning this matchup on BP or NSP. The outcome is predetermined. Our focus this week is getting kills and having fun.

We don’t Q our BL 24/7 … thus what’s the point in holding more than the north? Your zergs know there is no point to playing the PPT game, they don’t have to respond to attacks by our small man groups because they can just zerg it back in a few minutes.

BP sits in our Garri because what else is there for us to do?

What fights are you talking about? The only fights we find are against your zergs. I take a keep, I get zerged. I take a tower, I get zerged. So what’s the point in running to the south if I only get the exact same fights as up north? Might as well not run as far. Plenty of kills to be had.

You’re just playing into our hands.

Super Kruegs.8967:

@Walabone.6713

There are skilled small scale guilds on FA. WS, TUNE, RAM, and CORP to name a few. Find those tags and find fights. Most play Late NA and OCX. FA runs almost all in guild groups on TS3, so yay lot’s of organized guilds groups from 5-40 man.

I’ve only seen WS, TUNE and RAM. And all of them were running with large groups and commander tags in my recollection.

Look for the ÆÆÆÆÆ group, we pretty much strictly run a 5-man.

etrigan.4213:

Walabone.6713:

Right, which is pretty much what I said. Any advice after that is moot, because I also said that it’s pretty clear that our server doesn’t want to play the game that way – and that’s why we’re on BP and not FA. We don’t all want to run around in a giant blob – if we wanted to win, we would need to, yes, and I can see that – but I don’t think that’s quite as important to us compared to our general enjoyment of the game. Our normal match ups against non-T2 servers are very different than the match ups FA is used to – and both our servers have adapted to those environments. Trying to tell smaller WvW servers which are comprised of mostly smaller guild groups and skill groups to Zerg better is pointless. The WvW game is just played differently in Silver Tier – and FA is really the sole exception to that rule (and maybe the new SBI). And I think you are all realizing that – you’re super bored because we’re not going to play WvW the way you all want to play it.

So my advice to you, try going around in smaller groups of 10, 15, or 20 and looking for similar sized groups fielded by BP and NSP. I’ll guarantee you’ll have more fun this week, and in the weeks to follow.

When in Rome…

Honestly we do have smaller groups doing stuff. That is part of the difference. The ability to split up and do multiple things.

Like I said. You guys queue’d your own BL the other night, and only held garri and a paper tower.

The difference is, you have all maps Qd with giant organized zergs everywhere. THUS, granting you the “ability” to split up and do multiple things. We do this every week, normally. In fact, we do it better than most. This week, however, we have no intention of even trying to win PPT. You have a coverage and numbers advantage. GG, week over.

What’s the point of pushing out of our northern section in BP, for example when whatever progress we make it going to be wiped out by your giant zerg the minute we leave? It’s not like we’re going to win PPT this week – we knew that, I hardly thinking anyone is trying. I think most would much rather farm bags all night in Garri.

Our small man groups just pick at your zerg’s backside and rack up the kills. And the ruins are hardly a good place to go if you’re looking for small man fights- that sort of thinking only proves that you have no idea what a “small” group looks like.

Also, I have not seen a single FA “small-man” group all week. At least none that were memorable. Literally everyone on BP and NSP agree on this, but for some reason you think that’s not the case…

etrigan.4213:

Walabone.6713:

FA is right, we don’t have any great leadership on the open field. But that doesn’t mean we don’t have great guilds, players, or even leaders. We’re just not used to this playstyle we’re facing at all (and lets be honest, we don’t have your coverage). It’s a totally new meta to most of us, one that you have all developed in as a server; whereas we’re still in a place where multiple 15-20 man groups make all the difference. I can see what’s needed to go against your kind of server, all things being equal, but I don’t want to go there yet, nor do my server mates.

Honestly its not just the numbers. We know for a fact that you are filling at least one BL a night. Its just that your commanders are not getting you guys organized to do anything useful.

Right, which is pretty much what I said. Any advice after that is moot, because I also said that it’s pretty clear that our server doesn’t want to play the game that way – and that’s why we’re on BP and not FA. We don’t all want to run around in a giant blob – if we wanted to win, we would need to, yes, and I can see that – but I don’t think that’s quite as important to us compared to our general enjoyment of the game. Our normal match ups against non-T2 servers are very different than the match ups FA is used to – and both our servers have adapted to those environments. Trying to tell smaller WvW servers which are comprised of mostly smaller guild groups and skill groups to Zerg better is pointless. The WvW game is just played differently in Silver Tier – and FA is really the sole exception to that rule (and maybe the new SBI). And I think you are all realizing that – you’re super bored because we’re not going to play WvW the way you all want to play it.

So my advice to you, try going around in smaller groups of 10, 15, or 20 and looking for similar sized groups fielded by BP and NSP. I’ll guarantee you’ll have more fun this week, and in the weeks to follow.

When in Rome…

I find it really interesting to see the differences between T4 and T2. Essentially it seems like somewhere between T4 and T2 that small skill groups evaporate and zerging is the only acceptable play style. Not saying that’s a bad thing, truly! It’s just different.

FA is right, we don’t have any great leadership on the open field. But that doesn’t mean we don’t have great guilds, players, or even leaders. We’re just not used to this playstyle we’re facing at all (and lets be honest, we don’t have your coverage). It’s a totally new meta to most of us, one that you have all developed in as a server; whereas we’re still in a place where multiple 15-20 man groups make all the difference. I can see what’s needed to go against your kind of server, all things being equal, but I don’t want to go there yet, nor do my server mates.

There’s not a whole lot to take out of this week other than, if BP ever finds itself on the outside of T2, we’re going to need to adopt playstyles much like FA. But until then, I think we’ll all continue to enjoy playing the game in our own way. If you want some fun, since some of you are bored, I’d suggest breaking away from the zerg in groups of 15-10 and testing your skills against NSP and BP small-man groups. Because at the end of the day, we can’t form zergs like yours right now, so you won’t find us going head to head with you unless you break up those numbers.

I do look forward to our GvGs this week. Hoping you FA guilds can show us something.

Warrior changes:

These changes will definitely break ALOT of builds on the warrior. Not necessarily a bad thing, but worth pointing out.

My gut feeling is that these changes are a SIGNIFICANT nerf to hammer dps. I’m worried that it’s going to be a little too much. Like others have said, I think to start you should either move Unsuspecting Foe OR reduce hammer damage. And then re-evaluate. Possibly consider reducing the crit chance on Unsuspecting Foe and leaving it where it is, while also doing smaller damage reductions on the hammer. Doing both is swinging for the fences, and I don’t think that the results are going to be positive.

You’re already reducing the hammer’s damage by moving Unsuspecting Foe, I don’t believe the additional damage reductions will be necessary. I’m not just considering PvP builds, but also the tanky warrior builds you may see in WvW, that currently rely on unsuspecting foe to get any relevant damage out of the hammer.

I also think that you should take a good, hard look at the Strength tree, which is pretty much worthless in non-PvE play.

From what I understand the tally was around 25-30 while it was queued this evening. Obviously that is a very low number, as a borderland can usually hold around 90+ people from your side.

People have mentioned it could be legions of bots, but no one seems to be able to get in and effectively check on this. I doubt this could be the case though. We’ve had problems with our borderlands being bugged out in the recent past.

sirflamesword.3896:

Walabone.6713:

Perhaps BP has a right to complain about numbers? It turns out we’re starting to confirm that our BL has been bugged all week – improperly sending players to the queue despite only 25ish being logged into the entire zone.

THIS is know to be completely untrue. The times we have taken Hills on the BL there has always been a relatively large zerg there to defend against us. (40+)

Obviously it’s our word against yours. All I can offer is anecdotoal evidence. That same goes for you. It doesn’t seem like your servers are so much affected. I’m not really going to say that your wrong, and I hope you’re right even because that would really suck for everyone involved. The only people that can confirm this for real is Anet.

Last week we had excessive lag and forced disconnects / client crashes. This week, during the innaugural League match, our BL has been queued at all times. Normally, this would be cause for celebration, a testimate to our server’s willingness to defend it’s turf. Sadly this is not the case.

It appears that BP is being improperly Queued out of our Borderlands. Despite the game claiming that the BL is full, we instead only have 20-30 people playing in the entire zone. As you can imagine, this makes is very difficult to match the opposing server, who puzzlingly has been able to get much bigger numbers into our lands – numbers, frustratingly, we haven’t been able to repel since the lands have been full this entire week so far.

For context, I’ve never seen BP have a queue in a borderland except for on resets and perhaps big pushes throughout the week (where at most 1 land was queued). Currently, I have not been able to get into BP BL all week because of the queue prompt.

All I have to substaniate this claim with is reports from our players / commanders who have actually been able to get into the zone. They were able to rally all of our forces, and a head count revealed that there were only 25ish in the zone. The zone was queued to our forces.

I’m sure we would appreciate having this matter looked into. Hopefully it can be swiftly resolved!

Perhaps BP has a right to complain about numbers? It turns out we’re starting to confirm that our BL has been bugged all week – improperly sending players to the queue despite only 25ish being logged into the entire zone.

Personally, I’ve been Queued out of BP BL all week at all times of the day, so I cannot personally confirm this. Though I’ve never seen such a Q ever in all my time on BP so it has been a bit hard to believe – thus, I had my suspicions that it was bugged. We had similiar problems last week on our BL when a majority of the players were experiance significant lag and getting disconnected constantly (this affect not only us but all servers, making our BL unplayable).

Not to make excuses, but if this turns out to be true, that would really put an asterix on this week’s matchup, which has otherwise been excellent.

Someone GvG us.. Contact Martin Firestorm of [BB] on BP

Josh XT.6053:

I’m getting REALLY annoyed at all this insane lag and dcing in BP BL right now.. Its 11am my time, there aren’t even THAT many people on the map from any side and I get into small fights and lag out and dc…

Important things to note; No, it isn’t my computer, no it isn’t my internet. Everything else is working great except when I try to go into wvw.. :\

Yah bro, get with the times. The BP BL is bugged, and everyone knows this.

EFWinters.5421:

Okay I will make it simple.

Guy: a!=b
You: a==b
Me: a!=b
You: a!=c
Me: Fair enough, but a!=b
You: Stop saying a==c.
Me: I never said that.
You: You said that.

It’s more like:

Random IOJ noob: a != b and b is a joke.
Martin: B isn’t a joke, that’s an unfair characterization.
You: I have poor reading comprehension skills. a != b
Martin: Fair enough, a != b, but all I’m trying to say is b isn’t a joke.
You: I still don’t understand what’s going on here… a != b ?
Martin: Are you dense?
You: Yes.

FIXED

EFWinters.5421:

nothing.7941:

You know exactly what I was saying. I am not comparing anyone, that’s what that other guy did. And btw some of the DR people are in the BP version. But he also called them incompetent and an absolute joke, which they are not. And I being on BP and having run with them before am in a better position to judge that then you are on Ebay.

But now you are making assumptions again. Believe me when I say you are not in a better position than me to judge the general quality of NoQQ players.

They might not be a joke, but despite being much bigger than the DR version, NoQQ is a shadow of it’s former self.

I fail to see how you, having absolutely no knowledge of any of the players currently in NoQQ nor having played against us recently, consider yourself to be in a better position to judge than Martin. Trolls gonna be trolls, I guess.

urbanevil.7145:

Sorry was just calling it how i see it, and u guys were winning outnumbered? Musta been way before me and a guildee were roaming, because all u guy’s did was ignore head’s up fight’s, call in 5-10 freind’s to bail u out every time lol. 10+ time’s me and my guildee tryed to engage small group’s only to have 10 of u come rush us (naturally as soon as 1 of u was downed). But yeah i also have a guardian, i dunno what build u run but you were squishy as hell. Gf i suppose, because your the only head up fight i could get lol so u get my respect for that atleast.

So much QQ
Should’ve rolled BP.

MrFluffy.9307:

huge shout out to the [BB] guys, much thanks for popping PPK’s GvG cherry! glad you were our first

Good fights PPK!

Good fights last night ML.

I feel like we got off topic. We were discussing how bad SBI is.

Toxic.4320:

Walabone.6713:

Moriquendi.4209:

Walabone.6713:

Why is SBI so bad? Discuss.

Borlis Pass: 3 493
Yak’s Bend: 3 507
Stormbluff Isle: 4 745

Why is BP currently losing to a bad server? Discuss.

Person thinks that quoting PPT is an indicator of skill? Discuss.

If we stay Silver League? We might be bored but we’ll show up to fight there too and continue training. At least we will have the dignity not to troll the forums whilst being cowards on the battlefield.

Person who can’t see his opponents while hiding in 90 man zergs? Discuss.

Moriquendi.4209:

Walabone.6713:

Why is SBI so bad? Discuss.

Borlis Pass: 3 493
Yak’s Bend: 3 507
Stormbluff Isle: 4 745

Why is BP currently losing to a bad server? Discuss.

Person thinks that quoting PPT is an indicator of skill? Discuss.

Why is SBI so bad? Discuss.

Also mad props to Jinks – he really stepped it up.

Good fights last night VOID.

Jinks, I’m so far disappointed in this thread. Please step it up.

I have yet to see a single positive response to the proposed league system on these forums. Yet they still want to push through with it.

Sometimes you should listen to your customers and players. We’re not always wrong.

Mattargul.9235:

Walabone.6713:

(…) YET, you have proposed introducing a competitive league, which would imply some sort level playing field where everyone has a shot of participating and winning.

Obviously, a league does not imply a level playing field. Just look at your favorite sport’s league and compare first to last ranked. There will likely be MASSIVE imbalance between the teams/players. Typically it boils down to money in the professional leagues.

What is your point?

And I would disagree with you wholeheartedly. Every team plays 11v11 in football – each team matched equally in number. If one team is better coached and has more skilled athletes, so be it. That’s doesn’t make it an uneven playing field. That’s a classic case of “get better if you want to win”. I’d welcome the WvW league if this were only the case.

WvW population disparities right now are like playing 15v11. No matter how good those 11 are, they don’t have those extra 4 blockers – how are they going to be able to pick up a blitz? If you actually thought about what you were saying, you’d realize that every sport has an inherently level playing field so that skill is surely tested.

I’m on BP, and I can speak for my server in that we all feel like we’re getting screwed by this potential change.

DevonCarver.5370:

Walabone.6713:

I hope you take into consideration adding achievements that encourage zergs to disperse. Lets not have another WvExp situation.

Although, all in all, I’m not enthusiastic about this new system. I fail to understand the concept of “competition” that you hope to instill, when the playing field is inherently unbalanced. Numbers win everything. How is that a fair competition?

At no point did I, or would I have, said “Fair competition” WvW is not intended to be “fair”. There are servers with more people, there are servers with better organizations and that will always be the case. This competition will be about showing how your world can do over a defined period of time, against a variety of opponents. SPvP is the part of our game that aims for a completely level playing field. WvW would never be able to match that goal.

No, you haven’t ever said that, nor did I claim that you said that. And in fact, THAT’S THE POINT! WvW is not fair, as you have now admitted. On a server-by-server basis, WvW rewards population imbalance and off-hours coverage. YET, you have proposed introducing a competitive league, which would imply some sort level playing field where everyone has a shot of participating and winning. Thus this new league is a paradox.

My concern, and I think I can speak for a lot of players, is that the little guy is being left behind. Most of us greatly enjoy the servers we are currently on because we don’t enjoys Queue times and 100 man zergs – not to mention the community bonds we have formed. But you’ve essentially encouraged this behavior in your other posts by suggesting that if players want to win they should transfer – which smacks of a money grab, but that’s a different discussion. But what of those of us who don’t want to transfer? By all accounts it seems like we are getting left in the dust.

Now I understand there are probably a lot of things still left to be implemented and fleshed out as you approach the implementation date, but I urge you to consider ways for the lower ranked servers to still “win”. Not just as individuals on a server, but servers as a whole. Perhaps some sort of handicap? Something that gives us incentive to fight even if we’re matched against much bigger servers every week?

I greatly fear that this league will utterly gut many of the servers and rip apart communities. I’m not sure that’s the outcome you wish to accomplish. I look forward to hearing more about how my server can succeed in this league even though it doesn’t have the population or coverage to even begin to compete against the higher ranked servers.

I hope you take into consideration adding achievements that encourage zergs to disperse. Lets not have another WvExp situation.

Although, all in all, I’m not enthusiastic about this new system. I fail to understand the concept of “competition” that you hope to instill, when the playing field is inherently unbalanced. Numbers win everything. How is that a fair competition?

Pestilence.3184:

Wala!!!! dang man i thought ya ha died or been executed by the BP forum kitten’s….. ya wanna fight me?? dude i thought we were friends QQ

ill make it clear right now though BURN does not do GVG yet we are still building our gvg up.

All is fair in love and war! Gotta rep the server pride, tho. Lots of talk, just giving you a chance to back it up. Soul barely runs together anymore, you’d have as good as shot as any.

Maladon.5760:

Pestilence.3184:

also that coming from some one with a dungeon master title lol…

He went there!

But Bolevine… I have the Dungeon Master achievement too! And I can still kick your kitten in WvW I’d be willing to bet Zara could beat you as well.

I don’t know why nobody has done this yet with all this posturing on the fourms, but I’ll challenge BURN to a GvG. Why not?

Soul v BURN.

Either tomorrow (Tuesday) night, or Wednesday (I think Wed is better than Thursday for us at least).

Allie Murdock.8152:

Sounds like it’s… random.

Negative. There is clearly some sort of bias towards Temple in the map rotation.

And while you’re at it please remove Skyhammer from soloQ, from my pained memories, and from existence

Funniest topic title ever.

peter.9024:

Good luck everyone! We should have some FCs this week!

Woo! FC!

Toble.2968:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf6EOJIhvK0

Edit: Re-edit on vid make sure you go here.

I’m never in any videos

You’re that silly tanky Ele that I love to chase around! Hi! I’d like to say it’s just fun to poke you, but secretly I think I have a crush.