Guild Wars 2

Ok I get it now : WvW was poorly designed by ANet, VS poorly plays the game as it is expected to be played which is the Only reason why we dominate T1 atm because SFR is and has ever been the best WvW server anyway. Oops I forgot : and SFR will ever be the best server.

VZ players who are so dedicated to WvW especially out of prime time, who have created such a strong community spirit, who have so much fun by playing together, even on bad weeks, are just lemmings, poorly skilled players and PvD losers.

Even when we show you our multimap TS chan at night, showing you that you will generally find 20 active players at most during nights doing their best for VS, you reply to us that we are lying, and that we zerg at night with 70+ zombies. And you even keep repeating again and again that we lie.

Hopefully some new servers will pop on T1 soon, just to fights some more respectful opponents.

Sarevok.2638:

…Biggest lie/sarcasm of the thread.

You don’t even realize what’s going on ?
Am not surprised you don’t play the game anymore guys if you can’t even accept what’s going on in T1 atm.
I like challenge, I don’t mind getting wiped and fighting stronger opponents.
I don’t need to despite my opponents and to deny reality.

Yoke.4671:

…Id feel a little bit ashamed if I was a VS citizen right now to be honest. Its a shame Anet cant create a new tier just for VS, split it up into 3 thirds and they can fight each other in blobs. And let the rest of the servers have a somewhat fair fight most weeks…

Actually SFR and Deso blobs are quite often much bigger than ours.
We generally have several raids on each map at prime time and need to synchronize from time to time to gather our raids to wipe your blobs. Or we succeed to wipe your blobs with mono guild raids, yummy.

Wemil.7052:

… and vizunah i hope you liked vizunah borderland last night:) a evil corporation painted it blue for once:)

I heard this morning that considering the current score VS players didn’t play last night : did you enjoy your PvD session ? I am quite happy if SFR recovers and comes back to kick our kitten I prefer to lose a match against a strong opponent than to dominate outrageously the battlefields and have no challenge. WvW, by design, is not balanced fighting and will never be, anyway.

Wolfheart.1938:

It just occured to me that I’ve always abbreviated “Vizunah Square” with VZ, but in reality it should be VS as the second word starts with an S. So I figured I’d share this very interesting fact with you guys.

Yay, I was wondering too… Old habits

Sjaakie.1470:

…Xispeo.1706

Guess I got to believe you if you say there are others doing it too. I never saw it and do not see any valid reason to say: They do it, so we should do it too and I do not expect you to be able of changing things on your own. And why should you change, the server seems to like it, why change things that you like?

This may happen more on our side since we are not a guild-based server : if you want to satisfy pugs you need to reward their presence, especially with WXP. So a pug commander may be tempted to satisfy his bus by some easy PvD, at least to get his bus growing before starting some more serious fights. I don’t play much anymore with pugs, I got bored of that playstyle, I generally play with my guild and get my pleasure with epic fights, even when we wipe. Anyway WvW implies to deal with pugs, VZ wouldn’t be what it is now without a serious management of our own pugs. Don’t forget that most WvW players are initially pugs, as I was, and they progressively integrate guilds when they want a better gaming experience. You have of course a turn over in video games, so you constantly need to regenerate your play base, and so you constantly need to manage your pugs, I guess that many complains against VZ are a consequence of that pugs management (attempt : )

Sjaakie.1470:

Xispeo.1706

It wasn’t meant as complain, it was my personal point of view and a fact. 4 people defending and a whole blob of more than 70 turned around to go for an empty place. Comeon, even people from French can understand that it has nothing to do with competition anymore. No problem if you enjoy that way of playing but I (again personaly) hope never ever there will be a another server who is going to play like that. You can’t help it that there are only 4 opponents, you can however decide not to run and play a game instead of going for static door banging. And that is what happened, not once, not twice but most of the time and that is why I (once again personaly) call it anti-gaming, even a shame to the gamersworld. Being top server and playing like that is a disgrace.

Human being ever goes to the easiest way, this is true for every server. I understand what you mean, and don’t see what I can do about that. But you know I have already seen that behavior from other servers : to see bandwagons arriving on a fort and running straight somewhere else as soon as they see any sort of resistance.

Sjaakie.1470:

… they do not want to compete, they rather go for an empty place than fight for something. So that is why I hope noone ever steps up to become a server like Vizunah. It is anti-gaming they play, they rather fight doors than opponents.

First, I post my own personal opinion, not my server’s one, I am not a spokesman of my own server, I don’t talk for my guild (Bondurant anti-complains introduction, sorry).

Are you guys still complaining, again and again, against what you do as well ?

We also wipe you quite often on open fields when we are outnumbered, but your memory is quite selective guys.

I noticed yesterday that we currently see an activity peak from other servers during our diner time, in fact I see the same guilds on the same forts at the same hour everyday : when we are not there. I don’t blame them, the game is designed this way. And they play very well even, and they deserve to wipe us, even if they outnumber us when we are a pug bus, even if they have a very structured guild and there is no challenge really.

Don’t be sore losers, what you complain against is exactly what you did when we were not #1 anymore. Many of you just stopped playing or switched to another server, don’t complain that VZ players are attached to their own server and keep playing. And franckly if you guys drop down from T1 I don’t care, I will fight others servers.

SFR, to me, has only harvested what they spread : hate & rage, to me so many players just didn’t want to get involved anymore in that awful & shameful process.

I like the Deso spirit, their level can be very high, but they are sprinters not marathonians, and they have a much lower playerbase. I only regret to see that several guilds decided to leave that server.

edit : I guess when you will drop you guys will start to say that T1 is nothing, that T2 is the only true T1 match, and so on. Keep that way guys, makes me laugh.

This is holidays in France, and our schools holidays system implies a whole month of players on vacation. I am afraid that you have to wait 3 more weeks before VZ has a lower time coverage.
edit : Nachtz said it already :o

Cottage Pie.6215:

…The golem rushing zergs we bring against 10 of you when you’re [outmanned] for hours? Which has been the theme of all my posts?

You’ve totally, and perhaps intentionally, missed the point. Again. cripes.

I start to wonder if anyone understands you. I understand the other VZ players posts, so I guess I am still sane.

Kingface.9781:

…It’s called forum vacations. It was so smooth to see Deso and SFR hit each other in here for some weeks, leaving VS alone.

Our bad, we win the last match-up and VS’s infinite-looper haters raised up again… (who talked about dead already?)

Yes please Viz people, stop replying on this thread. The sun is shining too much outside to stay in my office!

I do agree King, nice post, why I can’t refrain from feeding the trolls, I guess this is friday going on..

Cottage Pie.6215:

…You just don’t like the fact I take screenshots do you because you can’t lie your way out of them….

lol, am gonna start to screenshot the zergs from both deso and sfr from time to time, to get you realize you are raving ^^

Sjaakie.1470:

…you are not winning if others decide not to play, you are getting a present. As soon as SFR or Deso sets up a run for an hour or two you get beaten with eas, which has been proven serveral times this week…

Even when you loose you win, and this is a present you offer to your opponents… Talking about pathetic words ? What you say is totally pathetic.

Yes Deso is strong during prime times, not everyday btw, and we regularly dominate you on primes, I don’t think you can consider you as better on primes.

See the difference between sprinters and low distance runners ? Most guys complaining about VZ should think about it : WvW is not a sprint, this is a permanent race.

I indeed expect GvG to get implemented in GW2, that should solve that sort of problem.

Mighty Ice Arrow.9268:

…There is a new race in the game! The undead!!!
You are playing that race, because you have been dead for weeks and now you return.
There is nothing to brag about your victory, but maybe there is something to brag about our loss, the future will tell.
You can have something by granted, me and many others, will resist, and let’s see how it ends.
The spirit is going strong. If you want to play, no matter the odds, you are not alone, join us and we will make the difference.

PS: VZ guild raids it’s a funny part off your post, there are others.

Eheh, I prefer from my side of the pond to see VZ as the last army against Mordor, defeating it after a long and hard time

Cottage Pie.6215:

…Afraid? Ooooh, I see you’re playing forums now, writing things which are completely untrue, yet which people from other servers just won’t realise how untrue they are

It’s viz who have been hiding. Behind each other, their innumerable rank and file, behind the points, their towers when Deso or SFR come knocking in any kind of force, and now you hide your singular ineptitude behind lying forum posts.

You simply have vastly better timezone coverage thanks to a quirk of holidays, opponent servers presently diminished forces and a bizarre call to arms causing your queues to be flooded daily. That is the totality of what you have. It is all you have and have ever had. It is all you can claim to have and not be found false.

Tell me, if you need to lie on the forum, of SFR and Deso fearing (ok the lag you cause is rather scary) and hiding from you, to feel some kind of victory, then clearly you feel no sense of pride in your point advantage, yes? Afterall, How could you

To be a Vizunah: No struggle, no fights [outmanned], no epic battles and defenses and a map chat full of congratulations on a victory wrought from hopeless odds – there have been plenty. Just Player Vs Door, blobbing, spammed crowd control and desperately hoping that was enough before you’re ripped to shreds.

gg.

Since a long time you guys constantly complain about the way VZ is playing, I give you my own point of as a player, I am or course not the voice of my server, as 99% of the other players posting in this thread.

Yes when I play I can see huge bandwagons from other servers while we play as separated guildraids and finish to get forced to join our raids to crash your bandwagons. And I can see Deso and SFR running away quite often if they don’t outnumber us. Keep in mind I play on one map, at some specific playtimes, and have no idea of what happens elsewhere. But what you complain about I can complain the same against you. This is still how this game is running : numbers, and this is a question of game design, are quite important, and as soon as one party is getting more numerous than the others yes it dominates the map.

After several weeks of hard time for VZ the situation is reversed, some Deso players call us zombies, and I lost the count of bad words on VZ. I prefered the Deso spirit before, but I can see that last evening you guys were back on your style on the maps and did pretty well, good to see you didn’t stop to fight. And if you guys don’t want to fight against us, some other servers will. “There is an old saying that we reap what we sow”, and I don’t think that haters gonna finish happy at the end of the day.

And once again the opinions I express here are my own personal opinions, I don’t talk for my server, I don’t talk for my guild, I don’t even indicate it in my signature, this is a public forum where everyone can express his own opinions in the respect of the forum rules (trying hard).

Cottage Pie.6215:

Vizunah at present are not worth fighting: their players give near to nothing WXP wise, drop weirdly few badges; their blob, replete with supply for massive seige use, will omnizerg everything when you only have 10 players doing anything; and as soon as you have vaguely equal numbers they crack and run. But you can count on it, they’ll be there come morning noon or night.

I kinda feel sorry for their Canadian? EU morning players – they have probably never actually played WvW and just think it’s a game where you kill these 10 enemy dudes with your 80 strong zerg.

At the moment when I play WvW either I don’t see any SFR or Deso or I see almost only huge bandwagons which zerg VZ guild raids… Nothing more…

Your motivation is down, you are afraid of us, you only get out as huge zergs, don’t get usrprised if we play splitted and cap your towers while you try to hide behind each other guys…

This is a side effect of waiting queues and lags : many VZ players decided to not play during primes, the reason why our coverage is efficient atm Actually many players don’t have much choice considering the size of our waiting queues during prime, if they want to play WvW.

vulneraria.4865:

…the problem is that VZ and desolation iron use the number to win, so if you are in queue is not a problem another like you is in the blob.
on SFR we use organized small guild with specific build, if half of that guild is in queue no one can fill that void, so for VZ the queue is an advantage, if you are in queue means that your blob is running around, if i’m in queue is a guardian less in my guild needed for our tactic, and we cannot train a pug in 2 mins for fill my role.

I understand what you mean, but don’t have the feeling that SFR doesn’t have any blob, I mean as an opponent I quite often have to fight against SFR bus which are often bigger than ours. We also have as guild raids problems to gather all our members and run together : this week on 9h of guildraid I could only play 2h, because of queues and crashes.

Witzard.6829:

Chicho Gosho.6507:

Leorcyn.1063:

Katiechops.6807:

Yeah shame on him for not knowing ANet were going to allow free transfers to No1 server in EU at the same time and giving WvW rewards and turn it to mince…

Yeah yeah, whatever makes you feel safe about yourself.
Other servers got no PUGs.

Queues jumped from 30-40 mins primetime to 3-4 hours. I’d say thats a pretty huge increase in pugs. Let’s see what they’ll do now when we’re losing.

Do you really think it’s different in other T1 servers ?
Can’t say for Deso, but on VZ we got pretty much 2hours+ queue from 18h00 to midnight. Everyday.
And it has been going this way for weeks.

On VZ it took me 1 month to succeed to discover & play WvW because of the waiting queue, I didn’t know WvW before and felt in love of this gameplay. Then I understood the need to connect early to get the chance to have a slot. At the beginning I even remember waiting during the whole evening and never being able to join EB even after 4h of waiting queue.

Much more balanced match this week anyway, SFR and Deso are both doing pretty well guys, but we are this week on fire !
I am very proud of my server indeed.
When hard times are here you have a much more precise idea of who you are playing with, who stay and keep a solid and consistent playtime..
And franckly I have no idea of the next match, may be SFR or Deso the winner, and I don’t think that one server is going to collapse, maybe SFR if they fail to deal with pugs or loose too many guilds.

All right, so if SFR is not winning this week’s match this is ANet fault…. oO

Franckly with the amount of crashes per evening the client has there is not much place for structured raids, and the zerg is the only way atm. Hoepfully ANet will succeed to produce a stable release of both server and client apps otherwise that game is gonna loose a huge amount of players very soon.

Now everyday I succeed after waiting for a long to join WvW and the game crashes again and again and again… GW2 is currently massively bugged, please do something. This is not even as stable as a beta.

SFR complaining about double focus, what else ?

omphin.1752:

Iron’s TS too has been cut off at times when we were defending/attacking SFR garrison. I remember thinking “wow we repelled them even without being able to speak to each other” so yes there has been problems with TS over on this side too this week

This is not like getting a TS server down, well happens, this is like every single server we use is attacked fastly and droped down. This is an organized, continuous and determinated attempt to try to stop us from getting coordinated.

Razz.2501:

I think the fact that SFR and Viz run from a fight unless they have overwhelming numbers pretty sad to be honest. It happened alot last night and the only time they seemed to engage was when they hit us from both sides……….and they talk about respect lol

Last evening on the SFR BL we were chasing as a guild raid a Deso bus which was just running away and they were a way more numerous than us. Better now to understand that it happens on every side of the pond. But at some point they finally stopped to run away and we started to wipe them, huge amount of bags indeed. And yes I am certain that every T1 server has troups who can say the same. So talking about respect, please understand that the guys you fight against are like you, not different. If you despite other players you just despite yourself from my point of view.

Bren.9320:

…Nope, Deso never had free transfers since paid were introduced.

you don’t have more players now ?
your coverage seems a way better than before

Mighty Ice Arrow.9268:

….OMG your predictions are so good!!! How do you do that?
ATM
SFR – 181k
VZ – 157k
Deso – 160K
Now Deso wants to get as much points as they can: Result. They are second atm.

Yup Deso has suddenly strongly improved its coverage : free transferts.

Zerg is killing WvW since a while anyway, even a good raid can’t compete against zergs with lambda players. We are reaching the limit I guess. Still enjoying my guild raid, but elsewhere WvW becomes bad.. Will all WvW players finish on one single server chasing pugs ?

LordByron.8369:

forgive my reasoning but if they want to stand more in T1 they have to focus on 2nd place not on 1st….

Or they could instead play like they Always did attacking whatever they like…

I don t get why they should focus on 1st place….they just help 2nd (your server ) at their own expenses….

Well SFR doesn’t mind now making points on Deso to stay #1, if Deso focuses on VZ they won’t have much points and will go down faster. From my point of view. Well anyway you may be right and am not. See yas this evening guys, preferently as you dead

Oeps Rolls Necro.2594:

I agree about its getting (a little ) balanced. Deso is still nr 3 in T1.
We are start working more together and its nice to see some results from it.

But Deso going to T2? I dont see that happen in a while tbh. Elona is ticking 495 point atm and still isnt close to us.

And deso is playing the SFR game? Lol ask the people in Sfr bl last evening.

Well being the 3rd sooner or later should get you to T2 mathematically.
Now maybe your server is gonna get stronger, time will tell.
Yes we can see now on our side of the pond that you start to fight more against SFR, which is not a bad idea if you want to stay in D1 I guess.

Zaowi.7098:

Were doing well on Deso tbh, the matchup is getting closer every week ! and i do like farming all the bandwagoners the past 2 days.

Yes the match is getting more & more balanced. SFR progressively going down, still strong atm, Deso progressively going up, VZ progressively recovering with some nice guilds entries. The best thing for T1 is that now the match is not done on tuesdays, which was to me the worst for WvW. And being a challenger is more exciting than getting double focused, SFR gonna face it as Deso will just go to T2 is they keep playing the SFR game.

Skill lag is still here, the patch didn’t correct it.

Grok.6714:

Vizunah morning party, happening just now in WvW.

http://i.imgur.com/yR1EOTu.jpg

I hope you will drop all NO U BLOB talk after seeing this, and it’s still morning

The overall match score is mainly due to the time coverage of each server blob anyway. Last evening on the Deso map I was blasted by the size of your bus. These are armies now. And we are many to want to crash down a 100 players bus with 20 guys

Amazing patch, can’t believe the size of the blobs we fight against, WvW is almost a new game to me : no more culling is changing the way we play deeply. I am curious to see if it will change the overall servers balance and matches, but I guess not since all gonna adapt around the same way.

but we can’t enter and there is no more queuing system

remove a feature because this is bugged : a way cheaper than to solve the problem…

no, this is up, they just removed the queuing system and they ask you to ask to your group to get out of the full map ^^

amazing : no more queues for wvw ! so no more bugs !!
i guess this is the beginning of the end of gw2

Great SFR match currently, this is quite healthy for WvW to have some strong opponents. Great fights as well almost everytime I log in, looks like we have a good balance between T1 servers. Gonna be a challenge to try to kick SFR from being #1, at least in the current context.

edit : and great point is that we don’t constantly see posts about supposed to be hacks.

Bondurant.1540:

Vizunah is losing anyway, time to move to SFR with the other French guilds, like Option.

Bondurant.1540:

…And do you understand irony ? Or are you assuming my chili post was a serious study about bowel pains and videogaming ? Also, please don’t assume I’m from SFR just because I have opinions about Vizunah players posting here : I’m from Vizunah as well, I just don’t like Vizunah people talking nonsense and do statements like they’re spokespersons just because they reached their post time limit on JeuxOnLine forums.

Please post as your personal opinion, do not pull the We Vizunah Now card each time you want to fuel your vengeful crusade. Please refrain from pretend we are talking here, we’re a server with hundreds of different players with different opinions, not your personal army. I’m from Vizunah and I don’t mind about my server being trashed around on these forums, it’s part of the game, comes with the kingdom. You’re a fool if you think videogames players are going to act like Renaissance gentlemen just because you said so. Life is harsh, yo.

All right, you in VZ or SFR now ?

Bondurant.1540:

Vizunah players complaining about nightcapping is like eating chili and complaining about diarrhea.

You missed the point : we do not complain about nightcapping but we are wondering why SFR flamed us so harshly during so long because of VZ nightcapping and now are nightcapping as well and are proud of it. Do you understand irony ? Or that progressive change of mind from SFR progressively doing exactly the same than VZ to stay #1 ?

Lol, now SFR is the #1 nightcapping server, after so many complains against nightcapping, epic.

Fanfaron.6109:

Junkpile.7439:

National servers should win every time easily because national server is like one big guild. If we would have national server we would tic +500 24/7 because we are mmorpg elite country.

+1000 this post
i think only Troma from vs actually understand this (maybe not)

Yesterday someone started to post about how more powerful a european server should be compared to national ones, but let’s consider that we have a limited amount of players per map, which reduces the impact of a european coverage.

I played during a long time in international guilds, even in a greek one, and came back to french guilds for a simple reason : information goes much faster if your native language, and also you suffer a way less from misunderstandings, and people who try to use english but relatively fail on that, don’t want to assume it, turn situations into their own advantage to not get kicked of their guild, well I saw many drawbacks in fact to international communities. You also face players who will swap much faster between guilds or even servers, because they are not very involved and don’t feel that much concerned and integrated by their server.

Bondurant.1540:

Ladies and gentlemen of Europe’s Tier 1, are you prepared for next Tuesday ?

My macbook pro may explode soon…

Absconditus.6804:

Ok, so this is probably going to sound insulting, but it is sadly for the majority of the time true. Why do pretty much every single one of you Vizunah players, run away all the time? Unless you get the upper hand, as in outnumbering someone that is.

E.g., just now, an Asura D/D Elementalist, ran away from my Warrior. I mean seriously? A D/D-Ele that runs from a Warrior? But as soon as he/she got help from a Mesmer ally, then he/she starts to fight.

Grow some, Vizunah, because this is exactly why most servers have hated “fighting” against you. It’s been the same if we meet your players as larger numbers or as small, you never fight, unless you outnumber. For a while it seemed like you actually went out and fought in the field, but lately you’ve been retreating away again. Making the only good fights to be had from Desolation players.

It doesn’t apply to every single one of your players, but sure does for the majority.

We can also see you running away quite often you know.
Fact is WvW is not sPvP, on my own I don’t like much 1 player versus 1 player and generally I move away.
Maybe some day I will start to solote you guys with dual daggers but atm I am rather looking for battles having an impact on the score, 1vs1 fights don’t have any.

Hebril Amolebin : the guy who fights with 10 guys and wipes everyone else 60+ bandwagoners with one hand, any day like. And he has the videos !!! Proofs so it happened !!!!!! I guess he already reached the gold limit on his account, forced to roll alts to keep the gold flying to him :o

What’s this afternoon capping SFR is currently providing ?
We are working and/or sleeping during that time :o

Reduktion.5791:

Xispeo.1706:

SFR is much about quantity, Deso is much about quality.

Actually not. As you can see if we battle in equal numbers i have only seen us wiping against piken in such cases – sometimes.

Depends with who you raid anyway.
But globally I know when Deso is up and full that we gonna have a harder time than against your full server.

Cipaku.9675:

ArborSeaSquare dont have hordes of canadian players cappinf night and day for them. All they have is 1 (ONE) guy: Troma’s cousin: http://georges-st-pierre.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Gsp-Titlle-pic.png kitten visunah!:) Dem gates have no chance:)

You forgot Chuck Norris :o

Kingface.9781:

Looking back on last evening primetime, Deso is much more hard to fight then SFR, even with the mighty RG and the skillful Option. It’s true, banana.

SFR is much about quantity, Deso is much about quality.
Sure you will find quality on SFR and at some points quantity on Deso, no offense…