Guild Wars 2

Reduktion.5791:

Xispeo.1706 you´re a brave and a wise man it seems to me – but i have to say: your good times are over (for now), even if you have some interesting points of view when evenings ends in big disasters for your team (SFR BL two days ago, EB yesterday as i see it as a scout).
But in the other hand perhaps you are the most realistic vizunah forum columnist. For my part, I m glad to see that united forces of many european nations are outpointing national servers. The opposite way would be deplorable. Maybe you will be a part of this phalanx.

Or not, don’t forget that we invented the baguette AND the bloodish revolution

Nachtz.4930:

The biggest reproach I see against VS is that they dislike open field fights and prefer playing defensive when they are outnumbered, plus they focus on points instead of kills.

So basically, VS is getting flamed because they understood the point of WvW… Kinda funny.

This is also due to the amount of pugs we have, open battlefields are guildish style, not glued randomed players one.

Reduktion.5791:

Lots of angry people who have decided to transfer on the wrong server maybe a while ago (weeks/days)

+1, your server seems to have attracted berserkers…
I just hope they won’t migrate some day to VZ, but considering the flames on VZ since a couple of weeks I guess we are safe from that so far

This is indeed a nice match
Before we knew on tuesdays the results of the week, now we have not even reached the climax !!

Yup Iron is not involved in, am not surprised this is between SFR and some few Deso guilds, was guessing that already

Eheh SFR would be a berserker server ?

Just SFR who wants deso to take their keeps while they focus on us since the only reason of playing for SFR is to kick us out of T1

Shay.7534:

…Between SFR and VS there is another level of animosity and in my opinion both sides have contributed to this general tension with equal guilt. SFR calling names on VS and criticizing their tactics, VS calling SFR the worst server they ever fought and that it should never be put alongside Blacktide, Deso, FSP and other T1 contenders. It will probably never go away either and both servers hold equal blame…

I never noticed any specific animosity against SFR from VZ, just a serious opponent to keep an eye on. Since a couple of weeks I read the SFR flood of insults against VZ, and we do not appreciate that.

GG SFR for today.

LordByron.8369:

actually from a www casual player, its more than you cannot see the difference between bad sportmanship exploiting rules and “playing the game like its meant”.

The game is not meant to be played when other doesn t play……
There is a rule for the sake of people who can PLAY at night or in the morning to have fun in what is defined “casual mass pvp”.

Winning at all costs in a casual game is sad for everyone who tries to do that…..despite i can more justify it as an answer rather than a long estabilished strategy.

P.S. on the opposing side 2VS1 is actually MEANT to happen…..and the Whole reason to have WvWvW….even if this doesn t happen…

(got pinched so many times by deso and viz……but i doubt they planned it)

Dual focus, and we said it often, is quite normal, 3 servers on one map and for sure it will happen sooner or later. What I don’t get is why it is denied so much.

WvW is a competition, T1 is the highest level, if you don’t accept that some players are involved enough to play at night, and they deserve our respect, I suggest you to play in lower divisions. I mean the game is designed for that.

This is extremely simple for ANet to get a perfect balance between servers population : never let players of one server outnumber other ones. But this is not WvW in that case, this is instanciated guilds/groups fights. Don’t blame the way WvW is designed, move to another game if you don’t like GW2 implementation.

Kingface.9781:

Xispeo.1706:

Kingface.9781:

Poor Desolation ticking +50…

It’s stranger no spokemen from SFR came to throw a “you see? we also focus Desolation, there is no arrangement!” I assume it would be too big, they don’t dare even if they will do anything when their #1 is threatened.

Not caring about score huh?

Well we all know that Deso has less players, their offer us some good fights and are learning currently that they may not stay a T1 server for a long. As least they don’t complain, don’t whine and are not looking for excuses. The VZ machine is ON this week, let the feast keep going.

Yes of course, I don’t blame Desolation for anything.

I just see the non-official arrangement to get VS down to T2 is quickly putted down in the garbage to the detriment of Desolation when the mighty T1-maker SFR is threatened.

“GG mentalité”

Deso plays opportunities, SFR used them much to try to kick us of T1, Deso considered that situation a good way to stay T1, we survived to dual focus and may even finish first this week. We just adapt to them.

Kingface.9781:

Poor Desolation ticking +50…

It’s stranger no spokemen from SFR came to throw a “you see? we also focus Desolation, there is no arrangement!” I assume it would be too big, they don’t dare even if they will do anything when their #1 is threatened.

Not caring about score huh?

Well we all know that Deso has less players, their offer us some good fights and are learning currently that they may not stay a T1 server for a long. As least they don’t complain, don’t whine and are not looking for excuses. The VZ machine is ON this week, let the feast keep going.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

…Do you play in EB? Because vizunah EB retreats more then any other server I met. Admittedly it depends. Sometimes we met ‘courageous’ zerg, that fights us without fear. But then when those commanders seems gone, it’s the usual vizunah EB spirit (dunno about borderlands), that pops in = hiding in towers. Lately you came out of your doors a bit more, but only with perfect organization. (super siege, 60+ man, almost certain succes), to then hop into the towers again, after the mission succeed. While it is your right to do, statistically speaking, vizunah is still the most ‘tower hiding’ server (on EB).

We can say exactly the same thing about your server, last evening I spent most of my time by chasing you guys on the SFR map, I am even considering tweaking my gears with some sup runes of speed. So what ? Maybe consider that a group of guys prefering to retreat inside their defenses to avoid wiping is a normal behavior that you will see on every server. Some raids don’t anyway, and they are on SFR, VZ and Deso and most probably on most other servers, and they wipe much bigger bus and being outnumbered is not a problem for them (us, since I am pleased to contribute to these bag orgies).

Domo.7618:

…The Vizunah server appears to me as they only care about points and not fair fights…The ranked-list shows only wich server got the most players 24/7, but not wich server got the best tactics, guilds, fighters etc… Ther is already a Achivment wich shows how many kills everyone done….

The current best SFR players are most probably the ones from nomad guilds. And I hardly think you would win with kills/tactics specific counters. You still think that players are that different between servers… oO This is not true. Some few servers are concentrating WvW players who want to compete. Nothing else, nothing more. Still trying to put as much hatred as possible on VZ is just mean.

REAL.7483:

…You do what has to be done, specially in offtimes, and that is increase your PPT as much as possible. You got good organization for that and that is why you tick 400 and we 150, ORGANIZATION. Coming here to cry about that seems kinda lame, you don´t even have much more people, just manage them efficiently. Keep doing that, maybe someday we adapt instead of crying. GZ for organization.

Thank you.
You wanted us at our best, we are in a best-effort mode definitely for the current WvW match.
Some few fails here or there, noone’s perfect

Domo.7618:

Battlelog:

- Vizunah send about 5 players on the SFR borderland and let them cap SFR-supply camps.
- Right after they tap it, they started to build a golem in the camp and port it to ther spawn
-about 30min later when they had about 10 golems ready at spawn, they called so many people as possible to the SFR map and started to rush a T3 bay with 10 golems and about 30+ players (couldt count all because of the lag)
- the SFR bay gates melt down like butter, also because we didnt had that large of numbers to defend at this time.
- After they tap the bay, they ported the Golems back and took Hills quick after (well hills was only a T1 keep)

Ive seen this (so called)“tactic” o_O not the first time by Vizunah, and its one of the main ressons why I disrespekt Vizunah. They always go the way with the least resistance and talking about “fair fights”…

This is what SFR does as well, bus swaping between maps to go where nobody is.
I see this all the time when there is no waiting queue.
In fact we adapt to your playstyle, which is very much based on that.
And that bus chasing between maps is so common that I wonder why the hell you complain about it.
You hate others doing what you do on your own ?

Axle.5182:

Xispeo.1706:

Guys try to fight properly and stop your golem hijacking by spies, we report them but ANet doesn’t ban them.

That’s because although it’s annoying for 1 you need proof and secondly you need to convince Anet it’s an exploit which to be honest many have tried and failed as it is perfectly within the rules to switch server and to use whatever resources that server has available Anet will not punish people for doing this, it is up to communities to find away around it ie build golems etc as a guild group and away from pugs and randoms.

I know that Deso is an opportunist server but wouldn’t have imagined such a lack of fairplay.

Guys try to fight properly and stop your golem hijacking by spies, we report them but ANet doesn’t ban them.

That would be a great time for a pint

Hrist.8972:

…Please act more as if Vizunah forum citizens never bring anything bad to the table. The worst we need is people only recognising the fault of others.

I don’t get you, please develop ?

I just hope that my server will be able to fight properly for the incoming match.
Yes we are quite unhappy to see nasty players not respecting their opponents at the first place.
I wouldn’t mind a nice server with good men and women respecting others powning WvW and even kicking us of T1.
But currently what happens is quite bad for GW2.
Ever the same problem with mainstream online games anyway..

If Deso are improving as well their trolling skills to compete with the SFR ones that forum is going to become impossible to read without getting disgusted for sure. Oh soz this is already a truth…

I am pretty sure that the SFR trolls around here don’t represent at all the overall SFR community. Guys you try to humiliate players who powned WvW for months, much have left because they were just bored, tired or needed to restore their real life. Anyway, we never trolled so miserably and stupidly our opponents.

I still think that stealth doesnt’ bring that much to the game, noticely in WvW, this is still the same : a rogue hides and backstabs you, you escape or not anyway he dies most of the time 30sec after so both loose some coins on repair and that’s it.

Yup gratz to SFR, with less taunt and trolls that would be great.

ladyfabulous.1403:

That would require some skills else than blobbing from you.
That’s why your plan failed.

Blobbing is from RG, not from SFR.

Please stop quoting Hebril Amolebin as it forces me to read partially his trollings ^^

There is one good thing in this thread : humour starts to strike.
I am quite curious of that strange guild turnover especially on SFR, looks like every week servers are quite different. I don’t deny the pleasure of variety tho.
Great fights against RG last night on the VZ map btw, that guild raid is excellent.

salluks.6017:

…When will people ever understand, Deso neither plays the mind game like SFR nor the Points game like VS.

Deso has always been a single timezone server, and any server like SFR can easily beat Deso.

Dont expect us to wake up in the morning just to “win” , we dont care whether we win or lose, but we will not lose sleep over it like others.

Keep that way so !

If you are in T1 by only playing for the fun of it and don’t care about results then you are a great server !

Tygra.4570:

…Good luck, but don’t hate on us when you will fail.

Nevermind if they like us or not, at least we know we don’t like them.

Caliban.3176:

Xispeo.1706:

I don’t care if other servers don’t like my own one and want to change how T1 matches are going on. At some point, in the scenario that VZ goes down to T2 which will sooner or later happen most probably, the next leading server will start to play as we are and will also get focused and hated : because this is human nature to behave that way. I would just expect some more intelligence from a player base, but this is a mainstream game and we all (don’t consider the dumbs of our community) know what sort of bad guys this drags.

I think this a good place to conclude this. You are right, you should not care. I hope that you are wrong and SFR will not change too much (though I fear it might).

I hope to see you in game and hopefully one of us drops good loot for the other.

The hardest is not to be the first, this is to stay n°1

I don’t care if other servers don’t like my own one and want to change how T1 matches are going on. At some point, in the scenario that VZ goes down to T2 which will sooner or later happen most probably, the next leading server will start to play as we are and will also get focused and hated : because this is human nature to behave that way. I would just expect some more intelligence from a player base, but this is a mainstream game and we all (don’t consider the dumbs of our community) know what sort of bad guys this drags.

Gratz Muan, this one is a good laugh

Caliban.3176:

… -I do blame Vizunah for me not enjoying the game more. However I do not think it is within my right to tell you to stop what you are doing because of that. If you truly have the most fun you can while playing the game like this, by all means go ahead and continue. I couldn’t enjoy it like that however. The perfect solution to me it seems would be that you get that kind of fun in another tier while T1 can become a tier where the servers that enjoy the same kind of metagame have the most fun. A T1 matchup with 3 servers that enjoy fighting eachother and for whom the pointsgame comes a close second to the actual fighting and not the other way around….

Ok short version :

- we don’t care At All if you don’t like us, we are ennemies not friends,

- we don’t care At All if you are not able on your own to have fun with GW2 : go play another game if you dislike GW2 rules or go to lower matches where they avoid many aspects of the game to get concentrated on some specific gameplay.

Caliban.3176:

…I will attempt to explain why I dislike fighting against Vizunah….they run to the nearest keep our tower. …How does nightcapping fit into this? That’s easy, it just perpetuates the style of not fighting actual enemies and it makes it a lot easier for people to run to towers that are now upgraded and just more difficult to force players out of.Why stay in T1 then? Fighting people and having intense battles can also be very competitive….People asked for the reasons their opponents had for not wanting to play against them and I have given those. I hope I did not offend anyone with this post, that was not my intention.

Thank you for your message.
From my own point of view :

- players of other servers escaping to their own towers to avoid fighting is common, I see that behavior from any server I fighted against, and I see that everytime I play, especially on guild raids btw, and that includes SFR and Deso,

- this is war and you are not supposed to love your opponents you know ? this is true that the strongest server in a match has often the ability to choose which server will go down, we do this as well, there is no problem with that since the game is shaped for that,

- I fight in intense battles everytime I play WvW, we do provide that sort of “entertainment”, choose the right map if you are looking for that, but the main map is not the best one for that because towers are very close to each other, the main map is more about playing cat & mouse,

- being in T1 is being involved in a competition, if you want to not play for points but for guild fights, because this is what you are expecting with your open battlefields then you should consider swaping to another guild or know the ones which will provide what you expect : this is what I have done recently, I changed of guild to get involved in these specific & intense fights on a regular basis, and when I have the time to give a hand on points harvesting then I go with pugs.

Don’t blame VZ to not provide you what you expect, we indeed offer with much pleasure that sort of fights and we expect them, but rather you should wonder where and who.

DarkieDuck.9521:

Xispeo.1706:

And when you play at night and repaint the maps you are just proud of it and brag about it.

Shame on you.

This part made me laugh
Well done

You complain cuz your opponents play at night and you brag when you play at night, this is ridiculous.

What else ?

The size of a bus depends on the amount of guild raids on on the map, if you have none then you generally have a single bus. VZ is a pug server mainly, this has drawbacks but also is better for overall coverage. Also pugs generally tend to panic in front of structured guild raids and yes pug zergs tend to hide in towers when they don’t outnumber guild raids. This is a normal global intelligence behavior. And the main reason of all those haters on VZ, because VZ is a pug server with commanders mainly trained to command pugs, which is not easy and also often generates frustration from commanders, since they mostly try to organise the mess and try to direct random players.

LordByron.8369:

Zepolak.2095:

And massive zerging come from that server as well, bringing nasty game in T1, .

….i m a casual www player…

I Always know when viz are around just due to the amount of lag.
And we all know that lag is done by huge zergs…….its like a radar….if i cannot heal i know viz are around.

Never happens against deso :|

I play mostly on sfr borderlands btw due to the smaller queues….dunno on other areas.

This is exactly how we detect zergs here as well : when we can’t cast spells anymore. This is valuable for all maps, and against all servers.

omphin.1752:

….True, there will be elona reach and Jade sea to contend with for new guilds. As an EU server against national servers, i kinda fancy our chances to be the server getting more reinforcements but true, time will tell.

Truth be told I dont believe SFR will dominate Viz for long, i give it 4 maybe 5 weeks before some of the guilds experience burnout and you see viz creeping back up to top

Still you have the unpredictable behavior of guilds like RG, we don’t know how long they gonna stay on SFR, but when they drop SFR goes down to T2 straight. Servers are still not stable. And some servers like Jade are getting stronger. The good point for Deso is your motivation, you fight for your life like

omphin.1752:

…Deso will reap the benefits in many ways not just short term. And you really think we are not strong enough to be in T1? why do you think we keep arriving back here and staying. Deso has a strong backbone and only needs a little more enforcing to be able to win a match in T1. In fact it is a more secure server than SFR which still has to prove it can outlast Vizunah resolve

You are not the only server which switches frequently between T1 and T2.
Time will tell anyway

omphin.1752:

…This situation where SFR has blind hatred for VS only helps the Deso community in the long run. If SFR manage to slay the giant Vizunah(keeping it in t2) its helps the Deso Community. If Vizunah rally after weeks of being trampled by SFR and again rise to the top, then SFR will likely get burnout and become the next blacktide.
Meanwhile Desolation rides on the back of the eagle. We win either way

Won’t be that easy to kick us of T1 for sure, as this is sure that SFR is a bipolar server which will sooner or later loose the non static guilds which make them strong currently. Yes you are right Deso is the winner in that current scheme, on the short term because elsewhere they would not be in T1, very motivated server but not strong enough for T1.

Hebril Amolebin.9817:

… But yeah you dont have people we are the big bad guys…

SFR or Deso are not the bad guys at all. Every server has its own low profile human beings.

This is a clear double focus, I don’t even understand how you can say the opposite.
And that double focus is not so surprising, this is quite normal in fact.

2v1, guys you are still bragging here ?

Hebril Amolebin.9817:

So guys you made me read 5 pages of nothing only bulkitten.
Sacxr is right. VS are plainly bad and we just like to wipe them here and there. They are not a challenge if the numbers are not 1vs 5 in their favour. And yes they have one good quality,they always come.
To be honest desolation are fun but IRON.. their idea of play is we drop 70 people get the map in queue and blob it is not fun but works for them even number we win vs them. Honestly piken with hob Rg Sin on the server were way more fun and competative to fight.
And I like Vz claims we rest ect… ok it is the second week you know we are here and it is monday we lead you with 40k honestly we have people who dont play now just chilling waiting for some fighting to start before log in. Because yeah we all know VZ use only siege and hide no open field fun.
So yeah we are here to stay and our goal is clear but to be done we need some help from other servers it does not mean aliance we just need them to be determined to fight for 1 or 2 place in eu rankings! If they do it VZ is done.
And honestly I cant wait for JS and VZ in t1 they will double team all the time will be so much fun and loot

Waw it was a long time since I didn’t read such a bad post.
You at least deserve no respect at all.

First they should fix clipping, so we could see incoming zergs.
To me that would solve the issue.

To me thieves in WvW are globally useless, they just hide and wait to try to kill isolated players. 90% of the time I got killed by a thieft he got killed 10s after by some other players. Thieves are just annoying.

Darkman.1257:

In that matter we have more experience than Vizu because we’ve already dropped tiers, lost people, we fought and overcame our problems. We’re back to kick you out of T1. Would suck to see you giving up cause I want you to go down fighting.

I expect epic fights. Waiting for Troma’s Vizunah spirit call to arms. I want to kill all of you in your prime time and best coverage.

If you have already stabilized your community yes you are stronger than us. Why do you want that much to kick us from T1 ? Another absolute and total hate & rage against VZ ? Not good for your karma dude :o

As I said, if I were SFR I wouldn’t expect to not get dual focus anytime soon. Winning in WvW is an exciting time, many players are very motivated when you win. When you loose a lot of players simply drop from WvW. This is what happens on VZ atm. This is what will happen on SFR some day. One thing is sure about VZ : many players prefer now PvE, this is obvious. I am curious of WvW on the long term since ANet is redirecting players to PvE to avoid the WvW queues by giving the best stuff only out of WvW. But this is good to see other servers highly motivated by WvW still. We won’t give up that easily anyway, will it be enough for T1 ?

Not a bad thing to see some other servers raising, our domination started to be too important and many VZ players stopped WvW. Getting so many players involved and dedicated including during nights is not a long time effort, other T1 servers will realize it soon. Anyway, this is a good occasion for us to improve the server. If I were SFR I wouldn’t expect to succeed to keep VZ dual-focused on the long term, you will be the target soon.