Guild Wars 2

Fast Asleep.8475:

I roamed for hours today on ms borders and havent seen any BNF. Would be a blast though if they would be on millers now. You can have awesome fights with them!

Really like this match too! Just like i imagined league to be. No servers 10 ranks above or below you

I swear when I was fighting last night I saw a [BNF] on MS border. I didn’t think my eyes were that bad. They are always awesome fights.

Did my eyes deceive me or did I see [BNF] on Miller’s Sound?

Just noticed, but tooltips accurately reflect PU traited stealth in blue.

Haven’t had a chance yet to try it, money going towards server transfer

Have to remember, this was only a highlight of the changes, so not completely inclusive, nor any nerfs.

Chrhal.4983:

This is the build I run, when we run organized WvW.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgEQNAW7dlw1CrHVzqGa9IxJFMv5oecdrXdSKKNqB-jUCBoOCy0CwkDA0HQZSFRjtsuIasaGYKWER1eEFRrWIgFrBA-w

Veil is a must, Nullfield is a must for boon stripping and tagging, Feedback is godlike vs. ranged pew-pew’ers and for tagging and Time Warp is also a must. Also to those who don’t know. You can use Feedback without a target. It will spawn about 900 range straight ahead of you, it’s mostly easier than picking a target.

For survivability try not to get focused and have Chaos armor up most of the times with Phase Retreat in Glamour fields. If you find you have problems with surviving you can pick Blink or Decoy instead of Feedback.

That’s pretty much the original style (now gutted) glam build, except dire armor/trinkets and the crutch of perplexity runes.

I have Bolt because clones with the sound effects are amazing. That said, it doesn’t have Giver’s stats so I don’t even get to use it as I’m currently setup QQ

Dawdler.8521:

Deathcon.5903:

I agree with you Zen I think it would be an awesome build to use in a 5 man roaming squad. The aoe blinds and reflects would just be devastating to most groups.

Unfortunetly in a 5 man havoc squad you need some serious spike damage – something a damage oriented Mesmer excel at. Blinds are reflects are not that effective against small groups – they just run out of the circles and avoid the reflect (unless they are idiots, hey it happen).

So choosing a bunkerish glamour build would essentially take a natural killer and turn him into a fluffy butterfly.

Its a great zerg build though.

I was thinking more a 10 man squad as opposed to 5. Sadly looks like the money to play around with it is going to be spent transferring due to server WvW death. So might be a little bit before I play with it there.

Hmm. I kind of want to tweak this for small group WvW play just for something different. I’ll let you know how it goes (though have to save up gold first for possible server transfer )

Feel very proud of yourselves [Drgr]; you do great outnumbering your opposition.

From what I’ve noticed, someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but the torment applies only when you are in range of being able to spawn the clone that also gets spawned when you block an attack with the scepter. If the clone fails to process for whatever reason (blind a typical culprit), the torment seems not to process either. Whether this is intended or not, I don’t know, but that’s what I’ve noticed from using it.

Greets to [FURY] Bronze Invader near SM about 2 mins ago. Great duel.

I’m Zen (char name Zen Duplicity). WvW is pretty much all I do now. I solo roam, duo roam, small group roam, occasionally zerg, occasionally a commander (Yes, I’m the Zen from the first Kylia Commander podcast special) for a low silver league EU server. I test out all sorts of different builds for whatever I’m doing in WvW and change to purpose (11 armor/wep sets and counting).

Iavra.8510:

That FSP blob on their bl just now managed to crash my game…how can playing like this be any fun?

Also, it seems kinda weird for a guild named [TPK] The Player Killers to run away from a 1v1 before even receiving a single point of damage

/edit @Zen: Yeah, that’s me ^^ I might have even fought you but i was kinda scared to face a fully buffed condi-mesmer (with or without perplexity?) with only my trusty torch ^^

With perplexity. Going to try something new/sneaky though once I have the funds to see how it works ^^

Iavra.8510:

Zen.4678:

Iavra.8510:

Zen.4678:

[BNF] mesmer on FSP border near orchard about 10 mins ago, nice fight. Hope to meet you again.

Could be me, i remember some fights there, are you a necro or thief by any chance?

/edit: My char is basically quite dark (if you have enemy colors enabled) using gs + sword/torch.

No, I’m a mesmer as well. Was fighting my clone build, except GS v staff, and Mantra of Resolve v Arcane Thievery.

Hmm…if it was me, i’m unable to remember Nubu wasn’t there at the time so it would have to be either Lilith (human) or me (asura).

Found you!

Xerion.8014:

Sorry but those guys at UW’s keep at EB are really the worst players i’ve seen lol. Ganking on 1 guy with 2 players, then 4, then 10. And when you guys had 10 you finally could kill me.

And you guys even got guts to laugh. Wow you really did something that is pretty awesome. Killing 1 guy with 10 guys. Congratz on being a complete moron.

Happens both all ways a lot sadly and I’ve seen [Kale] do the same. You should be proud when it takes that many to kill you, at least that’s what I’m always told.

Nubu.6148:

Hehe . Hope u will find us.

Can’t wait. Hopping into borders now

Iavra.8510:

Zen.4678:

Iavra.8510:

Zen.4678:

[BNF] mesmer on FSP border near orchard about 10 mins ago, nice fight. Hope to meet you again.

Could be me, i remember some fights there, are you a necro or thief by any chance?

/edit: My char is basically quite dark (if you have enemy colors enabled) using gs + sword/torch.

No, I’m a mesmer as well. Was fighting my clone build, except GS v staff, and Mantra of Resolve v Arcane Thievery.

Hmm…if it was me, i’m unable to remember Nubu wasn’t there at the time so it would have to be either Lilith (human) or me (asura).

If I recall, it was a human, so might have been Lilith then. Still a good fight and hope to meet more of you. Been roaming borders more (mainly an EB roamer) as I’ve heard nothing but good things about [BNF] and wanted to see the skill first hand and I have. My fave example was watching 1 [BNF] warrior fight 4 outside of SM a few days ago. One was dead and downed at least two others before overwhelmed by 7 or 8. Suitably impressed and hoping to find more of you today

Iavra.8510:

Zen.4678:

[BNF] mesmer on FSP border near orchard about 10 mins ago, nice fight. Hope to meet you again.

Could be me, i remember some fights there, are you a necro or thief by any chance?

/edit: My char is basically quite dark (if you have enemy colors enabled) using gs + sword/torch.

No, I’m a mesmer as well. Was fighting my clone build, except GS v staff, and Mantra of Resolve v Arcane Thievery.

[BNF] mesmer on FSP border near orchard about 10 mins ago, nice fight. Hope to meet you again.

You would probably be better off with Imbued Diversion or Illusionary Persona in illusions grandmaster trait. Blinding Befuddlement was just obliterated by Anet, so combining it with Dazzling Glamours just isn’t strong anymore. Probably would want to replace Dazzling Glamours with Illusionary Invigoration as well.

The biggest reason you see the damage discrepancy is you are level 58 whereas the video you saw a fully geared level 80 mesmer, with food/oil, sigils, full trait line (very important because of Illusionary Persona) and armor (Knights w/ Centaur runes).

If you want some helpful tutorial videos, check Osicat’s stickied thread. He has a ton of tutorial videos: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Guide-WvWvW-Pve-Shatter-Cat-Updated-16-8

There are a ton of resources throughout this forum as well. There was a Mesmer guidebook idea floating around, but don’t know where that got to. You can also join the Official Mesmer Forum Guild [OMFG] and there’s a lot of the helpful forum people in there as well who can provide ideas/tips/tricks as well. Might even be able to find some of us in WvW (though last I looked, approximately 75% were NA, so might be a bit hard pressed on EU side).

Hope that’s a decent starting point for you. I’m sure some of the others will chime in with more direct answers as well.

Few things I see:

Lack of self condition removal. Most condition builds get away with traited torch, but will often carry other condition removal as well. I’m not sure that the Intelligence sigil + Purity would cleanse enough conditions. That also takes away from using things like sigil of Battle for stacking might to further increase your damage.

All Dire. I’m torn with Dire personally. Since there’s no Sharper Images in this build, I can see it working, but I have nearly the same health with just using all ascended Dire/Rabid trinkets and Giver’s weapons. (Side note: Ascended Giver’s weapons Anet, now, not at Christmas)

Change to GS is actually really nice. Haven’t done much testing with it yet, but have seen the benefits immediately. Will test it out some more in the next few days.

Small group roaming WvW doesn’t need either of them. I have successfully used a mantra healing build in a 10-15 group roaming session which has neither of these traits.

Build: http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/mesmer/?4.0|b.1h.h5.d.1h.h5|6.1h.h9|1b.71i.1b.71i.1b.71i.1b.71i.1b.71i.1b.71i|2x.0.2x.0.3x.0.2x.0.3x.0.2w.0|k58.0.k5a.u28a.0|30.d|32.38.3i.39.3q|e
Credit: Pyroatheist

Did send a message to Pyro before seeing this thread due to the other one being bumped higher >_>

IGN: Zen Duplicity
Role: Tester
Server: Underworld (EU)

I play most days/evenings/nights GMT, though I work evenings a few days a week so will be on after 10:30 GMT those days (usually weekend). Primarily WvW player, though dabble in new events/dungeons/fractals/etc. for achievement points and quick cash, and do a bit of tPvP with a sister guild.

Just have to chime in on this thread as I had the opportunity and pleasure to duel both of them last week in our matchup. Both of them are very dangerous 1 on 1, Osi is uncannily slippery and if you aren’t careful (which I apparently wasn’t) you’ll be downed before you know it. Idlescholar is the same way. He is the toughest thief I’ve had the pleasure of facing and not a spam button win thief. I haven’t seen them together except the video and our GvG, but after facing them each solo, I can only imagine what havoc they make duo.

Might want to have a look for Kylia’s lockdown build. 11ish seconds of continued stun.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Builds-Kylia-s-Builds-Compilation/first

Might want to change offhand torch sigil, or mainhand sword sigil. Two on-crit sigils share cd. Trinkets I assume are for buffing damage in the support setup? Not sold on the full water rune setup either. Altruism might be a better choice.

I am all for a more skill oriented meta with mesmers and am currently working with the new Perplexity runes to find a good place to use them with the interrupts. My concern is with the high concentration of stability in small group fights (10-20, usually guild groups), our role doing this is quite limited. Just this morning, was fighting a group of about 10 that had a very, very high uptime on their stability. Trying to focus pull (especially with the nerf) or anything similar was moot as that stability was up almost immediately after it went down. So I’m not sure pushing us towards this is a good idea given the state of WvW with group composition.

Depends what build I’m running. If I’m running a tankier spec, a really good thief or warrior. Have fun running a synergy spec with another mesmer in my guild. We both run the 10/30/0/0/30 zerk spec to duo roam, but he uses runes of the Eagle (I have divinity) to deal more damage to the ones I initially burst.

Then again, I have 10 armor sets to choose from, so depends what I want to do.

Silas Drake.8946:

More important question, how many sets have you had to trash or slavage just tl make room for more?

Moment of silence for all lost gear /cry

None as of yet, only replaced runes in one set.

9 sets and counting… 10th & 11th on their way.

[edit]figured I should list them:

1x soldier w/ melandru
1x sentinel (unruned, most likely melandru)
1x full zerk w/ divinity
3x zerk/valk/knight mix (two w/ air, one w/ hoelbrak)
3x rabid (one w/ lyssa, one w/ undead, one w/ altruism)

Currently working on: 2x rabid (w/ perplexity & w/ tormenting)
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Also undocumented change- double blink with Far Reaching Manipulation switching no longer works.

I know it’s probably been asked for 1000 times already (and my forum search only works on the page it’s on for some reason?), but as a one main player and WvWer, having Armor/Weapon/Trait/Skill templates/swaps would be a huge boon to me and my ability to play the game. I currently have 8 armor sets for my character, 4 of which I carry to swap as I need or want. I’m definitely not opposed to having that 3s50c fee each time I use one of the templates for skills, but remembering and reassigning all of my traits for vastly different builds becomes tedious quickly, not to mention finding where my armor and weapons are. I might be in the minority with the amount of armor and weapon sets I have, but this feature would be beneficial to everyone.

I disagree that it isn’t viable. Check out Kylia’s Triforce build. It’s not the same damage or destructiveness that the original glamour was, but it serves quite well. Also Pyro has a glam support build he posted that is really good for group play as well. Check those out and see what you think. I’ve played both and like them both for different things, and kept armor sets for each to swap as I want.

Sadly my work schedule only came out today and of course it’s the only week in months where I work a Wednesday. So I sadly must withdraw from the tournament as much as I had wished to compete.

I don’t think I’ll be working that evening (but might so may have to withdraw- will know on Friday) so I’ll throw my name in.

Zen Duplicity
Zen.4678
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@Pyro: Thought they removed that. Might have to give it a go then. I do weapon swaps on full stack, so maybe a Sigil of Energy and Sigil of Restoration on full stack would be a good compromise.

Pyroatheist.9031:

I apologize, the 2800 was actually a typo. The base heal on the mantras is 2600, with .2 scaling for healing power. If you want, this build can be modified to run with apothecary gear. I decided that it wasn’t worth it, because the mantra heals only scale .2 with healing power…and I already had a full set of rabid.

Apothecary gear is too expensive for too little gain in that case. If I’m quite honest, this is the build I wanted to make, but had no idea how to build. I had been testing something along the lines of a cleric’s 30/0/20/20/0 build, with Water runes, but this is by far and away better. Thought they stopped double stacking so have to ask why double sigil of corruption? Been looking at stamina, hydromancy, and restoration for my focus as all 3 have options that are fairly appealing.

The theory behind it seems very sound. Going to give it a whirl right now, but based on your previous work, I’m sure it will be good. Makes me glad I didn’t get rid of my rabid armor now.

[edit] Have used it for a few hours and it’s great at support. I’m not seeing the 2800 aoe heal though (unless it’s cumulative) but other than that seems to be very strong. It’s hard learning how to micro mantras after not using them, but after that, seems quite solid. Decent in small groups, but much prefer shatter or immortal for that[/edit]

@Hookerjack

I have no problem running Mist in dungeons or most fractals. I’m not at the high level fractals, but it works fairly well in 1-29.

@Osi

Been quite awhile since I ran this, but love the Mist 2.0 spec. I’m actually using it when I command and it works quite well to keep me alive even in zerg fights. Very good work on that spec. I dunno about the ascended knight earring, not sure if knights or the of the knight would be better, little less toughness for a little more precision, but I still run two cavalier rings as opposed to one and a zerk/valk hybrid. Just got enough commendations to get my third (spent one on rabid for glamour ) ascended earring but debating whether to get the knight or of the knight one. As a commander probably the higher toughness would be good, but I don’t know. Still debating. Any thoughts?

Just wanted to pop in and thank Kylia for taking the time to speak with me about it. Was very informative and helpful- didn’t think I’d have to put them into practice so soon, but then led EB on reset on my server. Downloaded it so I can refresh what he taught me and keep getting better.

If he or the community are interested, be glad to do another (or multiple other) one(s) after I gain some experience in commanding (of course with a mesmer theme).

Thanks again Kylia.

Esplen.3940:

Zen.4678:

The only weapon I dislike and am probably in the minority for is Greatsword.

All the other weapons have their utility and place, well- torch 5 could use some help. I keep one of everything in my bag to swap as needed. The beauty of the mesmer is that we can fit ourselves to the situation at hand and use the weapons needed to achieve that.

This sentence personifies me. Although I carry more than 2 swords (not greatswords) with me at all times.

I actually carry a full gearset spare on me, with an extra piece of armor. I have 2 focus, about 4-5 staves, 2 scepters, 3-4 swords, a pistol, torch and gs.

[edit]bah said wands instead of scepters[/edit]

The only weapon I dislike and am probably in the minority for is Greatsword.

All the other weapons have their utility and place, well- torch 5 could use some help. I keep one of everything in my bag to swap as needed. The beauty of the mesmer is that we can fit ourselves to the situation at hand and use the weapons needed to achieve that.

+1 for each of Glamour/Confusion (all rabid), Pure Condi Shatter (all rabid), Hybrid Phantasm Shatter, SC Heavy, and SC Mist.

I keep a spare weapon and armor set to swap builds on the fly as per what is needed, but the last 2 weeks have seen me being Glamour no matter the situation.

I don’t choose one over the other and enjoy playing them all. I play mesmer for the versatility and ability to do exactly what’s needed for a given situation. What I really need is gear/skill templates so I can literally swap on the fly instead of having to go to a stupid retraiter all the time.

I concur that it’s usage in WvW is quite good for both pure condi and as glam which I’m currently running. With a lot of stacking that zergs do, it’s quite effective. Narrow chokes are a dream when you target behind the front-runner.

Don’t think it’s isolated- my entire guild of ~70 was complaining about the same thing trying to cap stonemist.

I put a Feedback field around a cannon in Bloodtide Coast (where Taidha Covington is) and it reflected a blast onto a critter for 700k+ damage.

Skyro.3108:

I really do not see what people are getting all up in arms about. When was the last time you heard anybody complaining about piercing skills in sPvP? You don’t because it is hard as kitten to aim piercing attacks to hit more than 1 target.

I’m not complaining about sPvP. I’m concerned about WvW/PvE pigeonholing where a lot of Mesmers run GS already anyway and this change could potentially push more people to that depending how they handle the change to Shatter skills.