Guild Wars 2

Iavra.8510:

Actually, most TUP players i met so far weren’t that great. Playing in a zerg and being built for doing so is totally different from smallscale roaming, though.

That said, i’d really like to be proven wrong and hope i will meet some of you on thursday =) I will most likely be a little late, but i will do my best to be there for some duels and look forward to duelling Lert again. Currently it’s 1:1 between your ranger and me

Yes, if you find me around i’m sure you can call me a duel-nub and i’ll never stop to duel someone, since i have my role in my group, as every member of TUP, and i like to fulfill it as much as i can, so i have no time to stop to pump up a dueler kitten. But that’s only me, i’m sure the others think different.

That said i think your statement is really out of place. The definition of “zerg” is really different from the “warband”. A zergling can run around in masterwork gear if he likes, his only purpose is to press 11111 and the power of numbers will be his own power.

If you compare your roaming build with a teamwork support-build then maybe you need to go for bigger goals, mate

Vortigern.1987:

Do you want some milk and cookies too?

Don’t worry, we’ll have a lot of milk and cookies tonight. I was bored to death, so I placed them all outside your towers’ and spawn’s door but you never came out to take a bite. Seeing all that ppl looking at my delicious cookies from the highness of walls and not coming down with me made me a sad panda Ç_Ç

I really hope this reset will provide some ppl not afraid to have some cookies with us ^-^
Good luck in your reset too.

Kunigunde.7401:

A server full of pve nubbings that come out for WXP and karma, yet can’t fight to save their lives

When you are so skilled you could have sure easily stoped our WXP and karma-party. Did you even try?

We’re searching for you since reset. The difficult part is to find you while you hop around the maps after the first encounter, kitten how i hate losing my stacks in changing maps!

/me leaves a trail of cookies for the troll…

Amenaza.8346:

Thanks for the totally awesome fights on AG BL this night. At one point our commander was like "Hmmm did we even cap anything besides some supply camps? Ahh what the hell, who cares… [Yak] and [TUP] are still here and up for a fight, lets kick some * "
So, greetings to those two guilds and [XxX] as well as [QQ] who joined the fun later.

This is the coolest matchup we’ve had in a long time, although our night shift decides it in our favor – but i would say the same if we were 3rd place.

I totally share your feelings, that battle in south ruins was so intense and fun even with that fps drop it was definitely one of my most epic moments in www.. All our guild waves were definitely a beautiful sight! We’re actually 3rd and i think everyone is really satisfied of these nights of struggle and hard opposition! <3
Kudos to all!

Nice nice reset, big clashes, even if maybe tomorrow everything will be lost in the alcoholic mist of my mind i started with that epic epic fight in MS garri, still having goosebumps after a past week a bit numb.

I absolutely agree with retaliation issue, playing with engi i really have to excessively restrain myself. I really hope they’ll find a right balance between utility for the users and way of dealing with it for the takers.

See you around the battlefields <3

Ppl complain on the forums because ppl complain on the forums. So if you go on the forums, you’ll find ppl complaining to not complaining on forums? So what are forums “designed for” (quote)? Complaining? If they’re “not designed for” complaining then don’t complain in the forums… But who decide for what things are “designed for”? I’m confused now… O.O

Coal for my BBQ! Absolutely coal! Aaaah the taste!

Seriously? Did Riverside released all their forum trolls?

I was linking a couple of funny vids, where ppl run away from battles or wp. Really guys, have a bit of fun, this is a game .__. do you really feel the urge to see and analyze youtube footage for proof instead of making a laughter?

Meh, Forum Wars are not made for me cu on the battlefield instead, hoping to have some good fights.

street.2176:

What the….?

At 2:17:20 Riverside runs away before they even see you. They probably needed to defend something on the map or another map. Like hell theyd run because of that lil Melee Train. Or do you think they’ll run all AT THE SAME TIME away the exact second a Player with [TUP] appears on screen? No, they even started running 2-3 sec before the first of your Players was visible. Seriously…

Just for feeding a bit of fun to the trolls: noooo, that nevah happens :-P
Fear the bull!! → http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i357dprYug
Run awayyy (min 12.30) → http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0FmSueMbGM

Ppl are only trying to show another side of the game that in our opinion is really funnier, away from points, not being afraid to see your pixels die. Calling them racist is pretty out of reality tbh. Wanna play your bunker game? Then don’t feel offended when everyone say you’re boring.

Silly comment: s3x is also made to be played in the mere purpose of reproduction, but i guess you like playing it with a LOT of fantasy and not in a boring way, am i right? ;-P *

Shhhh! What are you saying? Are you crazy?
Fixing an annoying and persistent problem when they can introduce new mechanics for the players to give up on mastering their skills as for example superboom arrowcarts annndd traps? No way no way, fix is not required.

Anet wants a flock of sheeps instead of improving players ;D
/sarcasm mode off

Ok sorry for the burst :P yeah, this problem is really really annoying. And it’s really incredible that in months it has not been fixed at all. I wonder if devs sometimes play www with people, they would see how much a small issue like this can be annoying for the players.

The funny thing is that you all think that “yolobus april’s fool joke” is the main point.
It isn’t
The playstyle a lot of servers had till some times ago changed completely. I had great respect for Gandara, i couldn’t wait to fight you once more after our battles on Piken, but what i found at the start of our match just wasn’t the same Gandara. And i know you can’t care less, but i simply think that having your opponent’s respect is a great achievement, not like some silly points on a scoreboard. You easily called TUP whiners, but they don’t care about being wiped by you, they never changed their playstyle, not even in front of huge battles lost from the start. They’re only missing some true enemies they expected to find. Who’s the whiner, the one who fight always in his own way? Or the one who change his playstyle just because of some easy victories? And i can’t stop asking myself if things will ever come back the way they was after trying how easy it can be to make points without efforts.
Crossed fingers.
Maybe you wanted to troll your opponents but in the end you only trolled yourselves.

/salute

“No, wait.. wait!! Too big! You won’t fit! This place is too small for you!! Stooooop!”

X_x

I wonder why Anet put so little efforts in wvw… Patches delayed, “temporary” culling system, lag problems. This is absurd. We’re not talking about a free to play game, we’re talking about a payed game that supposedly should have a serious company behind.

There are so many problems in wvw, some minor and some really bad.. Instead of expanding features wouldn’t be better to fix what we have first? I’d prefer 50 patches, week after week, that fix one problem at a time instead of a super-big patch once in 3 months that create only more problems.

A lot of guildies rage-quit because of the queues, the bad culling system or the insane lag… And the mood of the ones that remain is starting to sink.

We’re customers, we have the right to be assisted in the best way!!!

Voted. For me atm it’s worse. Now enemies, friendlies and also siege weapons and npc (commander npc) appear and disappear randomly from my screen… Also this happens in big scale battles but also in small scale one. That’s really confusing.

@Centrix: Seriusly, you’re starting to kitten people off. Here and on the Piken forum as well. We all know about the bugs that affect the queue system, but it’s obvious the queue situation is getting worse and worse, especially (what a coincidence!) on the night we’re doing pretty good, when queues, bugged or not, are insanely long.
The fact is you’re totally missing the point. Read the the title of the topic please.

You’re cool cause you can wait 20-30 minutes to get in wvw, ok, good for you. But have you seen all the guildies that are stucked in spvp lobby waiting in queue? Not ZERGLINGS but GUILDIES. It’s obvious in a guild one man can make the difference. Do you seriously think that the guilds will go on like this? Slowly people will get bored of this, guilds will stop to go wvw if they can’t go and have fun together. And without guilds running what zerglings will do? They’ll start to whine like always happens, making people kitten of even more.

It’s a chain event. A bad one.
So please, stop with this false Good-Samaritan mode. Piken has a big problem, and a lot of egoistic people are underestimating it too much, thinking only “Ow i had a short queue, the others are just being stupid QQ.”

Only a wvw player feels heartwarmed when he sees different guild raids running around with great coordination. <3

Only a wvw player asks often to his mates: “Hey that battle was crazy good! Tell me that we had fraps on!???!?!”

Only a wvw player knows that we don’t want crappy loot chest, we want direct inventory loot! DX

Only a WvW player is now crying about the mess created by server transfers.
Only a WvW player do 1 hour and so of roleplay in the spvp lobby waiting in queue.
Only a real WvW player calls his server ‘home’ without hopping around like a rabbit.
Only a WvW player run like crazy ignoring 5 kitten that are following him trying to gank him, because his guildies need reinforcements fast!
Only a WvW player forget to loot all his bags on the ground because he has to follow his commander quickly.

“variety kill achievement” … Ç_Ç i missed my daily yesterday cause i forgot to shoot at 1 random mob Ç_Ç wanna die…

Imo this isn’t a good thing, at least on a first exam. I hope Anet is going to do things really carefully.

The major problems I see about introducing PvE content in wvw is the lack of interest in partecipating to the wvw activities, not to mention the limited space for ppl in wvw.
PvE events = Rewards = PvErs camping the maps = queues/inactive-not collaborative randoms = Real wvw’ers outside waiting = decreasing quality of wvw battles = wvw’ers disappointment… and then? what will wvw become without wvw’ers? :-(

Whoa, so much trolling and whining here, I feel my comment will be out of place

I came here to simply say that tonight I had great fun in PS borderland’s hill!! Both servers attacking our castle, and a really cool push back, 2, 3, 4 times… Never losing hope! And then cap camps, rally to take supplies, repair, recap camps again, repair, build sieges, runrunrun… I enjoyed myself very much and I felt proud to be part of the group countering the attacks. There was even this small gandara’s asura thief who caused me lose my eyes on the screen “catch him, have to catch him… where is he? there there there! sboing sboing o_o”…

I just transferred from a server where interest in wvw went down day by day, it was really sad. So I just want to show my appreciation to all of our three servers, that are so determined and involving. Really, ty all guys.

I’ve always always hated PvP for this reason. When I play I try to do my best, but in all the games I’ve tried I’ve always found whining, insulting or boasting people.. Here in wvw I’ve finally found my true enjoyment in PvP, I can play, I can win and be proud of myself and my playstyle, I can lose poorly and not be offended because I’m a noob, I can always think highly of my enemies in the battlefield, I can respect them easily and I feel respected as well. There are no personal wars. Only the game. I like it, and I truly hope this will never change.

Hi I have the feeling this thread will be long so ty in advance for reading and giving your opinion.

I would like to have your thoughts about the current wvw build I’m using. I’ve seen with my own eyes how many ‘mechanical problems’ rangers have in wvw and sincerely I desperated myself to try other classes cause sometimes I feel really tired of trying. But I still like ranger gameplay the most so I’m struggling to be the best that I can.

My favorite weapons and skills are short bow and longbow, paired with traps. I like to be ranged, constantly moving and placing on the ground harassment to my enemies.

Favorite skills when roaming: flame trap, frost trap, spike trap, muddy terrain (viper’s nest if attacking a tower) [elite: entangle/ rampage as one]

Favorite skills when defending a tower: signet of stone, signet of the wild, signet of renewal (sometimes quickening zephyr) [elite: rampage as one/spirit of nature]

With this skill settings I started roam wvw with balanced gear and traits (I don’t remember exactly the traits, it was like 10,25,25,10,0 imo pets in wvw are not really useful so I didn’t want to lose points on that trait – armor focused mainly on vit/thou/prec, runes prec/cond dmg). I had a 35% crit chance and a good vit and thou. The first times it was ok, but when we changed enemies I started to have problems. I don’t really like glass cannon builds but with my previous equip I still was very very squishy, my damage was ridiculous, so my enemies never back down and I was slayed before placing any type of condition.

Initially I used melee CC pets (wolf and drakehound) and I saw my pet running around like crazy following the enemy without giving any damage nor knockback -.-“, I switched to birds… that didn’t even reached my enemies (it was like… KA-BOOM and they came back dead to me -.-”).

So I resetted all my previous efforts and started a new build.

I don’t really want to go full damage, so:
- I bought a prec/thou/cond damage gear
- traits are now 20-30-20-0-0
- runes of the rata-sum (after buying the new gear I didn’t have much gold saved)

I switched pets to lashtail and with great horror I discovered that my enemy can evade or obstruct his ranged attack simply by moving (as it happens with my arrows)… so I found myself obligated to select spiders (I’m fairly arachnophobic you know? ç_ç), at least sometimes it happens that they stop my enemies with their webs, and they have a little vit that it can be of use when I reflect my knockbacks on them. (sometimes I swear at all my efforts seeing how a thief can nearly slay me only by pressing #2 button (heartseeker) non-stop without being stuck by any of my traps -.-)

Btw it goes a bit better now, at least my enemies retreat a little when they see damage so I have a little time to think what to do… Condition damage is also good when attacking towers, and I reached a 55% crit chance that I can really feel. Still I’m not sure if I can do anything else to improve my build without having to change my gameplay (I tried all the weapons, but I don’t feel at ease and the results are worse).

What do you think? Do you see anything wrong? Any good advice?

I started to play wvw recently, but a thing I noticed in an instant was the big difference between attacking and defending even with the same amount of players. Maybe I have too little experience but attacking a tower seems too easy: I can move in open field to evade, I can aoe walls and hit enemies with no great efforts for example, or build sieges in no time that are outside the range of the tower’s defences. When I defend a tower instead I find a lot of problems, as I said in another thread, the walls obstruct my attacks, I can’t use practically all of my active skill even under my position (out of range or line of sight problems) if I want to place at least a weapon’s skill aoe I have to jump on the border of the wall: this is time breaking and also make me an elephant-size-red-flashing target (as I am a really big norn). Sieges are always a pain in the purse, I try to place them always in good places but if I want to see at least 1/10 of the zerg attacking that ‘good place’ will always be an easy target. When I think of ‘attacking a tower’ I feel it has to be a difficult task, on the other side when I think of ‘defending’ I think it should be an advantaged status. Am I wrong?

Glad to hear that Anthrage I tried a 80lv thief (no glass-cannon-always-stealth-build I don’t like that type of build .-.) and take it to wvw.. I have to say I felt really useless there, well, I know thief are good in wvw but seeing how I like to play I didn’t like it. The good thing I see is a really different damage and a good moving/dancing/soloing ability.

I returned back on my ranger and I felt more at ease. So, yes, even if ranger is said to be the worst wvw class I find it really useful in different aspects.

Uhm, Anthrage I’m always eager to know more and I’m trying different builds and skills set. I have a big problem on Lick Wounds (my pet stands still on me without doing anything .-. and it’s a big target for the enemies instead) for example, and would you like to explain me your point about “Pet Torpedoes – especially against siege” (pm if you prefer).

Thank you all for starting and commenting this thread, it’s really interesting

Hi
I am a ranger and even though my class according to everyone is the worst in wvw I really like the gameplay and skills so I’m struggling to be a pain in the kitten :P. I don’t have much problem about the downed state off warriors, ele or thieves, I don’t think it’s a big problem, if they move in open field I only have to look where they go and re-take them down o.o

About the tower’s portal.. when you have to defend your tower why don’t use the right tricks? I don’t see anything bad, a defender of a tower should always be in an advantaged state. If not what is the meaning of taking a tower? :P I don’t think is always correct to shout at the nerfing of some professions: balance depends on a lot of things.

Instead I would look at some issues that can be considered minor but they make some situations really imbalanced. As a ranger (I don’t know a lot of classes) I noticed that when I get downed I’m practically dead there, even in 1vs1 (always searching around for poor little one-shot-kittens), no need to struggle. Pets in wvw are really umbalanced so even if it continues to attack it is of no use as you can dodge its attack only by walking. Button 3 skill (pet returns to me and should in theory get me up) practically never works, pet needs a lot of time to come back to me, it stand still on me without curing and is also an easy (and big o.o) target for aoe…. instead of helping me my cute pet contributes to my death ç_ç). Or when a thief get someone in downed state he can finish him without even uncloak, this is imba, you don’t have a chance in this case (don’t flame ù.ù I’m talking about downed state only, thieves are a pain but there are a lot of thing you can do when you’re full-skill up). Or the fact that if I’m a defender on a wall, the wall (my wall!!) obstruct my projectiles but don’t obstruct the offenders’ ones -.-", I can throw traps on a enemy wall but I can’t trow them down my own wall.. at least it should be the same for both parts.

This ones are strange things, don’t you think?

Mjk.7562:

Yup, rangers are completly worthless, always when i see one regardless class i am playing (currently have only 80war, 80 thi , 80 mes and poor 41 rannger – abandoned), it is easy kill :P

Currently I don’t have big problems in 1vs1 nor 1vs2 , I surely don’t destroy my enemy like a fury, but I feel quite equal to my opponent. Probably it depends on the fact I haven’t found true skilled players yet..

By the way I understand what you’re saying. Uhm, I was thinking to level up a thief and a mesmer to understand a little more their gameplay and skills so I’ll give them a good try (recently in www I find tons of thieves and mesmers -.-" personally I think this is a little boring).

Is ranger really that useless? ò.ò
I love playing with my ranger and I don’t really feels so useless when some little chickens get stucked by my traps and they stay still like some big shooting targets.. But I’m not really a veteran in www so I’d like to know more of your opinion. Ty

Uhm, I need a info..
Before some of you talked about jumping puzzles and people not attacking. A while ago 2 enemies walked in the zone I was patrolling (cause it’s constantly under attack) and I immediatly took them down. At first I didn’t notice but when I looked at them on the ground they were both without armor so I felt a little guilty cause probably they were only trying to explore their map without attacking me nor the camp.. In this case is there a proper wvw etiquette? Is it wise if I let them go to take their poi/vista/sp or was it good to defend my zone without mercy?

ò.ò When some times ago I wandered around the wvw for my map completion, there was no way that someone would let me pass untouched so I remembered those frustrating times and I’d really like to have let them go untouched (cute kitten me è.è)

Unquale.7489:

Unfortunately it’s sad to read all the posts containing bitterness due to our leaving. He’s given you the reasons of why we “winning team joiners” left if you’ve read the whole thread

Sorry, I read all the thread and also picked up some infos in various discussions before. And all I see in your motivations are the real whining. I’m always had a strong guild sense and loyalty so probably our point of view will never be the same. And probably I’ll be always considered weak by you, with my way of thinking.

You have to understand that it’s obvious there’s so much bitterness when you see people easily give up and ruin all the efforts made. When you create an alliance, you don’t expect to have mercenaries within, ready to change flag in no time.

Was it really that impossible to make things better? No it wasn’t impossible. Going away in LaLaLand is always the easy way. But by doing this a guild can only be a drifting mine not worth trusting.

I sincerely have no problem with you or your guilds, as probably I wasn’t even there when things happened. I’m only explaining my PoV. For me now you’re only part of the enemy server on the battlegrounds
But I’ve take a great liking on my tough and prideful FSP that’s struggling to become organized once again.

p.s. I stay here in the forum because 1) I like to write and 2) I’m at work, so it’s a little difficult for me to stay on the battlefields even if I’d like to (when there are no customers I run to fight) :PPP

yellowsnow.4270:

FSP is a great server and i have meany friends there and when the time comes that i dont play so much wvw anymore, i will definitely go back. But atm i will focus on wvw and at the same time have fun wile doing so, that is really not possible on FSP anymore, cuz u run around whit out manned buff 90% of the time.

So being part of a server is only about this?
I’m talking about what I’m reading here. I only know that 2 big wvw focused guilds left FSP. Considering that I see other guilds that are still here, we can say that when you were here there were good basics of a good wvw fighting in our server. It was a matter of involving ppl and organize things. But instead of stay on FSP , loyal to your server and your alliance, trying to make things go better, you go away because you’re 90% of the time in outmanned status? Because you fear falling back in ranking? And then you’re here talking about enjoying yourselves, bragging about how good was this or that hard battle but as I read here you enjoy yourselves only if you’re in winning position and up in ranking.
Ok, it’s good for you, anyone has its own objectives. The despicable thing is that now you come here making a sweety face and saying you have no responsibilities. You had your duties and you disappointed them, and your departure seriously deprived the one that was once your own server of good wvw players. That is a FACT, not a whine.

Uhm, ok I lost my point. Sorry for the OT. I came here again to thanks both server players. Staying in WvW is difficult for me these days, cause I’m trying to wander around to observe things (uhm… in fact I’m always splatted on the ground observing things XD maybe it’s safer if I create a thief ù.ù).

I’m seeing a lot of good ideas and I can’t wait to apply them on the field myself!! è.é
It’s obvious we are not a match in this tier, it’s good for us to fall down a little and then regain our strenght. I hope this week will be a great incentive for every player in FSP as it is for me.

I’ve always been a PvE player only, here I began to really like WvW.. Now I’m doing my best to help some friends leveling up at speedlight, and to complete mine and their builds to finally focus on WvW (from this point I see a hole in the game, I have tons of karma and a good quantity of badges but I can’t use them to buy the equip I like ç_ç). The first thanks goes to some commanders and some guilds, that are really really… fascinating!

See you on the field

Surely the issue is within us, but there’s a group that has not give up yet and it’s really cruel to say that. Imho the ones who gave up were those who left their own server, not the ones who stay here, trying to regroup and to do their best despite the PvE habit of most FSP players. Even if we are the ‘easy prey’.

There are some proud commanders among us. Yes, we are a few players in wvw, we’re always in “Outmanned” status, we don’t have the same amounts of gold or badges to spend in sieges and for a well organized wvw server we can be ‘boring’ to the point of make fun of us and destroying us with a million golems. But we’re not lousy and when we group together the numerical superiority is just not enough to stop us. Again, we can’t sustain fighting all time in all maps (I have a job and even if you find it strange I also need to sleep sometimes that’s what I’m trying to say). In the end there’s really no need to say that we’re giving up -.-"

I’m still enjoying myself in wvw, for a noob like me bad situations = good learning

Well, I just recently joined wvw battles and I’m really a newbie, so you can take my comment and throw it away if you’d like. I came here in the forum especially to see if someone was talking about this match. And so it is.

It’s really sad to see so little wvw participation in our server (FPS) but we work hard to be competitive. To see our Commanders’ committment in creating stable groups make me want to fight to overturn the results every time. But to see two servers collaborate like this time is even more sad, it makes me think ‘whoa, what a bad game they’re doing’. And to be clear, so many hours spent without even trebbing around towers from stonemist and attacking instead our lonely little towers with at least 3-4 golems a time, or see a huge green group coming to defend a nearly empty blue tower from our attack and then go away… imho is ‘making love’ as Suppenkasper previously said.

Unfortunately things like this are part of the game, but at least I’m proud to defend myself from this ‘winning’ methods, even if that means we’ll lose badly in points.