Guild Wars 2

Dojo.1867:

• focus on melee weapons for future buffs, they should give you a slight DPS advanatge for the greatly increased risk but right now you only swap away from lb for the utility
• maybe give ranger the interruptor role, moment of clarity could be a fun trait if there weren’t so few interrupts (GS only #5 triggers it which is extremely hard to land and on bow it doesn’t do a lot because you follow point blank shot with rapid fire)
• traps require tactical placement but you just cannot use them individually, instead you have to run an all out full traps build and even that is not good enough in current meta

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Any other ideas?

You pretty much have all the tools you need in game. The only brake is your imagination (and some training).

DarkSyze.8627:

In wvw, all i was doing is spam longbow skill #1 and i feel this is too much not having risk for a range class. I am chock that i kill 8 player in 5 minute just for being in 1500 range: i find that problematic not accept for challenge play and require no risk play. No class should have easy advantage + with 0-little cooldown.

So, you played in a zerg, fine. Where is the risk ? A thief do the same at closed range.

Play the LB meta (wich is quiet terrible actually), have some good duels, 1 vs 1, 1 vs x in WvW, make a vid, please, and you’ll talk about low risk.

It looks like you’re spamming everything on CD, 99 % of random dodges (virtually dodging nothing). The most interesting part would have been to know how you failed against the ranger.

Decimus.1829:

hope you guys like the vid.

Nope.

Tribio.8531:

Never any offence meant to a good ranger..

It’s not about offence but “savoir vivre”. You can’t come on the ranger forum to say that ranger is a kittened class wich requieres no skills. I think you get it.

[Matthew McConaugheyMod/on] We are all freaking brain dead monkeys. [Matthew McConaugheyMod/off]

Tribio.8531:

borya.2964:

A brain dead monkey would have better argument skills.

Wow, good argumenting there..

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To elaborate my statement: […]

Worked as intended. See, it’s not that hard.

A brain dead monkey would have better argument skills.

anduriell.6280:

Rangers are the most fun class to play because of the promise of it can get better. The mechanism of the class seems promising you can play safe from distance and get close as soon as you desire keeping efectivines en both cases.
WRONG. It is not a problem of learn 2 play (L2P) most of the skills and traits are broken or useless.
That’s being said. The class is still the most fun in pve and wvw. Although if you go for the win (to dont die a lot in wvw […]

The best LB rangers you’ll fight are actually those who are mastering the other set of weapon(s), basically GS or S/D. That’s why they are dangerous, because they are “effective” in both ranged/closed combat.

Cufufalating.8479:

With RaO… yeah could be good too. Again, like HoA, it would be nice just to be able to lower it’s CD a bit and being a shout would make perfect sense.

With the incoming stab change, it won’t justify such a long cd anymore i guess.

Larynx.2453:

Lettuce.2945:

This build hits almost just as hard as full zerkbow but has way better survivability.

That is actually completely false.

You’re missing 200 power from Marksmanship, 5% damage from Eagle Eye, 10% attack speed from Read the Wind (not to mention, you’ll be missing most of your shots without it), could also swap one of those out for piercing arrows which is a 5-fold increase in damage in zergs, 300 ferocity and 300 precision from Skirmishing, and 20% CD reduction for Longbow, 10% damage from the minor, and you’re missing the greatsword burst combo from Moment of Clarity.

But hey, you do almost the same damage.

With a build like yours, you’re better off running soldier and just trolling.

You are confusing solo roaming/small scale roaming (where you have to expect 1 vs x and hard fights while being first target almost every time) and a zerg fight (confortably seated in the backline).

But hey, …

Tricare.2946:

Any good player will kill you with dual bows…… /sigh

I would’nt give you half a minute to be eaten buy this kind of build against you’re condi ranger :

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNQQJATVlEqofltsw0NUtMgegsMwh2/K2jZmSFspC-T1SEABqp0A7LBQSKDSTTAcPBAAMxQz+DcoDIUlg7oErF1fIFAbCtA-w

It’s not a matter of weapons really , neither to be such as good. His build will never be effective outside 1 vs 1 cuz he’s too slow, he have no break stun, no stability, to few cleans etc. It doesn’t mean he can’t kill good players.

It’s nothing but a duel build, fun while you stay in 1vs 1 (not even good for all situations). Definitly useless, and mostly bad, outside of that in WvW (in a solo roaming perspective). And that ‘s what you’re doing by the way in the vid, searching for 1 vs 1. Also, you’re very far away from the 6-9k damage with rapide fire as you said.

That said, it’s well play so far.

Tribio.8531:

SoulSin.5682:

If red, it’s dead.
That’s the only rule.

+1

SoulSin.5682:

There are proper places for duels, like south of the southmost camp.
If you meet someone there than yes, /bow and duel and don’t finish the downed.

-50000
Ever heard of Obsidian Sanctum?

If I see people duelling on a normal WvW map, I’ll rush in and kill, simple as that..
(or get killed, for that matter) :-D

Duel is a matter of circumstances, you have a random 1 vs 1, the guy is good, you invite him/her in a party and do it again, sharing builds etc. You can meet really nice guys like this.

WvW reflect human nature as well as this tread do, from the most sensitive and honest post to the stupidest one.

@Justine : The wolf is mandatory and i will never leave my siamoth, he saved me so many times. Honestly, i don’t like to die so much, so i won’t go for a full zerker build (and it’s not my playstyle). I really enjoy to fight 1 vs x and i don’t think that i could do this without armor. I have +3k when i am alone, but i take more zerker trinkets in a group run.

@FrownyClown : I already have a full ascended condi set, so i really wanted a power dammage based one.

@solrik : Yep, i am from Gandara

@Fluffball : I never had trouble with the sword autto-attack cuz as you porbably seen i make a few use of it.

And i am not very good with greatsword, simple as that

Thanks for the feedback

No stomping machine here, i am an average player.

I made this vid during a couple of days to promote the build I already talked about some times ago (made an asura). It’s a kitting build (inspired by a condi bunker one I used to play for a long time) where you can truly expect 1vs 1/x, whatever the classes/builds.

If you’re not patient, I guess this is not for you. The nice thing is that you can change for damage or armor according to your mood with trinkets and food.

The build : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaizOAC8iGs

As usual, feel free to criticize !
(sorry for the english )

Thanks for the feedback.

It’s a very interesting point and to be honest i had never really think about it. Now that you say it, it’s quite obvious, indeed. The fact is that i played condi bunker for more than a year now (A/T & S/D) where auto attacks were useless and where i needed to switch a lot. I make a very few use of the LB auto and i switch too much and the true is that i don’t feel perfectly comfortable yet with this weapon.

I ’ll definitly keep in mind your advice in the future.

Le Guard Evade Pewpew Stealth build :

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNMQNAT8YnEqQ/K2yC+CCXLGAToanAdaAwKZdHCLwEXyKKC-T1DEABZfRAgRVlnUSonOgoUikoKBbpE0gHAATKnYRFiQ0Ekz+DAcEAaUNA30IEAABYn7MsZwQL0wQH6QH6QvZpAqYYE-w

x
2 (IV)
6 (VI, VII, XI)
6 (V, VIII, XII)
x

- LB (fire, cleansing) & S (bloodlust) / D (cleansing)
- Mix of stats (knight, zerker, assassin)
- Runes of the pack
- TO, SOR, LR, Guard & RAO
- Siamoth and wolf

The vid is mostly about to show the kind of fight you’ll have with this build. It works both on solo and small scale roaming to some extent.

Criticism is welcome.

The strength booster give 5% damage reduction against monsters, not players.

The rejuvenation one give 42 hp per second and doesn’t scale with healing power (mango pie is 85)

The speed one is laughable.

You can’t find those boosters on GS cuz nobody would buy it.

I use a « Guard build », this means that it’s the only shout I use and I have 6 points in Nature Magic to reach Nature’s Voice. But I don’t use Shout Mastery because the boons duration are already higher than the skill’s cd (Traveler runes). With those changes, I’ll need one Grandmaster trait + an Adept trait on two different lines, it’s quiet broken.

I also like the actual basic skill (protection and stealth for the pet) and I’d like to keep it.
If you run 6 points in Nature Magic (outside a Spirit build), you are a condi bunker and you consequently have a good amount of armor (around 3K). You give a 10 % damage reduction for bunker builds (X/X/6/6/x) every 15/12 sec, possibly in addition to Companion‘s Defense and Nature’s Protection.

In another hand, you give perma swiftness (and a very good skill even outside Nature’s Voice) through Guard to every rangers builds with a simple Adept trait.
In both cases, there is something wrong to me.

Another thing, Aegis doesn’t really fit with Protect Me. If you don’t take damage, you don’t need to block.

(sorry for the English)

Susanoo.2586:

[…] but I can bet any amount of money a good player knows you can lock down a ranger easier than anything […]

And you obviously have a lot of money to waste.

There is a plenty of good ranger videos who actually do the exact same thing against good players.

Attractive title, disappointing content.

It’s neither solo roaming nor small scale roaming. You kill ennemies beside another random mates, you’re never focused. Actually, it’s not even fights. I don’t get the point.

“Wilderness survival – I could like this one. To bad it competes for a solid condition removal. I can see it being taken if you are going x.×.30.30.x and taking the new Nature Magic trait.”.

10 (or 0) / 10 (or 0) / 30 / 30 / 0, with the same amount of toughness for condi builds (more than 3k armor) two survival skills (lightning reflexes ofc) and signet of the wild for apo stats or something else with precision (with a third survival skill i guess), torment sigil, traveler runes, and S/T – A/D. There is something very strong here.

“Standard operation for me when im on thief and basicly all i do is watch my Ini-Bar.”

That’s why you’ll never kill a thief. If you would learn, you would soon realize that a thief is very predictable.

An entire sub-build is rarely (never) effective. As a war you can’t have access to stability with shoots for example, but it’s fine in PVE i guess.

ArmageddonAsh.6430 :

" Conditions SHOULD be about using them at the RIGHT time to great effect, not spamming them until the person you are fighting dies because they can’t out cleanse all the conditions that you spam them with."

Conditions is one of the two ways to kill someone else, with direct damage (and nobody can win a fight with auto-attack). If i say :

Direct damage SHOULD be about using them at the RIGHT time to great effect, not spamming them until the person you are fighting dies because they can’t counter all the direct damage that you spam them with.

Does it make sens for you ? i dont think so.

misterdevious.6482:

[…] to spam the Guard skill for Swiftness and Regen […]

Condi (bunker) rangers who want to use condi off hand weapons (torch/dagger), instead off useless ones (warhorn) or useless signet, and spend between 30 or 40 points in order to have swiftness , are “spamming guard” ? What’s wrong with that ? (and regen is quiet anecdotal, please ).

“They can build for it but they don’t use it because Spirit/Bunker is far more useful in pvp. As for WvW, everybody knows how underpowered they are.”

So, you’re saying that a spirit ranger can run a chill spec build around one spirit skill with a 40 sec cd ?

“I’m on a server with two of the best rangers who play the game. They can maintain perma chill. I’m mostly a WvWer and there are some nasty perma chill ranger builds out there. Spirits are less effective in WvW.”

I’ve never seen a chill spec ranger (i’ve played my ranger for 2,700 hours and i mostly play solo roaming/small scale if we need those types of arguments).

- One weapon skill among 30+ can chill ( 3 sec based on a 10 sec cd).
- You can use two pets with same f2 ( between 2 or 3 sec based for 20/30 cd) with pet swapping cd.
- One trap or one spirit skill wich are not in the same spec. (30 and 40 sec cd).

Bunker can maintain a high poison pressure and high burning pressure, yes. But there is no viable chill spec for ranger like necro can do.

“Rangers can easily perma chill.”

No, they can’t, neither easily nor perma.

WvW solo roaming/ small scale (85%), PVE/living story (10%), duels (5%).
Playing a condi regen bunker (main char).

I wont discuss pet mechanism, we need changes and i want to keep my pet and i dont want a lazy class.

Main issues :
- Lack access to condition removal wich is mostly in addition a penalty (dead of the pet)
- Lack access to boons (talking for all rangers)

In addition :
- We cant remove boons.
- We cant transfer boons.
- We cant transform conditions into boons.
Etc.

There is something here we can do with our own class mechanism. Be creative. Pets could rip a boon from a foe to himelf, troll unguent : You and your pet regenerate health over time, all incoming conditions are converting into boons and transfer to your pet…

Hey,

First of all, am sorry for my english. I would suggest some things:

- You dont need so much toughness ( + 3k armor is useless) and you really need more condition dammage. Apothecary is much better than settler, at least with your armor if you dont get ascended yet. (give up precision)
- 4 runes of resistance + 2 runes of melandru (perma -66% conditions at least)
- Empathic bound instead Bark skin.
- Vigorous renewal instead Wilderness you can proc vigor two times and you can hold 8sec more with lightning reflexes.
- 10 points in marksmanship (instead skirmishing) = +10 % condition dammage and keen edge.
- Signet of renewal instead wild. (second break stun + passive)

You’ll do the exact same thing, but you’ll be more powerful and you’ll fight huge condi builds as necro or enginer. Its my build, actually :

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQRAnf8YnAV0XZlFeBxaZAZVQQaP0EzDTcP8vOJET5If5tIA-j0DBIhgYiBCnBmWAkkOwkIQZoAppMasF4DRrMKsaZBWPTRVfEzYOx2zDaVKAmkGB-w
(i can reach 1900 condition dammage in a small scale of roaming)