Guild Wars 2

I killed several rangers this evening in wvw who lost precious seconds trying to stack boons in one rotation. One of them whispered me and asked me how i could do it so fast while hitting like a truck. They probaly never used neither QZ nor Guard before. It was funny.

I didn’t use WEAO, i just have a lots boons with high uptime duration, i can end a fight with 30 sec of protection outside the usual fury, swiftness and regen. Everybody could have used this kind of build for month (http://de.gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAT8YnEqAlsgtsA+CCctgBOhy/7B4w/XYxb4eYr0AoipKA-T1DFABVfQAOUlA70B0kyg2uAgmAAOCAFqGxVKBF4BAgkSpY2f4RVEcSJTiqiomGBSB41yI-w).

Are rangers discovering boons ?

nacario.9417:

Itll be fun to see how the celestial avatar works on a traditional lb gs ranger, it could basically be like a free third weaponset/semi deathshroud in some ways depending on how effective ur healing is on a marauder amulet. I would def try MM BM druid as the condi clear in WS can be covered with druid, making us less dependant on wilderness knowledge trait for survival skills. Potentially more durable 1v1/onpoint, but we’ll see.

Im also very excited to see the new pets useful/responsiveness

Roy Cronacher.1576:

Druid is more about burst healing in key moments as it takes a while to build up astral force to enter celestial avatar, Ventari is more about sustain healing.

Question is what’s “a while” ?

Girion.5483:

Maybe I’m suffering from Blindness and Confusion at the same time, but I don’t see these ominous inter-build dynamics. The Druid spec tree (traits) features no real synergy with the pet (except for this one trait), neither our other weapons, nor the other traitlines. It looks as if the druid traitline was created with only the staff and CAF in mind.

“Live Vicariously” is a good minor if you use traited shouts, even without healing power, “Druid Clarity” is a strong trait in every Druid builds, If you use more than one glypgh “Verdent Etching” is mandatory, Natural Stride is a great GM in every builds and “Ancient Seeds” is a very strong trait for LB, SB and GS. You’ll still have BM for pet’s synergy.

CA is a game changer for solo, small scale roaming and pvp that bring you self and group sustain, even more with offensive spec, where Druid Clarity, Natural Stride and Ancients Seed offer a lots of combinations with different builds. I cant’ understand people who really fail to see how strong CA will be in pretty much every kind of builds. When in CA you’ll still have access to your pets, heal, utilities and elite, don’t
forget that.

ShadowKain.9410:

Your constant attempts to claim “logical deduction” and “your perspective is illogical” in situations that – at no point – ever called for them, whilst basing your statements on fallacious reasoning comes off as nothing more than someone trying far too hard to sound more intellectual than they are.[/i]

You are full of jokes today.

Aomine.5012:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Aomine.5012:

I’ll add some more info that people fail to see.

They fail to recognize Druid provides no might, no fury, no quickness, no stability, no protection, no Aegis, boons that any other heal classes have good access to that actually makes a difference.

They’d soon realize this truth and shaft Druid away and pick on another Ele which do everything Druid can do (heal, CC), while doing even more damage and provide all the useful boons I listed above. (Oh, they probably will bring another Mesmer too because it provides unique offensive buffs)

Keep up the delusion folks. Druid will probably be good only in PVP and WvW. (condition bulky druid probably)

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Druid is essentially the water ele x 10, how many of those boons do you see Ele pumping out using water?

Ranger does those boons (except might) very easily and can perma all of them (except quickness and stability) on a party, so combined with the healing, its quite good.

Yeah, except might, quickness, protection, stability, Aegis…

Oh wait! That’s like 80% of the important boons!

I’m talking about the party-wide support, not the selfish one which every classes can do.

Druid can perma maintain fury, regen and swiftness to the party very easily (+ lots of runes can give bonus boons to allies), cleans conditions, reduce conditions, give stealth and super speed to your party, one of the new F2 is a smoke field, a huge fire field, you can pretty much maintain 10 %, even 20 % increase damage to your party if you want, with an entire set of new skill to heal for a good amount even without healing power, all in a single build. If the Druid is not supposed to do all the job alone, he can bring a lot. How can you fail that much to see the amount of possibilities ?

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Tragic Positive.9356:

Ranger already is one of the highest DPS classes in PvE.

And if you watched the glyphs and traits – it’s going to be massive for PvP as well as WvW.

Also, Rangers currently have the potential to become the reason why ZerkMeta stays alive and all people might end up loving you.

I don’t see a single reason how can you guyz get disappointed! We already have all the offensive possibilities on live. This was what we needed for CC, Condi Clear, Defensive support.

We
Got
Everything
We asked of druid!

Come on! What’s wrong with you? If you want an offensive Ranger – you have access to it already. If you want any other one – you just got access to all of it with druid.

IKR it looks so great!

My bandwidth is very low, so I missed half the traits and glyphs and staff skills, but the ones I saw looked AMAZINGLY GOOD! And the pets! lol

Can’t wait to see all the tooltips later on!

So much things to do as an offensive druid, jeez… We have cleans and movement speed, i can’t believe all the builds we can look at, all the runes we can use now…

StickerHappy.8052:

Suck or not, I will always love the ranger class no matter what. I won’t bandwagon to other classes like Cavs Fans. lol

Like all those who main ranger. Who cares about the other ?

Great thread.

I was thinking some time ago that the stow option could work in combat like a high risk for the ranger to save a pet, loosing almost all or all skills, like the engi elexir s (without the invu fonction) and then the pet would appear at your location (without full HP like with the tonic.)

At 1,25 minutes :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDbkB5dranM

Fluffball.8307:

I can think of about 6 ways to achieve that off the top of my head and your first thought was “he cheatin’”?

It’s not so much the fact that the OP ignored the ease with wich Rangers can achieve this. If i was a cheater i would be perma stability …

What about :

“Sick ’Em!” : Your pet gain Super Speed, rushes at your foe, reaveling them and dealing more damage.

- your next attack knock down your foe, or
- your next attack immobilize your foe, or
- Your next attack chill your foe

Shouts have never been designed to especially neither give boons nor to be support skills, this is even more obvious with the Reaper and Tempest. Shouts are mostly useful when traited and often, so far, with a specific set of runes. Ranger’s shouts have a purpose, but some doesn’t work.

Guard for example have 2 functions, 3 when traited: pet management, pet survivability and boons (swiftness and regen) in a short CD. Whether some people like it or not, the skill works. Period. When I sometime see some rangers complaining about pet management or ranger’s mobility while I am perma speed with a strong pet all in one utility without to lose anything I need (power ranger roamer), I seriously doubt about the way some players think about the class.

The new F5 is not a bad idea, actually it’s a good one. Problem is that Guard lose all the purpose, you lose pet management, you lose pet survivability (stealth and protection are greatly decreased). Grant 5 sec of protection to the ranger have literally no purpose.

Tragic Positive.9356:

• Guard: Your pet guards an area. If an enemy enters this area, your pet will blink to the target and apply blind and cripple. Your pet gains stealth and protection. 15 sec CD.

That’s the kind of changes Shouts need and i like it. We really need few things to make them better or work, larger issues are tied to our core mechanic anyways.

You’re right, my bad here, i was mistaken. But even if i said it was broken, i kind of like my mistake, this new trait could definitly bring some support too to the party.

This is the build i am currently using since the pre-HOT patch:

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAT8YnEqAlsgtsA+CCctgBOhqH2KNA+XYxbY/vHgDfkdB-TlDFABVfEAsTHQTKDa7BAaCA4gAUoqLXpEUgLAASKtiZ/hHVDwJlIJqChaaECAgAczbmNbzghO0hO0hO0u5NH6Qv5QLFgXLjA-w

Among other things, it relies on boons. I can have a lots of boons with very high uptime (actually almost all of them outside resistance). "“Boons from pet are transferred to the other when you swap pets” looks like a simple proposal change, but it’s a huge change for a minor. An another ranger i faught in a duel asked me few days ago how i could have 26 sec of protection, i thought he was mistaken, but it can happens sometimes, Protective Ward + 4 th Lyssa runes + 6 th Lyssa runes and some dodges (my pet probably have even more with guard). Well, it’s anecdotal. The thing is is that with my build, that is not some weird one, i would be the king of boon sharing. You could use WH and immedialty reapplie the boons by swapping pet, it’s 36 sec of fury, swiftness and might without any boon duration. It would be broken, granting only stability to allies is already a game changer and if you put a CD on the trait, you couldn’t grant stab in a reliable way that much.

Bryzy.2719:

borya.2964:

Bryzy.2719:

Borya ^ makes a lot of redundant and menial points, would advise OP ignores them for the sake of keeping a useful thread on track.

The OP is able to know what he has to do or not. I am discussing and asking questions, mostly about something that is not clear to me. Who do you think you are ?

I am someone who will argue against drivel when he sees it. How about asking questions relating to the logistics of OP’s proposals rather than asking things about secondary non-issues? I am not replying to you any further for the sake of keeping this thread on track.

Good, cuz you’re the only one who want to derail the thread so far.

Bryzy.2719:

Borya ^ makes a lot of redundant and menial points, would advise OP ignores them for the sake of keeping a useful thread on track.

The OP is able to know what he has to do or not. I am discussing and asking questions, mostly about something that is not clear to me. Who do you think you are ?

Tragic Positive.9356:

Guard – Grants stealth and protection (3sec) to you and your pet (5sec). Your pet’s next attack applies cripple. (Position Mechanic changed in https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Change-Required-Pet-Management/)

They would promote pet management (which is a high-skill cap with shouts) […]

I am not sure to understand, so if Guard stealth you and your pet :

Stealthing both you and your pet with PBS and Guard requires a good timing, call it “high-skill” cap if you want and can be very rewarding while fighting an another player. Now, explain how stealthing you and your pet with only one skill is a higher skill cap ? (even with your new F5 wich is not needed for the said purpose)

Tragic Positive.9356:

These changes would affect Guard Regen spamming builds but I believe few players sill run this build and we are already overcapped on regen via various sources. Game-play of spamming a utility skill for regen is a bad design and shout builds had more survivability glued with proposed changes as a compensation.

You would still able to be perma regen using HAO with traits. What about “spamming” stealth for you and your pet every 9 sec ? Is this the skilled gameplay you’re talking about ?

If not, do you make Guard a better shout by reducing half the stealth and protection uptime time on the pet, giving him a poor cripple on the next attack, to gain 5 sec of protection ? I don’t think so.

There are 4 datamined icons that are tied to a seasonal theme like and more than 3 color scheme glyphs (like 3 “animal” aspect), atcually 4 that obviously work with the seasonal ones. The druid’s apect won’t be simple animals. The problem is that numbers doesn’t match with eachother : 4 aspects, 18 glyphs, heal, (4 or 3 utilities), elite.

I don’t see neither how it could work with the actual pet mechanic, even if we would have to choose 2 aspects from 4, it would end with a class that got 3 swap skills and tied glyphs based on the aspect you’re currently using ? It looks a bit complex. The good news is probably that we would have a lots of utlities.

meepeY.2867:

The build is fun to play, hilarious to watch. I can’t count the number of times I’ve being whispered with either a rage comment + an instant block or someone accusing me of Hacking.

A pretentious troll is indeed hilarious to watch. Iggy deserves better.

mulzi.8273:

When i’m roaming on mine, I can hold my own on 1v1 depending on who i’m fighting. But its no where near as ‘OP’ as my mesmer roaming.

It’s not OP but it’s a troll build, like condi mesmer, useless outside the baddies. There is no fun to kill them.

It depends on what you call mobility. We could say it’s the unit/sec or something. A Ranger with GS/SW and LR (and it’s a common type of melee build) can travel 2800 units in like 5, 6 sec, it’s far before Wars for sure.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/New-Builds-List-40-builds-All-modes/page/4#post5406365

Mcrocha.3891:

borya.2964:

Toolbox.9375:

borya.2964:

And since the glyphs have absolutly no use in their own profession, it’s a bit scary.

I’m a bit concerned about that, too. For Elementalists, it’s not exactly that the effects of Glyphs aren’t worthwhile, it’s that the cooldowns attached are absolutely NOT fitted to such effects. So long as we don’t get the one-cast-every-two-battles bullhockey that Elementalist Glyphs have, though, I can see them offering some very nice versatility and potency.

Yes, you’re right but they still give to the druid one of the most unreliable utility type in the game so far. Based on the fact that the CD is the first issue of those utilities this http://i.imgur.com/IcGtSWn.png augurs well to you ?

You don’t know how long the cd will be on the glyphs nor what their effects will be. Just bc they’re long on ele doesn’t mean they will be long on ranger. Furthermore the Aspect swap mechanic is an unknown as well so the swapping could actually knock down the cd quite a bit.

I know, i have no anwsers. There is nothing to expect with the swapping mechanic itself i think but maybe a break stun or a clean. So the aspect swap looks to reduce the glyphs’s cd (1/2 sec per affected foe). Alright, the aspect swap CD is probably short, the glyphs CD maybe is too (or not).

Let’s take the Reaper trait (Chronomancer’s alacrity is too cool for the Druid)" shout recharge faster for each foe they hit, 7 % per foe" (one foe is already 2 sec recharge on a 30 sec based shout CD). Simple trait, simple maths, simple effect.

Our glyphs CD recharge looks to depend on the number of affected foes AND by an another skill that ALSO have a CD. I mean, it’s already a tortuous idea to me. As Lug said, Druid need group fighting utilites and support capabilites not some weird sub-mechanics. I am just a bit worried, nothing more.

Toolbox.9375:

borya.2964:

And since the glyphs have absolutly no use in their own profession, it’s a bit scary.

I’m a bit concerned about that, too. For Elementalists, it’s not exactly that the effects of Glyphs aren’t worthwhile, it’s that the cooldowns attached are absolutely NOT fitted to such effects. So long as we don’t get the one-cast-every-two-battles bullhockey that Elementalist Glyphs have, though, I can see them offering some very nice versatility and potency.

Yes, you’re right but they still give to the druid one of the most unreliable utility type in the game so far. Based on the fact that the CD is the first issue of those utilities this http://i.imgur.com/IcGtSWn.png augurs well to you ?

LughLongArm.5460:

I like the idea of glyphs/aspect better

There is a datamined photo of a bag that looks like a kit for rangers (can’t remember where to find it). Thing is that we could loose weapon swap ?

And since the glyphs have absolutly no use in their own profession, it’s a bit scary.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Sirendor.1394:

coglin.1867:

Sirendor.1394:

TheLastNobody.8319:

I will never understand why people hate conditions so much…

Passive play.

1. Apply condition
2. Kite
3. Enemy clears condition after x damage

Repeat until 3. isn’t longer possible because enemy is through his condi clears.

I do not think passive play means what you think it means. You have to land a skill to apply conditions.. Precisely like you have to land a skill to apply direct damage.

It is a very simple concept.

Landing a skill/Taking a button press action = Applying Damage

I think part of the issue here, is a fundamental lack of understanding of how the game works.

Sirendor.1394:

Step 2 makes no sense in a direct damage scenario, because it does not benefit damage output in melee situations. Condition damage however, still hits the enemy regardless of application.

No, condition damage does continue hit the enemy.

Direct damage attack lands and does 5000 damage instantly.

Condition application skill lands, does 1000 damage per second for 5 seconds. That’s 5000 damage over 5s.

It is true that you need to apply it once. But after you have done that (and your condi has a sufficient duration), it requires no further action of the player.

Example given: trap ranger. He drops his traps, waits till you walk in them and then all he has to do is wait till you drop dead. It requires no further activity on the trap ranger’s end. Of course usually you have at least 1 or 2 condi clears, but once you’re through these, it’s simply a waiting game.

If you die from ranger traps alone, it is a L2P issue. If your a poor enough player that you continually stand in a red circle damage field long enough to reapply conditions. Very bad game play is not a reasonable argument for nerfing anything.

If your build is poor enough that you cannot cleanse, and traps alone kill you because you have zero vitality, and no traits to cleanse or cleansing skills, your playing a poor build. Running a poor build is not a reasonable argument for nerfing anything.

It was an example, learn to read. A condi build can kite while causing damage, as soon as a power build starts kiting, he stops damaging. Simple fact. It’s where the “passive play” idea comes from, and no matter the stats, traits, foods and cleans (and skill) it’s why a condi build is slightly easier to play.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAT8YnEqAlsgtsA+CCctgBOhy/7B4w/XYxb4eYr0AokF1F-T1DFABVfEAOUlA70B0kyo2eAgmAAOIAFqqyVKBF4CAgkSjY2f4R1AcSJSiqQomGhAAIA38mZz2MYoDdoDdoDtbezhO0bO0SB41yI-w

This is the build i use in solo roaming, it’s probably the most versatile build you can have with high suvavibility and damage

I won’t explain much my choices (stats are quiet a personal feeling, you can change damage and toughness like you want) since the build speak for itself i think : lots of evades, lots of cleans, high boons duration uptime, perma speed, high mobility etc.

In top of that, you can’t loose vs thief, like, really. It’s a hard counter to condi builds (you’ll still have to pay a specific attention to high condi builds which can also steal your boons).

I know that our traits should be slightly like this but even as a ranger, i also fight other rangers. From what i see all heroe rangers who doesn’t care of their pets and use GS to run would go Marksmanship, Skirmishing and WS with signets mostly.

- Why do you give them so much damage buffs for free ? Penetrating Stikes and Hunter’s Tactic are too strong and unjustified.
- Why do you give them access to retaliation ?
- Why do you give them boon share for free ?
- Why do you give them movement speed without sacrificing anything ?
- Apply Poison seems to be here to give them acces to poison… for free.
- Too much passive cleans, EB is too strong.

Also, NM lost half of its purpose (boon share) and the buffs are very shy, like Companion ’s might, while half of the traits remain useless.

Dusk.4708:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vNAQNAR8XnUqA1CilsAusAUtgh/gaf9MIA6+tG2hPN+hhvgNVA-TlSDABcfRAe4JAEouhoUGIkSMvUCap6PQp0489HAwETAAEAazgUARs1C-w

as title says, need some other rangers opinions on this build. Trying to get into melee ranger after seeing a few roamers whooping some tail with it in WvW.

You’ll safly make your WvW dailies and kill the squishiest. Otherwise you’ll just have endless fights wich makes no sens really while roaming.

Also i don’t feel that MS is a really good idea. You took MoC while you already have 3 break stun and can easily swap the elite for stability. The second thing i can see is that you’ll be perma fury so you won’t regain OS that much. You should think about Skirmishing, very good minors, with PR, Strider’s Defense (you have the tools to get around your target) and Quick Draw. Birds would help you to make a little more damage and you should swap some toughness to damage stats.

Lazze.9870:

Good news!

Weird how dagger #4 didn’t make the cut though.

I am glad that Anet listen to us but yeah, did they really forget stalker’s Stike ?

blitzkrieg.2451:

I watched the same video, he dodged because that is a burst ele with s/f, and if he gets teleport bursted he will die. It’s called anticipation, not random dodging. If you fight a thief and engage him, you dodge sometimes at the beginning in ANTICIPATION of him stealing from you, but the dodge is far from random. Please know engagement rules against first burst classes. BESIDES, this whole argument is irrelevant. You’re most likely a bad player and if you want to duel me in game to prove something then just do it. I got all day to duel. Show me how good you actually are instead of spouting in the forums because until then I’m tired of responding to trash players who are bad at this game.

The vid is juste an exemple. When you anticipate something that doesnt happen, you waste your dodge period. Even the best players can waste their dodges, that’s all am saying. It’s like the list of simpleton évidences you’re talking about wich roamers are plainly aware of.

I am just a ranger roamer for 3 years ankitten ot talking about myself.

Since the beginning you’re off topic and now you turn this into a western movie. Funny Guy.

blitzkrieg.2451:

borya.2964:

blitzkrieg.2451:

[…] they count dodges , they don’t random dodge, they don’t double dodge.

This is so wrong, really. Even the best pvp players can waste their dodges or dodge twice in row, virtually dodging nothig. In fact, it’s quiet usual.

Actually it’s not, you need to practice not to waste dodges against top tier players because they count them. You’re a fool if you think otherwise and you’re definitely a fool if you think top tier players waste dodges half hazardly or intentionally. You simply can’t in top tier so your entire statement about top tier players (have you ever even fought one before? im starting to question this from your statement alone) is completely false.

You can go to twitch and watch top tiers and watch them stream, they even make fun of players who do it constantly and you will never see them waste a single dodge because they can’t afford to. Now, this isn’t explicitly saying WvW players can’t do the same thing, it’s just almost all of them don’t. Which is sad.

Couple things you’ll need to understand before even attempting to fight a top tier pvp player from Abjured/TCG or wherever is this:

1. Don’t waste dodges and count their dodges appropriately and if they use Energy sigil which is easy to figure out from first encounter alone
2. Condi cleanse priority – most wvw players don’t even know this, and most low-mid tier pvp players don’t either, but it’s huge, and definitely if you run a condi or cele hybrid build for embedding strong conditions over weak ones.
3. Environmental awareness for +1’s
4. Pretty much understanding every trait for any common build that exists per class, you need to play them, understand them and understand the core weaknesses against a top tier player. Normally, even seasoned wvw duelers haven’t even touched more than 3 classes , this doesn’t slide in top tier and simply won’t work.

Most wvw players don’t even cover half of these , no need to when you have stats and food to make up for the spaces that you’re lacking.

The only cheese builds in PvP used in top tier is cele ele and insp mantra shatter mes and even THEN you can’t just roll one up and expect to beat a top tier player because they know everything about the build and it’s weaknesses. Also, cele ele is only godlike still right now because of burning damage. It’ll be nerfed, whether it’s the application of eles/guardians or burn dmg across the board who knows but it will for sure be nerfed down somehow.

There are a lot of different mechanics that relies on dodge, a mesmer would dodge to get a clone, a guardian to heal, an ele to create an attunement, a ranger to get protection or remove poison, an engi to proc a bomb etc. And some classes and builds can relies on weapon skills or skills to actually evade, some others can have high vigor uptime or uses energy sigils etc.

That being said, like i said even the best pvp players (same goes for roamers) can random dodge, waste a dodge and sometimes dodge twice in a row, virtually dodging nothing, wether in 1 vs 1, 1 vs x or small scale fights. There is nothing to prove. Everyone can watch on youtube some of the best spvpers, roamers or tournaments to see that it happens a lot more than you think.

Just Watched a vid of Magic Toker (i don’t know this guy) : fisrt 15 seconds of the vid, engaging an ele, random dodge.

Some of the best roamers played all classes, knows every animations and icons, they can count Cd etc (same goes for the best spvpers). It s ’only a few players, not matter the game mod.

Some of the best players in this game are roamers and barely played pvp (and some others spvpers barely play wvw). Your statement is absurd, you can continue your monologue, there is no debate.

blitzkrieg.2451:

[…] they count dodges , they don’t random dodge, they don’t double dodge.

This is so wrong, really. Even the best pvp players can waste their dodges or dodge twice in row, virtually dodging nothig. In fact, it’s quiet usual.

I agree with the OP. Outside of GS, Sword, Dagger, signet, taited shouts, LR, WH and QZ, Rangers are very slow, i wish we could at least use sigils and runes to help.

Hey,

Since the patch i worked, like everybody else, on a new build trying to keep the features i had in the previous one.

I swapped my runes of the Pack, since i have more access to fury, for the runes of Lyssa. I adjusted the stats mostly with zerker, knight and cavalier gear and trinkets (assassin LB, valkyrie coat and shoulders & soldier dagger). I still play dagger with mostly Hawk and Lynx to compensate the bleed nerf and even without the radius and range it’s a weapon that really fit my playstyle. I use the same sigils : Fire and Generosity in LB, Bloodlust in sword and Cleansing in dagger.

The build is 0/0/6/6/6 (am working on a 0/6/6/0/6 one) :
- Oakheart Salve/Ambidexterity/Wilderness Knowledge
- Bountiful Hunter/Evasive Purity/Protective Ward
- Resounding Timbre/Wilting Strike/Zephyr’s Speed

I use Bowl of Napolitos Saute to maximise all the boons i have from traits, runes and utilities.

Vid : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UikU7U_FcoY

I am still working to adjust some details to get more synergy i guess, all advices are welcome.

There is no reason to make it baseline, but it must be in the different traits. OHT has always been here and rangers need it. What’s wrong with Anet ? Seriously.

Same for me, 3 k toughness on my sword/dagger weapons set and i almost feel squishy.
WvW looks out of control, they didn’t reworked foods and utilities, runes etc, they said they would remove WvW stacks but they kept it… Anet just mad half the job and this laziness is really frustrating.

mistsim.2748:

the bonfire range nerf was too much. please bring it back to 240, same as the traps.

Or how to transform the excitement into massive frustration.

Same with dagger, Stalker’s Stricke become kitten ridiculous. It’s even worst in a power build, the bleed damage from Crippling Talon is now nerfed to oblivion and the weapon have no damage, the survivability purpose, at least, of the dagger need to stay. Give us back the range and radius.

Strategist.6132:

Please also don’t see this as a hate post that ranger is too overpowered in general or something. I am just wondering what you think about this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophasis

The subject have been discussed dozens of times. You don’t know how to deal with RF and you make the same mistakes over and over again. You could have just asked for some tips but you want a nerf. This is a boring cliché.

At this point, like Lugh said, wait the next patch (and watch youtubers, there are plenty of thieves).

Playing Sword/Dagger, LR, Natural Vigor and Companion’s Defense i had, for a long time, the luxury to waste a dodge to repositionning or simply proc Protection (actually dodging nothing) half the time with no penalties. I’ll need to loose this bad habit for sure now. Evade Ranger will still be a thing.

*Signet of Renewal

There is no reason for your pet to take other conditions oustside of AoE conditions.

Passive : Cures a condition from yoursel and your pet every 10 s (no radius).
Active : Cure all conditions from yoursel and nearby allies (600 radius for allies). Conditions Removed 12. Break Stun. 60 s CD.

Considering that it affects allies and break stun, i can’t see a CD reduction.

*Warhorn

The only two based weapons skills that transfer conditions are two necro ones. It could be a trait but we already have one.

*Protect me

Blind your foes ( 6 s ). Number of targets 5, radius 240. You an your pet gain Protection and Resistance ( 6 s ). Break Stun. 45 CD.

Wuselknusel.4082:

Yamsandjams.3267:

Levetty.1279:

Shouts not touched.

Actually, guard did get it’s cast time removed, which is quite nice for shout builds.

Wonderful. So the only build ever utilising Guard! as a way to get swiftness got slightly buffed. if that isn’t something!

You can use Guard in different builds, it have been used fisrt in condi regen builds but you can also make pewpew regen build you know… or perma swiftness pew pew ranger build.

Shouts are better now i would say. You can use both the new NV trait AND the new SOTF trait. Using BM and NM give more sinergy, with Runes of the Trooper, HaO is know a shout (burst heal + one condi removal / Swiftness and regen), Guard (no more cast time) to maintain the said boons, remove a condition every 12 s and grant stealth AND perma protection to your pet possibly with Bark Skin (93 % less damage for the pet above 90 % health) and Oakheart Salve (5 % less damage with regen). You can make a better use of Protect Me. On the top of that, you can also take traited survival skills like LR or Etangle and a traited WH.

0/0/6/6/6 front line support pew pew Ranger.

“If that isn’t something!”

Sebrent.3625:

Our only sources of cleanse are in Wilderness Survival, eh? What about…

• Healing Spring
• Signet of Renewal
• Brown Bear
• Evasive Purity

There are also runes and sigils if you’re truly concerned about it … several options.

So this is the crap I’m talking about with regards to your posts saying things that simply are not true. Wilderness Survival is obviously not our only source of cleanses.

*Healing Spring is now a trap so it would probably change the way Rangers are currently using it.
*SoR is okay.
*BB, when u use his F2, the BB run the target before to clean, worst ranger clean ever.
*EP is okay (longer CD).

Runes and Sigils works for all classes, but (core for now) Ranger is the class with quantitatively less cleans and ways to deal with condi in the game and the only class with his two major clean traits in the same GM slot. Qualitatively speaking it’s not better, SoR and EB kills our pets (both can miss cuz of the radius) and using SOTF, assuming you run a full bar of survival skills (wich is not really good), give you two cleans per skills, half on offensive skills with pretty long CD (20, 36, 48 s). TO becomes the best one.

I like the changes (and i am exited like everybody) and i am not worried that much about the cleans, i’ll find a way since it’s one of the roamer’s priority. But we can still keep lucid about this and leave out the bad faith.

Manekk.6981:

Medi guards can be quite horrible to face but I find worst is reflect warriors they are totally unbeatable with a longbow.

It reminds me a duel where the War get the stealth for my HS at the worst moment and then stuned an bursted me do death from behind. Epic fail.

Assuming that a pew pew Ranger uses a LB and Power as main damage stat (i mean that i don’t especially talk about meta builds), condi builds are very easy to kill. One of my current roaming build include Generosity on LB, Cleansing on Dagger (LB, S/D), EB, TO and SoR. Even if it looks like an anti condi build (you can’t loose vs condi thief or engi etc) it’s also a very versatile build wich let you plenty of traits and utilities slots to also be effective against power classes.

Good S/D, SB thieves are just ridiculous, they just random dodges and evades everything and you virtually hit nothing (Bowl of Roasted Lotus Root or Loaf of Saffron Bread are good foods to use).

On a more personal note, i would say Mesmer and Ele cuz those are the two classes i never really tried. Otherwise i don’t have any troubles vs the other classes, no matter the build.

He use the Siamoth : http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Forage_%28siamoth%29. So, Hunter’s Shot, Throw Feathers or Blind Tuft, Hunter’s Shot again.

The gap is cuz he use Sword/dagger and Lightning Reflexes. His build is pprobably closed to the meta power LB one, but without greatsword and Troll Unguent instead of Healing spring. He have no cleans, maybe EB.

Nothing Special on weapon swap CD.

Pretty sure at least of this : http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQNAT8YjEqUwaDLusQ1aAOhaTvAgXwOiiA-w

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

They just need to have the Mistlock Instability: Playing Favorites effect on them. Mechanic is already in the game, simply cut and paste the code onto Ranger pets.

I didn’t know this. It’s a very good idea, indeed.

Aomine.5012:

I think Toxsa is just trying to show how absurd Warrior and Ele forum people are, asking for so many powerful things to be baseline because “it’s too good and everyone’s using them, thus limiting our build diversity” as excuses. Surprisingly Anet actually listen to them sometimes. That’s why we rangers really should learn from those Warriors and Ele. They become the Top of food chain probably because they whine the loudest, showing solid community bond, and raises Anet’s attention.

Signets, immo removal on LR, protection on dodge and so on (can’t remember all)… Anet is listening for reasonnable changes, even if it take time. And from all i can read in the Ranger forum, the proposals are often serious and argued.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

I think mostly that Rangers are like that because they are generally logical people who care about balance.

I agree. Let’s keep those whining threads away from here.

Toxsa.2701:

1.) Wilderness Survival is not a trait, if you’re talking about Wilderness Knowledge i really can’t see a trait that improve an entire set of utilities becoming baseline.

2.) I am insane i guess. Max range and velocitiy should be baseline, it’s quiet enough.

3.) Quick Hand doesn’t exist, if you’re talking about Quick Draw, there is no sens to make a truly new GM trait that we really need to test baseline.

Make those 3 GM baseline is absurd. Y’oure not going to compete with this whinning threads if you’re not serious.

Tragic Positive.9356:

And we already explained that the pet always casts the abilities at targets you told him to or at the place he currently stands at.
Easy, simple and complex as that.

To be fair, it’s not that easy and simple.

borya.2964:

It’s not a simple matter of AoE, it depends if the F2 is also an attack (it make damage). The Wolf fear, for exemple, is an AoE and an attack so if you use it when your pet is on passive, he will reach the target an then will activate the ability, it’s an attack order, basically.

If the F2 is a non attack ability, the pet will activate it at his current location before to reach the target, like the Fern Hound.

This is the general rule when you have a target.

When you don’t have a target, non attack order F2 act the same. Problem is, when most of the time an attack order F2 wil be activated at the current pet location, sometimes the pet will still run a target before to activate it. This is quit boring when it come in a 1 vs 2, when the pet run to the second traget instead of fear the one who is attacking you in closed range.

anduriell.6280:

This kind of erratic behaviour in the pet defines this class, most skills/traits are random and not reliable.

My pets are always on passive, except in 1 vs 1 with non condi build, and i am also a Guard user. I only use the Wolf and the Siamoth. Both will open with the knockdown skill with F1 and Guard (100 % sure). If i use first the F2, the next skill is not necessarily the knockdown one. It’s all i need to know. It’s not that hard to take some time in a PVE area to see how your pets work.

That being said, the mechanic could be better for sure and it’s probably the time to make some proposals : https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/F2-button-for-Stolen-Item-skill-usage

Draeyon.4392:

Sometimes the pet will just stop and activate its F2 and other times I have to play the F3 F2 game where I try to get my pet to remove target and then CC.

It’s not a simple matter of AoE, it depends if the F2 is also an attack (it make damage). The Wolf fear, for exemple, is an AoE and an attack so if you use it when your pet is on passive, he will reach the target an then will activate the ability, it’s an attack order, basically.

If the F2 is a non attack ability, the pet will activate it at his current location before to reach the target, like the Fern Hound.

There is at least one exception with the Brown Bear who will reach the target even if his F2 is not an attack.

Tragic Positive.9356:

Not to mention that like every single skilled Ranger holds his pet on passive waiting for opportunity to send him to attack, mostly starting with F2 ability
Your idea would make your life comfortable (because you are bad at pet management) and would ruin it for the rest of us.

No need to be that rude, his proposal already exists but it only depends if the F2 is an attack order or not.