Guild Wars 2

1 -2 -3 stage % extra dmg.

1 -2 -3 stage % extra crit chanse.

I dont see any difference on my stats when iam on full rage or no rage.

And i dont see much difference on my dmg either.

I have taken the trait on and off to test.

without % dmg trait. 1090 – 1250 dmg crits. rifle. lvl 80 dolyak in frostgorge.
With % dmg trait + 3 stage rage, same dmg.

And crit % trait.
without.. 71 %.
With 3 rage + trait. 71 %.

How hard can it be.. is a 2 – 5 minute work.
(its a few seconds work if they are familiar with their own database, wich they should)…

Find class. find class traits. find bowstring trait.
read the trait.. "increase range by XX%. and reduce dmg by XX%..
Remove negative dmg part.. Save. Done.

Wow sooo hard.

Might be in the wrong section of the forum.. but who knows.
What does all these minor updates do ???

Today i added another 50 MB to my game. And nothing to read about What was done.
(not counting all the other countless minor updates)…

Are we getting stealth buffs / nerfs all over all classes ???

Are they putting in Patches for future realese ?
Like only activating on specific days…

Is it hard to put an official quick info from the devs ?
“we are putting in smaller updates from time to time, instead of one big”.
“We fixed some bugs – Info here:…”

I want to see what is happening… or am i alone to want this information about the game iam playing.

Right now its like taking your car to a workshop. getting it back the day after and you have no idea what they did, only giving a paper: “we did some things”… …

what rainbow said.
You are not a tank.. not a healer. not a dps.
So what are you ??? good question. but i call my guardian a boon bot… go figure.

Why i went back to my warrior and specced into boon hunter.
Its alot of fun. have seen 3 k autoattacks with my axe on some guardians atm =)
And my healing passive is the same or stronger.
225 + 350 ticking all time on me. (signet + adrenaline specc).

Good luck on your guardian tho.

TheGuy.3568:

Hmm if you just want to hit 80 craft it out. Leveling is leveling your fastest options are axe and GS. You can level with what ever weapon set you like but if time is an issue crafting would be the fastest followed by full (I guess strong gear at that level) Power, Precision, Crit Damage, with Axe and GS. Cookie cutter dps traits of course. Once you hit 80 use what ever weapon you like.

Take some advice save yourself the trouble and craft it out. Each craft to 400 equals 10 levels. If not eat the boredom and get done with the leveling quickly.

Ahh you did ask about hammer. Um here

Unless he is a milionair. and can buy gold via gems.
Crafting to lvl if it is his first char. is impossible.

Other than that, yes. crafting is fast. (if you can afford it)

Try axe main hand.. mace offhand. I use this at 80 now, realy fun.
you get 2x vulnerability stacking. + you can have 3 cc.
1, bull charge.
2, axe slowing.
3, Mace offhand knockdown.

When i start i usualy go with the mace knockdown and throw the axe as i run towards mobs / players. (when they get up they are slowed).
then i use bullcharge if iam too far away still..
When i catch the target i use both Vulnerability skills to stack up 8 right away.
Then just hack them to bits.. you also get the F1 execution skill on axe in mainhand.

And then you can get even more mobility or cc with your weapon switch.

Before, i used Axe / Axe and hammer as lvling. also fast. but less cc and vulnerability.

Jarvis.9540:

So, I am just getting my guardian up to 80, and I can’t decide between these two. I run a very crit-intensive AH build (0-0-30-30-10) using mostly GS & Staff. I plan on doing everything the game has to offer. I’m not obsessed w/ DPS, so I was leaning towards Knight’s to give me the balance I am looking for to survive while still letting me run support & keep crits coming for more might/vigor buffing and AH heals. I’ve also heard some people run a mix of the two. Would I be better off going in that direction? Say, Knight’s armor w/ Berserker jewelrly? Any advice is very appreciated.

I have seen 3.5 – 4 k crits with my fireball on berzerker guardians.
they explode, its realy funny.

Boons are the only thing keeping the guardian viable, and alive.

Why do you think all these ppl come out now spitting on the floor and looking angry
the second thief is getting boon stealing.. and warriors do more dmg against boons.

You are saying you can stay alive.. without boons. well.. Good luck with that.
Please make me a video of your guardian, using no boons, and staying in middle of fights, or even roaming…OH.. and dont use dodge to heal.. so… go on.. good luck.

Guardians are a Boon bot. plain and simple. no boons up ?, you are crap.
you losing your last braincells reading it… sorry. but its the truth.

And elementalists are getting Nerfed on the DD.
And i think thats GREAT.

And my warrior is going to get a respecc to kill booners.

And to reply the *Loseridoit

A-net want to make it into E-sport ??? Seriously ?

“Ok people, here we have XnameX.. He is playing the Boon bot.. sorry, Guardian!!!!”…

“OH LOOK AT THAT, he just shouted up all his boons, and now he is running around Dodgeing to heal his friends… And now, he is running towards his backline again ???
“yes, he just putted up all his boons, and used all his energy to dodge 2 times in row to heal, Now he have to wait for CDs on boons again… “WOW, he is good”………

another idea just popped in my head. of a great way to make shield guardians good at front line.
If you hit enemy, it remove boons.

Myself, i whould rather see this:
“Ok, we have 2 vs 2 here. guardian + elemental is facing of against 2 warriors,
The goal for the warriors is to kill the elemental fast to stop his nuking…
But they have to watch out for that Guardian, they can realy defend an area or friend good with their CCs.

“Ohh, look the warriors are attacking from 2 directions, this will be interesting.

“the guardian just used his sword skill to leap towards a warrior, blinding and rooting him.. giving valuable seconds for the guardian to now run to the elementals aid…
The guardian used a sigil to root the warrior so the elementalist could get away.

“but now, both warriors are charging towards the elementalist…
“Look, the guardian used his shields AoE knockback for close targets, and at the same time give the elemental the protect buff for a few seconds.

etc etc.. active game playing is what i whould want to see. not Boon boting.

Syn.3459:

i’m going to be honest with you i’ve only hit 80 about 3 days ago (but had badges for full 80 gear) and i’ve got to say, if we had a higher hp pool we would be unbeatable, if the cooldowns of out defensive ability’s were to be shortened we would be irreplaceable

guardians are one of the best classes to bring group utility with there buffs and heals while still outputting a fair amount of damage, i’ve never felt more helpfull to my pvp raids and i main a mesmer

Its great that you find Boon boting fun.

I dont. I prefer to play an Active defender. Wich i cant at the moment.

Trinity is actually a very stupid design. A tank that just stands there and soak damage? I thought bosses should be able to easily slaughter tanks.

This game forces all players to be active in comparison to tank, heal, dps and repeat raids.

I have to admit, Anet did some bad game designs.

Defiant – get rid of it or replace it

Trinity is the best way to make a balanced game to start with.
Then after you have the balance solved.
*Tanks are REALY hard to kill, have good Active defense skills, and medium dmg.
*Long Range dps are strong at that, and weak in melee with low hp.
*etc etc.

The common thing, you sacrifice survival, to get ranged skills. or other way.

After this Core balance is made.
You can start being innovative. and walk away from the trinity.
Giving people weird choises like Dagger/Dagger to elemental.
(just dont over buff it, as they have done)

And yes. Tanks are there to take dmg / heat of your friends.
But to make it more active. Dont use taunt, or high aggro skills on tanks.
There are more fun ways to play Active tank.

Interupts, stuns, slows, AoE weakness, Knockbacks.. etc.

And since Shields are supposed to be a Defensive option…
you know, shield – block dmg. etc…
Shield CDs need to be reduced ALOT.

As it is now, if you use shield, you can be an active defender every 30 and 40 second.
(the 2 cds on it). i mean. seriously.

I hope every class get extra dmg against boons soon. or steal them.
That way, perhaps they can actually DO something to fix guardians into more active playing.

You are wrong…

Any designer that FORCES players to play a special way..

Is a BAD designer.

And if you look at the video interview. the one about the coming patch.

You can clearly see its bad designers / balancers.

When the players asked Questions. “Will you think about.. .. ..”.

They always asked.
“oh yes, we are thinking about that, and its in the future”.
(its a diplomatic answear, made to fool you. “ok they know about it”)…

They have no idea about their own game of how to balance it.
Simply because they started in the wrong end…

They started on the “innovative” end. and are working towards “trinity”.
What they should have done is the opposite. to make everything easier for themselves.

They have painted themself into a corner, and dont realy know how to get out………

Elite Fiery Greatsword is great for transportation.
And what i use it for.

FloXun.1456:

OP, what name find you more fitting than?

Better fitting name: Boon bot.

Thats what guardian is at the moment. nothing more.

They have one thing to think about.
“do i have all boons up”

are you realy sad you can no longer run around with perma 8 boons on you and your allies and not have a disadvantage ??

I say:
yes. please make this patch happen.
and also, give more classes the option to deal more dmg against boons.

Maybe, just Maybe. guardians can stop being the boring boonbot it is now,
And actually be a more fun Active guardian.

After all, IF a-net is making the only thing guardians are good at for the moment into a possible disadvantage. (being a boring boon bot)…
They also are forced to give something in return to compensate.

Better shields. Better defense traits. More real Guardian, simply more fun.

Give more classes the option to deal more dmg against boons.

Stop guardians having to play a boring boon bot playstyle.

Give guardians more Active defense skills
Better shields. Better defense traits. More FUN.

Lalnuir.4957:

eldain stenlund.4306:

LOL. i just read another thread, where they say boons will make you get hit harder…
And thieves will simply steal them.

So, you can not play active defender (too long cds).
And all you have is Boons.. permanent.

And now they want to make boons into a big Disadvantage.

As i said.. Why do they even call this class: Guardian.

Warriors are getting a grand master trait that grants them 3% extra damage per boon on you.

Thieves are getting an add on to flanking strike to steal one boon for one initiative and since flanking strike already costs 4 initiative it seems like the will be spending 5 initiative just to remove 2 of your boons. That’s assuming you get hit with both boon removing moves.
It’s only on on the sword dagger weapon set, how often do you die to a s/d thief? A s/d thief removing your boons will also struggle to have enough init to CnD and daze you often.

It’s hardly the end of the world.

I actually HOPE they make this nerf happen.
Maybe they fix Sword skills for thieves also at the same time, to realy get it to work.

as you said. how often do you die to a sword thief… buff it to give more viable weapon options for the thief.

I read other topics now as we close into patch.
As soon as it was “boons might get a Disadvantage”.

People came out spitting on the floor and look angry.

It just shows i was right from start.
Guardians arent guardians, they are simply boring boon bots.

And now… o please. I HOPE they make this patch into a boon disadvantage.
Because, that way A-net are also forced into making the guardian more Active on its defense. and not only have to care about.. “do i have all boons on me and my friends”.

I also REALY REALY hope they give this to other classes also.
“increased dmg against boons”

Amins.3710:

You know, what kitten es me off the most is that they completely nerf our survivability for larger group play in WvW, yet gave us nothing in terms of Escapability / Mobility.

It was bad enough we were one of the slowest classes out there and w/ one of the lowest HP Pools… but now they’ve taken away our defense too.

We will no longer be the player to make the initial push into enemy lines.

Might as well leave the “first in” for Ele’s…. right, an ele going in before a Guardian and living longer than a Heavy Armor Class… what a bad nightmare.

The talk about Guardians being Strong w/ their Boons and Defense, and that that’s how they want them to be… but to fell pressure when they don’t have those boons and defenses…. well, the just took them all away.

LOL. but… you said guardians are great. iam just a noob that doesnt understand how to play it.

But as soon as they hint about making boons into a possible Disadvantage.
You come out spitting on the floor and looking angry…

So, Basicaly you agree to what i have said all along. Guardians arent guardians..
they are simply Boon bots. and now they nerf that.

Some people are funny.

Anyways. Hopefully this will give guardians more FUN ACTIVE defense skills, and not only have to run around applying boons all time.

Better shields… Better Defense traits.
Better feeling to actually be a guardian, and not a boon bot.

I hope they give more classes the option to deal more dmg the more boons there is on a player.

LOL. i just read another thread, where they say boons will make you get hit harder…
And thieves will simply steal them.

So, you can not play active defender (too long cds).
And all you have is Boons.. permanent.

And now they want to make boons into a big Disadvantage.

As i said.. Why do they even call this class: Guardian.

This is the problem, Guild wars 2 does not have a holy trinity. This means every class must be viable at any given department. If not, it shuts a class down or have them at a severely disadvantage. Your argument of having the choice to play another profession goes null here since every profession should be viable be it ranged be it melee.

what i have said also, over and over. A-net have painted themself into a corner.

They dont want people to be able to specialize too deep.
dmg/ tank / healing. You should play all in one.

And at same time, they dont give everything available to all classes.
As that whould just make 1 class. and one class whould be kinda boring.

SO.
They dont want trinity. And they dont want everyone to be able to do everything.
so… What do they realy want.??

Simply put: They have created a big mess. And now they dont know how to solve it.

Making ranged better is easy.. just fix the now slow scepter.
Make faster movement speed on the energyballs it cast.

very simple fix to a start in the right direction.

(Its a fix that should take like 2 min to fix, if even that).

“guy sit down at computer…
look for class database – find guardian class – weapon sets – scepter –
scroll and find Autoattack – scroll to find energyball movement speed – increase value – save – done”.

Shootsfoot.9276:

This post can’t possibly be for real.

Ah yeah, nevermind. Looked over his posts and see everybody is scratching their heads at him in the Elementalist forums, too.

Yes, i play Elemental also. And Warrior, Ranger, Engineer. at 80 with exo gear.

I play staff elemental. Fire mainly.
Dagger/Dagger, meleeing with a cloth user ?… most stupid design ever.
And good thing they will nerf it in patch.

I guess iam not playing the Elemental as i should. as iam playing staff and fire.
“Boo, your soo bad player, you need to use all atunements”.
No, they suck for dmg. i have made my elemental into a staff ranged nuker.
I have seen 4k+ crits on autoattack sofar in wvw.
(oh, and its without food buffs and such)

Wonder how long A-net will allow that.
“OMG OMG, hes not playing as we design, he is trying to use Trinity to be something we forbidd…Blasphemy.. Heretic.. Suspend him”

And yes, i still think guardians arent a real guardian class.
No real active defensive playing. Shield is crap with its too long CDs.
Just Boons… Boons. Boons… a buff bot, thats all they are.

Boons, wich other classes also gives.

Danicco.3568:

In PvE, 10k health is manageable (my MF gear has no vitality at all), but is kinda annoying in my opinion since I can’t pull big packs.

But that’s what you get though for having a 58% Crit Chance and probably 100%~ Critical Damage…

10 k hp.. What the hell.

I have more hp on my Elemental.
I have 49 % crit 99 % crit dmg. 13.5 k hp.
And i have seen my fireball (autoattack) deal 3.5 k crits in wvw against squishy targets.
COOL.. i can 3 hit you with my autoattack.

And you have 10 k on Guardian. ??
kitten your class is so fecked up. Good luck.

I dont have those old games or computers left sadly.

But i do have a commodore 128. with kassete, and discdrive. (big floppy)
working. and old original game: Pool of Radiance.
(and some other).

Should be somewhere in the storage.

To the others.

Guardians are not perfect as they are.
They are very much flawed, and not a real Guardian class.
There is nothing “protective” “guarding” “defensive” about this class that seperates them to the others.

Boons ? you get that from other classes also.

When i play a protective class. I want to have active play style.
Hard to kill, while Harrassing the enemy in the front line.
Knockbacks, Interupts, Slows, AoE weakness, Stuns etc.

Iam talking about PvP and WvW.

pve is braindead enough as it is.

If A-net Doesnt like the Old and proved to be working GOOD way… Trinity.

Why do we even have different classes and roles ?
Its clear that you are not allowed to specialize deep into a class and be Strong at just:
Defense. Support. Range dps. Melee dps. Healing.

wonder when they will nerf warrior dps, they are realy realy good at that,
a.k.a Speciality.

I had alot of fun in WoW, playing a tankadin in pvp.
I was what you call. Guardian. Hard to kill. Great Support. Medium dmg.

I had alot of Fun in Warhammer Playing chosen tank.
Hard to kill. Great Support. Medium dmg

I had alot of fun in Swtor playing Juggernaut.
Hard to kill. Great support. Medium dmg.

Please. fix symbols and shields. make the guardian class a real guardian.

Lalangamena.3694:

several ways the guardian guards its party members
1) protection boon which gives the party members 30% damage reduction.
2) aegis boon, which blocks incoming attack on all party members.
3) stability, which guards the party members from all kinds of wicked CC .
4) wall of reflection, protect the party members behind the wall from all projectiles.
5) sanctuary, protect the party members from “foes and projectiles”
6)shield of the avenger, protect the party from damage inside the shield
7) protectors strike, protects nearby allies with shield (small AOE block around the guardian)
8) shield of absorption, push back foes and protect allies from projectiles.
9) ring of warding and line of warding, protects the party members from enemies.

probably more, but i am to lazy to write everything….

1) protection. People move around. making symbols on ground crap.
2) aegis boon. 60 and 90 Sec CD. for 1 hit use each. any kind of hit.
3) stability. 30 sec cd. 5 sec use. Useable.
4) wall of reflection. Above, and Side still vulnerable. and people move.
5) sanctuary. 2 MIN CD ??? for 6 second use.. seriously.
6)shield of the avenger. 60 second cd..
7) protectors strike. First attack, you or ally get, it disapears.
8) shield of absorption 40 second CD.. for 4 sec shield… crap.
9) ring of warding. to slow animation. need a root to make it work, hence obsolete.

Thats what i see.

Guardian is a false name for this class.

The class is based around a few shouts. (some good some bad).
And symbols on ground.

I have played around with the traits, larger symbols, more dmg on symbols,
symbols heal, symbols cause vulnerabiltiy… etc etc.

Symbols are pure crap when placed on ground.
the second you step outside it. you will lose your boon you get from it within
1 – 2 seconds.

So what good is it to buff up symbols… If i cant use them to max ??

“then dont use symbols” “root enemies in them”.
still doesnt make grounding symbols less flawed.

Can i lock them in myself ?
Ring of warding lasting 5 seconds… switch fast to hammer. it takes 3.5 – 4 seconds to put the symbol down from hammer… 1, 2 hit… …. … … 3 hit symbol.
And if the enemy use stability, he just walk out.

Can i root them myself ?
hammer chain skill root 2.5 seconds.. even worse than the ring.

I have tried increased boon duration gear + traits.
I have tried “tank” gear. (vital / though).
I have tried Hammer.
I have tried. Shield. you know. GUARDian. should make sense, but doesnt.
I have tried. Scepter. Ranged, safe support. Cant hit for crap. slooow.

Iam not going to try:
GS dps. (I have my warrior doing atleast 4 times more dmg).
Focus. 45 second Cd.. to take 3 hits. (any hit).

Simply put. This far.
I dont find anything about this class to LEGALY name it Guardian.

akamon.2769:

if you’re open to advice, i’d say a lot of great Guardians
moreover, i’m actually curious to hear what you have to say about other classes then. don’t mean any of this in a demeaning manner, so if it comes across that way, please forgive.

Please dont be a polititian towards me. (i hate polititians).
I prefer people to be straight, and say what they want. blunt or not..

About other classes.
Well, iam an old gamer. since first real computer games. you know. Pong.. etc.
Up untill today, so i have probably played a few thousand games in total.

I have (and iam probably not alone).. special plans for when i pick different classes.

*Elementalist. Master of four elements. (fire, water, air, earth). so naturally i think.
Spell slinger. Fireballs, Firestorms, Earthquakes, Magic weapons. etc. cool.
But it turns out its not realy like that..
“go dagger/dagger noob”… something new to a mage class is fun and all. but..realy ??

*Guardian. The strong defender of your friends. Your champion. etc.
So i expect it to be a very strong guard based class, where you have alot of options to REALY defend and protect your friends. Control of your surroundings.
but, thats not what i found.
Instead it was:
Low hp.
Low armor.
Buff Bot to random people in the AoE.
Long Cds on the few Active defenses you do have. 40 seconds.

I heard, and saw a few early vids of guardians having same hp as warrios.
People said they were hard as hell to kill.
well DUH. they are guardians, they should be hard to kill.

BUT… what A-net did wrong was giving HP without sacrificing dps.
so, naturaly an early guardian, 25 k hp, dmg reduction, minor healing, + DPS. Is OP.

What i whould suggest for A-net, to make guardians a real Guard.
And its not much different than it is now. just 2 new traits. and a working shield.

*20 point honor trait: While using shield, increases HP by XX %.
*30 point valor trai:. While using shield increases armor by XX %.
*Reduce CD on shields… ALOT. have them at.. 15 seconds atleast. not 30-40.

This whould give you a chanse to realy be a frontline guardian.

Can it be OP ? if you weapon swith ? i dont think so no.
the second you whould switch from your shield, you lose your extra armor and hp
and be as squishy as you were before using it.

The best “guardian” classes i have played are from:
Warhammer, The Chosen.
Swtor, The Juggernaut.

Those were real guardians. Active skills to realy protect and defend.
Stuns, knockbacks, slows, AoE weakening, minor healing support, even a spell where you took 30 % of the dmg of the person you “guard”.

If i play a guardian, Shouldnt i be up in the front line defending my friends and support them with active skills ??

If my ideas i middle, is abit too steep.
Just making Symbols into AURA, instead of crappy ground.
Whould be a big step in the right direction.

But before this, its not a guardian class.
Its a Buff Bot, to random people. nothing more.
“Your a guardian, protect us”. Umm, sry, 40 second cd. come back later.
“Give us swiftness from staff you noob”.
“Give us might you noob”.
“Give us perma protection from hammer” – YE, if you tell the enemy to stand still.

Active gameplay, and pvp, can not have stationary buffs. (symbols).
Its not chess… Enemies arent standing still waiting for your move.

so my 30 point trait.. improve my dmg reduction signet with 2 % ???
Now thats a useless trait then.

And to my knowledge. Thoughness + Vitality IS tank gear.
I have thoughness on all my gear. still doesnt seem to help kitten.

I even tried using a shield to get those crappy extra 90 toughness and 90 armor.

To me, guardians seem to be what paladin was in early wow. Buff Bots, nothing more.
I can use staff to get 1 second short of perma 12 stack might to all allies.
That seem to be the best and only thing a guardian can do.

I tried:
scepter to stay at distance and buff my backline. scepter cant hit for kitten.
Mace + shield to run frontline and help.. doesnt help for kitten.
2 handed Hammer. to try help with dps and support… ground symbol crap….

Tried GS. Now here i could actually DO help, every 12 second.
I pull ppl close, drop my retaliation symbol. thats about it.

Tried staff.. to give ppl perma might. most boring playstyle ever. Buff Bot.

I dont get the name on this class.

There is nothing “guardy” about it.
You cant actively guard your friends, due to long CDs.

And the hp base ?

My warrior in full DPS gear. have 22 k hp.

My guardian in full defense gear. Power / though / vital. have 17 k hp…

Seriously ?

And the traits doesnt seem to work as they should either.
I get the Improvement in 30 p precision tree. you should double the dmg reduction.
It still says onlyy 10% reduced dmg.

Guardian ??

There is nothing he can do to be called “guard”

When i played swtor, i played juggernaut.
Now that class actually had an active Guard option to protect your friends.
(where you took 30 % of dmg).
It had a Slow attack, to let your friends get away, or keep enemy close.
It had a push attack, to interupt, and save your friends.

etc.

What The Hell is a guardians role in this game ??
Dance support ??

And symbols..
Why do i place those crap on the ground ?? It should be an aura.
In pvp. people dont want to stand still in your little fine AoE…

Easy.
but you need a big friend list.. just tell them to kill the DD for you =P

You play guardian.. you will never do “Big Damage”.
If you want dmg and heavy armor.. go warrior.

Only thing you can do, if you still want to play guardian and dmg.
Go full berzerk gear and GS.

you will not hit “BIG”, even with the gear tho.

I got my necro to lvl 40. then i played other classes to try abit.
At this time i also needed a new character spot free.. so i deleted my 40 necro.

Abit later, i got my gold fixed and bought up all character classes.
So i went to try necro again… it got to lvl 5……..

Then i felt: What The Hell is this crap.

Do i feel like an Evil necromancer ? not one bit.
More like a badly dressed circus animal trainer, and a bad trainer, as pets do what ever they want.

Why dont this zerg simply dodge roll up there and kill these 7 people.

Saving a full endurance = 2 dodges. = you land at their feet.

i use GS for transportation in wvw.
have to check in the leopard.

tested the leopard.. GS have better transportation. lasting alot longer.

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

I am a lvl 80 elementalist and I got all weapons and gear. Basically you need to prepare for any type of battle you’re gonna expect. In some dungeon instances the scepter-focus is the best choice, in keep battles its the staff. For wvw roaming its D/D and for general PvE content the S/D would probably be the best choice.
As for the stats/gear you choose should depend on your teammates. I often go full support D/D with 1k healing power when I team up with a team of glass cannons and I gear to rampager with S/F for dungeons where we have attleast one support oriented ally already. In WvW when I want to burst people down quickly without any regards to my life I go S/D full berserker with arcana slot-skills.

Learn to play and adapt, think outside the box before you start bickering about whats in the box.

So, you are saying: i need to do this in a dungeon.. or pvp. or wvw.

“STOP, i need to change everything before we go into the next room,
I have my support stuff on me, i need my dps now…
*room 1 cleared…

STOP, i need to change everything again. i need to get my AoE kit.(weapon,traits,gear)
*room 2 cleared…

STOP, i need to change everthing again…

by the 3:d stop.. you get kicked from the group.

Now, i could probably do all this in a dungeon.
(but it whould be stupid, and tiresome).

And in a pvp surronding. Your enemy is there to kill you.
You dont go boxing rounds, so you can not change gear mid fight because its going down wards.. you cant even change weapon.

Engineers have this working ALOT better with kits.
i can jump in and out of flamethrower for close range.. and elixir for long – close. and i can also turn them off for rifle or P/P or P/S… IN combat i can react and adapt.

Elementals are just fecked from start.
As i have said before… The class looks and sounds super awesome on paper,
But in game… its awhole other story.

This class is obviously badly implemented.

There are a ton of ideas on this forum, and hopefully also A-net have a few.
If they can fix it… lets look at the upcoming patch and see whats happpening.

paleeshi.1924:

eldain stenlund.4306:

You dont want to call the elemental a mage class.. so.. what class is it then ?

The class is called… Elementalist. <.< Of the scholar profession.

I don’t know why everyone is so hung up on all those words. You think that by simply calling it an elementalist or mage, it will define the class to its core and what it is and what it’s not. Just do it simple. Read the GW2’s class presentation.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/elementalist/
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elementalist

Scholars. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Scholar

Scholar. synonyms.

teacher, student, wizard. etc.

so we have: warriors, guardians, thieves, engineers, and then 3 students ??

Or do we have warriors, guardians, thieves, engineers, and then 3 wizards focusing on different fields.

I can guarantee you that A-net is not using the name Student, when looking at the class core.

and not matter how “innovative” they want to be, when you create a class wich can controll nature, energies, and dark forces around. they are a mage class in core.

and everyone knows this.. and expects this.
and when we then find the elemental class. (wich is a mage), Is working more like a magic using thief, because A-net decided to feel “innovative”.
then something is wrong.

Dagger/Dagger for all situations.. but keep guarding.. GREAT Innovation A-net…
whats next, innnovation for warrior: Dagger/Dagger. ???

Something along the way from Core —- Finished class, went bad.

I usualy hate when people get nerfed.
But in this case, i hope DD gets a realy strong one.

DD is the innovative way to play a mage.
But it should not dominate as it is now.

What? Your question doesn’t make sense to me.

realy ?

You dont want to call the elemental a mage class.. so.. what class is it then ?

Teevell.1684:

There is no mage in this game. If you want one, play WOW. Or DND online. Or Neverwinter or Elder Scrolls when they come out.

Elemental is not a mage, and most of the problems I read about on these forums come from people not leaving their previous MMO experience and preconceptions at the door.

I love my ele despite its flaws (and it does have them).

Just for fun.. what do you call a Master elementalist as class then ??
*Warlock ??
*Wizard ??
*Sorcerer ??
*Mage ??
*Elementalist ??
note. these are all mages.

If the commando is a april fools thing…
(wich it is, even tho our rifle warriors arent far away).

It also explains why i found the pictures of elementals using staff.
And not the dagger/dagger we see in game.
The Staff is just another april fools joke also…

I dont get why people ask for a pistol.. or rifle.. to a mage… realy ?.
Sling, Darts, Shortbows. can be used by a mage class as ranged weapon.
I think i have seen a few Light Crossbows also.. very rare.

Iam guessing these people whould like to see this Commando class in game also.
Modern day Commando, fitting in a fantasy, spellcasting, magical monsters. etc. etc.

If you want to destroy the game.. go ahead.

I hope you get them to release open source of GW2 also then, so i can make my own server of how it realy should be.
our elementalist is a real mage… a necromancer is truly a necromancer. etc. etc.

Note: I actually found this image (and there is more).. on Gw2 official website.
weird.
april fools or not.. rifle warriors we have now, is pretty close. rifle precursor + legend.
(its a good way to test player base. if they like, implement, if not.. april fools)

I found these on GW2 Official website.

These are the Official pictures to get peoples interest in the game.
And as well working as a wallpaper art.

Elementalist… Staff.

What i wonder is.. Why The Hell, did i find this commando. (and more pictures).
On GW2 official website…

Can we expect a Commando class later ???
Talk about destroying the game if they do.

If A-net is gonna destroy their game with a Command class.
can you please release GW2 as open source also then ? so i can make my own server without infringements… please.

I tried what claudia said on google.

Wizard = Staff and wands.. staff and wands. and a couple of guitarr wizards.
Mage = Alot of belly pictures. But, Mages had: Staff and wand, staff and wand.
Elementalist = GW2 IMAGES… STAFF. and barehands..

So i whould say staff outnumber daggers 1 / 1000. maybe even more…

But then again, Colin have said he feels “innovative”.
Wich might explain why the Elementalist, doesnt realy give the feeling of a Mage-class.

Personaly. Elite GS.
Is a transport item wich allow you to travel pretty fast from A to B.

Just avoid entering water.. or zoning.

I just read an interview with: Colin Johanson – game director of Guild Wars 2.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/03/07/how-guild-wars-2-plans-to-survive#

Colin wanted to be Innovative.
This is the answear to every question we might have.
And this is also why we have a few very messy classes.

Taking a Ferrari, and being innovative in GW2 style.
Put in a half skoda engine instead… = Better for environment.
Make wooden tires… = More natural material for recycling.
Put in a Ship steering wheel… = Enable great turning, just spin the wheel.
Remove 1 wheel… = Less friction = less fuel.
Remove the gearbox and put in a bicycle one… = speed limits you know.
Remove a door… = Air conditioning is great to have in a cold day.
Let a blind man repaint the car… = Its ART. what can go wrong.

Call the finished product: Innovative green car.
(Iam happy colin is not working for a car company, and i think they are too).

This is why i wonder why A-net doesnt simply say on class description.
What each weapon is supposed to be special at.

Whould make it easier for them also. “ahh yes, staff, its supposed to be _”

Right now its more of:
“Staff. i dunno. just give it abit of everything. should make ppl happy”.

covenn.7165:

Claudia De Anar.6304:

Some of you really need to play some of the older fantasy games. Daggers were one of the few weapons that mages were allowed to use. That and staff/fists/conjured weapons.

Also, the staff isn’t currently a “hardcore underdog” spec. It is made for groups/zergs. You have stun/chill/cripple fields and good aoe attacks as well as good heals.

I would not know, as another Mage pointed out above if all a Staff is good for is Group AOE. in WvW, then the Devs have not done their jobs or justice by the Iconic weapn of our Class, every Mage should have the option to Equip Staff.

Elementalists do not adhere to the classic ‘mage’ in other games at all. I am pretty sure this is intended, heh, as ANET did design them this way. The biggest problem I see is when people have a hard time accepting this and refuse to play the class as designed. The original poster is an example of that. Rather than play the class the way it was intended to be played, he would rather make repeated requests to change the entire class around the way ‘he’ thinks it ‘should’ work.

The same can be said for people’s preconceived notions about how they think a weapon ‘should’ work rather than how it ‘does’. Staff and Daggers are great, but I would agree with people that want to boost focus and scepter.

The devs did a great job with this class because it is actually fun to play and requires you to leverage attunement and ability cool downs while switching between roles multiple times in a fight. There is nothing wrong with the class as long as you stop trying to make it into something it isn’t.

Elementalists arent refered as a normal mage class.

Thats where the problem is.

If we create a mage class.
*Mesmer, Necromancer, Elementals.
we are creating it to be a range spell slinger in some way.
Thats what we expect it to be.

crap for survival. but a hell of a nuker.

A-net have more or less gone and said:
Ok people, how sad for you. you wanted your ferrarri to be a ferrarri.
News for you, the ferrarri have been moded into a skoda. Deal with it.

I get that some like a new twist, and to create melee mages just for the luls of it.

But, let the mage class be a mage class.

Under options. “Autotargeting”
Just De-select it.

And press escape to drop current enemy, and the way you face. is the way you go.
You can even go right beside him if you want. as long as you dont Hit him.

sabull
I run my full dmg.. and dmg only gear in wvw.
For maximum dmg, Wich is what iam after.
My defense is in my playstyle. not my gear, and i have a few “o crap” buttons if needed.

works nice for me, because as i use staff.. everyone expects staff to be the mediocre dmg specc.
They expect everyone to be using the higher utility and survival gear / specc.

But i can agree with paleeshi.
If the enemy is somewhat unware of you. starting in another element and doing the AoE combo… going thru all elemens untill you land in Fire.
You could make a good impact.

But it they are aware, landing AoE will be impossible.
They dodge straight tru it, or just move out of the way.

But i like the Idea of starting in another element and going up to fire.
Perhaps you can only land 1 of the other AoEs, before you realise, this isnt working.
You still have Fire access.

kubetz.3058:

eldain stenlund.4306:

Anyone have ideas how to make a Totaly Maximum healing set ??

Try this build: http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1aun6t/ive_written_up_three_diverse_elementalist_staff/c90waod

This looks interesting.