Guild Wars 2

Fun fact: The glitch you see is actually the texture file for the armor suspending in the air. For whatever reason. I have no idea why.

That’s not even considering the human comfort side of it. I have friends with my character’s chest proportions that can’t run or dance without wearing two sports bras.

Sir Kaboomski.1508:

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By the same line of reasoning, you can simply look at the icons for the skins in the BLTC Style section. The blue “skin” shows up only in the helmets of the light and medium. It’s completely missing everywhere else. You would think that if it were actually a part of the armor, they would show some draped spandex somewhere.

megakittytron.5971:

Well, since I already posted about how much I love this armor, my feedback would be to make the blue theme go away when the helmet is off or something; as suggested by another player here. I liked that idea.

That’s not a bad idea either, though you’d have to do something about the positioning of the boob cups on most of the armors since they’re way too low to cover anything up.

By the way, since I haven’t been clear on this yet: My solution to my grievance would be to remove the nipples from the normal map, increase coverage of actual metallic portions of the armor without reducing the gaudy aesthetic including covering the entire chest and belly (preferably) while maintaining visibility of the glowy blue skin.

Something more along the lines of Norn cultural T3 in terms of coverage, particularly of the torso.

Mikuchan.7261:

@ foofad

The cuffs are clearly in the end of the fabric, magic or not. The same for the collar.

That’s not an argument. That’s an unsubstantiated statement of opinion. I have given you actual examples where similar structures exist to the ones you are referring to, which you’re disregarding because they don’t satisfy you. I can’t do anything with “they are what I say they are because of reasons.”

Mikuchan.7261:

Again, you can’t use the implementation as an argument. See the counterargument about the armor layer armor that makes you completely nude with private parts.

Implementation is all we have. It’s not like Anet is telling us what they intend verbally. All we can do is look at the facts. And the fact is, that the character’s body appearance when wearing that armor uses the exact same portion of the texture file as the skin. There is no technical reason that I am aware of that they couldn’t have simply made the blue part exist on the same layer as the rest of the solid armor. Transparency is enabled on the file, not certain parts of the information contained in the file.

You’re essentially imposing an artificial limit on what we can talk about to suit your purposes without offering any sort of explanation for why you are correct in doing so. “You can’t talk about technical implementation because of reasons.”

Mikuchan.7261:

Yes, GW2 is full of magic. However if the skin was translucent you would see the intestines. If those were translucent as well, you would see right through the character. AND if that would be the case, you would still not “show skin” since there is no skin to show.

If it weren’t for the blue haze (starfield, sparkles, whatever you want to call it) you would see right through the character. The blue haze is an additional texture file. It works similarly to Twilight and Sunrise’s sky effect. Twilight and Sunrise actually have transparent blades.

Mikuchan.7261:

So now you’ve changed to trying the “enchantment” idea.
Well if you cover the whole body in an “enchantment” then that is not the skin but magic showing.
Since the “enchantment” obviously is contained in other parts of the armor as well and is contained only in the areas you have armor on (remove helmet = no blue face), it’s contained in a certain place and thus works just like fabric or steel or whatever you like to compare it to.
Magical or not, it’s an armor that covers your whole body.

There is no indication that I’m aware of that the blue part serves any practical function what so ever. There is plenty of evidence that whoever manufactures armor in Tyria doesn’t care about practicality at all, since a third or half of female armor features one or more gaping holes in vulnerable places, even going so far as to be completely exposed skin. Therefore I would contend that the fact that it is “zoned” is irrelevant to its actual use or function. If I were to guess as to the designer’s intent, I assume that it’s meant to be purely decorative and the protective part of the armor can be taken at face value as to be the parts that actually look like protective metal or clothing.

Mikuchan.7261:

Deal with it.

And arguing over the implementation does not help.

I’m perfectly happy to continue the conversation amicably, there’s no need to be dismissive.

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

It would only work both ways, if it was being applied to every part of the armor. As it stands, there are parts of the armor that are clearly not flesh, that look identical to the parts that you’re falsely claiming to be flesh.

You’ve already had another poster explain to you your faulty texture logic, no need for me to recount that.

That’s completely absurd.

In the construction of the shoulder plates, you would build the large, functional “cup” part that surrounds your shoulder joint, and then cast the Magic Sparkle Enchantment on the ornamental part, affixed to the functional part after the fact. Then you would cast it on your skin before donning the unenchanted parts of the armor. Done.

I don’t see anyone addressing my texture point. To be clear, I’m talking about this image, not the close-up of the medium armor.

No, it’s quite logical.

The weapons are made of Zodiac Material, the Shoulder and Head Armor are made of Zodiac material, but the body armor is just flesh converted to “Magic Sparkle”? Not logical.

Mikuchan addressed your texture fallacy on the previous page.

Of course it’s logical. It’s no less logical than Zodiac Material existing in the first place. You think a culture capable of making sparkly armor is incapable of creating the illusion of sparkly skin? The Human starting quests show you mesmers can make you look like entirely different people, 100% convincingly. Kasmeer isn’t actually wearing any clothes at all, they’re an illusion.

As for Mikuchan:

1. Remove the gloves and you see an edge of the suit with another kind of fabric at the end.
2. Remove the helmet and you have a clear collar that marks the end of the suit.
3. There are no protruding nipples, there’s merely a smooth bump. Look at any female breast and you will quite clearly see an actual protruding nipple and not a smooth bump.
4. When the armor breaks, your character quite obviously has underwear under it that is not shown with the armor on. Hence the armor must be on top of the underwear, which in turn is on top of the skin. Hence the armor is on top of the skin.
5. Did I mention my skin is not blue and not starry and will never be? I’m a human, my skin is skin-colored.

1. There are other armors that have cuffs. The existence of a cuff does not guarantee the existence of fabric above the cuff.
2. There are other pieces of armor that include neck-guards that have no link to other parts of the armor. See PVP Pitfighter, PVP Knight’s.
3. Normal mapping doesn’t actually generate additional geometry in the mesh. Normal mapping is a height-mapping technique which uses a flat image to simulate additional geometry. This image gives an example of what a mesh looks like before and after normal mapping. The image on the right, which has more detail, hasn’t actually gained any complexity – there are no more polygons in the right head than the left. It’s a simulation of a rough surface. I have never stated that the nipple exists in the character mesh. Because it doesn’t. It does exist in the normal map of the light and, more obviously, medium Zodiac chestpieces. Another example: Your character’s belly button isn’t actually a cavity in your character’s model. It’s flat. It just looks like it has depth thanks to the normal map. In other words, of course there is no bump. It’s not modeled. That doesn’t mean it can’t have the appearance and intent of being what it is meant to be.
4. Your underwear completely disappears whenever you wear any kind of clothing or armor. Despite having obvious cleavage, you don’t see a thick leather bra strap when viewed from the side. In other words, the absence of any underwear for this particular piece of armor doesn’t prove anything: It disappears every time, regardless of the kind of armor worn, and reappears in like fashion regardless of what you’ve just taken off. Additionally, your character actually looks like this when nude. Underwear is not a texture, it’s a piece of clothing which has actual geometry. This geometry sits on top of your character’s body mesh exactly like armor.
5. Irrelevant, GW2 is full of magic. You don’t cast spells in real life either. I’m not claiming blue is actually a flesh tone. I’m claiming that there’s nothing covering it and it’s simply skin that has been made translucent.

This is what I’m working with right now. I still need to work with the colors.

Ashadow.6874:

PLEASE DON’T TAKE THIS OUT OF THE GAME.

star.5296:

Ahh I love this armorrrD

I went on a screenie rampageee <3

I don’t think you have anything to worry about there. No one’s asking for it to be removed, that I have seen.

videoboy.4162:

It would only work both ways, if it was being applied to every part of the armor. As it stands, there are parts of the armor that are clearly not flesh, that look identical to the parts that you’re falsely claiming to be flesh.

You’ve already had another poster explain to you your faulty texture logic, no need for me to recount that.

That’s completely absurd.

In the construction of the shoulder plates, you would build the large, functional “cup” part that surrounds your shoulder joint, and then cast the Magic Sparkle Enchantment on the ornamental part, affixed to the functional part after the fact. Then you would cast it on your skin before donning the unenchanted parts of the armor. Done.

I don’t see anyone addressing my texture point. To be clear, I’m talking about this image, not the close-up of the medium armor.

videoboy.4162:

1. I don’t understand.

2. It’s not unprecedented. We were given new facial tattoos as items even though facial tattoos already exist for Norn.

3. There’s no reason why any magic that makes your flesh appear blue and translucent can’t also apply to other materials. You know what changes your eye color without needing to recustomize? Necromancer starting masks. You don’t even have to pay for that.

And you know, it doesn’t even matter what the actual material is. You look naked where there is no solid armor, and the entire point is that it’s unseemly to add yet another half-naked “armor” to the game. It doesn’t matter if you’re actually naked or if it’s some sort of skin tight Unobtanium Armor with painted-on nipples. Heavy Armor that only covers a fifth of your body doesn’t seem very heavy to me.

P.s. if it’s a skin-tight suit of some sort, why does the geometry of it perfectly conform to Sylvari skin ridges on the rough skin type? I mean, ignoring the fact that on humans it clearly doesn’t do things like obscure ribs and belly buttons. But the Sylvari ridges are very craggy and multi-faceted, with lots of pointy parts. You would absolutely have some smoothing out of the valleys unless it was vacuum sealed to your body.

1. Wearing the Zodiac Helms, the characters no longer blink or make any of their usual eye movements.

2. The facial tattoos are completely different from what I said. Tattoos in general are/were specific to the Norn race. The ability to change your flesh tone and eye color wasn’t. The facial tattoos also count as a helmet and not a skin change.

3. It doesn’t work both ways. Either the Zodiac material is flesh or it isn’t. You can’t pick and choose in an effort to support your claims.

The geometry doesn’t fully conform to all textures from any race. There are a few lines here and there that resemble the basic features of each race, but the vast majority of those features are covered by the armor. This is no different from real world armor that had basic body features crafted into them (including basic chest shapes). You can just look at the helmets to see just how many features are covered.

1. The helmet actually completely replaces your head model with one that doesn’t animate. I have no idea why.

2. It doesn’t matter if it’s eye color or tattoos. It’s a customization option that has been given in the form of armor instead of forcing you to go through the recustomization tool. If you’re still hung up on tattoos, you know what else exists? Necromancer face masks change your eye colors. Don’t even have to buy that one.

3. Of course it works both ways. If it’s obscuring your skin by some kind of magic (which, I mean, come on – it sparkles) then there’s absolutely no reason for that illusion to be limited to your skin alone. If I cast an Enchantment of Sparkly Translucence on the shoulder plates, there’s no reason why I can’t also cast the same spell on my body. Unless it also irradiates you irrecoverably, but we don’t have any lore to support that.

The skin part of the armor geometry absolutely does fully conform to the body meshes of every race. There is absolutely no indication of any kind of material sitting on top of your skin, whether you’re a Sylvari, a Charr, or a Human. Because it’s simply a retexture of your character’s skin. We know this because I proved it by providing a standard armor skin and the Zodiac armor skin textures. In case that wasn’t clear: The part of the texture file that represents your character’s skin changes from skin-tone to translucent and speckled. We’re talking actual game files here. The game files support me.

Edited to add: Also, you haven’t addressed my other contention: It doesn’t even matter what the actual material is. You look naked where there is no solid armor, and the entire point is that it’s unseemly to add yet another half-naked “armor” to the game. It doesn’t matter if you’re actually naked or if it’s some sort of skin tight Unobtanium Armor with painted-on nipples. Heavy Armor that only covers a fifth of your body doesn’t seem very heavy to me.

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

This armor would look no different (aside from color) if it had been designed from Jade instead of Zodiac.

All it is, is full body armor crafted out of one type of material, with other types of material used to provide accents. This whole “flesh” nonsense is just ridiculous.

I’ve posted the logical and physical reasons why it couldn’t be. I’ve even posted the textures to prove it isn’t. Your counter is “it’s a skinsuit because I said so.”

Okay.

Actually, No. In one of my earlier posts, I specifically mentioned all the logical reasons why the blue could not be flesh. You, on the other hand, have yet to even bother to address the question posed about the shoulders and helmet fins that share the same Zodiac coloring.

How is THIS part of her flesh? That image quite clearly shows that the Zodiac material extends out and away from her actual body.

I didn’t answer it because it’s absurd. No one said the shoulders were flesh. We’re talking about the skin, not the armor itself. Of course the fins aren’t flesh. Why are you even bringing it up? It has absolutely nothing to do with anything anyone has said.

Do I need to draw a picture? Here you go.

Because NONE of it is flesh. That’s why all the blue areas look the same, regardless of body location. All of the blue areas are crafted from Zodiac, none of the areas are actual flesh.

Ignoring how silly that is for a moment, if it’s crafted from a presumably nonporus armor-like material, why is it that the helmets completely obscure the face leaving absolutely no holes for breathing, much less seeing?

Other than the obvious “it’s not some sort of covering material at all but rather simply turns your flesh transparent.”

There’s nothing silly about it. It’s actually the most logical conclusion based on the evidence.

Assuming you’re correct about the material being nonporous, my theory would be that the masks operate on a magical principal similar to the Aqua Breathers that let you breathe underwater for indefinite periods of time, with no visible means of oxygen (such as a breathing tube or oxygen tank).

OR

They work similar to ancient, real world masks/head coverings that had no immediately visible eye or breathing openings.

And, to continue with your presumptions, then there are several questions that need to be answered in order for the presumption to be logical.

1. If the effect is merely a recoloring of your flesh and eyes, why do the eyes no longer function?
2. Why were we given new flesh/eyes colors that don’t require the use of a makeover kit, despite previous new additions being tied to the kits?
3. Why do the fins/appendages look exactly like the rest of the “flesh” if they’re an entirely different material (i.e. Metal instead of Flesh)?

1. I don’t understand.

2. It’s not unprecedented. We were given new facial tattoos as items even though facial tattoos already exist for Norn.

3. There’s no reason why any magic that makes your flesh appear blue and translucent can’t also apply to other materials.

And you know, it doesn’t even matter what the actual material is. You look naked where there is no solid armor, and the entire point is that it’s unseemly to add yet another half-naked “armor” to the game. It doesn’t matter if you’re actually naked or if it’s some sort of skin tight Unobtanium Armor with painted-on nipples. Heavy Armor that only covers a fifth of your body doesn’t seem very heavy to me.

P.s. if it’s a skin-tight suit of some sort, why does the geometry of it perfectly conform to Sylvari skin ridges on the rough skin type? I mean, ignoring the fact that on humans it clearly doesn’t do things like obscure ribs and belly buttons. But the Sylvari ridges are very craggy and multi-faceted, with lots of pointy parts. You would absolutely have some smoothing out of the valleys unless it was vacuum sealed to your body.

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

This armor would look no different (aside from color) if it had been designed from Jade instead of Zodiac.

All it is, is full body armor crafted out of one type of material, with other types of material used to provide accents. This whole “flesh” nonsense is just ridiculous.

I’ve posted the logical and physical reasons why it couldn’t be. I’ve even posted the textures to prove it isn’t. Your counter is “it’s a skinsuit because I said so.”

Okay.

Actually, No. In one of my earlier posts, I specifically mentioned all the logical reasons why the blue could not be flesh. You, on the other hand, have yet to even bother to address the question posed about the shoulders and helmet fins that share the same Zodiac coloring.

How is THIS part of her flesh? That image quite clearly shows that the Zodiac material extends out and away from her actual body.

I didn’t answer it because it’s absurd. No one said the shoulders were flesh. We’re talking about the skin, not the armor itself. Of course the fins aren’t flesh. Why are you even bringing it up? It has absolutely nothing to do with anything anyone has said.

Do I need to draw a picture? Here you go.

Because NONE of it is flesh. That’s why all the blue areas look the same, regardless of body location. All of the blue areas are crafted from Zodiac, none of the areas are actual flesh.

Ignoring how silly that is for a moment, if it’s crafted from a presumably nonporus armor-like material, why is it that the helmets completely obscure the face leaving absolutely no holes for breathing, much less seeing?

Other than the obvious “it’s not some sort of covering material at all but rather simply turns your flesh transparent.”

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

This armor would look no different (aside from color) if it had been designed from Jade instead of Zodiac.

All it is, is full body armor crafted out of one type of material, with other types of material used to provide accents. This whole “flesh” nonsense is just ridiculous.

I’ve posted the logical and physical reasons why it couldn’t be. I’ve even posted the textures to prove it isn’t. Your counter is “it’s a skinsuit because I said so.”

Okay.

Actually, No. In one of my earlier posts, I specifically mentioned all the logical reasons why the blue could not be flesh. You, on the other hand, have yet to even bother to address the question posed about the shoulders and helmet fins that share the same Zodiac coloring.

How is THIS part of her flesh? That image quite clearly shows that the Zodiac material extends out and away from her actual body.

I didn’t answer it because it’s absurd. No one said the shoulders were flesh. We’re talking about the skin, not the armor itself. Of course the fins aren’t flesh. Why are you even bringing it up? It has absolutely nothing to do with anything anyone has said.

Do I need to draw a picture? Here you go.

videoboy.4162:

This armor would look no different (aside from color) if it had been designed from Jade instead of Zodiac.

All it is, is full body armor crafted out of one type of material, with other types of material used to provide accents. This whole “flesh” nonsense is just ridiculous.

I’ve posted the logical and physical reasons why it couldn’t be. I’ve even posted the textures to prove it isn’t. Your counter is “it’s a skinsuit because I said so.”

Okay.

Chasind.3128:

Stop making a big deal about the possible shaped Areola & actually stay on track on actual feedback about this armor; Because the more people go on about it the more riled up & offtrack this thread will get.

Just because you don’t like my feedback, doesn’t mean it’s any less valid than yours. You don’t see me telling you your issues aren’t worth talking about.

Darkobra.6439:

foofad.5162:

Astral Projections.7320:

sorudo.9054:

you see ppl die, blown to pieces and even break legs in mid battle but a nipple is what you guy’s are panicking about?
what a bunch of sissies, grow a pair or go outside and see the world, a nipple is really nothing to be ashamed or embarrassed about.

But, but the CHILDREN! Think about the CHILDREN! O.o

Jk. Lol.

There does seem to be a fair amount of ummmm…… excitement, if that the proper word to use here, over the mere possibility of the presence of female nipples. Multiple screenshots with closeups of the “offending” area with discussions whether or not those are nipples showing or graphic glitches. Idk. Maybe it’s cultural. Maybe it’s an age thing. But some people are getting pretty frothed up about it.

Did you know that the female Orrian heavy chestplate used to show flesh underneath the claws covering the breasts, rather than a metallic plate? They changed it in Beta Weekend 3 or for release, I forget which.

There were definitely complaints about it and it was changed AFTER release. People tend to get offended at things that just do not affect them.

It was either in BWE3 or immediately on release. I remember being surprised when viewing it in the PVP locker between the beta weekends or BWE3 and release that they had changed it.

In fact now that I think about it I’m virtually certain it was BWE3 because I was still on my beta version of the character I main, my Guardian. She had a different hairstyle and name.

Astral Projections.7320:

foofad.5162:

For my own part, not speaking for anyone else, I’m just tired of seeing “heavy armor” with more skin than metal. That’s all. I think it’s a funny mistake on Anet’s part that they included nipples, and also somewhat bizarre considering their stance on the subject. Did you know that the female Orrian heavy chestplate used to show flesh underneath the claws covering the breasts, rather than a metallic plate? They changed it in Beta Weekend 3 or for release, I forget which. No one even complained about it, but apparently that was too tasteless. Now that they’re making money off of it though, clearly even nudity is fair game. It smacks of a cheap cash grab.

I’m not taking any kind of moral stance. I just think it’s sleazy, from a business perspective and from a content/design standpoint as well. I like nipples, I even have a pair myself. But I really don’t see a particular reason for them to be displayed on my supposedly armored character.

Except this armor has no skin showing at all. There is zero nudity. Granted, it’s skin tight armor but still. As for the alleged nipples. I’ve seen the pictures on the thread and they look like graphic glitches to me. Artifacts of the light hitting a rounded, shiny surface.

Honey, it turns your flesh transparent. It’s skin, just transparent. There’s nothing covering you. It’s not a skin tight suit with armor plates over the top. It’s flesh turned transparent.

Attached is a comparison of two textures for a character wearing the medium chestpiece and nothing else, versus a completely concealing armor. You see the part that is white and speckled? That’s the torso skin portion of the texture. The fact that it’s speckled jives with what you see in game. There’s an additional texture that isn’t part of the same file that is the actual blue part. The skin portion of this texture is transparent but retains some shading, and the fact that it’s transparent reveals the blue texture underneath it.

You can then compare that to the one above, which is what your torso skin ordinarily looks like. You can compare the shading in both the top and the bottom skins, and see the exact same patterns of shadow.

It’s nude. Just transparent.

Edited to add: Not only that, but it’s so completely clearly bare skin when you look at EthanLightheart’s male character wearing it. You can see his belly-button, his abs, his ribs, with absolutely no smoothing or distortion like you would expect when wearing even very tightly covering clothing. I’ve said this before earlier in the thread, but I’m a dancer and wear tights and unitards on a regular basis. Even the tightest tights smooth out your features. In fact, the tighter the clothing, the less your belly button shows for the same reason that tight leather over a drum doesn’t become concave as a result of it covering up a hole. The fabric forms a plane between the highest points.

P.s.: Before anyone cries out, “LOOK, NO NIPPLES IN THE TEXTURE!” It’s not the texture that contains it, it’s the normal map, which is a height-mapping technique that simulates additional geometry on an otherwise flat surface. I haven’t been able to get the normal map for the armor yet for some reason. uMod keeps screwing up.

Astral Projections.7320:

There does seem to be a fair amount of ummmm…… excitement, if that the proper word to use here, over the mere possibility of the presence of female nipples. Multiple screenshots with closeups of the “offending” area with discussions whether or not those are nipples showing or graphic glitches. Idk. Maybe it’s cultural. Maybe it’s an age thing. But some people are getting pretty frothed up about it.

For my own part, not speaking for anyone else, I’m just tired of seeing “heavy armor” with more skin than metal. That’s all. I think it’s a funny mistake on Anet’s part that they included nipples, and also somewhat bizarre considering their stance on the subject. Did you know that the female Orrian heavy chestplate used to show flesh underneath the claws covering the breasts, rather than a metallic plate? They changed it in Beta Weekend 3 or for release, I forget which. No one even complained about it, but apparently that was too tasteless. Now that they’re making money off of it though, clearly even nudity is fair game. It smacks of a cheap cash grab.

I’m not taking any kind of moral stance. I just think it’s sleazy, from a business perspective and from a content/design standpoint as well. I like nipples, I even have a pair myself. But I really don’t see a particular reason for them to be displayed on my supposedly armored character.

Frankly I wish they got rid of the projectile entirely and made it an instant hit like Necromancer scepter.

I do agree with Smite though, that would be cool. If they needed to keep the same sort of pseudo-mini-meteor storm then they could just use multiple beams instead of the dumb flying fists.

Chains of Light looks kind of silly too. I wish it looked more like our underwater skill, Cage of Light I think it’s called, on Trident. That’s an awesome looking ability.

mPascoal.4258:

foofad.5162:

iHungeri.4096:

looks like i’m being limited (hear that, anet? your game is limiting me) to 0/x/30/30/x or similar if i like to play pve and wvw. so much for build diversity. so sadness, much fail.. cries quietly in corner

Personally I don’t think you should run Valor for either. Radiance, Honor, and Virtues are where it’s at – for both of them. Lord knows I never run Valor unless I’m doing a meds build for some reason.

If I don’t feel like swapping traits, I run 15/0/0/30/25 Hammer for PvE and WvW. Sometimes I do 10/0/0/30/30 instead in order to get access to the Stability on Courage trait whose name I forget to land stomps in WvW and then switch to Permeating Wrath for PvE because it’s baller with Hammer.

That doesn’t sound bad at all, I might even try it. But Valor in WvW is a must for a defencive/support play. Full support any x/x/x/30/30 would do.
I’ll maintain my AH, love it or hate it I don’t care it works great for me, it was exactly what I wanted and thats why I mained Guardian and not Warrior (I also didn’t like the GS skills on Warrior as much as I like them on Guard).

Not to be combative, but IMO the only must for WvW is high Vigor uptime and either Swiftness or access to a lot of mobility. AH is optional. You really don’t need it. The Valor line, with the exception of Strength in Numbers (and I guess you can make an argument for the mace trait too), is completely selfish and not supportive at all. It’s introverted, compared to Honor and Virtue’s extroversion. Virtues especially brings so much more to the table than Valor in terms of support.

Leo Paul.1659:

foofad.5162:

Leo Paul.1659:

Locuz.2651:

I wonder if people complained about this if the entire skin was darker (like catwomans outfit) and the mask showed your own face.

It would’ve been better if it was black, but showing the face would totally ruin the outfit -_-

As for the nipples, here are screenies of my character.. I’m wary of highlighting them coz of infraction (but it’s so easy to see them, even through aegis). :/ Its not that i don’t like it, I bought it didn’t I? I just wish they didn’t include the nips and that they fix the phantasms.

It’s also really weird but for some reason the light version has normals for the areola but not the actual nipples. The medium has both, and the heavy is partially covered but you can still make out areolas.

Actually if you tilt the camera a bit..

Oh, interesting. I think that’s probably part of the character model geometry rather than the normal though. I’ll try putting this thing to rest once and for all by dumping the normal with texmod or similar.

Wall of Reflection will sort out the ranged ones right quick.

Leo Paul.1659:

Locuz.2651:

I wonder if people complained about this if the entire skin was darker (like catwomans outfit) and the mask showed your own face.

It would’ve been better if it was black, but showing the face would totally ruin the outfit -_-

As for the nipples, here are screenies of my character.. I’m wary of highlighting them coz of infraction (but it’s so easy to see them, even through aegis). :/ Its not that i don’t like it, I bought it didn’t I? I just wish they didn’t include the nips and that they fix the phantasms.

It’s also really weird but for some reason the light version has normals for the areola but not the actual nipples. The medium has both, and the heavy is partially covered but you can still make out areolas.

Do I have to draw arrows and circles around them? Because I totally will. I don’t understand how you can possibly miss them.

Leo Paul.1659:

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

It’s not even painted skin. It’s a sculpted material that covers the vast majority of the character’s actual flesh, just like that Batman and Robin armor I posted.

Also, why is it, that in every picture you’ve posted claiming that this armor shows nipples, the character only has ONE?

You are literally making things up and completely ignoring evidence to the contrary. It’s not sculpted anything. The armor turns your character’s skin blue. I posted the proof in image form, you can see where I overlapped two screenshots of the same character with and without it. There is no change in physical proportions to prove your claim that it’s something added over top of the character’s body. At all.

As far as the multiplication of nipples is concerned, I see two. Have you even looked at it in game? It’s pretty obvious there too.

Manipulated screenshots =/= proof. I’ve been toying with my camera on my Mesmer, trying to figure out what you’re allegedly seeing and still can’t make them show up. I managed to get ONE of those white swirls in the armor to line up “correctly” and look like your screenshot, but that’s not a nipple.

It’s called selective perception.

Here’s the raw screenshot, just to put any more fears to rest over me faking it. Save it, zoom in on your own.

videoboy.4162:

foofad.5162:

videoboy.4162:

It’s not even painted skin. It’s a sculpted material that covers the vast majority of the character’s actual flesh, just like that Batman and Robin armor I posted.

Also, why is it, that in every picture you’ve posted claiming that this armor shows nipples, the character only has ONE?

You are literally making things up and completely ignoring evidence to the contrary. It’s not sculpted anything. The armor turns your character’s skin blue. I posted the proof in image form, you can see where I overlapped two screenshots of the same character with and without it. There is no change in physical proportions to prove your claim that it’s something added over top of the character’s body. At all.

As far as the multiplication of nipples is concerned, I see two. Have you even looked at it in game? It’s pretty obvious there too.

Manipulated screenshots =/= proof. I’ve been toying with my camera on my Mesmer, trying to figure out what you’re allegedly seeing and still can’t make them show up. I managed to get ONE of those white swirls in the armor to line up “correctly” and look like your screenshot, but that’s not a nipple.

Look at it in the preview window, not in game. It’s much easier to spot.

Edit: Also, bizarrely, it’s more obvious on the medium armor than the light. For some reason, the light armor neglects the actual nipple, whereas the medium includes it.

Edit2: While I’m thrilled that you think my photoshop skills are that good, I’m pretty sure that convincingly shopping in nipples like that is beyond my ability.

videoboy.4162:

It’s not even painted skin. It’s a sculpted material that covers the vast majority of the character’s actual flesh, just like that Batman and Robin armor I posted.

Also, why is it, that in every picture you’ve posted claiming that this armor shows nipples, the character only has ONE?

You are literally making things up and completely ignoring evidence to the contrary. It’s not sculpted anything. The armor turns your character’s skin blue. I posted the proof in image form, you can see where I overlapped two screenshots of the same character with and without it. There is no change in physical proportions to prove your claim that it’s something added over top of the character’s body. At all.

As far as the multiplication of nipples is concerned, I see two. Have you even looked at it in game? It’s pretty obvious there too.

videoboy.4162:

Dude, it is NOT your character’s skin. It’s the same material that the Weapons are made of. That’s why the helmet fins and shoulder armor have the exact same look, despite not being a part of the character’s body.

I’m not saying that the in-fiction substance that the armor is made out of is made of flesh. I am saying that it has precisely the same physical dimensions as your own character’s flesh, only this time they decided to also include your own nipples to it.

If it looks like skin, acts like skin, and has nipple-shaped features like skin, but it’s blue, that doesn’t give them a free pass.

videoboy.4162:

And I just showed you two reasons why I’m not.

Their costume is built up over their chests. It adds mass to their physical forms. This adds nothing, it is a reskin of your character’s skin.

For comparison, here’s my character with and without. You’ll have to forgive the tasteful dolyak skin bra, but you can still tell what’s going on.

videoboy.4162:

Lorelei.7809:

Is it just me foofad, or does it change your character’s “natural” definitions?

Either way, it definitively shows abs and ribs; thus, it’s skin.
The armor bugs me. I feel like I’m looking at a generic goofy character. It does look best on BLUE Sylvari (Not my green/greenish Sylvari).

It’s NOT skin. I suppose Batman and Robin were both naked in the movies, because of the way their armor was sculpted?

I can think of two reasons why you’re wrong.

Inimicus.7162:

Nick.6972:

Nipples can not be seen.

there are shaded circles on the light armor and medium where they likely would be on those horrible giant augmentations of the 90’s… in some light the circle has a definantly shade difference and even a slight shadow on the bottom compared to the rest

That’s weird, because nipples definitely aren’t textured on the nude player model and I don’t think they’re normal mapped either.

Edit: OH WOW, I TOTALLY SEE IT.

http://puu.sh/72WPY.jpg

http://puu.sh/72WRr.jpg

They are so hiiiigh oh my gosh.

Locuz.2651:

foofad.5162:

No. That’s your actual skin. You can tell, because your character’s belly button is an obvious divot. If it were a zentai suit (catsuit, superhero suit, whatever you want to call it) then the divot of your belly button would be obscured by the fabric, it wouldn’t get magically sucked in.

My characters belly button doesnt even show in the light blue area. Its under the red + dark blue decoration*. And even if it did show (which it doesnt)….

http://www.giantsizemarvel.com/2011/01/alan-davis-women-of-marvel-cover.html

Almost all of all these classic american superheriones have “divots” where their bellybutton is. So i guess those comics contain a lot of nudity aswell and YOU would consider that cover a collection of naked superheroines?

Look, I wear tights on a regular basis. I’m a dancer. Tights do not get magically sucked into your belly button, no matter what Marvel tells you.

You really can’t convince me that this is a superhero suit. It’s just not. Compare the two:

http://puu.sh/72U50.jpg

http://puu.sh/72U60.jpg

The texture is different, but the normal map (the part of the model that simulates more definition than actually exists in the model) is identical. If it were some sort of tight clothing, then there would be a significant amount of smoothing in the divisions of my abs and ribs.

There is none. Because it’s not a unitard, it’s translucent skin.

iHungeri.4096:

looks like i’m being limited (hear that, anet? your game is limiting me) to 0/x/30/30/x or similar if i like to play pve and wvw. so much for build diversity. so sadness, much fail.. cries quietly in corner

Personally I don’t think you should run Valor for either. Radiance, Honor, and Virtues are where it’s at – for both of them. Lord knows I never run Valor unless I’m doing a meds build for some reason.

If I don’t feel like swapping traits, I run 15/0/0/30/25 Hammer for PvE and WvW. Sometimes I do 10/0/0/30/30 instead in order to get access to the Stability on Courage trait whose name I forget to land stomps in WvW and then switch to Permeating Wrath for PvE because it’s baller with Hammer.

Locuz.2651:

Kagu.2015:

I like blue color but armor is too reveling.

It doesnt reveal anything, its a bodysuit comparable to the bodysuits superheroines wear:

https://www.google.nl/search?q=superheroines+marvel&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=pDEFU9nCNcif0wXdo4GwCw&ved=0CC8QsAQ&biw=1920&bih=979

Compare it too and youll see it looks quite similar:

No. That’s your actual skin. You can tell, because your character’s belly button is an obvious divot. If it were a zentai suit (catsuit, superhero suit, whatever you want to call it) then the divot of your belly button would be obscured by the fabric, it wouldn’t get magically sucked in.

Jaxom.7310:

foofad.5162:

Jaxom.7310:

And as a guard and you are downed in spvp, don’t even bother with #2 skill, the enemy will have stability, and you will be dead with your worthless #2 skill.

A: Not everyone has stability.
B: Not everyone has stability off cooldown at that moment.
C: Not everyone is willing to pop stability to get a stomp off.
D: If you’re sitting downed on a point that is contested with an ally/allies on it, popping 2 may knock the enemy off of it long enough to get the cap.

Long story short, it’s useful.

I disagree. Only thing I agree with is that you can try to use it, because there’s little else you can do for those moments before you are dead.

I raised four points, which one do you disagree with and why?

Jaxom.7310:

And as a guard and you are downed in spvp, don’t even bother with #2 skill, the enemy will have stability, and you will be dead with your worthless #2 skill.

A: Not everyone has stability.
B: Not everyone has stability off cooldown at that moment.
C: Not everyone is willing to pop stability to get a stomp off.
D: If you’re sitting downed on a point that is contested with an ally/allies on it, popping 2 may knock the enemy off of it long enough to get the cap.

Long story short, it’s useful.

Someone may correct me but Aegis is a boon, and I don’t think any boons apply to downed allies.

Can we please move away from the half-naked heavy armor on women trope now?

The Aetherblade set was great. Then Phalanx happened, and now this. Two “heavy” armors in a row with more skin than metal.

Basche.2305:

Aedrion.6483:

…healing for 130 per second doesn’t do all that much…

As someone who has played only a guardian for over a year now, I completely agree with you. Also, I’d like to point out that Virtue of Resolve’s passive healing actually only procs every 3 seconds where as the Warrior’s Healing Signet procs every 1.25 seconds. Quite a profound difference given the difference in how much they passively heal.

It’s every second. You might be confusing it with Battle Presence which drops a 3 second buff on people, but even that heals once a second.

autoballa.1890:

Yeah i thought about those but im allready vigil, unless there is a way around that.

You need a Whispers character. Purchase the legs, and transmute the skin onto a white item. The skin remains on the white one, and the white one becomes account bound, since white items can’t technically be soulbound. Then you can transmute that skin onto something on the destination character.

Try Whisper’s leggings? Might be closer.

Dynnen.6405:

I have no idea why you are white knighting the kitten outta these people. Lol, Guard has had so many things wrong with it for a very long time and there has been nothing done to fix it even though we collectively have had many good suggestions. A few ridiculous ones, but a lot of good ones.

So I salute you white knights! Keep defending the lords that look down on you as peasants!

Just because I disagree with your treatment of the situation doesn’t mean that I agree with Anet. My personal opinion is that Jon goofed by not delivering, especially when he set a date upon which he was supposed to talk about it. He should never have mentioned a date.

The fact that he was dogpiled upon though, and the fact that this thread has devolved into pages of people jabbing at him is a good example of why developers don’t like interacting with fans sometimes. Your individual jokes or whatever you want to call them may not amount to much, but it’s not just you. Others in this thread – they’re all contributing to the negative, hyper-entitled milieu. It’s embarassing. I’m embarassed both for you, and to be a part of these forums where that kind of unhelpful behavior is common place. Same thing with the Spirit Druid threads.

Say it with me, guys: The solution to developer indifference to our input is not to make ourselves insufferable. That is literally the exact opposite of what you want. It’s like trying to get a girl to talk to you by being nasty to her.

To be clear, I do understand your frustration. I’ve been here since the beta weekends, and I’ve been posting actively for over a year. I’ve seen it all. There have been suggestion megathreads that never get touched by Anet, some very disappointing hints, and a ton of feedback that seems to go unnoticed. But you know what? From my perspective at least, we got a lot more communication back before we were bitter and spiteful.

Dynnen.6405:

foofad.5162:

Dynnen.6405:

You’re right. I shouldn’t hold anyone accountable to what they say they are going to do.

If you want to hold someone accountable, be my guest. Consolidate your opinions, voice them in a logical way that it backed up if possible with examples of wrongdoing and constructive ways of improving for the future.

Here’s what you’ve actually said.

Dynnen.6405:

Lonely…….soooo lonely…..

Dynnen.6405:

ROFL

Dynnen.6405:

I read this every once and and it still cracks me up XD

And hey, you may have actually done so at some point earlier in the thread. If you did, fantastic. That’s where it ends. At this point, almost no one – not a developer, whose time is valuable, nor a concerned player – is going to dig through twelve pages, most of which after page three or four is whining. Spamming an ancient thread which is clearly dead with one-line sarcastic bumps doesn’t do anyone any good, least of all the developers you are trying to influence.

Dynnen.6405:

I’ll tell you what. I will stop beating this ‘accountability’ dead horse if you stop beating the ‘condi guardian works’ horse.

I’m not bargaining. I’m telling you that you aren’t being helpful, even if you think you are somehow.

I was being helpful about…4 months ago doing exactly what you recommended. Discussing issues and improvements that could be made. But they are listening about as much as they did in gw1. And talking about strawman…you only bring up the things that I’ve been saying to poke fun and call out the devs, not my weapons suggestion/trait line suggestions/ability suggestions all with reasoning to them and balance in mind. To be honest most of those were outside of this forum post, so if you looked at this one specific situation without looking outside and using that to pass judgement..go ahead =P

Your previous success at being helpful doesn’t excuse your failure now. The only thing you can do is stop failing. You aren’t calling out the devs, you’re writing one line posts to keep a thread on life support that has been brain dead for pages and pages now.

No one, least of all the developers, is interested in you rofling at this trainwreck.

Arken.3725:

Because there are a lot of us who actually give a crap about the Guardian profession and won’t just sit by while our profession gets ignored.

Whinging in an old thread doesn’t really speak to the kind of heroic steadfastness you seem to think you’re demonstrating. There are much better ways to voice your discontent.

Dynnen.6405:

You’re right. I shouldn’t hold anyone accountable to what they say they are going to do.

If you want to hold someone accountable, be my guest. Consolidate your opinions, voice them in a logical way that it backed up if possible with examples of wrongdoing and constructive ways of improving for the future.

Here’s what you’ve actually said.

Dynnen.6405:

Lonely…….soooo lonely…..

Dynnen.6405:

ROFL

Dynnen.6405:

I read this every once and and it still cracks me up XD

And hey, you may have actually done so at some point earlier in the thread. If you did, fantastic. That’s where it ends. At this point, almost no one – not a developer, whose time is valuable, nor a concerned player – is going to dig through twelve pages, most of which after page three or four is whining. Spamming an ancient thread which is clearly dead with one-line sarcastic bumps doesn’t do anyone any good, least of all the developers you are trying to influence.

Dynnen.6405:

I’ll tell you what. I will stop beating this ‘accountability’ dead horse if you stop beating the ‘condi guardian works’ horse.

I’m not bargaining. I’m telling you that you aren’t being helpful, even if you think you are somehow.

Dynnen.6405:

foofad.5162:

You guys are the reason devs don’t interact with players.

Btw, u might wanna take that burn build thing outta the signature. Its hard to take you seriously with that there =(

Nice: strawman out of your poor behavior. Can I subscribe to your newsletter?

It’s clear you didn’t read the thread you’re insulting me over, considering the overarching argument is to not spec condition damage which I think is something everyone can agree on.

If you’d like to continue coming up with excuses for perpetuating this dead horse beating, I’m open to hearing them. But it’s not my behavior that’s in question.

You guys are the reason devs don’t interact with players.

Example: There is a group of ettins in a cave in southeast Gendarran (in the snowy part). One is a veteran, the rest aren’t. If you have 15 Radiance, you can agro two or three of the ettins and as you kill them, you are AOE blinding the entire group – even if you agro the vet, it doesn’t matter, because you’ll be blinding him so often that all of his slow attacks will be negated. Part of 15 Radiance isn’t just refreshing, but the AOE blind as well. This allows you to take down veterans even if you’re underleveled for an area.

If taking down a single veteran is easy for you, great. I like to be able to kill the veteran and everything else in the room, at the same time, while underleveled. Because that’s exactly the kind of thing you can do as a low level Guardian with a ton of blinds.

Not to mention it’s one of the most important endgame synergies as well for dungeons; it’s good practice.

No, it wasn’t. It’s a pastebin “leak” and it’s not even remotely current.