Oh I dont want anything except a good fight… ive gone 4 weeks on a ranger trying to chase down a 1 on 1 fight… (except mesmers) most of the time I just kept flipping camps which can get boring… then when thiefs run away to bring back friends to kill a solo ranger… its gets frustrating and boring.
Bear with DR we have spent the last few weeks having to play zerg ball it may take a little bit for the non highly organized guilds to find their way again.
Here is my question if there is no kind of agreement or alliance of any sort how the heck has the points swing in the last 24-36 hours occurred… Last night I go to sleep (sick and exhausted so I could remember wrong) we still had a slight lead on IOJ..
I get off work… IOJ has a 6 k lead on us???
Im not blaming entire servers but that kind of swing would require large transfers of people to IOJ or agreements between some of the larger guilds on both DH and IOJ… is there a third possibility?
IoJ was the second Oceanic server since launch. Mr Starkk only comes out when NA is at work and when I’m at work…
Yea we knew you guys had better off hours coverage… just seems weird that all of a sudden DH is afraid to go near your borderland… Im sure you can understand why some people are skeptical.
Here is my question if there is no kind of agreement or alliance of any sort how the heck has the points swing in the last 24-36 hours occurred… Last night I go to sleep (sick and exhausted so I could remember wrong) we still had a slight lead on IOJ..
I get off work… IOJ has a 6 k lead on us???
Im not blaming entire servers but that kind of swing would require large transfers of people to IOJ or agreements between some of the larger guilds on both DH and IOJ… is there a third possibility?
Its frustrating to me because I wouldn’t mind seeing DH move up and do well… but until they learn a tactic other than Swarm lesser numbered enemy they will get crushed next tier let alone move any further.
And to me the fights have been insanely boring when I’m on, I cant wait till im off shifting at work so I can get some fun fights away from NA prime time.
DH the reason you dont see a whole lot of respect is you move in a blob… im sure when im not on you have some wonderful small group players… but the smallest group I see on average is 10.
You pile 50 into a tower then treb the next spot and dont come out till you can swarm it… you will not fight in open field with remotely even numbers if you can help it (which isnt often since you have a much larger active wvw population than DR or IOJ) people are tired of fighting you because its kitteny boring…
I havent seen a single change in tactics out of you guys since we started fighting you, (obviously im talking about when I am on only) With your active population advantage you should be trying new tactics because your coverage advantage guarantees you a win.
But what ever keep doing the same thing eventually you will move up and then it will be brutal for you because you didnt take the time to learn new tictacs.
Nice fight at DR garrison… well Everyone… least it sure seemed like everyone from IOJ and DH came to play..
Some folks in DR were worried or upset… I just went WOW… look at all the potential loot bags.. wish I could stay for the continued games but gotta be up before the sun and the sun has set for the night.
To the DH players in Eternal just now that ran like scalded dogs from equal numbers its a digital toon I promise it doesn’t hurt to die..
You guys had the numbers to run us out of EB and did so… soon as we grouped up and rushed out roughly 10 on 10 (i’m assuming the rest of the blob went to IOJ side) the DH folks scampered right back to the keep afraid to fight us…
This is why I think you guys will get clown stomped if you move up to the next tier.. you have some good players that are willing to fight equal numbers but the rest… refuse to stand and fight and till they learn to do so you have little to no chance against an equal (or better) coverage server in higher tiers.
Yes its anecdotal… but there is absolutely a trend.
I was standing in the middle of valley keep in between the inner gates with bad guys knocking and I was being hit non stop by either arrow carts or barrage… some folks suggested they build arrow carts up near the SM side gate they came through.. I know they didnt so whats the deal?
with a properly placed arrow cart ive been able to get a little further in than just shooting the gate but halfway across an inner courtyard is a new one on me?
shrugs yep were not moving up again unless without new bodies to cover a time gap in coverage…
Which sucks.. because right now everybody seems to hide in a keep or tower till they have a 2or3 to 1 numbers advantage so no good fights…
I miss Ebay… brutal losses by points but lots of good fights.
Ive stood outside a DH held keep solo ranger in explorer gear even and they wouldnt come out to fight… its sad…
Ive got thieves from the “elite” guilds were facing that run away from a solo ranger…
My only gripe with DH is the few people that say its all skill… if we worked harder or were better players we could win and numbers have nothing to do with it.
I will politely disagree with Hyjaxxx, the worst Bolis pass did to us was about a 60k pt win and we have gained back players since the patch. Hell when they quit fighting EBay completely to push us out of the tier they only beat us by 40k.
So here is my question to the DH people that say they are winning because of skill…
As of right now most of your server cant take a well defended position… usually you try a few times then run off to cap an undefended… or weakly defended position… sound tactical decision sure because you can right now.
What are you going to do when you cant run off and grab an undefended position because your population advantage is gone?
Please note : I am not saying you cant ever… just many of your commanders or guild leaders try till the siege is down then they meander till we have enough to rush then they scatter to the winds and or die.
Wait to ruin the fun DH we could have had a nice battle in Eternal but you hide till you have 2 or 3-1 odds then rush out.. what are you going to do when you don’t have a large population advantage?
There is a difference Prosecutor… you know the time frame our zerg will show up for 5 out of the 7 days… you guys have a zerg (size compared to possible defenders) 24-7 pretty much. (for this tier)
I wont lie IOJ truly irritated me, but Ill probably get past that in the next couple days…
Darkhaven… well some of yall make me laugh, I saw the same attitude when BP moved up and I saw the same attitude in DR when we moved up, skill, coordination, or will… only accounts for a small part of the equation… coverage is the number 1 reason people win.
Skill coordination and will, can carry you to about probably tier 4.. then numbers will crush you and your fair weather players will flock to another server and you’ll tumble.
Ultimately I wish everyone the best moving up…
Me im just looking for something resembling a good fight.
Defending a fortified keep gives little advantage unless you have equal numbers… there should be some benefit to defending a position right now necros and mesmers make it pretty much death to try and do anything on the wall in defense.
Well Kinky… while I haven’t done that and still don’t plan to… BUT… cant say it bothers me over much after you guys camped a massive zerg in our BL Sunday… then did it again on Monday and Tuesday… Might not be your time frame of play but both server have done it, so get off your morale high horse please.
I think yall are looking at it the wrong way… most points/loot ive gotten was from defending against the big mindless zergs that don’t know how to fight.
Im surprised nobody managed screens, or video of DR’s stand in Garrison lord room… dead bodies everywhere… loot bags left to fade away because bags were full. Kudos to DH for still charging in despite the slaughter… went on long enough for me to die and run back to the fight.
we brought it… nobody was home… then as usual Darkhaven had to bring more people than the two of us had combined. (by the way hats off to the IOJ people that did come out to try and defend I’ve felt your pain for months as well.)
shrugs I’m off to bed, bottom line is for all the nice talk… you still golem rushed the weaker of the two opponents.
Oh and that’s not saying anything bad about DR… Darkhaven has many more bodies than DR… that’s just a fact, so you went to where the fighting would be easier. (see fewer bodies to fight)
And for the most part I am having fun… even trolling these forums.
shrugs call it what you want… I still think its gutless…
I’ve been pushing to hit Dark haven all weekend… now well don’t complain when the Viking rampages start.
Edit: and a great deal of my frustration is I think I can count the number of solo players I ran into on one hand this weekend… Im a bow ranger for petes sake… you don’t need 10 guys to stop me flipping a camp. :p
yea and the 5 golems… at 2 am… you ran from a possible hard fight to a place you new you’d have numbers … real tough.
I know my suggestion from now on is hit IOJ we tried to take it to DH a couple times today but 20-40 man IOJ zergs in our BL pretty much all day kinda borked that up.
its funny to hear DR and IoJ complain that we have crazy amounts of people. We most certainly do not. which as ive stated before is why we get creamed when servers with better coverage face us. Since ive been in wvw i have yet to feel we have been bested in skill/team work by a server as we always seem to get more done with smaller numbers.
Although when we have our momentum going , the pvers come out of the wood work to get their vistas and some wvw experience while not feeling threatened in the open plains. This has been one of our best Sundays i have seen people wise. and im sure with a shortened work week it might keep on rolling.
lastly to answer the person asking About GRIM, Sunday tends to be a day of Rest for alot of our guild. But we had 5 level 10s crushing skulls for a few hours today. But the best way to find one of us GRIM folks…is to check the handle end of the “finish them” Spike stickin out of your head <3
Free tip… you have better coverage than we do… that’s it… Ill give you credit you zerg back to your bl pretty well when something happens. but that’s about all ive seen.
lol i think this has turned into an kitten fest. Although im hoping that the conversation spurs some exciting combat. As it sits thus far its turned into what we experienced in T7 with gates and henge , where we pull a lead and the battle then becomes for second.
Devona has some good players with sound strategy, pull it together and lets have some fun! Im watching the lead isle has dwindle. it will be interesting to see what happens in the next 24 hours with it.
shrugs same as with BP… you got bodies when we don’t have them… its not about pulling it together… its about having coverage and we don’t have it.
edit: when numbers are close to equal we do very well… this morning for instance… we had a 40 man IOJ in our BL for a few hours… soon as they left Dark rolled in.. we don’t have the bodies to keep up with that kind of pressure all the time. after 5 hours of fighting larger numbers Ive taken a break because it stopped being fun.
God DuR, how i missed the way you hit us when we try and attack the strongest server, even though it was a poor attempt at an attack on Anz, it caused us to lose our foothold in DH’s corner…if only you put pressure on the other side we could have made them break, but nope!
And may i say that was a nice golem rush by DH on our keep, nearly had me quit WvW for the day, disappointed that we didnt scout that at all.
shrugs camp a zerg in our BL you ask to be attacked.
The reason I made that post was last night you guys had something close to 60 people in our BL, we had a small team break into your garrison and got swamped under by around 20 and we still made no headway in Eternal… if your weekday numbers drop off ok then that makes sense.
A lot of folks from DR are taking a small break right now, good to know we still hold our own with less folks around then earlier in the year.
I always hear that in every match, along with a few other obligatory things. I find it interesting how they always show up. There are always people/groups taking breaks in every match! The same rings true for DH this one. Though, I do expect to see more MorT around than I have. Where you all be?
Just wanted to give another hats off to IoJ. Please, please keep fighting. Some of your guilds really took me by surprise last night, and thats exactly why I love playing video games.
Great times all around, and it seems a bit more balanced than with AR in the tier. Though, I cant deny I miss seeing ALS all over the place!
Yea im used to seeing it to… but I just got back from deployment and I have seen exactly 1 commander that has been with us a long time and darn few of our major guilds that stayed with us after the exodus…. don’t know why just what ive seen.
Actually I didn’t play last week I was still deployed just got back past Sunday.
I don’t doubt we’ll enjoy it more im just extremely disappointed in BP, when we came up through the ranks you didn’t worry about anything other than fighting we just overwhelmed you with numbers… but you guys guys would fight anyone and everyone.. now your camping a zerg in our BL instead of looking for a fight… It looks well gutless.
edit: If you guys came through took everything and then went after ebay… no big deal.. its the camping us that rubs me the wrong way.
Why does DR give Ebay a pass when they do the exact same thing ?
Why is BP denigrated for the exact same tactics as Ebay but your silent towards them ?
Even worse was when DR and Ebay would run past each other and not attack then attack BP towers/keeps, and about 2 hours later you would see DR all turn green.
I don’t care if your gonna double team BP, thats part of the game, but the fact that DR allows Ebay to just walk all over them after double teaming BP just looks pathetic.
Oh well enjoy having your lower tier DR i think you backed the wrong server.
Actually earlier in the thread I kittened about Ebay doing the same thing… I was deployed the first week… this week and they will pay for it when AR moves up and you two double team Ebay…
My Biggest gripe with B kitten omething ebay didn’t do… when you took everything you left a fricking zerg behind to camp the people trying to take things back for DR that is what made you gutless… twice the numbers sometimes more and you hid from a fight against the smallest numbers you could find.
That said thanks for all the loot bags Bp and Ebay gave up today had a blast in Eternal… and even over in Ebays Bl.
Actually I didn’t play last week I was still deployed just got back past Sunday.
I don’t doubt we’ll enjoy it more im just extremely disappointed in BP, when we came up through the ranks you didn’t worry about anything other than fighting we just overwhelmed you with numbers… but you guys guys would fight anyone and everyone.. now your camping a zerg in our BL instead of looking for a fight… It looks well gutless.
edit: If you guys came through took everything and then went after ebay… no big deal.. its the camping us that rubs me the wrong way.
I prefer to defend our BL which has made the last few days frustrating seeing EB and BP take turns sending 40+ man zergs at us while hardly touching each others BL…
You would have enjoyed watching BP’s borderland last night then. They had a random 40-50 person zerg that took turns squashing us and being squashed before completely disappearing within a matter of minutes. 20 minutes later without seeing a single defender, three keeps were no longer blue, DR still had most of their stuff back home, and BP was left with several superior flame ram shrines and a Box o’ Fun.
Yup would have loved it for the change of pace if nothing else… alas when I get to play Im on the punching bag side of things.
edit: free tip BP if you want to make up ground on EB hitting us isn’t the way to do it.
DR are straight up zerkers (not zergers). I liken them to a rabies infected dog. They attack in every direction almost randomly. They seem to have no server wide goals and I am pretty sure most of them could care less about the score. Jumping on a pack of them seems to either be “these guys suck” or “what just crushed us” and it is almost impossible to know until its too late one way or another.
Cant speak for anyone other than me… but yea that’s pretty much us from my view point… when we suffered the mass exodus it went from we want to advance to we want to fight.
We do actually have some pretty good coordination and goals but when you know you will lose everything most days in a small 4 hour window you learn to not worry about it while you focus on fighting.
I prefer to defend our BL which has made the last few days frustrating seeing EB and BP take turns sending 40+ man zergs at us while hardly touching each others BL… But Meh… it happens we don’t have the coverage. most days I prefer a target rich environment.
By the way… Burn Folks… you don’t need to be so mean… im just a widdle ranger cant hurt nothing… let me feel like im doing something before you sneeze and paint the walls with my innards.
Ranger is a good class! Imagine 20 rangers with their stupid looking pet murellows charging a zerg with Entangle at the ready. Yeah, I just squeeled a little too.
I enjoy it… even as a bow ranger… cause when I do win a fight… its like I hit the lotto.
They aren’t a bad class just half broke kind of like the engineer.
shrugs I logged in noon CST 6 people in DR border land… 15+ BP our weakest times haven’t changed since the inception of the server.
i like to call it coverage we may not have the numbers we used to but we have a half decent night crew
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Well when I got up at 5am Cst our BL was pretty much ours… some back and forth fighting lost a few things but mostly it was ours… I went to work come back at noon… nadda… everything in the south is toast.
That time period has been DR’s weak point since the server started most likely will be our weak point till the server dies. NA prime time we do well… night time (cst) we usually hold our BL, morning (cst) we lose it all typically.
BP and EB have much better all around coverage than we do… that said I think we do alright with have a 5-6 hour window with pretty much zero coverage.
Hopefully we fit in well in the next tier down… but im afraid we are going to be another .5 tier… to much for 1 not enough for the next higher.
edit: By the way… Burn Folks… you don’t need to be so mean… im just a widdle ranger cant hurt nothing… let me feel like im doing something before you sneeze and paint the walls with my innards.
Essentially here’s how things have been going: Ebay and DR completely dominate during the day because BP actually has opponents (Equal numbers for BP is too much for them to handle).
Then, BP caps EVERYTHING while Ebay and DR are sleeping (other than Ebay BL, you guys have kept quite a handle on that place).
The sun is rising atm and I see BP rapidly slipping off of the map, but when I logged in they had nearly everything. So tell me again how BP wins over DR because of tactics and not coverage?
Meh quit your crying and fight…. ive held your BL all day (Uk time) and took most of it with 5 guys and that included 2 up lvl’d players…. not my fault your 10-15 defending couldnt handle 5 of us at first …….. and then oh yes and THEN you throw 30 at our 15 and AGAIN get mowed down…. ya may be able to get it back now ive left =)
it was fun and i closed a gap on those points even though its just around 10k but its better than nothing
shrugs I logged in noon CST 6 people in DR border land… 15+ BP our weakest times haven’t changed since the inception of the server.
Wow… so Bp is playing for second now… even during the time they have an numbers advantage… wow.
Could be worse. They could be playing for T6.
-K
golf clap its funny watching you guys do exactly what you complained DR did when they passed through… but go ahead and keep a zerg in our BL I hope you go up another tier… the train wreck will be funny.
I get that ghost.. I don’t mind getting killed but its nice to at least have a fight… outmanned plus breakout event=no fight and no fun at all for defenders.
wish I could stay for the continued games but gotta be up before the sun and the sun has set for the night.