Guild Wars 2

phaeris.7604:

The thief he fought was terrible. As I said, no decent thief will get hit whilst in stealth.

You are good at mirrow climbing, really.

BurrTheKing.8571:

That was one of the most boring duels I have ever seen. Thief v Thief has to be one of worst possible matchups in the game if you like visceral fights.

It’s not about how much funny is the fight, is about what you can do knowing your/other classes. Again, if this guy can predict where other thief is everyone with practice can do that.

But i understand that it’s easier going on with this childish crusade, becouse you know with all the problems you can smash the face against in this game… nerf shortbow#1!!!!

phaeris.7604:

The issue is. they go stealth, and there’s no counter play. I can blow cooldowns/dodges trying to avoid the incoming damage, but they just stealth again if they don’t get the attack resetting the fight in their favour and your manouveres achieved nothing.

To people who say ‘You can predict where they are in stealth!’. Don’t, I mained a thief for a year, and if you’re any good on one your oponent has no idea where you are.

If this guy can c&d a stealthed thief you predict where he is and hit him.
The rest is just free complaints.

What: Shortbow#1
Why: OP against mesmers.

Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/Thief-Needs-Drastic-Changes/first#post3838657

Nerf thieves and shortbow1 becouse im mesmer!
But be constructive of course.

Are you serious?

Yeah unacceptable.
Now sorry but my flesh golem needs some food and gotta take the Omega to the mechanic. Someone wrote a line on its arm with a screwdriver.
Unacceptable.

Momentous strike hitted me 5768.
Isn’t it the damage from reckless dodge?

LOL another nurf teefs thread…..

anyway

Thieves are fine actually. You have to understand that the average player running around isn’t very good at 1v1 in WvW. The reason for that isn’t player skill, but rather their spec. Most people spec for zerg combat. While that is great for a zerg, it will not win a 1v1 vs anyone, especially against a thief who is running a 1v1 spec.

THIS.

Most people spec for zerg combat

Overall this, people.

Well atleast venoms can be fun and used in a build with a bit of immagination.. but traps? o.O

Meanwhile you all cry about d/p the wvw meta is still the same braindead hammer train, aoe spam, CCs everywhere etc..
If you face someone good d/p is not immortal..
So why would I want to see nerfed one of the best thief’s weaponset? Just becouse it’s cool writing on forum “im prohhhhh with my random build becouse is not mainstream QQ” ?
It’s just ridiculous guys, play your builds and don’t cry here please, it start to be really boring..

Gallows.4318:

DeWolfe.2174:

So…. if so many have been complaining in WvW about Thieves, maybe the profession has in fact been a broken concept?

Yeah, by that logic the earth would really still be flat.

LOL! you made my day
+1

Valentin.2073:

i don’t like it when i see a thief surviving a 1v3 fight.

So you should not like it when happens with other classes aswell, but the scapegoat thief is always cool. Maybe that thief was better then other 3 ppl, maybe better than you. Ah no right, you can kill every thief even if you are still crying here

As always the problem is the lootbag, the+1. not the balance.
Luckily tpvpers are the best player in the best balanced game… :P

My suggestion is remove thief class from the game becouse i can’t farm it when i run with my dear blobbyfarmingtrain. Since they can escape from me i can’t get the lootbag, and i cannot be forced to l2p just becouse if i’m in the zergtail i’m too “glassy” with my random zergy build, so why delete only d/p set when you can delete a whole class?
I like the breaindead metagame so pls devs delete thieves! so ppl like me can be strong enough while capturing a tower.

So? you change your build to do that, and you do ONLY that in your vid.
Again.. so?
I like you as a player and i like your vids but still don’t understand why this crusade full of nothing.
Never, and i repeat NEVER seen a thief who really permastealthed in that way as i never seen a thief wasting initiative with daze.
Since D/P is full of usefull skill i will never do that becouse it’s useless.
And last but not the least with the current braindead meta.. are you really pointing your class? o.O maybe it’s time to let the flow going on instead of “i play another build becouse i dont like the mainstream cheese QQ”

i’m hearing violin sound while you talking…
i kill here, i kill there, no problem blablabla but nerfnerfnerf.
If you can kill thieves good for you. Open the game and do that instead of forum warrioring in such childish way

Valentin.2073:

wow, a thief teaching a ranger to l2p. really ironic. i know how to deal with a thief.

If you know it, why are you crying?
the only issue i see here is the chronic “iopenanewstealththreadbecouseimbad”
meh, mirrow climbing everywhere

Pity devs take care only about farmers and gestore.
That’s why wvw is kitten and there is pve everywhere.

Most of people die becouse they are used to play in blobfarmingtrains (ofc wvw pow), not becouse this game doesn’t offer some counterplay… If you know your enemy you can beat it, otherwise complaints start as usual.
Also a lot of people start to run giving to thief their free back, and this is a thing that will never die.

Just take a look, for example, what this game is in pve side: brainless farm. Most difficult thing is party queue during a big boss event. And this is what people really want, farm.
You can farm a boss as you can farm a tower in wvw, and a farmer is clearly not a pvp player (even if in wvw side)

As always cries and complaints are cheaper and involve less brain.

Forzani.2584:

WvW and PvP are two totally different games. Again, flawed argument….especially since this is a WvW forum.

Stop with mirror climbing.

Anyway 7 pages of hysterical complaints from blobmasters.
That’s what i see here.
None is able to say something about balance, just nerf thieves becouse nerf thieves.
Meanwhile, again, what everyone see in wvw is the blob.
Guess mirror climbing is the new profession mixed with the forum warrioring..

oh man, simply <3

LOL with the amount of warriors, guards, stuns, ccs, condi clear…how can it be OP? o.O

And imo, nerfing bp is another way to force thief class to stay stealted instead of play visible…
Is it really fun this crusade against this class?

SoLeciTO.3490:

As i know WvW is about conquering castles, towers . . . for your server.

Why the !@#$% are you crying for a mesmer or a thief that you can not kill?

God this forum every day gets worst.

You know man, just take a look about farming trains.
You cant can’t take a thief you can’t get the lootbag QQ

Cynz.9437:

RyuDragnier.9476:

I’d change the time on the reveal of course to avoid it being too powerful. Like maybe 4-7 second reveal?

why…. why would stealth need a nerf on first place? it was already nerfed couple times

to 10th time: unless anet adds other means of survival there is no point nerfing stealth or add even more counters; thieves are not hard to kill unless you are glass ele

thieves are certanly not wvw first problem

what wins wvw matches? coverage, map zerg, hammer train… not thief stealth

But people want the easy bag, that’s the only explanation.
As i said, here it’s full of pvp heroes while, as we all know, wvw it’s full of blobs. They don’t get they can’t farm this class. That’s why you see only crycrycrynerfnerfnerf and NOTHING about real balance.
Meanwhile it’s full of braindead builds, aoe everywhere, CCs without dr but no one is able to kill a thief just becouse are all used to play stacked to commander spamming 111111111.
Timing? Dodge? trying to not to waste skills randomly?
Meh better going on with the same bullkittens, with misinformation, “it’s not fair” classic excuse.
It’s involve less brain.

Domey.9804:

Hah…All those bearbows, hambows and zerglings asking for more hardcounters and easymode Vs thief. Very amusing!
Get over it, thief is at least the king of Roaming.
If you cannot Beat an average thief, Stick to your blob or try getting better.

+1
all pvpheroes but i see only big blobs and fotm braindeadbuilds.
Guess farming towers start to be too much boring, poor guys

LordByron.8369:

warrior and mesmer are about sustained…..except shatter mesmers..
And yes its how burst profession are supposed to work in ANY game..

You mean like this?

or this?

heh it’s indeed how it should works!!!!11!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!
rofl

nurf teef pls!!!! its unfeir!!

This childish and silly campaign still exist becouse most of people in wvw play in brainless zerg mode and when happens to be out of the hug of the mom (zerg) this people is an easy target.

This campaing still exist becouse in this game there is the “without holy trinity and the possibility to do what i want with my class” wrong thought, so people think to be able to kill everyone and handle every situation with any random build. Wrong.

The campaign still exist even the braindead meta that most of wvwers like. Spam aoe here aoe spam there.
Spam CCs like there is no tomorrow, spam condition like butter on a slice of bread.
And roaming classes must die!!! becouse i’m smashing random buttons on my keyboard and can’t be possibile that my character, builted with tanky gear becouse collecting bags and farming towers is cool, is not able to kill that zerky enemy.

This campaign still exist becouse it’s easier coming here and start to compain every day instead of play better.

This campaing still exist becouse this is not a fair 1vs1 arena but people still not understand that.

Meanwhile i see karma train everywhere. So where are all these prouds pvp crusaders?

TheGuy.3568:

I never understand theses post. In 3 sentences or less wth are you asking for or about? What point are you trying to make?

THIS

Lol at this childish crusade with posts full of nothing and boring trolls.

Same here.
Annoying as hell

Sometimes i have an issue like this one with my shadowstep in wvw. Dunno if it’s the same problem, but i guess it’s rubberbanding becouse anet servers are bad.

Wait wait wait, thieves forced people out of wvw and into zerg blobs only? o.O
You mean thieves forced people farming towers and 1111111 for lootbags? O_O
I hope i just misunderstood, otherwise it’s the worst excuse of laziness and nubiness ever said.

To be honest talking about thief spam in this ccaoespam meta is quite silly.
Asking day after day for thief nerfs doesn’t help the class to become better, but i can understand that for people (speaking in a general way) is easier spam 1111111 in zerg for tagging people and get some loot then try to understand (how to fight) a class.

Overall i’d like to know how HS spam can kill people like flies.
Maybe dodge button is broken? Who knows..

Coldtart.4785:

you (justifiably) can’t contest spvp capture points while in stealth and a sneaky single-target spike attack is just not threatening in the larger fights of wvw.

Agree about capture points but that’s also the consequence of crycrycrynerfnerfnerf.
“In the name of balance we must destroy a class” this is the people’s common thought.
Anyway not everyone likes aoe spam in wvw just for lootbags and in the meanwhile a thief can do a lot

vincecontix.1264:

Forzani.2584:

Svarty.8019:

I’m pig sick of this:

Looks similar to what I had today.

4146 C/D
7278 BS
5871 H/S
5762 H/S

This was against my Warrior with 30025 HPs and 2012 Toughness. No other class in the game hits me that hard…and I can see them.

LOL a warrior complaining check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDCOFB78ZzA&feature=youtu.be

What i like is 25k HP, invulnerability, passive healing and cyarunningaway trolling a whole group.
But hey! I can see them!!!!!

TL;DR
Didn’t mention the output damage, it’s like beating a dead horse.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

Why not just remove the Leap combo from Heartseeker? How much would that affect the class in a bad way Vs how it would make the class more balanced not to be able to go stealth so easily and for us a low cost.

Balance is not ruining class becouse your are bad.

Sanduskel.1850:

the problem is that you assume zero lag. Thieves benefit from lag more than any other class. I’ve seen enemies unresponsive to my burst thief simply because all 4 hits land at once from their perspective. they tell me later that it looks as though they got hit for 20k all at once. you cannot respond to that. sorry.

Stop with misinformation pls. Thief class needs a lot of timing even if people think the other way around. The lag is NOT the culling, lag means wrong timing.
Who benefits from lag are classes that spam aoe attacks.
Stop with misinformation and trolling. The game is funny when it’s short.

Amurond.4590:

mrmadhaze.8706:

To be honest last time a full glass thief got me was becouse i saw him but i was too slow. A full glassy can’t stay too much in stealth so if he saw you, you’d have to see him as well. Paying attention is not an optional. It’s like crying becouse a sniper sniped you. He did his job, you were too much uncovered.
Looking at the pic Flame Blast was from an engi not from a thief, so ok you didn’t see the thief, but.. don’t you see a bunch of enemies?! At this point i can assume that everyone can gank you with a glassy build and get you with few hits till you dont pay attention.

Welcome to Gw2. Bit too condescending for someone who doesn’t know what a flame blast is in this context though. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sigil_of_Fire

Ignoring the other troll posts about not seeing stealth classes.

You know man, with all the whines it’s easy thinking the worst case.
And you know stealth can do a lot but that does’t change the point: this kind of build can’t stay in stealth too much since it involves all traits and utilties to damage and, as i said, if he saw you, you’d have to see him as well.
If you don’t pay attention don’t come here and cry pls.

Svarty.8019:

I’m pig sick of this:

Breakstun if needed and dodge.
It’s not so hard to do…
I’m sick of whines

To be honest last time a full glass thief got me was becouse i saw him but i was too slow. A full glassy can’t stay too much in stealth so if he saw you, you’d have to see him as well. Paying attention is not an optional. It’s like crying becouse a sniper sniped you. He did his job, you were too much uncovered.
Looking at the pic Flame Blast was from an engi not from a thief, so ok you didn’t see the thief, but.. don’t you see a bunch of enemies?! At this point i can assume that everyone can gank you with a glassy build and get you with few hits till you dont pay attention.

ArmageddonAsh.6430:

mrmadhaze.8706:

Just fix it with some automatic revealed buff while inside enemy safe zone or what the hell.
But for some people it’s easier start to cry in the same way about the same class, is it true ArmaQQonAsh?

The class has had a broken stealth mechanic from release. The ONLY people that will defend a class with a mechanic that allows them to jump in and out of stealth every 3-4seconds are thieves.

As much as i would i dont like it, i think Stealth needs to be handled the same way it is in WoW, want to have stealth? Time to make it so they go SLOWER than normal speed, say 25% slower with a high costing trait to removal that. Then Once in combat Your stealth is very much limited, You have access to it but its of WHEN to use it and not a spammable mechanic

Then they should fix the classes Initiative cost, all they need to do is burst in force you to use cool downs stealth away, reset the fight and regain health and initiative and rinse and repeat, stealth has No risk to it what so ever. Sure you might get caught once in a while but when it is SO easy to reset a fight and have all your weapon skills ready to be spammed again while your target has cool downs it makes it very unbalanced.

Played necro for 9 months, started a thief just for 1) fun 2) l2p the class (know your enemy) 3) bored about the brainless aoe spam meta in wvw.
If you need that nerfbat you’re simply admitting you are not able to handle thieves after 1 year. And this is not a game’s issue or a problem related to the op, just your’s.

Anyway as i said an instant revealed buff should be enough when you pass through an enemy safe zone.

Just fix it with some automatic revealed buff while inside enemy safe zone or what the hell.
But for some people it’s easier start to cry in the same way about the same class, is it true ArmaQQonAsh?

That would be a great idea.
In a RvR gamestyle would be nice a real thief role.
Pity arena does’t care about roles..
Hope a dev reads this thread and gives us his opinion about that, also becouse steal should be something more then an utility

I just wonder how many times you have fallen from the highchair when you were a baby.
Merry Christmas Burnfall!!

:D

Excalibur.9748:

Okay so it’s still an issue.

http://www.twitch.tv/sakraycore/b/489194722

I haven’t submitted it to the bug section, part of me still wants to believe that ANET devs lurk in this place.

If they do it’s becouse of nerfs

This is why thief class is getting nerfed patch after patch:
junky threads.

just meh

Nuzt.7894:

So, Warrior escaping while fully visible = Not ok
Thieves escaping while fully invisible = Ok
Hint, there is really no difference between the two regardless of speed. I suppose you could try CC’ing the visible Warrior, but that is just crazy talk.

So, warriors escaping while full visible with passive regen, high armor/health, stability and invulnerability, condi clear = OK

Thieves escaping with permastealth nerf, low armor/health, they can be damaged and cced while in stealth (i know, it’s hard to understand but it’s true) = not ok becouse they are thieves and they are OP period QQ

Funny becouse people who always cried about fight reset is now the same that enjoy their new toy. Enjoy christmas kids!

Oghier.7419:

People get engraged that thieves can escape fights. They miss the fact that, if the thief is fleeing, that doesn’t mean the thief won.

They also miss the fact that there are other classes that can do the same things, but in this game if a thief does something is OP and deserve to be nerfed.
Guess becouse people need their scapegoat.
So what’s next? mobility nerf?

Sometimes i wanna write something here but people is so boring that i don’t know what i can say.
What a thief should do? Explain us what a thief class should do.
I cannot understand why there are classes that can put on stability and invulnerability and running away but hey, thieves can blink up on bridges! nerf them!

Edit: mesmers can blink in the same way.

This is a game and playing a class, in this case thief, should be funny and enjoyable. Devs are doing everything in their power to make the class frustrating.