Guild Wars 2

Not that DH virtues are so good. I mean the suicide jump that kills you becouse it heals at the end of the leap, so it happens that you’re trying to leap away and you die midair. Or the shield thing that also gives you aegis and poof!! aegis is gone even under the shield: there is even a thread about that.

Ah funny about how virtues radius got nerfed and then suddenly pops a new class with boonsharing..

You can look at this class from every prospective you want and it’s still a mess.

Arcaedus.7290:

Ezrael.6859:

And we also have various skills that count as projectiles and therefore get reflected back or destroyed but carry no benefits of being projectiles, only downsides.
Sword chain 3, Sword 3, Torch 4, Staff 2, Focus 4, Hammer 3, Scepter 1. ALL get reflected

The game escalated a lot with various forms of personal survival through evades, reflection, damage immunity and blocks, Guardian was left behind.

These are two very valid points and your first point is the #1 thing I want fixed due to how easy it would be to fix and how overdue it is.

I’m going to keep repeating this until it gets fixed but: during the beta weekend events before HoT was released, rev sword mainhand’s auto chain #3 was a projectile. Players complained about it and devs responded then fixed it to no longer be a projectile in 1 week. The fact that our sword auto hasn’t also been fixed is completely unacceptable. ANET: either give it a triple 100% projectile finisher, if you really intended it to be a projectile, or change it to a non projectile attack. An auto attack with a melee weapon should never be reflectable in any case. Ever.

You are right on rev’s sword but you have to understand that this class is born and built around HoT selling copies, so it had to be so strong and held by the hand of devs. That’s why for example we have a silly and totally reflectable true shot meanwhile there is a wild Unrelenting Assault like OP said.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

sorrychief.2563:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

sorrychief.2563:

no need to thank me boys.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_the_Traveler
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Superior_Rune_of_Speed

You linked a guide on “How to Wreck Your DPS”

your call m8, anet gave you the choice of 25% movespeed or 175 power. there is also http://battle.net if you want everything instantly and now.

Tell that to a burn guard losing 60% burn duration.

To be honest i find it a nice trade off.
Overall there is just too much guardian hate and actually i don’t want a +25% speed. With it devs would probably nerf something else so no ty.
That’s why, besides all the problems, i find guard quite balanced if compared to other profession cos you need to choose between damage/whatever and speed. Something that should even exist for other classes imo.

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

Skyline Crash.6254:

EvilSardine.9635:

Skyline Crash.6254:

Nah, its fine the way it is.

Hey, I realize you need your crutch but all good guardians agree that this skill is overpowered and needs tweaking.

It’s strong but its not OP. Especially the fact that you are rooted in place. If it gets nerfed, then atleast unroot it.

a 0.75 root is nothing when the target is CC;ed or immobilsed and for that amount of damage a 0.75 root is enough and won’t be removed.

with all the different type of Abilities DH can have , from my Balancing experience of playing guild wars for 11years since gw1 beta .

this Trueshot ether needs Piercing removed or a Damage reduction (if you don’t except ether ) the cooldown needs to increase 7-10k with Piercing should not be on a 5second cooldown even with a root 0.75seconds is not long at all when used in Co-op with a immobiise from a team mate or a different source of CC.

it rewards too much ether way.

From your balancing experience when the target is CCed or immobilized could and should use a stunbreak or a condi clean. This game is plenty of hard and soft cc, plus blocks and dodges and all of them are not a guardian’s prerogative. Overall since it roots the guardian you can even outplay smartly with the los. Or do you prentend to not be even damaged at all?

Jesus guys ok complain on forum but after a bit it really seems a kindergarten festival.
Traps are too strong. Virtues are too much op but who cares if you can interrupt them just delete them so i can play easy. Longbow is too much opopop it should root more, longer animation, lower damage, slower attack, no blind becouse hey i dont wanna slot condi clean and even if i have it, what if i dont wanna use it? Who are you to telling me i should? YOU ARE NOT MY MOTHER!!!
No pierce! uh and the block?! oh god when i see the animation i don’t have enough reaction time! And what if i want to keep moving even if i have the kitten chains around me?!?

cmon…

EvilSardine.9635:

Skyline Crash.6254:

Nah, its fine the way it is.

Hey, I realize you need your crutch but all good guardians agree that this skill is overpowered and needs tweaking.

Pity who agree that this skill is op is everyone else that got their kitten kicked.
Overall they are that kind of ppl that write here and there in the forum opopnerfnerf

katuro.6271:

Wether you think I am a bad player or not .They WILL nerf DH with on of the next patches.

Remember my words

Of course they will. You know why? Becouse of this silly crusades.
You didnt show us that traps are op, you just did gave us the evidence that most of players want to play brainless.
Not dodging traps = i pretend to stay in a place without taking damage.
Besides a skill is strong or not..

katuro.6271:

Do you really know whats going on in PVP at the moment?

Yeah. People actualy loves standing in red circles and running through them (test of FaithQI op!!) without dodging and the video proves it.

Traps are really strong and tbh i though people were exagerating a bit with the “just evade to counter” becouse of daze boons etc but hell, you are the evidence that they were and are right.

Sincerly from a wvw player (mediguard/medi-dragon hunter), where traps are near to be dumb and useless and your silly crusade will bring nerfs even there.

brannigan.9831:

Don’t be so sour there are tons of op elites. You can’t blame people for playing what is strong. It’s up to A-net to balance things. The pvp season starts December 1 I guarantee you there will be lots of changes to DH and the other elites to bring them more in line with the old builds before that happens.

Traps can be even toned down for what i care, i’m more worried about other “fixes” since anet is gentle like a lawnmower when it comes to balance. And you know with this huehuehuekids’ crusade on… sigh..

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Gwalchgwn.1659:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Amaya.1483:

You should thanks those people, having some really really bad Players on DH will maybe show people that you can kill them hahaha

Highly agree!

I’m tired of stupid thieves talking crap in say chat that I only killed them because I’m using OP DH. And it definately isn’t the thousands of hours I have on guardian, and it’s not the fact a stupid thief decided to 1v1 a guardian.

So you killed them because you’re using guardian* and not DH? So it’s just Guardian OP to thieves? (I’m not saying this, but that’s what you last sentence kind of implies)

There is a reason metabattle has dps guardian as a counter to thief.

So what I was implying with the last part, is thieves are foolish for fighting a dps guardian including a DH whether or not a single trap was used. And me being a very experienced guardian, I was going to win regardless of what dps guardian build I ran.

So thieves need to stop crying about DH’s and choose their fights more wisely. DPS guardian has always owned thieves even if dps guardian was out of meta for a while and considered weak.

BUTBUTBUT i wanna inc randomly with a random build!! and win! Yas!

I agree with OP. A skill that deals damage when you pass through it, no counterplay. Why life is so unfair.

Test of Faith should be renaimed Test of QI, for Christ sake..

I still would jump into wvw and playing the specs i paied for without that pve grind disease.. well grind in general is a desease.

HP are lowered but core issue is still there so pity is just a little bandaid.

66 pages later i tried to do some """serious""" pve for spec. As i said in another post im a wvw-only player and again, as i said before, i don’t like pve. Sure map is great, awesome design etc etc but at this point is just a kick in the balls. I just wanna come back home from work and play wvw with elite spec. Nothing else. That’s what i paied for this expansion.
Not grind in pve, not pvd in eotm with ktrains.
If i have to do things slowy in wvw maps with old specs and “enjoy” something months later i could have not buy the game since new borders are for everybody.
Plain and simple.

LOL wvw maps are kinda empty becouse everyone is trying to farm the elite spec with the silly hero point system in pve/eotm. Plus halloween events.
Which kind of exodus are you talking about..

As a wvw player only i paied the game for playing with elite spec in wvw not for any kind of grind. I already have a job. If people like pve, the grind, jps or whatever you want is fine for me just don’t force the others to do things they don’t want to.
And before someone pops out telling me “well if you play pve maybe you start to like it!” no. Already tried and i really hate it. Wasting the few time i have in pve maps makes me hating it even more.

Levelling specs in wvw is kinda the same. It’s not really an option. I wanna enjoy HoT with hot things not waste my time.

oneply.9586:

personally i find lb/gs power ranger to be the easiest to counter and the worst build for team play.
i haven’t been playing a long time, but from what ive read and seen, ranger melee is a very untapped build by the community. its a much higher skill cap than ranger bow skill/builds. so its no surprise. but a ranger that knows how to fight with melee is very very difficult.

True. But melee is untapped just becouse eveyone can troll with lb. At least in wvw a lot of people picked up ranger class just for pewpew from range and even if people try to defend it minding an hypotetical 1v1 is pure cancer. And melee or condi bunker could even be hard to fights or get an higher skill cap to play with, but since you can spam 1..

IMO thief’s traps might work but not in the same way ranger’s do (i’m not sure about grammar etc ). What would change? The design. Let me copy/past what i wrote in another thread:

I just wanna put my thought here about thief traps and new siege trap.
It’s a wasted opportunity.
Was the opportunity imo to create something new, something like a new role for the thief.
Maybe an elite (or in other case as a steal improvement, but this is a thread about traps) able to “daze” sieges for a bunch of seconds, just 2 or 3 not too much with a big cooldown. Just the time to open a breach for allies, something like that. It would have added more sense to the thief that goes behind the enemy lines, more sense to the stealth stacking and a lot more sense to the worst debuff ever, the revealed crap.
Unluckily it won’t happens i guess, bad design is just.. bad.

Now this is just an example of course, but i think there is a way to create variety in a game.
What dev team lacks is the fantasy.

dancingmonkey.4902:

mrmadhaze.8706:

meanwhile diamond skin…..

What does this have to do with engineer?

If you wish to discuss another professions bad passive mechanic, please go do so on their forums and don’t use it to troll this one. Thanks.

It’s not trolling sir, it’s about what it’s wrote in this thread:
bad trait, overall a grandmaster trait, meanwhile some other hardcouters are still there.

What should i say? How wonderful were the old good days? Chill.

meanwhile diamond skin…..

DeceiverX.8361:

The issue doesn’t rely in revealed as it does the SA line having too many useful effects that the entire class lacks elsewhere, such as any form of in-combat stat defense and most notably, condition cleansing.

If more condition cleansing was added to the class, SA would be a very niche trait line, and revealed would be a hard counter to stealth-based builds. That’s totally fine. If you build to hard-counter stealth, stealth-exclusive players should have a window of vulnerability.

The problem, though, is that thieves can’t get access to important effects without being stealthed. Given slightly better condition cleansing through more trait lines or simply by adding some cleanse effects to existing utility skills, the whole stealth and Shadow Arts debacle wouldn’t be an issue.

Indeed man, indeed. But doesn’t seem that devs wanna rework thief class. Atleast not in that way looking at patchnotes.

Revealed is not a counterplay is an hardcounter to a mechanic, it’s slighty different.
Like it’s different compare it to deathshround since it’s used both as a attack weapons/defend system.
If you want a counter play you make a visible debuff since it’s what all people cry about, the fact they don’t see the thief.

point is only one:
revealed is the worst and unfair mechanic they could have ever developed.
i can understand something like a visibile debuff but prevent to use a whole traitline is just crap.
And it’s more crap that none of devs have thought about that.

vincecontix.1264:

Also lets be serious if players are running a zerg build in pvt gear and get cause of guard against a dueling/roaming build and lose, should people really be complaining about that?

Problem is that most of cries on forum start becouse people really do run with a zerg build…
It’s the same problem i already wrote here and there: people pretend to be immortal with any random build in any circumstance, and this is clarily impossible.
This is how the forum is going on and this is how thief got nerfed (and big IMO warrior overpowered)

inb4:

But but but engi is op and enemies so nubs!! QQ

BobbyT.7192:

just buff back the boon steal of the thief again >_> problem somewhat solved

oh my god no why do you do this thief op nerf it we are doomed QQ

Pretty much this but people cried so hard about boonsteal thief…
And i’d like to see that again, but the same people who wants build diversity in this game don’t want counters to their builds

quote and id like to see more boonstripping skills on thief’s steal.
It would be more important for the class becouse now imo is a bit underdeveloped.

messiah.1908:

Loading.4503:

how about a leap where u spin your staff above your head like a helicopter and fly off into the sunset?

that would be just op

but so romantic..

I just wanna put my thought here about thief traps and new siege trap.
It’s a wasted opportunity.
Was the opportunity imo to create something new, something like a new role for the thief.
Maybe an elite (or in other case as a steal improvement, but this is a thread about traps) able to “daze” sieges for a bunch of seconds, just 2 or 3 not too much with a big cooldown. Just the time to open a breach for allies, something like that. It would have added more sense to the thief that goes behind the enemy lines, more sense to the stealth stacking and a lot more sense to the worst debuff ever, the revealed crap.
Unluckily it won’t happens i guess, bad design is just.. bad.

[skillbar] [Warrior]: Necropost
Ability to necropost something useless in the hope to see it nerfed in the next feature pack.
The warrior can still smash his face on the keyboard.

From a wvw player only this new system is the worst thing ever for alts.
Never looked at that since i started a new toon becouse of boring things in wvw, but i think i’ll give up soon.

I already got a job dear devs, i don’t want another one for trait unlock.
And to be honest this is not the best thing to tempt someone to play pve. Never liked before i hate it now.

i just think that devs don’t really know what to do and probably they are not able to do something.
This game is too much lore oriented. I can’t even say pve- oriented since most pve mechanics are craps aswell (atleast it’s what i read on forum, didnt play it too much i don’t like gw2 pve to be honest).
They nerf here and there just to stop the kid crowd crying and nothing else.
That’s why instead of real balance and addressing real issues you will see this kind of nerfs/fix/patches.
And even when they will try to do something it will be too late.
PIty becouse this game seemed nice.

gotta love gw2 community, their anti thief crusades and the mods that let this crap going on.

Hitman.5829:

• Chill should last longer in thieves to compensate for the immunity. In other words, a longer cool down on their utility skills.

ROFL
Where is my iwin button? QQ

The patch is about stacking so work as intended.

Another nerfteef thread can be close then.

weird thing is:

it saved my life sometimes.

second weird thing is:

if you fix it in something usefull prepare you anus for nerfteefstorm threads.
I mean, more nerfteefstorm threads..

The only thing that should be nerfed is the mod that let this kind of threads.

(inb4 another infraction meanwhile this senseless junky threads proliferation)

Junkpile.7439:

I play EotM 2-5 hours/day and never even think to go normal www. Superior game mode is superior.

how can be the brainless farm a superior game mode? o.O
roflmao, guess someone is right here i cannot pretend to much from gw2 players

facerollinception

lol i guess you lost badly that time…
But true story is every class can do 1vsX if the player is good and enemies are bad

What i don’t understand is why mods let this kind of threads.
(ofc i will get infraction for that so cya all)

more than a game mode is a waste of map.
Very good design just for farm, aka for nothing..
It’s a waste.
Turn it in a real wvw map deleting the farming crap would be great but pity this is a pve game..

The players killed EotM, not the devs… The map have a lot of potential, but it was all wasted by the greed of players. Anyone that belive otherwise is making him/herself a fool.

im not saying you are wrong becouse it’s true, it’s the player’s attitude.. but after kittentons of threads about how bad is karma train, defending and claiming systems need some little fixes, commander need to be reworked a bit etc etc etc… well at this point gotta be honest and say that devs have their fault, becouse the crappy mechanic is still the same..
Building a new beautiful map with the same old wrong mechanic and not pointing devs is like let the honey jar open on the table.
Stupid flies you say, but who let the jar open?

ShakeyStorm.7180:

Correction anti-stealth. And I am not for removing or providing a “one button” counter for stealth. Just toning it down a bit.

Just so happens thief abuses Stealth to the point that it becomes obvious that without stealth, they do not know how to play.

Warriors have been in worse situations but we try different builds. Even the most laughable ones sometimes results in something good.

Perhaps it is time that the Thief players L2P without depending on Stealth too much.

indeed but no need to log and spam in all stealth thread about your frustrations just becouse a thief got you. Perhaps it is time that bad warriors l2p without depending on forum complaints?

with ma necro im bad against tifffs nerf them

phaeris.7604:

Stealth should drop as soon as the thief attacks.

If he gets evaded/blocked he should come out of stealth. It’s what makes stealth so unbalanced compared to other games versions. There’s no risk involved.

Spam button 1 until you get the backstab, don’t worry if he has a shield up or dodges your first two clumsy attempts, you get to keep trying until you land it. If I miss with my updraft I don’t get a refresh until it lands.

An attack even if evaded or blocked should still count as an attack and remove stealth. That would balance it entirely. It raises the skill cap without destroying the class.

Tell us how much balanced is if thief get reveled debuff (drop stealth = revealed) for every single kitten does in this game, without destroying the class ofc…….

Indeed, organization is op as hell in this game.
But this is not a qq thread, so we can move on.

now you must make some thief hunting vids :P

Chew Magna.4830:

Warhorn mainhand weapon. You’d have to blow it every attack including autos.

Necro would become master of headaches and fainting!

I will agree with it the day i’ll see a counter to any single class in this game. Till that day every single complain like that is just a useless cry, maybe from the same people that use hambow, pu mesmers, perplex engis, guardianspamming1inblobs etc etc etc.

And the funny thing is that none try to say “well we can trade this with that”. No, just “i wanna the revelaed buff for 10 minutes, no escapes, no crits, slowed, no ini regen so i can landing 11111 and kill the thief and get my lootbag”.

First most important thing about balance is…balance. And this forum is full of nothing but nerfcries.

Most of wvw people i found in wvw maps were there becouse of tower farming. Of couse none is angrier if the same crappy mechanic is still there.
A nice start would be fixing what we have, from commander/s system to defence (system). guild’s involving etc.
Maybe turning eotm into a regular wvw map stopping the pve teasing, i don’t know.
Hell, this is wvw not pve, but seems devs still dont understand the difference.

People just gave up.

Triston.7639:

I think it’s stupid that you have to go out in PvE and get them! I’m a WvW / PvP player and I dislike PvE much.

I don’t know if there is main thread about that but, since i’m a wvw player only as well, i agree with you.
Though to make another toon for run but till there will be this system.. no more characters for me.

Worst system ever forcing people playing pve or wasting money for unlock traits.

Stop hiding your head under the sand with what devs said.
No trinity doesn’t mean no roles.
That’s why i see zerker only blobs with random characters and build, so much variety!! becouse the meleehammerbunker role doesn’t exist
It’s just an excuses.
Easy to claim it when you need something to say for your crystorm.

I just don’t understand why a 1v1 class, becouse thief it’s a dueler and you know it, should be nerfed just becouse everyone pretend to be effective against everyone and in every circumstance with any random build.

Also becouse what i see in wvw is just a big tower farming blob
Just a kittenildish, huh? Overall becouse most of you play some builds as much cheesy as thief’s :p