Guild Wars 2

Arcadio.6875:

I can only imagine you guys destroying T4, getting excited about your new opponents, fighting hard on the battlefield, then going on the forums to read on what people are saying about the match only to see its CD and FA arguing about stuff that happened before the match.

Yep I keep coming here to see if anyone is talking about me. Makes me sad they aren’t and I slink back to work.

Can someone from [MLM] Meeting Of The Lost Minds on Crystal Desert pm me? Or maybe someone who can get in touch with them?

Waking.6052:

EnRohbi.2187:

Someone from FA danced on the corpse of my level 24 warrior today, after I stood there and let them kill me (Who am I going to beat at level 24? I can barely kill sentries). Some people have no class.

Hi, I’m on FA. That was kind of silly to dance on your corpse. Sorry that happened. You want some help killing sentries? It’s possible even on level 24, because your stats are ranked up in WvW. With Green armor, you can kite a sentry well with most classes. Otherwise take advantage of blind (or any other damage decreasers) if you are a melee class. Keep in mind that if you are soloing a veteran sentry you’d do it the same way you solo any sentry in PvE, and they aren’t hard as long as you get some practice.

Yeah, just let us know when you are on En Rohbie. We’ll get the whole guild to come give you a hand with those mean sentries.

Had a fun fight against an FA mesmer inside Hills today in our BL. I’m assuming she was going to hide and I caught her on the icy bridge. Sorry I couldn’t give back as good as you were doing, but trying to fight a mesmer, not fall off the bridge and type for help in chat was too much. Anywhere else I’d go 1v1, but inside the keep is too big of a risk to not call in help.

siph.5124:

EnRohbi.2187:

That was some exciting battle inside CD BL’s Hills Keep a moment ago.

I’m honestly surprised we held you off and managed to push you back out.
I’m sure it won’t be the last we see of you there

It was a very close fight. DB has a kung-foo grip on that keep.

Only bad part was that a bunch of us DB left our Hills keep in our BL to come defend the one in CD. So we lost a keep to FA, but held on to an upgraded one. Not enough forces to do both.

And it’s so frustrating to run from our garrison to hills to help defend against FA, only to run into 5 CD cutting off reinforcements. Maybe they were intentionally helping FA, maybe they had no clue why we were going to Hills, maybe they were just out having fun, but it was frustrating none the less.

Gismor.8407:

I had lots of fun last night on Dragonbrand borderlands, I believe the primary defending Guild was [Krew]? They did a great job in my opinion. Crystal Desert did a good job too, we had a little hiccup at the beginning and then half of my guild, Last Words [LW] got disconnected, including both of our Pins on the map, but we managed to rally and sit at Bay for about an hour or so, staring at the wall HOPING for some action.

[Krew] had one side of our BL.

I was on about from about 7pm to 1am MST last night. I swear we had that Bay wall down for hours, just couldn’t get enough troops over there to take it. At one point someone said they weren’t getting numbers on the treb. I said they must not be hitting because how could a wall be down and you guys still built a WP? I can’t believe how many trebs we built and how long we trebbed it for.

Evalana.5480:

It really does. So crazy! The scores are basically within 100-500 points of eachother!

The real questions is, what are you doing in PvE? Get back in the war.

Wizardauz.3761:

Almost a thousand badges alone this week, and a couple exotics! This week was pretty awesome

Funny thing was it was only DB giving me exotics…. They apparently have better RNG.

You know who i’ll be farming tonight

I carry supply, siege and extra exotics on me at all times. If I’m downed I just throw a few exotics on the ground.

Archer.1658:

nalenb.1425:

Only fun I had tonight was trying to kill this guy in the invulnerable zone.

What really happened:
DB zerg came in to rescue you.

Yep, I was part of the “zerg” of 10 that came in to stop the take over of the camp. But really I was so bored of just running around re-flipping camps. So watching people on my server try to kill someone with the determined buff on was entertaining.

And I found my first mesmer ever this morning sweeping Bay. Found her hiding inside the rocks. I died while typing for help, hehe.

Only fun I had tonight was trying to kill this guy in the invulnerable zone.

“We currently use server-side report culling to limit the number of characters that any given game client is aware of. By limiting the number of characters that we report to any given client we also limit the bandwidth used (by the server and the client) and avoid situations where the client is overwhelmed by the number of characters that need to be processed and rendered. While this system has some obvious advantages, and it works well in PvE, the large battles that are the signature of WvW tend to highlight the deficiencies of this approach.”

Nowhere in this anet post does it indicate that server side culling has any effect on a 1v1, away from other players fight. Does anyone have a direct reference to where anet has said they expect their culling fix to address thieves ability to stay stealthed longer than they should? Does anyone have a reference to where anet has said anything about issues with thieves?

TyPin.9860:

@naleb: I am raising my own ele now. I’ll see if what u say is true. It just doesn’t fit my experience with them. I find fighting ele actually more annoying then thieves, not meaning that they are too strong. They have but a insane survivability. Yet, as a mesmer, to chase smth is a pain in the kitten

Yeah, I have a hard time with mesmers. Today I was killed quickly by one. I checked the combat log and added up all the damage it said the mesmer did to me. Came out to 2.8k total vs. my hp of 17k. After talking it over with guild mates I realized I killed myself via confusion. Mesmer probably chuckled over it.

But now I know. I used to think I just had to chase down and kill the “real” mesmer and that was it. Now I’ll watch the conditions I have on me closer.

However, that fight was probably 1-2 minutes long. I had chances to escape even. I knew the mesmer was there and I realized my mistake afterwards. I feel like this might not happen so quickly the next mesmer I meet.

With thieves it’s either 2-4 hits and I’m dead or 2 hits, I react and they run. I’d really like to see all the videos of these thief killers so I can learn.

TyPin.9860:

I can only repeat: learn2play!

The eles I see do big dmg and have great healing. Don’t trust the tooltips, they are mostly wrong, go out and see the numbers ur attacks do on the opponent.

The tooltips are not wrong, they represent an average of the weapon attack vs. an average 80 (I forget the actual armor value they use for the calcs, but it’s on the wiki). It gives you an idea how much damage a skill does even though in actual combat obviously it changes depending on the stats of your opponent.

No d/d eles I know of would ever say they do big damage. Heck even glass canon staff eles don’t do big damage. I’ve dueled other d/d eles and we give up after 5-10 minutes because we can out damage the other so much that they can’t heal through it.

I a dueled a warrior and won twice. His burst was amazing, he’d burn me from 17k hp to about 4k in 2 seconds, but I could then create distance and heal up. Took me 5+ minutes to eventually wear him down with my 1k hits.

Look at the fight club videos, there’s a d/d ele vs. guardian that’s 25 minutes long.

Bah, useless arguing on the internet.

Ninya.3942:

Lol, you claim to have been raged by a thief as a D/D ele in PVT gear, you didn’t bother to dodge? Use shocking aura? Mist form? Armor of earth? Lightning flash? Back draft? So many moves to counter backstab thief, but you just let them rage you. You were either afk or something else was going on, cause if you are anything other than a glass cannon D/D and are paying attention there is plenty you can do against back stab thieves.

I was stunned after the first 2 attacks which came instantly. Of all the things you listed only mist form or lightning flash would have saved me. I said I hit Shocking Aura by mistake – mistake because I was stunned it didn’t go off. Lightning flash needs a ground target to get off so it’s hard to pull of very quickly when you don’t expect it.

So, aside from mist form, exactly what is it that I need to do against backstab thieves?

Sometimes I think people who don’t think thieves are a problem are playing a different game. I just don’t get it.

I play WvW almost exclusively and have just gotten used to the thief tax – i.e. I’m going to pay repairs a few times an hour from being ganked. I’m mostly roam alone or scout.

Last week I got ganked for 24.1k. Steal, backstab (then I mistakenly pressed #3 instead of mist form), heart seeker, heart seeker. Total time was about 3 seconds, I literally had time to press 1 key. Never saw the thief till they spiked me. Open plains west of Bay, just the 2 of us. If culling affects large groups as anet says, then culling wasn’t an issue.

I’m a d/d ele. in full exotic pvt gear. 1622 toughness, 2542 armor. Aside from food buffs that the maximum I can have. I’ve 1v1’d a lot in duels and have about a 50% record now, so I know I’m not terrible.

The way I see it:
ele – great movement, crappy damage, no stealth
thief – great movement, great damage, stealth

On my setup under fire attunement which is “heavy damage”, fire grab is the largest damage I can do, and the tooltip is 1103 (or 1765 against burning foes). Or I can try to cast my other “big” attack – churning earth. 3 3/4 second cast time, can’t move while casting, obvious animation, and the kicker? It hits for a whopping 2049.

So I had to decided – quit WvW or live with it. I really don’t think anet will fix it – they don’t see it as a problem. So I just live with it. Yeah it stinks, yeah it’s unbalanced and unfair, but WvW is still fun on the whole.

8:30 am MST

DB 195572 – 545
YB 116382 – 45
EB 99664 – 105

Can someone from YB MisT guild pm me?

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/evolution/na

Pretty interesting graph too. I think DB is the only server to have a major fall in the ranks and recover so far.

Prepare for the event and then leave 1 person as a sentry to watch and refresh siege.

EvilSardine.9635:

I started off as a staff ele and a few months after release I gave D/D a try and it was straight up easy mode from then on. You can EASILY and I mean EASILY go up against 3-5 opponents and they will not kill you. There’s plenty of videos on youtube showing it in action. Look up a few builds (Particularly bunker builds with 30 into arcana) and you’ll be set.

I started staff too and hated it. Before giving up I tried D/D and now that’s all I do. I’ve dueled a bunch in WvW and have been lots of professions and lost to them as well. Very good class/spec for WvW.

Air attunement focus 4 ability for protecting siege from trebs and catas. Get a few other eles to join you to keep protection up 100%. Always carry a focus.

Sykper.6583:

Man, this thread needs to tone it down a bit, here, a haiku of my day today:

Chasing Dragonbrand,
Thought said player was alone,
Buried in Arrows.

- Jornosh, Dead Arrow Covered Warrior of YB

I love leading people on a chase when I can a whole bunch of green dots on the map. Lesson is don’t chase d/d eles, if you think you are catching us, it’s because we are letting you. (not saying Jornosh did, just saying I did it 4 times today) Once even led to a very nice duel with an EB mesmer.

Markan.3460:

nalenb.1425:

Don’t have to. Take a look at the income evolution chart. It’s pretty even across all timezones.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/

I honestly don’t think that you can take those charts too literally. The scores they publish seem to lag the actual timings and they simply aren’t updated enough to show the effect of the timezones.

I work erratic hours and simple observation tells me that DB is massively ahead during Asian peak hours and tends to lag behind in NA peak times. That’s not a criticism either just a statement of fact

I’m pretty addicted to updating it. I’m off and on from 8am to 2am MST. Even stayed up till 4am the other night and the ppt were pretty even the whole time.

zuube.5930:

Well heres a crazy idea:
Why don`t all of your NA prime time players pick a lower tier server with players that hardly WvWvW transfer there and prove us all wrong and let us know how it turns out.

Don’t have to. Take a look at the income evolution chart. It’s pretty even across all timezones.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/

EnRohbi.2187:

Standing there should definitely be considered in exploit in the exact same way that wall-jumping into a keep or tower is considered an exploit.
They both stem from the exact same thing, a designer oversight and inadequate QA testing.

Nobody even remotely in their right mind could say that anet intended you to be able to regain invulnerability by standing at the bottom of their spawn like that.
There’s a reason that every exit from a spawn point into an enemy camp drops off with a cliff like that, and it’s so you can’t keep retreating into your spawn as soon as you smell trouble.

When you make that jump to go take a camp, you should be committed to the attack. You don’t just get to go “Oh kitten, they have a defender. I guess I’ll just mosey on over here where I can’t take damage”.

But if I were to go wall-jump past the water gate in BL Garrisons, I would be reported and publicly shamed for the rest of my GW2 days.

How dare you disagree with a fellow server/guildmate ;-)

I guess I see different levels of abuse.
- changing the game code, I guess this is hacking
- taking advantage of bugs in the game
- taking advantage of design flaws in the game

I put this spot in the camp in the 3rd category, whereas hiding inside walls where you can’t be seen at all in the second category (along with the path to Hills inner they fixed or the garrison path around the gate).

I think everyone agrees #1 is bad. Most people agree #2 is bad. I guess with #3 I just don’t care. It’s just a camp and if they have enough people they are going to take it anyways. And only 2 out of the 3 exits from spawn have cliffs, the main exit allows you to run in and out at will.

I’m not sure what category I would put thieves in :-)

Efface.8460:

I lil luv taken from your NA prime

http://i.imgur.com/Enh5o.jpg

feel free to get me moderated, lol

Standing there isn’t an exploit. It might be unfair that the invuln area extends under the cliff like that, but you can clearly see them, they have to move out from that spot in order to do anything and you can clearly see they have the invuln buff. It’s no worse than if they were grouped up at any other entrance and keep running back.

CrassBippy.4619:

Also, YB AND EB need to accept the fact that DB has a huge overnight presence, oh well, we live with it. DB you guys need to accept the fact that they carry you. Doesn’t mean you’re bad during NA Hours, but jus don’t act like there’s another reason you’re in T4.

Take a look at the income evolution chart here:
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/

What you are saying just doesn’t match the data.

Such a close race: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/

I wish there were some way to get stats on this. As an d/d ele I bet I make it inside < 5% of the time. It’s either too far away, I’m not anywhere near a portal or I get immobilized. When I am close enough it feels like 75% of the time I make it back in from downed state, but really the number of times I’m near enough to a portal makes me not even use it. I vapor 10 feet away and the enemy just moved 10 feet and stomps me. Now when I’m downed I don’t even bother with downed state skills. Skill 1 is not going to do anything, 2 is only useful very near a portal, 3 never fires, 4 isn’t going to work unless I’m no where near an enemy. I mainly just pull up the map and wait for the stomp.

Nut.4713:

Strange occurrences today in Eternal Battlegrounds. We took Stonemist from Dragonbrand late afternoon/early evening. Ehmry wasn’t even bothering to treb the northern walls, which was a bit weird since that’s the first thing you do when you play red. When we breached inner SM, Ehmry made no push of their own to take it. Instead they sent a group to cut off Yak’s reinforcements coming into SM.

Later when we had it, they trebbed in earnest, knocking down the north wall and pushing inner hard. Defending it against Ebay allowed DB of course to knock down gates as well, creating a 3 way. Once all 3 teams were inside SM, Ebay decided to give up on SM and golem rush our keep, forcing a number of us to defend it. Essentially handing SM to DB entering their asian prime time.

So, without passing judgement here, just recounting events; that’s what happened. Anyone from Ehmry care to explain your strategy for today?

It was crazy last night. After the 3 way in the Lords for like 10 minutes our commanders told us to pull back and let EB and YB fight over it. Much later when we took it back EB was trebbing the north wall and had it down for a long time, but troops never came. I’ve not played eternal a lot (I mainly run on our BL), but the fights for SM did seem very strange. DB didn’t have a lot of players so we mainly rotated back and forth on the 2 south supply camps keeping them open while another group was up north trying to take towers. DB was spread very thin till I logged off at 4am MST.

Besetment.9187:

I’ve always liked DB since we played them in the weekly matches (after pretty much their entire NA WvW playerbase left for Sea of Sorrows). They’ve basically been “daycapped” every day for 2 months straight. I like them alot because they just get on with it. They have never complained about us daycapping them, ever. Their NA guys (not the new acquisitions, the guys who stayed on DB when all of their allies left them) have never complained about going 3 to 1 outnumbered or worse.

Its just a shame that DB is big enough now that we cant really compete on numbers anymore. We had great matches.

I learned to fear Mag during that time and I almost gave up on WvW. It was very dark times on Dragonbrand.

PPT has actually been a lot more stable than our other matchups:

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/

juicifruitz.6251:

Been some great fights around Stargrove as well

I thought it was pretty clear so I zipped into Stargove only to have about 30 YB render. I wonder how many deaths are due to culling.

Kaminari.4018:

Well this has been a fun week! This should be a server event i think for everyone! To take out the grub naked! Its funny and a challenge!

(we had a lot more people naked like 30 or so they were not listening and not getting in the picture >.<)

What a fun night. And the fight club after with BP was a lot of fun too. Google Deez, maybe if you spent more time fighting and less time looking …

Mortalitas.9710:

Just thought it was cool to have a moment of civility in WVW with the enemy.

We had some great 1v1 times at the south camp in DB BL today. Was about 6 BP and 6 DB sitting around for about an hour. My 1v1 with another DD Ele was a lot of fun but we gave up after 5 minutes since neither of us was making any progress.

TheFreshBrew.1958:

Kelvingts.2035:

I don’t mind getting a C- in a class of 3 students if i get to see the other 2 get big F’s

If DB wants to think they’ve actually accomplished something Epic while everyone sleeps, kudos to you.

But this #Fail matchup will be having long term affects where even the mythical’ February Patch’ won’t even be able to save it.

Actually for the first time in as long as I can remember, last night was the first time us on NA prime time handed the Oceanic prime time a fully upgraded home borderland. I was on till 12:30AM MST and for the last 2 hours we hardly saw anyone from the 2 other teams on our BL. I was pretty happy with our NA prime time team. Our guilds seem more organized, our commanders better and we seem to have more new WvW people coming in every day.

I wouldn’t call it epic, it’s just a game after all, but it was the most fun Friday night I’ve had in WvW.

After we repelled a 3 golem rush at our garrison from BP, things just seemed to go quiet over the whole map. And that was just 4 hours after reset.

MeamYee.9635:

Here are a few of my favorite screenshots from this week. Hope to meet DB on the battlefield in the future.

Those are great, thanks for sharing.

We on Dragonbrand were doing so well this week. Seems we fell off right around the time I killed that ram …

Roughneck.2509:

One of two things will happen. You will incur the righteous and holy wrath of the ram…or we will build more. Either way, it oughtta be a lot of fun.

Maybe I’ll just build female rams nearby and watch.

Rhyis.7058:

However, you’re not understanding a simple thing. The Holy Ram is an item of reverence to all Maguuman invaders. Creating new temples and shrines inside enemy territory is a free ride to Ram Heaven as stated in The Holy Book of Maguuma.

So if I destroy said rams … ?

2 votes – whomever made the 41 golems destroyed by fire and whomever made the wvwvmoose

RockonHarder.7235:

My guess they are working on getting the title for building seige.

Oh maybe.

It honestly doesn’t bother me at all, I just found it funny and bewildering. I was wondering if if I missed some new strategy or something. Was funny enough for me to take screenshots.

I knew about ramelot, but these camps weren’t defended and the rams were always the same place. It was 2 guys running around flipping camps and Mag/YB held nothing else on our BL at the time. I think they even had outmanned. In my experience camps when flipped always go to 100 supply no matter its state before flipping, so I don’t think it wastes supply.

It also doesn’t slow us down because you can move through them so combat isn’t limited and there is no reason to attack them because the guards will kill them off after we leave. I don’t clean them out after we leave because that takes time and hold no purpose. It was actually slowing down the guys building them because it takes time for 2 guys to build 4 rams.

saiyr.3071:

We like building rams in random spots. What’s it to ya?

Doesn’t matter to me at all, I’ve just never seen it so much before. The other day I helped flip 5 Mag camps and saw 4 rams at each. Today there was about 8 at one camp.

I’ve never seen so many rams placed at supply camps. What’s up with that Mag and YB? It doesn’t slow us down and you aren’t siege capping your own team.

I want to thank YB for some Christmas gifts yesterday. I was on my guardian yesterday in the YB BL trying to finish up a few completion items knowing it would be tough since they owned the whole map. I started North and ran into a YB thief. I turn and ran into the water, he followed. I was like crud I’m going to have to re spawn. So I got out of the water and sat down. He hit me a few times, stopped, laughed and then ran off. I was then able to head North again and get the SP.

Then I had the Southern SP to take and saw a few Mag and YB fighting at the SP. I waited till they were done and then started the SP event. A few YB watched me but left me alone. I completed it and then went back to my spawn. We were outmanned and I think there were 2 of us on the whole map so I left to another map.

Thanks YB.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

I use Heritage weapons. The FDS is great, but I’m working towards a better skin for my GS.

Oh, another questions. So you bought the full Cleric’s set and the full cultural tier 3 set and transmuted it? So 100g for the 5 pieces of cultural but you keep those when you transmute and the Clerics set is lost? For instance if you wanted to run full knights next, you would buy the Knights set for maybe 20g and transmute those stats onto the existing cultural set? Then you change back to Cleric spending another 20g for that set and the knights is lost in the transmute?

If that’s right, then I’m guessing you have to be pretty happy with an armor set to transmute it, i.e. if you weren’t happy with Cleric then you wouldn’t transmute yet.

Just asking because the draconic set looks okay, but the cultural stuff you have looks pretty awesome. I might have to gender change too.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

Also, make sure you’re using the superior sigils of energy…those are extremely important.

Well I ran out of money so I bought the major sigils of energy thinking there wasn’t much of a difference between major and superior. I should have checked the descriptions. Superior gives double the boost that the major does. Guess I’ll be saving up for those now, heh.

Setis.4390:

It takes getting used to, but trust me it works. And for those that say guardian has no escapability, I did lead about 5 enemies on a merry chase from Titanpaw to between Arah’s and Dreaming Bay before they finally got me (because I screwed up).

Yeah, I think getting the gear and traits was by far the easier part. I watched all the videos a few times to make sure the build was going to be okay, i.e. not taking on 3 up leveled guys, not fighting against a bad server, etc. Now I’ll have to watch them again slowly to see what he’s doing compared to what the enemy is doing.

Last night I went in with kind of a tank mindset. Thought I could stand in the middle and just using every ability would keep me alive. Today I started slower and took on the sentries alone to watch for retaliation, blocks and blinds. Might have to go to Orr for a bit to practice too. It’s hard to get 2-3 mobs alone in WvW to practice on. Either get ganked or teammates show up to help.

I really wish there was a detailed combat log to look at afterwards. Looking forward to working on this setup some more.