Guild Wars 2

dunnberry.2964:

ASH…do you guys ever kittening sleep?

In shifts

greyblue.4962:

And honestly, my experience in WvW leads me to believe that something like 75% of the people there are really terrible at PvP.

That is because we are not playing PvP.

WvW is not as hardcore as PvP. You don’t need leet skills to be helpful and useful to your server. Naturally, PAXA is an elite team. Usually, they are fighting casuals who have no interest in team deathmatch.

That said, PAXA has been great training for us on GoM. People have learned the importance of rezing downed players quickly, and spiking quickly. Overall, GoM is stronger due to our encounters with PAXA, just like GoM is stronger from all our outnumbered battles against DH.

@PAXA

I’ve been debating about posting this, but I think it is time.

You are playing a different game than we are. Your goal is kills. Our goal is points. It is as simple as that. We generally call people who play for points, WvW players. We generally call people who play for kills, PvP players.

In WvW, everything is about resource efficiency and time management. A good WvW player intentionally avoids fights, if they are a time-suck away from something more important. A good WvW player spends a lot of time not fighting and instead scouting, building siege, repairing, and coordinating. A good WvW player will even build his character differently, so as to be useful to the big picture, which might mean sacrificing killing power for swiftness or escape abilities.

When WvW players encounter PvP players, they see them as a roadblock, just like walls on a castle or defensive siege. A good WvW player will find the most time and resource efficient way around that roadblock. In this case, overwhelm the PvP players with numbers. It only take a minute or two to do, and the road block is cleared without tying up a lot of resourses or making people run back from spawn from losing to a “fair fight.”

The truth of it is, we don’t care how good you are at killing people. We care about points, and you are no threat there. You are an inconvenience, which is easily countered with superior numbers or running away.

If we WvW players looked at you PvP players and said “We are better than you because we contribute to the server point total,” we would be wrong. You are not playing the same game as us, and that is comparing apples to oranges. You are good at what you intend to do, it is just not the same goal that we have.

Likewise, the opposite is also true. PvP players should not say to WvW players “We are better than you because we win even fights.” That is missing the point. WvW players are not trying to be the best at player killing, we have a different goal. It is entirely possible to be a GREAT WvW player, and lose every 1v1 battle you face. Because WvW is not team deathmatch. Sometimes the best WvW tactic is to intentionally die over and over again just to keep the enemy busy. (In fact, we have done that to you before, sent one or two “sacrifices” to draw you away while we do our work.)

So PAXA, keep that in mind. You do not earn bragging rights when you kill a group of WvW players. We do not earn bragging rights when we steamroll you with numbers. The only way to earn bragging rights is to play the same game, which we are not.

This has been such a fun week. It’s strange, but I’m actually happy that HoD got out of its slump. The match is so much more interesting now.

(P.S. Did ARM really neutralize the NSP forum warriors? Apparently ARM is OP after-all.)

(Edit: Apparently “Match-up | is | so” is censored…)

More options = More buttons

If you see an elementalist as “look at how many buttons I have to press to do damage,” then you missed the point.

Think of it this way:
No matter what the situation is, you have a set of skills ready to use. It takes more buttons to have so many options available. But if you had less buttons, then you would not have those options. Complexity is the price you pay for flexibility.

JaironKalach.4938:

Beorn Saxon.4762:

Thanks all, this has all really been helpful. I read through the Art of War (took a lot of notes, def worth the read) and have been getting my feet wet the past few nights. Being on the server mumble is also amazing. I’m loving my server even more so now. It’s like a whole new world!

Please, please, please don’t start singing…

You beat me too it.

Culling: Only interesting if you already WvW
WvW XP: Only interesting if you already WvW
New Things to buy with Badges: Only interesting if you already WvW (UNLESS WvW becomes the easiest way to farm ascended, which is unlikely)
Flame and Frost Content: Interesting to PvE players

If there is a flood of players, it might actually be AWAY from WvW to try the new content. The only exception to this is if WvW becomes the best way to gear up with ascended, which I highly doubt.

atomicjellybean.5389:

@ GoM golems are our signature move, you’ll never successfully do it <3

But, we went through so much trouble to teach those moose to build them!

First world tier problems.

umm… portal…

pita spoon.5708:

score update.. looked like GoM was losing ground but we manage to gain some back.. gj .. still a close score and hope it continues.. win or lose i like this close score better than dominations..

Regardless of who wins, it looks like we will flatten out the T7 rankings, which ought to keep IoJ and SF out of T7 for a bit longer.

We should probably start checking our mail for IEDs sent by ET and FC…

Tei.1704:

All the threads of tier 8 servers complaining are annoying, but justified. However, basing your arguments regarding which server should move to tier 8 on nothing but old wvw scores and guesses is just moronic.

Exactly. It is a statistical blunder, you cannot extrapolate that far, especially because it is not a closed or stable system.

Seriously? Take your PAXA vs OS vs Ronny stuff elsewhere. It is off-topic.

This thread is about the match-up between three servers, not the match-up between three factions of the same server. (I should also add, most of NSP is not in ANY of these factions. NSP as a server is also a victim.)

Here we currently have the closest WvW match-up that I have ever been in. This is a great time for our servers, and for T7. We should be talking about it and enjoying it. But that discussion is being destroyed by a private war hijacking the conversion.

Take your off-topic bickering elsewhere. Make your own thread. That is how forums work. Different topic, different thread.

HoD is clearly not playing for second, or at least it sure doesn’t look that way. It appears that HoD’s massive assault has resulted in an even bigger point gap between HoD and GoM, solidifying HoD’s position in third place. This is probably due to GoM focusing HoD, which we usually try not to do.

HoD pulled off a REALLY impressive assault. We repeatedly destroyed all their siege, but that didn’t even slow them down as they just melting down REENFORCED gates with auto attacks in minutes. However, in the long run, it does not appear that this has benefited HoD at all.

Holy cow HoD! I don’t know where you got the super army, but you have earned my respect. Now stop giving everything that you took to NSP!

I probably need to take back my earlier statement. No one needs to feed the trolls, they are already self sustaining.

Time for someone to make the next thread:

NSP vs NSP vs NSP: Forum Battle Round 2

(“Ronny VS Paxa VS Os and the rest” doesn’t have the same ring to it.)

Harbinger.9645:

Is everyone having fun? Let’s just enjoy having a decent match up while it lasts, because as the saying goes “All good things must come to an end”. Let just keep having fun in the mean time and stop with all the “We couldn’t log into the server” , “GoM has spies! ZOMG”, “Haxxorz!”, and “PvDoor is all you do” rants. They started off lighthearted and tongue in cheek but the tone seems to have mutated into some sort of abomination as of late. We are all here to have a good time and, thus far, this is the most fun I have had in WvW since all the server hopping crap started skewing server populations.

TL;DR: Keep being rockstars you magnificent animals! :-)

Agreed!

As a community, we really need to start ignoring these trolls. “Counter-trolling” is just a fancy word for “Troll feeding.”

airstu.2579:

titanlectro.5029:

I mean no disrespect, I’m just honestly confused.

No siege despawned in our keep. We have been siege locked since Friday. Apparently despawing rules only applies to stuff built on the ground, or something like that.

Well that’s an nasty bug.

We have no interest in exploiting you, and honestly I didn’t know there was any sort of exception to the siege despawn rule. Make sure you submit bug reports, and if it happens again, let us know and we can work out a way to kill the siege for you. It ruins the fight for all of us.

airstu.2579:

Wow, someone took our keep in EB – awesome, now we can actually do something in EB besides golem rushes. Apparently HH doesn’t read the forums, strategy would dictate ignoring our keep and forcing us to live in siege cap hell all week.

Couldn’t you just let the siege despawn? Is someone running around refreshing it all every 30 min? Is there a bug keeping it from despawning?

I mean no disrespect, I’m just honestly confused.

Are golems game breaking?
Yes.

Why?
Mesmers can overcome the golem’s shortcomings.

• Timewarp overcomes the cost aspect by doubling golem DPS.
• Portal overcomes the slow aspect by moving golems very quickly.

How do we fix it?

• Make golems immune to timewarp.
• Make golems unable to use portal.

(P. S. While we are at it, do not allow golems to use waypoints.)

I agree with the sentiment (we should be rewarded just like PvE). However, this would change the meta a lot. Target priorities would shift. In the end, we would probably not like the result.

Theftwind.8976:

It was a good move by GoM. NSP was hell bent on destroying HoD last week, turning our map green a number of times allowing GoM to come up from the middle position and take the prize. Hats off to the Gommie Bears!

I’m from GoM, and I approve this nickname.

Horrible.3470:

So apparently, HoM is really good at being shield between NSP and the rest of the map.

Ya that one confused me too, and I’m on GoM. I think they were going for that area because it was paper. That’s the only reason I could figure out.

GoM had a TON of disconnects last night. We were running a guild event and a several people quit after a while because it was so annoying. I don’t think the problem is isolated to NSP.

That said, I hope they fix it for you guys soon. That has got to be very frustrating.

osif.8673:

dank.3680:

osif.8673:

dank.3680:

osif.8673:

Jeeze, so much hate! You clicked it, didn’t you, dank?

Maybe… But.. L2tinyurl…

I don’t think that would fix the problem… I needed to make my own rick roll video and name it PAXA harlem shake… but I’m way too lazy for that!

http://tinyurl.com/paxaharlemshake There ya go.

Still links to the youtube channel and has the ads though

What?! Youtube has ads now?

Oh ya…
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/adblock-plus/?src=homepagebrowse

Jscull.2514:

All you score people, where will NSP be tier wise come Friday ?

Looks like thing are going to stay this way for a while.

Only possibility of that changing is if IoJ drops a tier, and DH and AR dominate them. Even that would take at least another week to effect us.

Kodiack.2783:

Yo.. this is a troll thread, please leave your reason filled posts outta here. !

Shh…. you are going to spook the wildlife.

Noroz.9527:

The first part I can’t. I have simply been told of what people have seen. I don’t intend to say their names, guilds, etc. You can say I’m “taking one for the team.”

The second part is that there is a “spy,” giving GoM information about what we are planning on doing. (Was very obvious just a few hours ago).

Ok, so this is just a troll then. Now I’m feeling a little foolish for falling for it, well played. Nothing to see here folks, lets all just move on.

Noroz.9527:

Darkothe.1253:

Noroz.9527:

So… I really hate saying this, but It’s becoming pretty obvious that someone is exploting/hacking.

I’m not gonna call out guilds, but there are certain incidents happening. Someone posted that GoM lost a lot of their WvW guilds because they were stamped as a hacker server… Well… As I said, certain incidents are leaving me no other choice but to actually agree with claims that have been whispered to me.

This is my personal experience, not “the entire NSP backing me on this”

Anyway, gg, GoM.

You know…we, as a server, have had to fight our way out from under the dark cloud of hacking accusations which sullied (rightly or wrongly) or reputaion. If you’re going to saunter into the forums and throw down an accusation like this, you’d better come with pics, and specific instances of what you’re considering a concerted effort to take advantage of game mechanics in an unfair or unscrupulous manner. You don’t want to call out guilds – that’s fine and honorable.

However, for you to leave an accusation of hacking and exploiting at GoM’s doorstep like a flaming bag of dog poo and then run away with a giggle…that’s just poor form and reeks of bad sportsmanship.

That’s why I am posting it.
1. I want to see the reactions,
2. As far as sportsmanship goes, someone is feeding GoM information, so that’s out the window.

95% of the time someone says “there must be a spy, someone HAS to be feeding them information,” there is no spy. You got anticipated. Perhaps someone got lucky repeatedly. Perhaps you are more predictable then you realize. I know that in the alliance, we spend a lot of time in voice chat discussing where we think they will go next. We then send scouts, work out contingency plans, etc.

So for me to believe that “someone is feeding GoM information,” I’m gonna need some proof. Even if their is a spy, I guarantee you that the server as a whole is against it, and would mass report the person. So if you have proof, let us know and we will report them into oblivion for you.

If you don’t have proof, then you are just kicking up drama, whether you intend too or not…

(For the record, spying is not hacking.)

dunnberry.2964:

GOM where the he’ll did you get these numbers from?

GoM is actually a very high population server, WvW just gets ignored. It all started with the (unjustified) sigma of GoM being a “dirty hacking server,” which caused many of our WvW guilds to transfer off. This in turn broke three consecutive attempts at a server alliance, which caused even more guilds to transfer off, which finally resulted in a lot of burn out and people not playing (myself included).

Since then GoM has slowly been rebuilding. We finally have a functioning server alliance, and wonderful coordination between most guilds. We still have a lot of learning and growing to do, but we now make steady progress. As this continues, GoM WvW is becoming a community that people want to be a part of, and I expect that our WvW population will continue to grow because of it.

So where did GoM’s numbers come from? It is a combination of PvE players wanting world completion, and a long hard effort by the members of the server alliance.

Lets take a step back from the “OMG ACCOUNT BOUND MANIFESTO NO GRIND,” and actually explain why we are unhappy.

When we first heard about the WvW progress, we assumed that his would be a long system. The type where you don’t reach “max level” unless you play WvW like a maniac (which most of us in this forum do). We saw this progress as a long term plan to spice up WvW, just like fractals keep dungeon lovers busy for a LONG time.

Our image of what WvW progress will look like does not mesh with character bound progress. A great many of us do not want to spend ALL of our time on one character. Our image of WvW progress also makes retroactive credit very important. If we have been playing nonstop for 6 months, shouldn’t we get 6 months worth of credit?

But the truth is, the developers didn’t specify all of that. They did not tell us that this would be a long system, keeping hardcore WvW players busy for months to come. Perhaps retroactive credit is pointless because there is not 6 months worth of content. Perhaps progress is character bound because a hardcore WvWer can complete the progress in a week.

The truth is, we don’t know what to complain about right now.

Let me put it another way.

Current Possibilities:
1) WvW progress is short and character bound
2) WvW progress is long and character bound

Ruled-out Possibility:
3) WvW progress is long and account bound

What I’m hearing in this thread, is that we wanted option 3. Most people are sad because they don’t want option 2. However, I think it is far more likely that option 1 is the case. If it is indeed option 1, then making WvW progress account bound will not solve the problem.

Rashagal.5867:

Burnnn.1903:

I just wanted good fights. Both BP and AR provided them the majority of the time, and I would hope both servers have a similar opinion of us.

That we do. As much smack we talk about the macro level stuff, you would be hard pressed to find a majority of either server that didn’t enjoy the fights with you guys. Almost exclusively the gripes about NSP were about you guys getting lippy and claiming that you were better and we were playing for second or double teaming you.

AR has a sore spot when it comes to being talked down to. The same thing happened when BP had their T5 population and kept getting big headed about denying it. GoM can tell you about that. Thems was dark days for the forums. lol

On the up side, if BP and AR can get over the drama and become bestest buds. Perhaps the same can happen with NSP. Here’s to hoping it will!

Yes, we on GoM remember those days.

I was so tempted to throw in here, “BP wins because of skill, not because of numbers,” and then run away REALLY fast.

Thanks for the reply, Habib! I really appreciate how open you guys have been about the March update.

I’ve seem lots of different types of commanders, we have seven or so in our guild atm.

• I run a semi-bunker staff ele. I’m very useful in a siege and group vs group combat, and I’m also quite durable.
• Another one of our commanders runs a shout/heal + condition damage warrior. He can charge in first, not get downed, and get the enemy off balance before his troops hit.
• Another runs a stealth/glass cannon thief. He stays alive with stealth, and ruthlessly picks off dangerous targets while the group fights.

Those are just examples, you have a lot of options. Make sure your build has survivability, and is effective in group vs group combat.

As for figuring out what to do next, the best thing to do is to learn from experienced commanders. If your server has a server wide voice chat, get in there and learn. Most servers would love to have a new commander who spends a few weeks learning, before turning his tag on.

styx.7294:

After reading this, I’m ready to give Northern Shiverpeaks a big enough lead just so they can get back to tier 6.

You guys need each other really badly!

You know what, your right!

Long distance relationships are so hard to maintain. It’s the kind of thing that breaks couples up.

Slamz.5376:

Rising Dusk.2408:

I am glad commander is character-bound. It is important for servers to be able to recognize their commanders, and for them to be a lasting presence. If you could just switch to an alt and stay as a commander, players would have little vested knowledge into who you are and what your qualifications / style / etc. are.

Let the commanders worry about that.

Making players spend 100g per alt needs to have a better reason than this.

I agree with slamz here. If you are a recognized commander, in a recognized guild, then all you have to do is remind people who your main is. Your guild tag will be the same, your guild will back it, and everything will be good. Also the account name stays the same, just in case someone challenges it.

If people read chat then you don’t have a problem. If people don’t read chat, then they are probably mindlessly following tags around the map anyways.

pita spoon.5708:

according to another thread this looks like the glich or crash that has taken place,

A similar glitch happened last week, when members of GoM, HoD, and DH all ended up in the blackgate borderland in a similar state. It is not hacking, its a glitch. It is likely that the players don’t even realize it, they probably just wonder why no one is attacking them. Look at the T7 thread from last week if you want more details.

As for all the NSP complaining about spawn camping… I hope you don’t represent your server as a whole. NSP is 30k+ ahead of GoM, and even further ahead of HoD. I’m sure you will be back on top in no time.

Slamz.5376:

Usual MMORPG developer thinking:
“Let’s make this character bound so that our players can have fun developing many characters through this system.”

Actual player thinking:
“I’m bored of this class. I think I’ll level up something new. Wait. It’s going to take me 6 months now to get to where my main is and while I’m doing this my main is going to fall behind. That’s not fun and I’m tired of my main. I quit.”

Every.
Game.
Ever.

QFT

Honestly though, I’m sure that the account bound vs character bound decision was already finalized a long time ago (and probably hard-coded into the way the system was built). I’m just really curious which one it is.

Malleus.6391:

I don’t want to accidentally join a server and then see that everything is being zerged way too easily. I prefer the underdog.

If you are looking for the most balanced, then all those people suggesting T6 are on the right track.

If you are looking for fairly balanced, but still want to fight as the underdog, then I suggest HoD or GoM on T7. Both HoD and GoM put up a great fight all week, although neither is the top of the tier. GoM does lots of defense and ninja stuff. HoD does lots of super golem rushes (often quite effective). Both servers have thriving and growing WvW communities.

Anvil Pants.3426:

can’t actually golem rush a forum thread.

You can meme and screenshot rush a forum war, or do a coordinated posting blitz.

Slamz.5376:

Commander status should be account bound as well. It’s not reasonable to expect commanders to put up another 100 gold every time they want to play an alt. That’s a good way to get some of your most visible players to burn out faster and quit.

Completely agree.

On GoM right now, we commanders have been trading off who has run their tag and who gets to play their alts. Its better than nothing, but really tags should be account bound.

I’ve also been wondering about this. I’m strongly in favor of it being account bound.

However, the commander tag is character bound, which might be the precedent they follow.

Perhaps Habib has an answer for us?

Wow, both the T7 and T6 threads are nothing but NSP and AR trolling each other.

Get a room…

Sororita.3465:

A bunch of SS from last night in SM.

No captions? They are the best part!

(Before someone quotes “A picture equals a thousand words,” don’t forget the corollary: Picture = 1000 words * funny captions.)

I kept telling my guild-mates that DH would jump to the top of T6. Looks like I might be right… We shall see.

Sororita.3465:

WHAT?!?! PAGE 3?!?! BULL KITTEN PUPPY BIRD KITTEN SAUSAGES!

Shame on you! I blame you DH -.-

Perhaps they are saving up their vitriol for when they have to deal with BP and AR.

DH, your best defense against the BP/AR forum warriors is to focus their attention on each other. A great line for this is “BP is not winning due to numbers, it is due to skill.” This will whip AR into a righteous frenzy, and force them to focus BP. That one saved GoM a couple of times.

Straegen.2938:

Kuldred.2436:

They deserve respect in what way? That it took them 7 months to fix something that should never had made it out of beta? Culling is worse now than at release, and thier ‘minor fix patch’ actually made things worse.

Pretty much no MMO ships with PvE, WvW and sPvP out of the box. Those that have, suffered bugs well beyond what ANet currently has. ANet could have kept WvW out of the game until the first major expansion but they didn’t and I for one am glad. People yammer on in forums about what they would have done or what ANet should have done with virtually no acknowledgement of how much ANet has delivered compared to their competition. 7 months (assuming the get it right) to fix a major engine deficiency shows they are listening to their user base and they are fixing significant issues.

While I think the current culling patch isn’t any better as a whole, I can at least see some of what is headed my direction compared to the old system where none of it showed up.

Kuldred.2436:

There are parts of this game that are unplayable because of culling, and you want to bow down and kiss thier feet because they ‘might’ have an improvement after 7 months. Wow.

BS. The game is extremely playable and while culling is annoying at times it hardly makes the game unplayable.

Very good point.

MrLT.6028:

Habib Loew: Hah, yeah we have seen a lot of the skepticism on the Internet.

Yup… don’t get your hopes too high. If it is really fixed, then we can all be shocked and excited when it happens. But I wouldn’t call it a guaranteed thing.

Anet, listen to the OP

Please…

We will send you cookies!

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

titanlectro.5029:

Jornophelanthas.1475:

Why should a playstyle choice be rewarded over another, equally viable playstyle?

Apparently, my choice is a poor one in terms of rewards.
Apparently, my way of having fun is less worthy of loot.
Apparently, this game is not fair.

Apparently, you have never tried WvW.

You mean “oh my god how are we losing that much ground again this week and it’s only day one?” WvW? You mean the “son of a karka I need Stonemist still” WvW?

Yeah . . . Fair is not necessarily part of the game by default.

Actually, I was referring to the horrible loot you get in WvW. WvW is a giant gold sink it costs FAR more than it gives out.

Here is a hilarious example of what I mean:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/New-Badges-Bags-Drop-rate-Intended/first#post1528704