Guild Wars 2

Nothing has yet to come close to the thrill of winning that last round in an intense gvg.
+1

the reason why people dont runpure front line dd is that other classes can provide more due to their very basic nature, such as increased stats. basically, its just not as efficient. this and also, it takes a lot of skill to play dd to the point where its useful over a warrior or guard. in a 20v20 scenario you have to justify its presence over a guard warrior or an extra caster which is often very hard to do unless you are very skilled. its best to talk about this from a 20v20 pov rather than open field wvw as if your group is running say 30-40 people, there isnt much being sacrificed to make a spot for the dd ele, infact there is no spots being sacrificed at all.

some basic things though, in a 20v20 scenario, even a roaming scenario, you need -condi. you need hoelbrak runes and lemongrass. its just significantly better than everything else. the alternative would be lifesteal. stats may look good on paper but practically you need either -condi or lifesteal, minus condi being significantly better than all other options. just trust me on this.

the biggest problem is that in the current 20v20 meta, dd eles just arnt as efficient anymore. any top tier group is running 4-5 necros, 3 if you are running a heavy gank. any good necro will identify you as an easy target. every push you make you have to deal with ridiculous amounts of damage and possible spinal shivers procs. the best way to play it still remains as a floater. vs smart necros and smart melee, along with the avatar of melandru nerf, dd ele just isnt as strong as it needs to be. this is ofc speaking at the very general level. im always ready to play dd ele whenever needed, its just unfortunate because the meta has developed into something thats just not suitable for dd eles. hopefully that changes soon.

all this is just my opinion on the matter. at a very personal level i still think i can play it well enough to justify its spot but if my guild feels like something else would be more useful then thats that. at the end of the day, its a decision as a guild to run it. dd ele is a lot like say a dps front line guardian. your guild needs to know you have one in there and give it the necessary support and play around it. its not a quick process and you dont just stick a dd ele in a melee party and tell him to kill things.

sorry for long post. im sad

bumping since ive been asked a lot recently about my build and i have to keep pointing them to this thread :P

other updates

back to playing gw2, been about a month and change since ive been back, i actually missed the game a lot and like most people told me when i quit for a bit, i missed playing ele a lot too. Agg is back playing as well, atm we are on fort aspenwood so if anyone is up for duels, message me in game. havnt gotten to duel in wvw for a while now.

mostly been getting my 1v1 fix in spvp now, zerk ammy duels can be quite fun and a different challenge all together. dueled phantaram recently, ended early at 2-2 (1 round took like 10 min lol) so im hoping to settle that at some point soon.

dd ele in the current wvw meta is harder to play. necros chew through you. it can be quite rough. hard hitting melee complimented with glass necros make every time you push in very risky. still trying to figure out the best way to play it in the current meta and if it even has a place. havnt really had a need to go back and update this build so if any of you have managed to theorycraft a build with this one as a template, id love to see.

anyways, feel free to whisper me in game if you have any specific questions about builds or ele. hopefully this helps those of you still looking for wvw ele builds.

It would have to be something very significant to get be back into gw2. Archeage is just crazy fun for me. Gw2 does a few things better though but not enough to get me back into it. I did all I wanted to in gw2 so I have nothing bringing me back.

Mbelch.9028:

I’d been refraining from posting here, as I’m pretty disappointed to see Serane go, but I’m sure I’ll see him in game again some day soon. Archage can’t replace gw2. The combat is too slow.

But to Fuzzionx and the others saying the “build isn’t new,” well Serane got asked for his build so many times for his armor combination. Not his traits.

The armor combination is what used to make eles special in WvW, as most people couldn’t figure it out. Now noobs slap on celestial and bumble about and do fine. #balance.

:(
as for me coming back, atm the only real turnoff for me in archeage is queues but the game is good enough for me to wait in them so i dont really see my self coming back. especially if agg doesnt.

LightningBlaze.4913:

I was waiting for blade and soul to come to na but it seems it will never happen lol. I haven’t look up this new mmorpg but i keep hearing good rumors about it. How’s your experience in archeage Serane? did you play the beta? Most importantly is the sorcery profession extremely awesome mage class? :O

so far its pretty awesome heidia. im enjoying it a lot. the combat is a bit slower then gw2 but you have to look at it in a different light. the game is very complex and there is always lots to do. its f2p starting on the 16th so there is no reason not to try it out. as for sorcery, its a pretty good tree. the class system in archeage is pretty interesting and makes for some interesting combination. one for example is engimatist whichis shadowplay sorc and aurmancy which is similar to a d/d ele. i am playing daggerspell atm and pulling a no life weeked in head start :P

(Back to gw2 now)

Hey guys. some of you may know me, some of you may not but it doenst matter

long story short, people have been asking for my build for a long time. ive never shared it but since il be moving on to archeage, i figure why not?

now before i link it, there is one thing that you ahve to know about ele. its all about personal preference, i run high armor low hp because i like seeing my health bounce up and down, you might not. this build is not the perfect ele build its just what i ran after balancing and rebalancing multiple times.

for those of you who dont know me, ive been playing d/d ele for a super long time lol. im widely regarded as one of the best if not the best on the na servers. most of my time in gw2 has been spent in wvw and gvg with my guild Aggression. you can check out some of my dueling and lots of wvw and gvg action with this build on my youtube channel. over the past month ive been mainly doing spvp and dueling arenas making some new friends along the way. i really enjoyed gw2 for as long as it lasted but im pretty done with the game atm.

anywaysss, here is the build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFEQJAoYlcMozhVOwwBMsNwDgQ+XsdiCUuaynA-T1yHABCpERM9AOpEsHlGEqSwQKjG4EAsnqC+pGDAPAAR2fIAACwNbzAYoDdoDdoDtbezbuclrcSBwkyI-w

now i switched between a knight dagger and a zerker dagger depending on how i judged the fight, in wvw in gvg i almost always ran knights.

runes – hoelbrak – hoelbrak is just soo good, -60% condi duration is pretty ridculous. you dont notice how awesome it is till you try it. once again personal preference. just gotta be a bit more focused on might stacking..

sigils – battle energy for wvw always

NO CELESTIAL? – yes, no celestial. why? because i really dont like it and i really think its not necessary. in spvp, full celestial is dominant but in wvw you can min max your stats so well that full celest imo is pretty mediocre in comparison. trust bros, trust.

Utilties – changes from fight to fight and i never really used my elite for duels cuz yolo. but in wvw, if you are a human d/d ele then avatar melandru is legit god. and if you arnt human then reroll

30% crit chance? – tbh i kinda wanted a bit more but i learnt to live with it. i use to have 42 before the april patch but that changed a lot. 30 is honestly fine

i think thats pretty much it. i wanna thank you guys for supporting me for so long. it been a blast. good luck with the game, and good luck with d/d ele. its honestly so much fun, just need a lil practice and you will get it. take care and if you are interested in following agg and archeage, il be making those videos soon.

Cheers. Aggressive Serane

haha u guys all need to calm down :P

if you dont like my video then you dont like it
im not going to kill myself over it. i also dont really care much for what the majority of you guys think about my play. Why? because i know what im doing and im pretty successful with it. like i said in the original post. we have EOTM and im on TC who are red this week sooo if any of you want to duel then by all means im open to it
even in spvp, so feel free to ask. i dont bite and im a nice guy.

a lot of friends among eles and in general asked me to make solo content again because i kinda stopped so i did. i fought what was in the sanctum during the week, its not my fault if there was a lack of condi builds and classes. i fight them all the same. i didnt post this here to claim that i am the best ele . like ozii said word of mouth travels fast. enjoy the video and if you did im happy.

hmm well let me make something clear
i made this video off the fights i had in obsidian sanctum over the week, condi classes were lacking. not really my fault
i dont where my build had an advantage vs what i was fighting, just because it didnt include fighting necros doesnt really mean much. i think i only fought 1 necro throughout the week. so from my understanding you guys want to see duels vs necros condi mesmers and perplex engis? il keep that in mind
people wanted me to make solo content and here it is.
im on tc and we are red for the week so if any of you want to duel im only a whisper away

SonOfKrypton.4357:

Mbelch.9028:

Bahahah. You literally just said this to one of the best eles in the game. You “cleerly” are a troll and I hope nobody feeds you further.

Best ele in game? psh. I dnt thnk so. she has too fire daggerhs. obvsly a pve hero. r u 2 blind 2 c tht? nvr ven yoused rubling grownd attk + lightning tele. sry but I am at least 14 times bettan than this girl in vid.

i love you jam!!

hey guys

about builds. i dont like the idea of posting something i worked kitten so other people can use it without any kind of commitment, if you get what im saying. just a personal perference i guess. i help a lot of people out when they whisper me so if you questions just whisper me. my build i mean gear in this case

the thing you have to understand is that ele is all about preference. i like low hp pools hence the 15.3k base hp but that might not be your thing so the best advice i can give is to find where you are comfortable at and build around it

as for my traits, its standard 0/10/0/30/30
mostly because i dont change my build between guild raids and dueling cuz im lazy but it still works very well. (sorry azi, was an interesting guess :P)

like i said, if you have questions, pm me in game or post something here or in teh comments on my videos

have a great valentines day!

Hey guys,

a lot of you may know me or heard of me but i dont really post on the forums
i havnt made a roaming or dueling video in a while due to lack of interest but recently i found my self excited to play again. so i decided to once again make more roaming and dueling videos.

here is the latest one from this week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1qgxZnz89k

hope you guys enjoy
im currently on TC so if any of you would like to test your skills against mine, feel free to whisper me in game.

Also if any of you are interested in WvW and GvG content, you can find a lot on my channel.

As for build, i dont give it out so there is no point in even asking. your best bet is to contact me in game and ask me questions.

i am now a god
that is it for my input

jk

overall i think some these are some very good and needed changes. i still want to see how the crit damage changes actually effect damage output but it should balance out with the extra might stack from the water 3 and the changes to sigils. i still want to see all the runes and omg so much theory crafting to do now.

after talking to multiple eles everyone seems overjoyed as to the return of eles
i know i am
im pretty sure they have a lot more changes but the changes mentioned especially burning speed and armor of earth have really got me excited

#Seraneisagod
#Elesareback

man i have something so awesome setup with ascended armor
just to poor to afford it at the moment :P
3 pieces and a server transfer and im down to 6g and a debt of 130g with no assests what so ever
GG

KrazyFlyinChicken.5936:

+*Burn the Zeitgeist: “Staff Elementalist sPvP Guide” [Video]*

Churn Bomb Video [1 Year Old]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUeSjnQmllA

i remember the churn bomb
was a lot of fun
churn bomb op!

KrazyFlyinChicken.5936:

but sadly every elementalist I know in WvW has gone to staff for lolmeteorstrikes

D/D for life

great guide azi

Agg vs HOPE
Some really good fights

agg’s great farm at bay last night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PlnnL6knwc&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL-llHC_MT9kcmWCNURxNnyfKzH0dFMAun

Agg vs PYRO GvG from last night

Stark.3085:

Commander Tyryon De los Bravos from Fort Aspenwood, best commander in FA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5YKXyrJhGM

—> Hes first time against " AGG "

OMG AHAHAHAHAHA

d/d all day
/15 characters

aggs week, well we only raided 3 days, thanksgiving op! :P
good luck with finals everyone

LightningBlaze.4913:

Kysin.6349:

Joseph.7213:

Two weeks of Blackgate, and all I have to show for it is videos of BG running away consistently.

But, I’m glad Magumma is back! You guys have the best roamers to fight, the T1 guys are just downright awful sometimes.

Grouping a whole server’s skill based on your few experiences is foolish. Besides, not being able to finish off an enemy in a roam scrap is partially your own fault (unless GS warrior).

I don’t judge all of SoS’s skill for losing this 2 v 7 against me and 1 RIOT member. Just an hour or so later, I fought a really skilled SoS ele for about 7 minutes that ended in a stalemate.

That ele probably is Serane from Agg. The best d/d ele I have ever encountered so far on 1v1. Then again, If he was that ele he should have defeated you, unless you are extremely bunker or a mesmer/thief that constantly steaths to recover.

wasnt me, havnt been roaming much lately

come watch us
http://www.twitch.tv/aggression_gaming

Yaro.3251:

So are there significant improvements in the skill lag after last release? I’ve distanced myself from the game lately so that’s the honest question, not a troll bait. Don’t keep up really with how things are on WvW atm.

yes, as unbelievable as it sounds, skill lag is actually fixed for the most part. havnt encountered any skill lag personally since the fix even inside SMC. WvW is actually fun again.

Here is Agg’s weekly recap
the skill lag fix was absolutely amazing and we enjoyed this week quite a bit

special shout out to SF/CERN/RQ for gvging, was a lot of fun
and to the people in the massive blobs, its not safe anymore :P

thought i would post this here as the skill lag fix from anet was one of the best things to happen to wvw. it took a while but atleast it happened and the game is so much more fun for it.

this is a recap vid of Gold League, JQ/TC/SoS

it contains us fighting majorly outnumbered against map blobs

Enjoy!

Agg vs SF GvG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip8OAKtKrVM&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL-llHC_MT9kdPY9JTYgOD7Ku0Se1gAK0d

keep it up SF, we hope you guys had fun and look forward to more GvGs in the future

here is Agg’s recap of the week
thanks for the great fights!

JonPeters.5630:

Summation of high risk concerns for elementalist. Not ignoring other professions, I just have time for one right now.

Diamond Skin
We really love this trait as it opens up some very powerful potential in the earth line to run a defensive elementalist without relying on healing power. The strength of this build is going to be the ability to quickly string small heals together to maintain that condition resistance. I think it could see use in both high damage builds looking to avoid weakness and blind, as well as in defensive builds looking to tank condition heavy classes and condition heavy mobs. I think the big question here is the base health/armor of the elementalist. Of course if you are just an elementalist you just want us to raise these, but balance must work around some fixed things and profession health and armor are an important part of defining what a profession is so that we can create powerful tools that players can actively use to circumvent these weaknesses. In this case if this trait is not powerful enough to be a grandmaster, I believe the right answer is going to be to lower the threshold, not to increase elementalist base health.

Aquamancer’s Alacrity
We moved this trait because all profession cooldown traits are in master tier, and because that is a good investment for this type of improvement. That being said, they may all not be powerful enough to warrant a master level triat right now, but I would rather increase the cooldown to 25% to get people to consider them than to have them be adept tier and allow elementalists to run all four of them.

Cleansing Wave
This is the one I am most on the fence about of all of the elementalist changes. It is a borderline master level trait and I think a better solution would be to leave it at adept tier and instead of moving Soothing Wave (which is only moving because it is better to have a 100% worthless trait at adept tier rather than master tier) we would redesign Soothing Wave into something worthy of master level.

Arcane Abatement
This is moving to adept tier because all of the fall damage traits are in that tier and in our opinion it doesn’t feel good to have to spend 20 points in a line for this kind of trait. Alacrity was the first choice to swap with it here because of the reasons stated above.

Soothing Disruption vs Cantrip Mastery
This one was debated internally for a while as well. I think swapping these traits would also help build diversity as it would let you splash 10 points in water to get Cantrip recharge, but would make you really consider going into water magic for the Regen and Vigor which is much more flavorful. I would love to hear some elementalist thoughts on that potential change.

Last but definitely not least.

Arcana
I see the logic in not wanting the two changes in this line to counter each other. Moving good adept traits to master level is contrary to reducing the need to spec into this line. That being said, Elemental Attunement is just a beast of a trait and could honestly be compared with most grandmaster traits. I think a good compromise would be to place Renewing Stamina back in the adept tier, placing is where the other professions get this type of trait, and instead move Final Shielding to the master tier where it could live alongside Arcane Retribution as two good choices in arcane builds that take Arcane Mastery in the adept tier. That could leave some interesting builds such as: 0/30/30/0/10 for fresh air, diamond skin, and renewing stamina. It also still leaves builds that put only 10 points in Arcana a chance to gain Protection by going 30 air for Tempest Defense, and 10 Earth for Elemental Shielding and still have 30 points leftover.

I still believe there is work to be done at the grandmaster tier in Fire at the very minimum and that Air and Water are the only truly good grandmaster choice right now. There are also still a handful of just terrible traits that will still get looked at, but we felt like we were already bordering on changing too much.

I hope this helps to steer the discussion for the elementalist changes here. I’ll post this on the elementalist sub-forum as well. Hoping to get to each profession one at a time.

Thanks,

Jon

Link to the elementalist sub-forum discussion
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/December-10th-Elementalist-changes/page/3#post3138306

Thank you for addressing our concerns
i support the changes mentioned in this post

elemental attunement and renewing stamina are essential to d/d ele surviavablity
a d/d ele needs to constantly stay at 600 range to do damage, has the lowest base hp and armor, and lacks the defense through class mechanics such as clones, or stealth, to compensate.
the bulk of a d/d eles surviavablity comes from vigor and boons.

with already subpar mobility and subpar condi removal,the change will put d/d eles lower. ive played d/d ele for the longest time, i love the class to death and the aggressive play style. these changes to renewing stamina will really hurt the survivablity of the class, it has been nerfed for 8-9 months straight now.

diversifying builds is the right track but you have consistently nerfed the d/d ele. eles are hardly seen in spvp now, and require a lot more effort to be effective then the other classes. the changes to elemental attunement and renewing stamina will further decrease the viablity of d/d eles in pvp.

the biggest issue of the current meta is condi spam, this is what needs to be addressed. the fact that condi builds can be built with defensive stats and have good access to weakness is a problem. weakness is strongest condition against direct damage builds, and most condi builds in the current meta of access to weakness. they also can be spammed to such a degree that most classes cant even keep up, on top of that you continue to add things such as perplexity runes, and consumables that buff condis even more. WvW roaming is now loaded with perplexity. if you want to see build diversity check out the different builds with the perplexity runes for different classes. address the condi issue first, condi spam is ridiculous and is almost as kittentunlock warrior. the issues with the warrior have been addressed well

Going back to the eles, most of the changes are good, however things like the c/d of armor of earth, underpowered weapon skills such as those on the focus, and things hit with the large nerf bat such as rtl and cleansing water are the areas that need that focus.

a lot of us were hopeful for the last “balance patch” but that was a joke.
the idea of this thread is very good and im glad you are taking the opinions of your players. however make sure that you actually do listen. a lot of good pros and cons about every class’ balance has been pointed out in this thread. do pay good mind to them.

oZii.2864:

JonathanSharp.7094:

•Arcane V – Elemental Attunement. Moved to Master tier.

•Arcane VI – Renewing Stamina. Moved to Master tier.

Move 1 not both. I love D/D and I usually can find reasoning by alot of the balance changes and keep a open mind but this one. I’ll go 30 arcana anyway the traits are good but neither of them make D/D ele’s to powerful based on the other changes to Elementalist mentioned.

I can understand moving 1 so those builds that don’t go all the way in arcana with these changes don’t become to strong but I don’t see it affecting those that go 30 in arcana already that is already 30 points we spend and those are good traits and I don’t see a point in putting them both together.

I usually play “classic d/d” so 30 in arcana for me and I don’t mind 30 in arcana. This change doesn’t destroy the classic build but is nerf to the classic build that has already been nerfed quite a bit.

I see it playing out that moving both to master tier ends up with Renewing stamina>Elemental attunement. With elemental attunement then becoming one of those traits that nobody takes. Because Vigor>The boons you get from elemental attunement.

Elemental attunement I feel can stay at adept with renewing going to master and it is fine.

You guys introduced several gameplay elements to help other classes deal with those classes that are “boon heavy” the vigor from renewing, and boons from elemental can be stripped or the elementalist, guardian, prismatic mesmers, can all be “punished” if they are fighting enemies that have traits that punish or strip those boons so the counter play has been implemented in regards to “classic D/D”.

Yes I love classic 0/10/0/30/30 I have played other builds but these changes to those traits nerfs classic 0/10/0/30/30 as if to “force” movement from running 30 in arcana. I like 30 points in arcana and I don’t see anything being overpowered by moving just 1 trait to master.

TL&DR: Don’t move both Renewing Stamina and Elemental Attunement to Master.

THIS
both these traits are directly related the the elementalists survivablity. d/d hardly has a place in the current meta. i understand build diversity but this would be bad change.
DO NOT MAKE THIS CHANGE

Here is some of the action [Agg] had this week, was a fun week with some great fights.

its 1-1 now [NS], cant wait for the next time!!

Agg vs EP 20v20 GvG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec40EQVYy4I&list=PL-llHC_MT9kdPY9JTYgOD7Ku0Se1gAK0d&index=1

thanks for some of the best fights i have ever had EP
cant wait for the next time!

Last nights fight at north camp tcbl

ele pov – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_S3_xQ8UdA&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL-llHC_MT9kcmWCNURxNnyfKzH0dFMAun

warrior pov – http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pT6QkyA-yWw

will you be including members of the gvg community in your testing?
if you give us an idea of the amount of space, the terrain and just small details
the community can give you a lot of help with this
we have been waiting for a really really long time
and even though there has been quite a bit of negativity from us
i know that we would all love to see this be a success

thanks, this is the first piece of good news a lot of us have had in a while
could we please have a time frame for this?
i would logically assume it will come in play after the leagues
can we know if this is planned to be implemented this year?

thank you

last nights gvg action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB7W8yd4w7I&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL-llHC_MT9kdPY9JTYgOD7Ku0Se1gAK0d

Thanks RET for the fights

Aggression still looking for more GvGs

ele op
nerf pls
kthnxbai

Jackie.1829:

Oh and on NA servers I could dodge all of Serane’s burning speeds and own his D/D ele <3 Serane (I cant dodge that consistently on EU when reflexing animations, but its not game breaking.)

……………………
wow you just had to mention it :P
i still stand by spvp d/d ele being bad!

ghost tonics aside
i would like to bring up the topic of meteor shower + tornado
and what your opinion is on the whole thing?
should it be frowned upon or should it be allowed?

me personally, i dont care either way but since you are a pretty authoritative figure on the gvg scene, it would help clear things up so people know if its allowed or not

GG anet
you have made your intentions clear
sit back and watch your game die
i hope you learn in the process
this is insulting

Equinox.4195:

PredatoR.5247:

[Agg]ression is challenging all Tarnished Coast guilds to GvG starting Saturday.

We’d like to fight all of the guilds on TC interested in GvG, especially [RE] Rethesis.

Looking forward to the rematch between EP and Agg. We can show you what we’ve learned.

looking forward to it. that gvg was the first one i had as a part of Aggression

Commisar.8695:

PredatoR.5247:

[Agg]ression is challenging all Tarnished Coast guilds to GvG starting Saturday.

We’d like to fight all of the guilds on TC interested in GvG, especially [RE] Rethesis.

You on mag or dargonsband this week?

#M[Agg]SWAG

Here is [Agg]’s recap of the week
there have been a lot of fun fights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0KTBYCacl8A

Furiousbeard.7602:

Oh god no..

Ok when do the gvgs start?

Serane, lets duel!!

haha hit me up whenever you see me on
look forward to seeing how much you have improved on that ele

Zoel.9154:

my plan is to basically become a one man jericho fan club all week and try to fight him as much as possible

or at least as much as I can since i’m leaving to get married in a week

we had a heart to heart the other week where he told me the secret to open field fighting

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It’s yelling.

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It’s actually very effective.

jericho is pretty bad, he was spotted farming crown pavilion while using mage potions :o

skinnyb.5920:

virtue.7235:

Encore.4395:

Would be nice to see Agg and other NA guilds in the EU, but start 20v20s then pls :o

our preference is 20v20
but we also do 15v15s

but yeah we would love to go to EU and learn from you guys

Oh hey there. Long time no talk

Now I know that you’re in [AGG] you have to come to EU

haha hey!
yeah its been a long time
yeah i personally would love to come to eu but lets see how things go, the whole time difference thing.
hopefully we can do it sometime but i dont think it will be soon.
if we do go we can go back to dueling again :P

Encore.4395:

Would be nice to see Agg and other NA guilds in the EU, but start 20v20s then pls :o

our preference is 20v20
but we also do 15v15s

but yeah we would love to go to EU and learn from you guys

man i couldint participate in the last 3 rounds due to a horrible lag but boy oh boy was that match something

never experienced something as intense as that fight in all of GW2 so far. everyone was on the edge of the their seat during the last fight and the cheers that went on after we managed to pull it off were just crazy. NS are an amazing bunch of guys and they pushed us. but same warning goes to you NS, next time we will not make the mistake of underestimating you and we will come prepared

cant wait for the next fight!

NS you guys were just so awesome
we were panicking so much and our ts was just so intense and suspenseful
mad mad respect to you guys. Rod you are awesome <3
im so kittening mad that my internet decided to be a kitten today of all days but the win is all that matters
thanks for the amazing fights, we will never forget them.