Guild Wars 2

Fractal Rewards Issues

• Got 37 empyreal fragments at scale 45. Before this long awaited patch it would have been 45 fragments.

Mai Trin

• You might get 9s long agony by moving near the entrance.

Molted Duo

• Effigy often starts to reset during the fight even when attacked.
• You might get 9s long agony by moving on the edges of the arena.
• Sometimes when you wipe you restart at arena instead at the beginning of the fractal.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Cliffside Fractal
• I applaud the devs for trying to fix the Archdiviner exploit which trivialized the encounter. However, their fix is pretty lame. Essentially, the Archdiviner gets 2-3 seconds of free attacks on the party. On several occasions a party member has been given 3 stacks of agony because he spawned the red circles under him during the stun phase. This isn’t a huge deal with max AR, but for people with imperfect gear it becomes a simple RNG gear check which is not how the encounter was intended to be.

That was the case since they remade stun you get while hitting the seal.

I wish people would stop with the “Arena net doesn’t care” when they want to complain about something. By all means I critique, but when you cry “Mummy doesn’t care about me” it’s hard to not just look at this as a giant wall of complaining.

Second of all… don’t say “it’s okay for them to have holidays” and then have this attitude of well if the WvW guys deserve it so do we. Maybe the WvW guys are working on their holidays just because, heck, they decided to login why they were resting their stomachs between turkeys. The communication you get with Anet on the forums is a privilege not a right.

All that said, thanks for making a list and hopefully Anet will see it. We got caught on the Thaumanova Reactor but as long as you have two cooling rods and some hardy players you can just skip to the end of the “fire” room to by-pass it. Fractals are by far my favorite thing in the game and I don’t think the new patch was a disappointment or damages my fun I have in it at all!

Uncategorized Fractal
• Very rarely the fans in the kitty poison room do not activate when pressed. If they do activate the poison starts up again half way through the fan cycle.

I’ll add a minor bug that has been mentioned elsewhere, for the molten facility boss.

When playing on elementalist, if you get downed during this fight sometimes your mistform skill will go on full cd without casting. From what I can tell this happens when 1) you were hit by the firestorm aoe and 2) you are spam clicking 2 as you are going down to avoid being instantly defeated in the persisting fire. I’ve been able to mitigate the bug somewhat by making sure the downed ui is fully displayed before casting mistform, but that doesn’t always save me.

Reward issues and pre-patch bugs aside, I personally don’t have a problem (except for minor annoyances) with any of the fractals but the Molten Duo fractal, which is just insane. Aside from random agony (by walking too close to the edge, apparently) and getting hit by circles while not actually being in them (I do not have this problem anywhere else in the game so I doubt it’s latency-related) some things just do not make sense. Sometimes I get random burning from seemingly nothing, I get hit by the Molten Berserker’s “Pound” attack from over 1500 range and once in a while the shockwaves are invisible. If you add the Champion Effigy randomly resetting while you are hitting him when he hasn’t moved an inch from his spawn point to this, you make for one buggy/unintuitive fractal.

A very nice summary. Hopefully when holiday is over some of these will be looked over.

The camera issues on the volcanic and solid ocean fractals need to be fixed asap. Incredibly frustrating and obviously a major bug. The other things im not too bothered about as long as they get addressed eventually.

spoj.9672:

The other things im not too bothered about as long as they get addressed eventually.

Honestly the lack of fractal weapon boxes is the big killer for me. Those were the one reason that gave real purpose for doing fractals every day. Without those boxes, there is the same incentive to do fractals every day as there was before the patch, which is to say, not very much.

Much of our VOIP chat was like, “well this sucks, but at least we are going to have fractal weapon boxes to make up for it.” Without them, you are pared down to, “well this sucks.”

Yeah thats true. Im pretty dissapointed in no weapon boxes. Although i got a sword finally today so im kind of content for now. xD

While the rewards being very low is not a really a bug I’d still like to mention it here. It feels enormously discouraging to get much less fractal relics from the boss fractal now than pre-patch and equally irritating to get 1.4g from an hour long fractal 49 when a 7min CoF1 gives 1.26g.

Also a bug:

• In the molten boss fractal the passive agony keeps reapplying if you go near the edges of the battlefield. Same thing happens in the Mai Trin boss fight.

I found it hard to scrounge up the motivation to do fractals after I got stuck on 49 pre-patch and even more so after I heard about the patch that would implement kitten leaderboards that required everyone who worked hard to get reset back to 30. Post-patch, it’s pretty much reached negative levels. These days I just log in, do my dailies, then say over VOIP “I’m bored.”

There is literally nothing to do after I do all my time-gated content.

Its been mentioned but I think one of the biggest disappointments this patch is how rewards were not addressed. Fractals are by far the most challanging 5man content in the game and yet the least rewarding.
I don’t understand why anet would come out and say that they don’t have a problem with the totally mindless zerg farming that happens, like in frostgorge, but then give us dirt for something that actually requires a significant amount of effort.

Why not add some kind of risk/reward system like the queen jubilee arena? Let us activate multiple instabilities for increased rewards, like a large +% MF or extra chests.

It really does suck to feel left in the dark and I don’t understand how many of these issues above mentioned by other posters could not have been raised internally before the patch came out.

My first post patch level 30 run was incredibly frustrating and took forever – I left at the end boss because I was physically exhausted after nearly 2 hours (due to being mildly ill).

I had very high hopes that many of the little details would be addressed and the overall quality of life would be improved for those who enjoy Fractals.

My disappointed started during the dev live event on twitch.tv – it was overall very good, but they admitted that there were no titles for fractals and no new uses for Pristine Relics.

How is there a title called “Volunteer” (which was so easy, half the people who have it probably attained it by accident) and yet there is no title for completing all the fractal achievements or hitting Fractal 50+?

Those of us who ran fractals regularly are swimming in ascended rings and we held on to them hoping they may have some other use (like salvage for ascended material) – yet, not only do they have no other uses, this is still only use for Pristine Relics – why?

So no title for some of the most difficult PVE content in the game, and no compensation for those who reached the highest levels before the patch and no new reward for one of the most pointless tokens in the game.

But at least we can get a fractal weapon chest – that will more than make up for the 17+ fractal weapons I received – none of which I could use on my Guardian.

Yeah, that chest will be pretty sweet.

Someday.

I’m disappointed because this was the part of the game I actually loved, but now it’s unrecognizable and – I hate to say this, I truly do but it feels to me like the update was designed by someone who just didn’t “get” fractals – it feels like a missed opportunity.

Appart from everything mentioned already:

Level 42, no dodges, get Molten Bosses at end. Kill them Both, fractal bugs out and you cannot continue. No end chest, no daily chest, no progress, have to restart the entire 42 which was annoying to beguin with.

During the Mai Trinn fight earlier, suddenly all of my AoE circles disappeared… and I was suddenly taking no damage from anything. I stood in the middle of cannon blasts during the cannon phase and was unaffected. However, I was successfully damaging Mai, and able to aid downed party members. During a test wipe (me still up since I couldn’t die), the boss ignored me and my attacks completely and reset. I attempted to suicide off the side of the fractal, but instead fell healthily the entire way down the rocks and, after a few should-have-killed-me leaps, into the water far below.

I believe shortly after another in my group bugged and was unable to even move her character. We had to give up and quit.

You can add an issue for level 43 instability. There is no indicator of the debuffs you have, so as to know when you lose them. So you have to wait some time, and pray it was enough when you attack again. If it’s not, you have to wait again a long time after only one or two hits…
This doesn’t make the fights much harder, it just makes them quite longer.

haviz.1340:

• Sometimes when you wipe you restart at arena instead at the beginning of the fractal.

I think that happens when people revive at different times and not all of them revive in the same 1-2s time window.

I think I figured out where exactly those tripwires are, that re-trigger the agony with Mai Trin and the Molten Duo. Next time I get to them, I’ll make screenies.

edit: one of the Mai Trin tripwires: http://imgur.com/a/jyCEo
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my main motivation to play to higher levels was to get the fraktalweaponcontainer too, im very disapointed.

The fractal weapon container, the getting kicked from fractals if the leader leaves and the fact that the Underground Facility still takes so long are the most pressing issues IMO.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

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• The arms seals do not properly reset to 2 chanters on each side in case of a wipe. This is mildly annoying in the 30’s for a good group. This is pretty tough in the 40’s and will only get more difficult for unorganized groups as progress into the 50’s and beyond begins to happen. This was supposed to have been fixed months ago but that promised change appears to have not happened and been forgotten.
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One side seems to reset properly so it’s not that big issue anymore.

Molten Bosses:
- AoE effects are centered around Berserker so if he teleports they will also reposition (so you may get “randomly” hit). Visually it works fine.

Estriella Faerie.4029:

You can add an issue for level 43 instability. There is no indicator of the debuffs you have, so as to know when you lose them. So you have to wait some time, and pray it was enough when you attack again. If it’s not, you have to wait again a long time after only one or two hits…
This doesn’t make the fights much harder, it just makes them quite longer.

And that instability would bug out. You’d kill an enemy, supposedly resetting it, only to be instantly downed by your next auto attack.

Would like to add one bug too:
On 38 we got Mai Trin as Boss… Two times the barrage phase startet before we had removed the 10 stacks from her, so she was still on the ground but barrage phase has startet already…

EDIT: And again the same bug… Or is this normal? working as intended? More difficult…

EDIT2: We were unable to finish the fractal, the bug is constantly reapearing… we tried to kill horrik, but it is not working!
So tired of all this bugs again…

EDIT3: For a workaround look in my next post in this forum

At top of the cliffside fractal it is possible to be stunned by the hammer on the seal at the same time that adds spawn that are not sunned. These adds essentially get a free kill of the squishy classes before the stun wears off.

Stooperdale.3560:

At top of the cliffside fractal it is possible to be stunned by the hammer on the seal at the same time that adds spawn that are not sunned. These adds essentially get a free kill of the squishy classes before the stun wears off.

This bug have been present for few months and you’d know if this if you hadn’t been using faster “tactics”.

My small group of guildies have made the effort to start doing Fractals, at lowly level 5 as of last nite, we got DC’d twice in the middle of the underwater fractal. Me being party leader, everyone then got kicked
Also in the Snowblind fractal, after killing the Legendary “whatshisname” we couldn’t get to the chest on the ledge altho we killed him off the ledge. This particular bug has been there more than 6 months.
Special thanks to Seras for running us around a few nights ago and giving us some motivation to Fractal again

haviz.1340:

• Sometimes when you wipe you restart at arena instead at the beginning of the fractal.

• The same happens in the Captain Mai Trin Boss fractal.

Captain Mai Trin Boss fractal

• On moving to the wall in the boss room you get teleported back to the door (the game seems to think by accident that you wanted to go outside and teleports you back).

Thaumanova Reactor Fractal (story mode)

• On going back to the Mistlock Observatory both maps can merge into one on the minimap.

Today I’ve ran into a weird bug during the final encounter with the Archdiviner in the Cliffside fractal: I was on my Warrior and I’ve got imprisoned in a cage in the same moment as I was picking up a banner. After that I couldn’t attack, ress or use utility skills anymore except for Shouts. Tried changing weapons, or using items like the Choir Bell but only accessing the next fractal fixed the issue.

Another issue I forgot about before:
If you die and then equip some AR equipment while dead, the AR will not update, you’ll have to unequip every AR piece, then reequip them again for your AR to be counted right.

Estriella Faerie.4029:

Another issue I forgot about before:
If you die and then equip some AR equipment while dead, the AR will not update, you’ll have to unequip every AR piece, then reequip them again for your AR to be counted right.

This, thousand times. The agony bug needs to be fixed asap because it also can happen when you swap between ascended and non-ascended weapons in combat.

what about the dredge fractal bug:
in the car room, you attack but it doesn’t hit the mobs, it doesn’t say invulnerable either. No numbers, nothing appears.

over one year into fotm and mossman is still bugged >.<

KazNaka.4718:

what about the dredge fractal bug:
in the car room, you attack but it doesn’t hit the mobs, it doesn’t say invulnerable either. No numbers, nothing appears.

You’re probably attacking clown car.

Tranassa.4968:

Would like to add one bug too:
On 38 we got Mai Trin as Boss… Two times the barrage phase startet before we had removed the 10 stacks from her, so she was still on the ground but barrage phase has startet already…

EDIT: And again the same bug… Or is this normal? working as intended? More difficult…

EDIT2: We were unable to finish the fractal, the bug is constantly reapearing… we tried to kill horrik, but it is not working!
So tired of all this bugs again…

Actually you don’t need to remove all the stacks from her, since she takes more damage the less she have it is possible to get her to the next phase with 2-4 stacks remaining. What is strange is that she didn’t leave the field after being sent to the next phase.

Arosche.7438:

I wish people would stop with the “Arena net doesn’t care” when they want to complain about something. By all means I critique, but when you cry “Mummy doesn’t care about me” it’s hard to not just look at this as a giant wall of complaining.

But you can’t deny that it’s hard not say such a thing when Anet’s solution to the people saying there were too many trash mobs in the Dredge fractal was to add more trash mobs in the Dredge fractal.

Makes you think collaborative development is just candy to keep us quiet.

Marna Nindar.8120:

Actually you don’t need to remove all the stacks from her, since she takes more damage the less she have it is possible to get her to the next phase with 2-4 stacks remaining. What is strange is that she didn’t leave the field after being sent to the next phase.

Ty for your response,
i’m aware of that, and it was the way we worked around the bug, because actually we tried two times more after my last edit (In total we needed more than 1 hour and 20 min ONLY for the final fractal – more than for all the three other fractals in total).
But our problem was, that the barrage phase startet even if we dealed NO dmg to her and she had exactly the same hp as before and all 10 stacks (as you can see on my screenshot).

The Bug:
The bug is, that the barrage phase is starting right after Horrik shoots one times with the “static/elector” field. So you have to catch this single field, if you miss it you cant kill her, because she has 10 stacks (invulnerable) and there are no other “static” fields to remove the stacks.

Our workaround:
Immediatle stack on her with all team mates, so Horrik will shoot exactly on her possition, there the whole team stands. So you can remove up to 4 stacks from her, so that only 6 stacks remain, in the immediatly following barrage phase you are then able to kill her slowly, because you can deal dmg now. If the reaches the life threshold the barrage phase ends (otherwise it is infiitely long – at least i assume that, because i had not infite time to test it :P). In the next turn the bug still exists, the hard thing is now to immediatly stack on her again to catch the first shoot from horrik.

Another issue is that the firestorms enraged stacks act just like the shamans shield (only removes 1 stack per skill). Whereas the molten beserkers enrage stacks are removed per hit. Id like to know if the buggy stacks is intended on both the imbued shaman and the firestorm. Or if the bug is that the beserkers stacks are too easy to remove.

haviz.1340:

Stooperdale.3560:

At top of the cliffside fractal it is possible to be stunned by the hammer on the seal at the same time that adds spawn that are not sunned. These adds essentially get a free kill of the squishy classes before the stun wears off.

This bug have been present for few months and you’d know if this if you hadn’t been using faster “tactics”.

I always believed this was intended. You can have everyone hide behind a guardian’s wall of reflection (just have everyone follow the hammer carrier to the seal, lay down the wall of reflection and smack the seal), or you can have a focus-traited mesmer put up some reflection on the chanters (temporal curtain on one, iWarden on another, feedback on another). Engineer’s also have a reflect they can activate, I believe. I am not sure if a thief’s wall will block their attacks.

Yes, these issues really need to be addressed

Agreed, these issues need to be checked out. It would be nice to know what is and isn’t correct.

Agree, some are old bugs and some are new. Really glad OP listed all of these.

A few really is game breaking. The reactor one for example, we bugged the fractal and we had to do the overheat room with suicide runs with mesmer and necro etc……we are lucky we could continue, I can imagine many can’t.

Also the ascalon npcs are acting super weird. Once they aggro, after they wipe, they will rush to the enemy as soon as they are rezed. And you can’t properly pull and kill anymore because npc will draw the aggro for you.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Thaumanova Reactor

• In the rescue the lab workers quest, it is possible to rescue them too slowly and have the mission fail/bug out. On two times we did a split (4 people doing the shield/lasers and 1 doing the rescue) in order to make the fractal faster only to have it bug out and force us to restart the entire shard since you cannot finish the fractal or reset it. This is a gamebreaking bug. Right now the solution is to do it as a group to avoid doing it “too slowly” but in a fractal with a non-linear sandbox design, it is a bit disappointing to have the ability to split and come up with creative solutions limited in that way.

This happened to us today on our third fractal. It was very frustrating for the group and needs to be adressed. in fact, all of these issues need to be adressed.

I would also like to note that on the Dredge fractal, mobs dont de-aggro, and this can be infuriating at times. please fix this a-net.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

While we could excuse them for being gone on a holiday weekend, the fact that the devs continued to post in PVP/WVW threads is troubling.

Many of the posts in the WvW and PvP sub forums are posted by dedicated dev’s who are focused on that area of the game as such they won’t speak on this release as they havn’t worked on it.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

We were promised that weapon skins would be delivered in a box that would allow us to choose the skin we wanted. This was, for players like me, the number one selling point of this update and the reason why I would run fractal dailies every day now instead of farming dungeons.

I have double checked the patch notes and preview page for this release and can find no mention of Fractal skins being contained in chests, the chat code for this item was data mined and posted to Reddit, can you confirm where this was announced?

They mentioned it on the stream. Which was a preview.

“Higher level fractals will drop fractal weapons in a container, allowing you to pick them. Fractal weapons are now skins instead of just weapons with no stats that force you to use a transmutation stone on them. "

http://dulfy.net/2013/11/25/gw2-fractured-developer-update-livestream-notes/

dredge strazar shoot through walls.

Lillith.5724:

Also in the Snowblind fractal, after killing the Legendary “whatshisname” we couldn’t get to the chest on the ledge altho we killed him off the ledge.

Enable AOE Loot in options

dredge can still shoot you through the clown car but you can’t hit them

also the weapon drop rate is soooooooooo loooooow now

before patch i would get weapon every 2-3rd run, since patch i got only 1 and i run 1-2 fractals every day -_-

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

Thaumanova Reactor

• In the rescue the lab workers quest, it is possible to rescue them too slowly and have the mission fail/bug out. On two times we did a split (4 people doing the shield/lasers and 1 doing the rescue) in order to make the fractal faster only to have it bug out and force us to restart the entire shard since you cannot finish the fractal or reset it. This is a gamebreaking bug. Right now the solution is to do it as a group to avoid doing it “too slowly” but in a fractal with a non-linear sandbox design, it is a bit disappointing to have the ability to split and come up with creative solutions limited in that way.

Are you talking about lvl 40+? Because I have successfully completed this shard at lvl 35 after failling the rescue mission: since you only need to reach 3 out of the 4 control panels (or whatever their name is), we just did the fire room instead. (ie lasers+ooze+fire room)

Another bug on this fractal: after killing the last boss nothing happens. The party is not teleported to the end chest and does not receive the form to travel to the next shard. This may be caused by a player disconnecting during the boss fight.