Guild Wars 2

Scrambles.2604:

jsduke.6537:

Let’s compromise. We can have open-world dueling on the day that I can go to WvW and opt-out of PvP so I can do my map completion without getting harassed by the PvP crowd.

Surely you see that this defeats the purpose of WvW being an open pvp contested zone, while open world dueling in PvE would not disrupt the fundamental purpose of the open world in PvE, which is leveling, exploring, fighting mobs, collect nodes, DEs, etc.

I would even take it a step further to say, the open world doesn’t really have a specific purpose, hence being the “open world.” Its open for you to do as you please, at your leisure.

If you have duels disabled, you can continue business as usual in open world PvE.

If you have PvP disabled in WvW, you can spy/scout for your server at the very least, which is pretty gamebreaking if you ask me.

I do understand that. What baffles me is why you can’t understand that PvE is for PvE. PvP players have 2 different options for PvP play. You don’t need to invade all 3 play environments. Leave PvE alone.

jsduke.6537:

Scrambles.2604:

jsduke.6537:

Let’s compromise. We can have open-world dueling on the day that I can go to WvW and opt-out of PvP so I can do my map completion without getting harassed by the PvP crowd.

Surely you see that this defeats the purpose of WvW being an open pvp contested zone, while open world dueling in PvE would not disrupt the fundamental purpose of the open world in PvE, which is leveling, exploring, fighting mobs, collect nodes, DEs, etc.

I would even take it a step further to say, the open world doesn’t really have a specific purpose, hence being the “open world.” Its open for you to do as you please, at your leisure.

If you have duels disabled, you can continue business as usual in open world PvE.

If you have PvP disabled in WvW, you can spy/scout for your server at the very least, which is pretty gamebreaking if you ask me.

I do understand that. What baffles me is why you can’t understand that PvE is for PvE. PvP players have 2 different options for PvP play. You don’t need to invade all 3 play environments. Leave PvE alone.

you know, i give up arguing with him.
he is clearly to much a PvPer to understand what a PvEer wants, till now i have only seen excuses just to add something that ruins that 1/3 of the game.
he has options and doesn’t want to accept them yet we PvE players have to suffer just because he wants something, it’s the ignorant boy in a cluster of role players.

jsduke.6537:

Scrambles.2604:

jsduke.6537:

Let’s compromise. We can have open-world dueling on the day that I can go to WvW and opt-out of PvP so I can do my map completion without getting harassed by the PvP crowd.

Surely you see that this defeats the purpose of WvW being an open pvp contested zone, while open world dueling in PvE would not disrupt the fundamental purpose of the open world in PvE, which is leveling, exploring, fighting mobs, collect nodes, DEs, etc.

I would even take it a step further to say, the open world doesn’t really have a specific purpose, hence being the “open world.” Its open for you to do as you please, at your leisure.

If you have duels disabled, you can continue business as usual in open world PvE.

If you have PvP disabled in WvW, you can spy/scout for your server at the very least, which is pretty gamebreaking if you ask me.

I do understand that. What baffles me is why you can’t understand that PvE is for PvE. PvP players have 2 different options for PvP play. You don’t need to invade all 3 play environments. Leave PvE alone.

If you understand that, then why on earth would you offer PvP immunity in WvW as a compromise? Why offer useless concessions while knowing full well before hand that they wont work?

The open world isn’t a sacred zone for PvE. It is just that, an open world. If you want your sacred, unadulterated PvE, that is what dungeons are for. The open world is for the freedom to do what you want on your own time.

And if duels are going to “invade” PvE, then what about Costume brawls? Surely, that would be considered “PvP in a PvE zone” yet for some reason, everyone is going happily about their business in the open world.

sorudo.9054:

jsduke.6537:

Scrambles.2604:

jsduke.6537:

Let’s compromise. We can have open-world dueling on the day that I can go to WvW and opt-out of PvP so I can do my map completion without getting harassed by the PvP crowd.

Surely you see that this defeats the purpose of WvW being an open pvp contested zone, while open world dueling in PvE would not disrupt the fundamental purpose of the open world in PvE, which is leveling, exploring, fighting mobs, collect nodes, DEs, etc.

I would even take it a step further to say, the open world doesn’t really have a specific purpose, hence being the “open world.” Its open for you to do as you please, at your leisure.

If you have duels disabled, you can continue business as usual in open world PvE.

If you have PvP disabled in WvW, you can spy/scout for your server at the very least, which is pretty gamebreaking if you ask me.

I do understand that. What baffles me is why you can’t understand that PvE is for PvE. PvP players have 2 different options for PvP play. You don’t need to invade all 3 play environments. Leave PvE alone.

you know, i give up arguing with him.
he is clearly to much a PvPer to understand what a PvEer wants, till now i have only seen excuses just to add something that ruins that 1/3 of the game.
he has options and doesn’t want to accept them yet we PvE players have to suffer just because he wants something, it’s the ignorant boy in a cluster of role players.

Sorudo, I have been extremely patient with you, while you continue to rant and ignore any of my rebuttals. Please understand that digging through your spelling and grammatical errors, as well as your broken sentences really hurts my brain, yet i have been very respectful towards your argument.

At the very least, you could not bad mouth me. Debate my argument, not my person.

Scrambles.2604:

If you understand that, then why on earth would you offer PvP immunity in WvW as a compromise? Why offer useless concessions while knowing full well before hand that they wont work?

The open world isn’t a sacred zone for PvE. It is just that, an open world. If you want your sacred, unadulterated PvE, that is what dungeons are for. The open world is for the freedom to do what you want on your own time.

And if duels are going to “invade” PvE, then what about Costume brawls? Surely, that would be considered “PvP in a PvE zone” yet for some reason, everyone is going happily about their business in the open world.

I was trying to illustrate to you why PvE dueling is a bad idea. You rejected my suggestion for the same reason I reject yours. Because it doesn’t belong in the environment.

If we didn’t have sPvP and WvW, then I would be on your side. Even though I dread the idea of PvP-bullies spamming duels everywhere I go, I wouldn’t try to prevent you from having the kind of content you like. But you already have PvP in 2 out of the 3 game environments.

Respect the fact that other players don’t want to play the way you want to play.

jsduke.6537:

Scrambles.2604:

If you understand that, then why on earth would you offer PvP immunity in WvW as a compromise? Why offer useless concessions while knowing full well before hand that they wont work?

The open world isn’t a sacred zone for PvE. It is just that, an open world. If you want your sacred, unadulterated PvE, that is what dungeons are for. The open world is for the freedom to do what you want on your own time.

And if duels are going to “invade” PvE, then what about Costume brawls? Surely, that would be considered “PvP in a PvE zone” yet for some reason, everyone is going happily about their business in the open world.

I was trying to illustrate to you why PvE dueling is a bad idea. You rejected my suggestion for the same reason I reject yours. Because it doesn’t belong in the environment.

If we didn’t have sPvP and WvW, then I would be on your side. Even though I dread the idea of PvP-bullies spamming duels everywhere I go, I wouldn’t try to prevent you from having the kind of content you like. But you already have PvP in 2 out of the 3 game environments.

Respect the fact that other players don’t want to play the way you want to play.

I hope you read the part where i said they could make a cooldown on repeated duel requests to prevent spam.

I totally respect that people here don’t want to duel, which is why i have offered many suggestions that would essentially prevent dueling from having any impact on your game, if you choose not to duel.

If a disallow duels requests option was enabled by default for everyone, dueling might as well not exist. So, until you choose to enable that feature, there essentially is no dueling.

Do you have anything to say about costume brawls? If pvp is so out of place in PvE i figured you would have mentioned it by now.

Since you mentioned it, I don’t like costume brawls either. I’d like to see them removed from game, but I’m not going to go on a personal forum-crusade to complain about it.

jsduke.6537:

Since you mentioned it, I don’t like costume brawls either. I’d like to see them removed from game, but I’m not going to go on a personal forum-crusade to complain about it.

Fair enough. Hopefully you could acknowledge that the existence of costume brawls upends the claim that “Open world PvE zones are strictly for PvE.”

Scrambles.2604:

jsduke.6537:

Since you mentioned it, I don’t like costume brawls either. I’d like to see them removed from game, but I’m not going to go on a personal forum-crusade to complain about it.

Fair enough. Hopefully you could acknowledge that the existence of costume brawls upends the claim that “Open world PvE zones are strictly for PvE.”

No I don’t think it does. Anyway, I’m not persuaded by your arguments, and I’m done with this thread. I recommend you continue your efforts in the PvP forums, since you are dissatisfied with the current PvP options.

Bevillian.1260:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

I think PvE players don’t want duels in PvE because they don’t want to be bothered with any request, even if the box goes away if unanswered and can’t be reclicked again or even if there is an option to exempt them from any duel request.

People just don’t want to be hasseled with stuff they have no interest in doing. That is how I am and I agree with those against dueling in PvE zones because I just don’t want to hassle with stuff that I’m not interested in doing.

Even if there is an option to exempt them from any duel request, they don’t want to be bothered? That isn’t bothering anyone, that is configuring your game. It isn’t a hassle to configure your game, every single player does it. Blocking players could prevent them from even requesting a duel. You might not be interested in doing it, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t need to be implemented.

Doen’t mean it needs to be implemented either.

Doesn’t matter what any of you think, if someone doesn’t want to hassle with it, they don’t care to hassle with it regardless of what you think of what a hassle is.

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Bevillian.1260:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

I think PvE players don’t want duels in PvE because they don’t want to be bothered with any request, even if the box goes away if unanswered and can’t be reclicked again or even if there is an option to exempt them from any duel request.

People just don’t want to be hasseled with stuff they have no interest in doing. That is how I am and I agree with those against dueling in PvE zones because I just don’t want to hassle with stuff that I’m not interested in doing.

Even if there is an option to exempt them from any duel request, they don’t want to be bothered? That isn’t bothering anyone, that is configuring your game. It isn’t a hassle to configure your game, every single player does it. Blocking players could prevent them from even requesting a duel. You might not be interested in doing it, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t need to be implemented.

Doen’t mean it needs to be implemented either.

Doesn’t matter what any of you think, if someone doesn’t want to hassle with it, they don’t care to hassle with it regardless of what you think of what a hassle is.

which is why having “Don’t allow duel requests” enabled by default would effectively eliminate the “hassle.”

To all the Pro-Dueling crowd people out there. I suggest we start a movement where we start challenging everyone we see to a costume brawl.

An example; “Yo! You there costume brawl?” “Why won’t you costume brawl me?” “Scared to lose?” “C’mon coward! I will even use my moa form.” “OMG! MAD KING COSTUME IS OP!”

Scrambles.2604:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Bevillian.1260:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

I think PvE players don’t want duels in PvE because they don’t want to be bothered with any request, even if the box goes away if unanswered and can’t be reclicked again or even if there is an option to exempt them from any duel request.

People just don’t want to be hasseled with stuff they have no interest in doing. That is how I am and I agree with those against dueling in PvE zones because I just don’t want to hassle with stuff that I’m not interested in doing.

Even if there is an option to exempt them from any duel request, they don’t want to be bothered? That isn’t bothering anyone, that is configuring your game. It isn’t a hassle to configure your game, every single player does it. Blocking players could prevent them from even requesting a duel. You might not be interested in doing it, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t need to be implemented.

Doen’t mean it needs to be implemented either.

Doesn’t matter what any of you think, if someone doesn’t want to hassle with it, they don’t care to hassle with it regardless of what you think of what a hassle is.

which is why having “Don’t allow duel requests” enabled by default would effectively eliminate the “hassle.”

Until it buggs out and we end up with a zone full of dead PvE players.

Dueling doesn’t need to be in open world. You have options to already go duel in your own private setting.

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Scrambles.2604:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Bevillian.1260:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

I think PvE players don’t want duels in PvE because they don’t want to be bothered with any request, even if the box goes away if unanswered and can’t be reclicked again or even if there is an option to exempt them from any duel request.

People just don’t want to be hasseled with stuff they have no interest in doing. That is how I am and I agree with those against dueling in PvE zones because I just don’t want to hassle with stuff that I’m not interested in doing.

Even if there is an option to exempt them from any duel request, they don’t want to be bothered? That isn’t bothering anyone, that is configuring your game. It isn’t a hassle to configure your game, every single player does it. Blocking players could prevent them from even requesting a duel. You might not be interested in doing it, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t need to be implemented.

Doen’t mean it needs to be implemented either.

Doesn’t matter what any of you think, if someone doesn’t want to hassle with it, they don’t care to hassle with it regardless of what you think of what a hassle is.

which is why having “Don’t allow duel requests” enabled by default would effectively eliminate the “hassle.”

Until it buggs out and we end up with a zone full of dead PvE players.

Dueling doesn’t need to be in open world. You have options to already go duel in your own private setting.

You don’t die from a duel. You fight to 1 health and then someone wins.

I don’t know why you would assume it would ‘bug out.’ You could win every argument by assuming some imaginary technical issue will get in the way.

Looking forward for this. I’d love to fight against my friends on a 1 vs 1.

sorudo.9054:

Arcuss.6457:

You all try to argue with scrambles, yet he trumps you ever time. He has effectively covered every point and counter-point you could think of using logic and reasoning, and for that, I applaud you scrambles. It’s simple really, you get an option that is added to the game that you can participate in or not, and it in no way affects how you play or what you are playing.

WvWer’s have to deal with PvE in their PvP content and that’s not even an option to turn off. People just deal with it. Just like they would with duels.

in your point of view, up until now he has said nothing to compromise anything while still staying so stubborn on forcing things in ppl’s face.
also, you can also simply deal with the fact that there is already a duel option, you can deal with the fact that duels in the open PvE world disrupts someone’s fun this should not happen.

it’s better to keep something away when it only brings problems rather then add something while screwing over the rest of the crowd.

There is no point in arguing with you. You fail to use any sort of common sense or logic in your arguments. Your just focused on not having an option that others may find fun. You keep saying it will ruin your PvE experience, but that makes no sense because it cant interfere with PvE. You’re being selfish and a troll and i’m done with you.

Ok so no doubt dueling would be fun, whether it be open world or some sort of dueling system implemented into PvP. The closest we have right now is dueling servers which i’ll admit aren’t that bad but it’s nowhere near what it could be. Trying to say you’re genuinely better than someone else you’ve faced in solo queue or team queue is near impossible. You cant have a true 1 vs. 1 when you’re having to think about where to go next, what points are being capped, who’s dead ect… I personally think this could improve alot of zergers from WvW genuine skill without them having to spend hours playing the same maps over & over. Dying is only fun when you’re being beaten by someone truly better than you and it’s pretty hard to tell who’s better/worse in WvW/PvP

No.

Fun for you, maybe, but I always find it annoying getting asked to duel by some random punter even if the option is there to auto-decline duels. So definitely in open world this would be seriously vexing.

A dueling arena-ish thing? Sure, have at it.

You already have dueling and a dueling arena-ish thing.

Private PvP servers.

You can duel to your hearts content, organize tournaments, everything. It takes player efforts to do so, but all the tools are in place, including these forums where you can advertise your tournaments and get donations for prizes and the like.

Yeah duel-spam is great, even if you decline these people don’t stop .. especially if you are just in a fight.

VOLKON.1290:

You already have dueling and a dueling arena-ish thing.

Private PvP servers.

You can duel to your hearts content, organize tournaments, everything. It takes player efforts to do so, but all the tools are in place, including these forums where you can advertise your tournaments and get donations for prizes and the like.

How i supposed to get celestial stats mixed with bers/knights etc to be effective on my hybrid ele in spvp? explain to me plz

I think we need actual guild wars before we need dueling. How great would it be if you could declare war against another guild making them Red everywhere but in cities. Think Lineage II.

We have threads on dueling. In the suggestions forum, where they belong. We’ve hashed, and rehashed this topic.

My vote is still no.

Inverted.7439:

Ok so no doubt dueling would be fun, whether it be open world or some sort of dueling system implemented into PvP. The closest we have right now is dueling servers which i’ll admit aren’t that bad but it’s nowhere near what it could be. Trying to say you’re genuinely better than someone else you’ve faced in solo queue or team queue is near impossible. You cant have a true 1 vs. 1 when you’re having to think about where to go next, what points are being capped, who’s dead ect… I personally think this could improve alot of zergers from WvW genuine skill without them having to spend hours playing the same maps over & over. Dying is only fun when you’re being beaten by someone truly better than you and it’s pretty hard to tell who’s better/worse in WvW/PvP

before this thread gets merged into the duels mega-thread, i would like to mention that Anet devs have said they would like to add open world dueling at some point, but have also acknowledged that you can do it in a round-about way via custom sPvP.

So whether you like dueling or not— That’s irrelevant. It sounds like open world dueling is just another feature that never made it into the game before the release date.

My two concerns are:

• I never want to see a single dueling request. If this is enabled, there needs to be an option for players to disable receiving relevant messages/invites.
• This takes away two sets of resources from other issues: it takes programming resources to implement and maintain and customer service resources to deal with the inevitable complaints (regardless of whether any of them would be reasonable).

I’d really prefer that ANet work on other features instead. Plenty of other games include dueling; I don’t believe that this one has to.

well I don’t care what others think
the option SHOULD BE THERE, saying you don’t like duels is no reason on why it should not be in the game,
Personally I’m also no fan of duels, but still think it should be added
they should have:

-duel option
-option menu → automatic duel refusal (on/off) (a option that will refuse duels automatically form other players, hear that duel haters? what can you complain about when you have this?! BAM! me owning you here!)
-duel rewards (karma, gold, random items, you know? something to give you a purpose to duel in the first place, nobody likes to do something for nothing)
-group duels
-mini duels (same as before, giving a little purpose to those now useless mini’s)
-duel arena in lions arch and every main city (arena ground there its always pvp free for all)

if you guys wanna keep arguing about duels, i would like to refer you to the actual thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/suggestions/Open-world-Duels-Merged/page/26#post3328564

Literally every point for or against duels is acknowledged in this thread i would bet all my star wars cards that no one could introduce an original idea that has not already been acknowledged in this thread.

Before you start whining about why duels don’t belong, please read at least 1 page from the mega-thread and attempt to educate yourself, instead of repeating the same tired lines that have been thoroughly addressed.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

My two concerns are:

• I never want to see a single dueling request. If this is enabled, there needs to be an option for players to disable receiving relevant messages/invites.
• This takes away two sets of resources from other issues: it takes programming resources to implement and maintain and customer service resources to deal with the inevitable complaints (regardless of whether any of them would be reasonable).

I’d really prefer that ANet work on other features instead. Plenty of other games include dueling; I don’t believe that this one has to.

a lot of other games have a auto duel refuse option, for players like you that hate duels, what does it to? you set the option “on” and whenever somebody asks you to duel you won’t be bothered by a duel message but instead get to play on while nothing bothers you wile some player is running around you in circles wondering why you are not responding right before they receive the message “this player has blocked any duel requests”

if they ad a duel option to this game its fine by me with only 2 conditions

1 auto duel refusal option

2 rewards for wining a duel so fighting other players will not be utterly pointless

if you have those 2 options then what is there to complain about?

As long as there is an auto block option I vote a giant YES! there are times when a duel would allow me more options in RP.

Today I tried doing Obsidian Sanctum, and naturally It was impossible to do so because some people make it their life’s work to ruin the happiness of others. They were there specifically to make sure people couldn’t complete the jumping puzzle.

I remember at one time, someone here on the forum asked for the courtesy to let him complete a jumping puzzle. As a response people gave him the finger and said he should go back to PvE, because in WvW (and I qoute) you should be ready to get punched in the face.

^This pretty much sums up most of the pvp community.

PvP breeds rivalries, antagonism and turns people into despicable monsters. I got reminded of that now. Every form of PvP should stay out of PvE. Go back to wvw/spvp, if you are in PvE, get ready to treat people normally.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Today I tried doing Obsidian Sanctum, and naturally It was impossible to do so because some people make it their life’s work to ruin the happiness of others. They were there specifically to make sure people couldn’t complete the jumping puzzle.

I remember at one time, someone here on the forum asked for the courtesy to let him complete a jumping puzzle. As a response people gave him the finger and said he should go back to PvE, because in WvW (and I qoute) you should be ready to get punched in the face.

^This pretty much sums up most of the pvp community.

PvP breeds rivalries, antagonism and turns people into despicable monsters. I got reminded of that now. Every form of PvP should stay out of PvE. Go back to wvw/spvp, if you are in PvE, get ready to treat people normally.

nice try Windu, but the rule of thumb to open world pvp and WvW (including obsidian sanctum) is “red = dead.”

Lucky for you, open world dueling is an entirely different beast than open world pvp so your anecdote has only really served to necro the duel thread, instead of propagate your failed argument.

open world dueling requires consent from both parties. period.

Entering obsidian sanctum is your consent to the risk that you may get ganked.

Arcuss.6457:

sorudo.9054:

Arcuss.6457:

You all try to argue with scrambles, yet he trumps you ever time. He has effectively covered every point and counter-point you could think of using logic and reasoning, and for that, I applaud you scrambles. It’s simple really, you get an option that is added to the game that you can participate in or not, and it in no way affects how you play or what you are playing.

WvWer’s have to deal with PvE in their PvP content and that’s not even an option to turn off. People just deal with it. Just like they would with duels.

in your point of view, up until now he has said nothing to compromise anything while still staying so stubborn on forcing things in ppl’s face.
also, you can also simply deal with the fact that there is already a duel option, you can deal with the fact that duels in the open PvE world disrupts someone’s fun this should not happen.

it’s better to keep something away when it only brings problems rather then add something while screwing over the rest of the crowd.

There is no point in arguing with you. You fail to use any sort of common sense or logic in your arguments. Your just focused on not having an option that others may find fun. You keep saying it will ruin your PvE experience, but that makes no sense because it cant interfere with PvE. You’re being selfish and a troll and i’m done with you.

GW2 is 2/3 PvP, there are plenty of PvP exclusive things and i am the selfish one?
you’re the selfish one, you only care about PvP and never provide any reason WHY PvP should be in the PvE side of the game.
if you want to duel use the options or accept the alternatives ppl already provided, if you can’t even do that then all you do is being selfish and ignoring someone else’s wishes.

Scrambles.2604:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Today I tried doing Obsidian Sanctum, and naturally It was impossible to do so because some people make it their life’s work to ruin the happiness of others. They were there specifically to make sure people couldn’t complete the jumping puzzle.

I remember at one time, someone here on the forum asked for the courtesy to let him complete a jumping puzzle. As a response people gave him the finger and said he should go back to PvE, because in WvW (and I qoute) you should be ready to get punched in the face.

^This pretty much sums up most of the pvp community.

PvP breeds rivalries, antagonism and turns people into despicable monsters. I got reminded of that now. Every form of PvP should stay out of PvE. Go back to wvw/spvp, if you are in PvE, get ready to treat people normally.

nice try Windu, but the rule of thumb to open world pvp and WvW (including obsidian sanctum) is “red = dead.”

Lucky for you, open world dueling is an entirely different beast than open world pvp so your anecdote has only really served to necro the duel thread, instead of propagate your failed argument.

open world dueling requires consent from both parties. period.

Entering obsidian sanctum is your consent to the risk that you may get ganked.

I’m talking about the pvp mentality. It should stay away from pve.

And about necroing this thread, you already did that by linking this thread in one of the recent duel threads. People will never stop whining for this, wether I necro this or not.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Scrambles.2604:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Today I tried doing Obsidian Sanctum, and naturally It was impossible to do so because some people make it their life’s work to ruin the happiness of others. They were there specifically to make sure people couldn’t complete the jumping puzzle.

I remember at one time, someone here on the forum asked for the courtesy to let him complete a jumping puzzle. As a response people gave him the finger and said he should go back to PvE, because in WvW (and I qoute) you should be ready to get punched in the face.

^This pretty much sums up most of the pvp community.

PvP breeds rivalries, antagonism and turns people into despicable monsters. I got reminded of that now. Every form of PvP should stay out of PvE. Go back to wvw/spvp, if you are in PvE, get ready to treat people normally.

nice try Windu, but the rule of thumb to open world pvp and WvW (including obsidian sanctum) is “red = dead.”

Lucky for you, open world dueling is an entirely different beast than open world pvp so your anecdote has only really served to necro the duel thread, instead of propagate your failed argument.

open world dueling requires consent from both parties. period.

Entering obsidian sanctum is your consent to the risk that you may get ganked.

I’m talking about the pvp mentality. It should stay away from pve.

And about necroing this thread, you already did that by linking this thread in one of the recent duel threads. People will never stop whining for this, wether I necro this or not.

I’m not going to argue whether or not your notion of the “pvp mentality” exists or doesn’t exist, because neither of us can prove anything about the ideologies the majority of player may or may not adhere to.

The only thing i can say is your issues with pvp stem from your inability to opt out, which results in ganking and the perception of bullying. All of which is a non-issue when it comes to open world dueling because it requires consent from both parties.

and i am really curious how you are able to perform such incredible mental gymnastics, as to blame me for necroing the thread you posted in, because i linked the actual duel thread to someone who made a duplicate of the thread. Should i just encourage people to keep making new threads instead of referring to the existing one?

Scrambles.2604:

Should i just encourage people to keep making new threads instead of referring to the existing one?

What you should do is stop whining about this. Yes I know you want dueling badly but Arenanet already knows a lot of people want this (it’s hard to miss with the 5 billion threads that already exist).

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Scrambles.2604:

Should i just encourage people to keep making new threads instead of referring to the existing one?

What you should do is stop whining about this. Yes I know you want dueling badly but Arenanet already knows a lot of people want this (it’s hard to miss with the 5 billion threads that already exist).

I’m not whining. I am here to educate. I referred someone asking about dueling to the single, giant thread dedicated solely to dueling.

Then you took the opportunity to let us know how much you hate obsidian sanctum, which i have no idea what that has to do with open world dueling.

I’ll give you a second to figure out who is doing all the whining

Most importantly, let’s try to keep this constructive. We’re all friends here.

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Inverted.7439:

Ok so no doubt dueling would be fun, whether it be open world or some sort of dueling system implemented into PvP. The closest we have right now is dueling servers which i’ll admit aren’t that bad but it’s nowhere near what it could be. Trying to say you’re genuinely better than someone else you’ve faced in solo queue or team queue is near impossible. You cant have a true 1 vs. 1 when you’re having to think about where to go next, what points are being capped, who’s dead ect… I personally think this could improve alot of zergers from WvW genuine skill without them having to spend hours playing the same maps over & over. Dying is only fun when you’re being beaten by someone truly better than you and it’s pretty hard to tell who’s better/worse in WvW/PvP

before this thread gets merged into the duels mega-thread, i would like to mention that Anet devs have said they would like to add open world dueling at some point, but have also acknowledged that you can do it in a round-about way via custom sPvP.

So whether you like dueling or not— That’s irrelevant. It sounds like open world dueling is just another feature that never made it into the game before the release date.

You act like the way the dev’s will introduce dueling will be the same as your vision. After reading the book worth of arguments for and against in this thread im pretty sure it won’t be implemented the way you really want.

geesh, 26 pages?
I’m quiting while I’m still ahead
I said what I wanted, thats all it needs to be.

the only relevant solution I see is that they should add duels, but also the option to auto refuse duel requests, that way everybody gets (the basics) of what they wanted,
haters get to ignore it, and duel fans get to indulge in it.

bloodletting wolf.2837:

Scrambles.2604:

Inverted.7439:

Ok so no doubt dueling would be fun, whether it be open world or some sort of dueling system implemented into PvP. The closest we have right now is dueling servers which i’ll admit aren’t that bad but it’s nowhere near what it could be. Trying to say you’re genuinely better than someone else you’ve faced in solo queue or team queue is near impossible. You cant have a true 1 vs. 1 when you’re having to think about where to go next, what points are being capped, who’s dead ect… I personally think this could improve alot of zergers from WvW genuine skill without them having to spend hours playing the same maps over & over. Dying is only fun when you’re being beaten by someone truly better than you and it’s pretty hard to tell who’s better/worse in WvW/PvP

before this thread gets merged into the duels mega-thread, i would like to mention that Anet devs have said they would like to add open world dueling at some point, but have also acknowledged that you can do it in a round-about way via custom sPvP.

So whether you like dueling or not— That’s irrelevant. It sounds like open world dueling is just another feature that never made it into the game before the release date.

You act like the way the dev’s will introduce dueling will be the same as your vision. After reading the book worth of arguments for and against in this thread im pretty sure it won’t be implemented the way you really want.

“my vision.” lol.

I have a dream, that one day, friends can fight each other in the vast, open world of Tyria. Not to the death, but to 1HP. And not for gold, but simply for the fun of it.

At this point, all the suggestions i’ve made simply mirror the duel system that every MMO has, with preventive measures for people who would prefer not to duel at all.

Anet, it needs to happen!!

Scrambles.2604:

bloodletting wolf.2837:

Scrambles.2604:

Inverted.7439:

Ok so no doubt dueling would be fun, whether it be open world or some sort of dueling system implemented into PvP. The closest we have right now is dueling servers which i’ll admit aren’t that bad but it’s nowhere near what it could be. Trying to say you’re genuinely better than someone else you’ve faced in solo queue or team queue is near impossible. You cant have a true 1 vs. 1 when you’re having to think about where to go next, what points are being capped, who’s dead ect… I personally think this could improve alot of zergers from WvW genuine skill without them having to spend hours playing the same maps over & over. Dying is only fun when you’re being beaten by someone truly better than you and it’s pretty hard to tell who’s better/worse in WvW/PvP

before this thread gets merged into the duels mega-thread, i would like to mention that Anet devs have said they would like to add open world dueling at some point, but have also acknowledged that you can do it in a round-about way via custom sPvP.

So whether you like dueling or not— That’s irrelevant. It sounds like open world dueling is just another feature that never made it into the game before the release date.

You act like the way the dev’s will introduce dueling will be the same as your vision. After reading the book worth of arguments for and against in this thread im pretty sure it won’t be implemented the way you really want.

“my vision.” lol.

I have a dream, that one day, friends can fight each other in the vast, open world of Tyria. Not to the death, but to 1HP. And not for gold, but simply for the fun of it.

At this point, all the suggestions i’ve made simply mirror the duel system that every MMO has, with preventive measures for people who would prefer not to duel at all.

I don’t think I quite get what people are all on about on this thread anyways,
the basics of every “respectable” duel for mmo’s is simply

- you are able to request duels to other players
- you get a option in your option menu to auto refuse duels form other players so that you never get a pop up message and the person who send you the request gets a bot reply: “This player has blocked any duel requests”
- starting a duel will make both players hostile to each other with no other players able to interfere, npc mobs will still be hostile.
-the duel will not end until one of both players health reaches 0, when this happens a scripted event triggers where the losing player automatically revives with full health and conditions are removed.
-some area’s do not allow duels due to environment/event/group, possible incompatibility’s
- Doing a duel will not give exp, items, karma or any form of improvement but will just allow 2 players to test each other’s power.

those are the basic foundation rules of every mmo duel, if those basics are not used, then its not a duel system in the first place. then its PvP

If you die after a requested battle? regular pvp
if you don’t get to request a duel at all and just get attacked? regular pvp
a ton of rewards for taking down multiple players? pvp
fighting other players in area’s where you need to do a specific group event? pvp

all of that stuff already exists in the pvp area’s of the game,
thats why duels are requested so much I guess, people just want to fight a other player while getting to request it, then fight untill somebody is defeated, then being able to get back up without negative effects or needing to respawn at a way point and then move on.

you know what the difference is between dungeons, fartials, LS vs duels, you can ignore all of the former and get the last in your face constantly regardless.
if it’s in a dedicated arena without gear limits then sure, beat the crap out of each other.
if it’s in the open world then no, it keeps on being a bother for both ppl who simply don’t want to duel at the time and the players who can’t stand duels.

as i said before, i am just one of the masses who can’t stand duels and every single MMO we play will always be played in a PvE server (so duels are not even allowed).
i am just one of the masses who already gave alternative ideas to make everyone happy but that’s apparently not enough, it has to be pushed in our throat and we have no say in the matter.

sorudo.9054:

you know what the difference is between dungeons, fartials, LS vs duels, you can ignore all of the former and get the last in your face constantly regardless.
if it’s in a dedicated arena without gear limits then sure, beat the crap out of each other.
if it’s in the open world then no, it keeps on being a bother for both ppl who simply don’t want to duel at the time and the players who can’t stand duels.

as i said before, i am just one of the masses who can’t stand duels and every single MMO we play will always be played in a PvE server (so duels are not even allowed).
i am just one of the masses who already gave alternative ideas to make everyone happy but that’s apparently not enough, it has to be pushed in our throat and we have no say in the matter.

Jeez, Sorudo, you sure are stubborn.

What MMO have you played where duels aren’t allowed?

I’m about 50/50 — i don’t believe you/genuinely curious.

You know… I think I may have an idea that could fit in and be interesting for duels… it sounds like it would be right up the Consortium’s alley, does it not? Imagine an arena similar to the Queen’s Jubilee fights where two of you willing to duel talk to a Consortium member, pay a small pittance of a fee and in you go. Like the Jubilee, others could watch and, being separated, there would be no outside interference of any kind. This would, of course, be placed in Southsun.

VOLKON.1290:

You know… I think I may have an idea that could fit in and be interesting for duels… it sounds like it would be right up the Consortium’s alley, does it not? Imagine an arena similar to the Queen’s Jubilee fights where two of you willing to duel talk to a Consortium member, pay a small pittance of a fee and in you go. Like the Jubilee, others could watch and, being separated, there would be no outside interference of any kind. This would, of course, be placed in Southsun.

“Hey person i just came across in the open world! Want to pay waypoint fees, travel through 5 minutes of loading screens, and then pay an entry fee so we can duel eachother?? Yeah, me neither! See ya later!”

Again, it is a novel suggestion, but still completely defeats the purpose of open world dueling in an effort to satiate people that have no interest in dueling— who could simply decline a duel request instead of inventing an additional, convoluted version of sPvP

Scrambles.2604:

VOLKON.1290:

You know… I think I may have an idea that could fit in and be interesting for duels… it sounds like it would be right up the Consortium’s alley, does it not? Imagine an arena similar to the Queen’s Jubilee fights where two of you willing to duel talk to a Consortium member, pay a small pittance of a fee and in you go. Like the Jubilee, others could watch and, being separated, there would be no outside interference of any kind. This would, of course, be placed in Southsun.

“Hey person i just came across in the open world! Want to pay waypoint fees, travel through 5 minutes of loading screens, and then pay an entry fee so we can duel eachother?? Yeah, me neither! See ya later!”

Again, it is a novel suggestion, but still completely defeats the purpose of open world dueling in an effort to satiate people that have no interest in dueling— who could simply decline a duel request instead of inventing an additional, convoluted version of sPvP

Well, to be honest, open world dueling doesn’t fit in the open world of GW2. We’re simply not set up to fight each other in the PvE world by design, so the best option would be for a place specifically designed for dueling purposes. Using the Jubilee model would also make it viewable by all so you could have side bets and the like.

VOLKON.1290:

Scrambles.2604:

VOLKON.1290:

You know… I think I may have an idea that could fit in and be interesting for duels… it sounds like it would be right up the Consortium’s alley, does it not? Imagine an arena similar to the Queen’s Jubilee fights where two of you willing to duel talk to a Consortium member, pay a small pittance of a fee and in you go. Like the Jubilee, others could watch and, being separated, there would be no outside interference of any kind. This would, of course, be placed in Southsun.

“Hey person i just came across in the open world! Want to pay waypoint fees, travel through 5 minutes of loading screens, and then pay an entry fee so we can duel eachother?? Yeah, me neither! See ya later!”

Again, it is a novel suggestion, but still completely defeats the purpose of open world dueling in an effort to satiate people that have no interest in dueling— who could simply decline a duel request instead of inventing an additional, convoluted version of sPvP

Well, to be honest, open world dueling doesn’t fit in the open world of GW2. We’re simply not set up to fight each other in the PvE world by design, so the best option would be for a place specifically designed for dueling purposes. Using the Jubilee model would also make it viewable by all so you could have side bets and the like.

How do you figure?

The GW2 open world seems just as fit for dueling as the open world in WoW or the open world in SWTOR. The only difference is GW2 has dynamic events, but the majority of the open world is not dynamic events so there is plenty of room for duels without stepping on peoples/DE’s toes.

There is incentive not to duel near DEs because when you are at low health from a duel almost anything can kill you and then your armor takes damage.

Again, your Jubilee model is almost no different from a custom sPvP game.

Scrambles.2604:

VOLKON.1290:

Scrambles.2604:

VOLKON.1290:

You know… I think I may have an idea that could fit in and be interesting for duels… it sounds like it would be right up the Consortium’s alley, does it not? Imagine an arena similar to the Queen’s Jubilee fights where two of you willing to duel talk to a Consortium member, pay a small pittance of a fee and in you go. Like the Jubilee, others could watch and, being separated, there would be no outside interference of any kind. This would, of course, be placed in Southsun.

“Hey person i just came across in the open world! Want to pay waypoint fees, travel through 5 minutes of loading screens, and then pay an entry fee so we can duel eachother?? Yeah, me neither! See ya later!”

Again, it is a novel suggestion, but still completely defeats the purpose of open world dueling in an effort to satiate people that have no interest in dueling— who could simply decline a duel request instead of inventing an additional, convoluted version of sPvP

Well, to be honest, open world dueling doesn’t fit in the open world of GW2. We’re simply not set up to fight each other in the PvE world by design, so the best option would be for a place specifically designed for dueling purposes. Using the Jubilee model would also make it viewable by all so you could have side bets and the like.

How do you figure?

The GW2 open world seems just as fit for dueling as the open world in WoW or the open world in SWTOR. The only difference is GW2 has dynamic events, but the majority of the open world is not dynamic events so there is plenty of room for duels without stepping on peoples/DE’s toes.

There is incentive not to duel near DEs because when you are at low health from a duel almost anything can kill you and then your armor takes damage.

Again, your Jubilee model is almost no different from a custom sPvP game.

Jubilee model costs no gems.

The open world model is more than dynamic events, it’s built at it’s very core to be cooperative PvE. You share fields for combos, everyone is automatically an ally, etc. You’d have to add a whole new set of conditions to try and recognize these rare circumstances where suddenly someone that is expected to be an ally is now an enemy, yet not an enemy to everyone, just you and only for that duel. That will now affect the combo system, the ally recognition system, etc. Butterfly effect… small changes ripple out into something much larger with potentially greater implications than it would seem on the surface.

VOLKON.1290:

Scrambles.2604:

VOLKON.1290:

Scrambles.2604:

VOLKON.1290:

You know… I think I may have an idea that could fit in and be interesting for duels… it sounds like it would be right up the Consortium’s alley, does it not? Imagine an arena similar to the Queen’s Jubilee fights where two of you willing to duel talk to a Consortium member, pay a small pittance of a fee and in you go. Like the Jubilee, others could watch and, being separated, there would be no outside interference of any kind. This would, of course, be placed in Southsun.

“Hey person i just came across in the open world! Want to pay waypoint fees, travel through 5 minutes of loading screens, and then pay an entry fee so we can duel eachother?? Yeah, me neither! See ya later!”

Again, it is a novel suggestion, but still completely defeats the purpose of open world dueling in an effort to satiate people that have no interest in dueling— who could simply decline a duel request instead of inventing an additional, convoluted version of sPvP

Well, to be honest, open world dueling doesn’t fit in the open world of GW2. We’re simply not set up to fight each other in the PvE world by design, so the best option would be for a place specifically designed for dueling purposes. Using the Jubilee model would also make it viewable by all so you could have side bets and the like.

How do you figure?

The GW2 open world seems just as fit for dueling as the open world in WoW or the open world in SWTOR. The only difference is GW2 has dynamic events, but the majority of the open world is not dynamic events so there is plenty of room for duels without stepping on peoples/DE’s toes.

There is incentive not to duel near DEs because when you are at low health from a duel almost anything can kill you and then your armor takes damage.

Again, your Jubilee model is almost no different from a custom sPvP game.

Jubilee model costs no gems.

The open world model is more than dynamic events, it’s built at it’s very core to be cooperative PvE. You share fields for combos, everyone is automatically an ally, etc. You’d have to add a whole new set of conditions to try and recognize these rare circumstances where suddenly someone that is expected to be an ally is now an enemy, yet not an enemy to everyone, just you and only for that duel. That will now affect the combo system, the ally recognition system, etc. Butterfly effect… small changes ripple out into something much larger with potentially greater implications than it would seem on the surface.

With no knowledge of what it would take to code this sort of thing, i would argue that the fact that dueling is a feature in every MMO (except apparently the ones Sorudo plays) means its not so outlandish to add such a feature.

Furthermore, you can already costume brawl in the open world and i imagine dueling would not be too different from that feature in its implementation.

Don’t read this as me trying to discourage any criticism, i most definitely welcome it. But you could win an argument in any thread in the suggestions forum by saying “this wouldn’t work because of unknown technical reasons.”

For those of us that are against open world duels the best method of debating that here is to no longer post in open world duel threads. Let the forum do the rest as it slides off the page.