Congrats SC.
Grats SC! Awesome effort on everyone’s part. (the teams for running, and DnT announcers and ANet) I hope this puts a spotlight on the dungeons and helps spur on development of new ones and bugfixing of current ones.
Congrats guys!
Congratulations to SC though I missed those beautiful wipes.
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Thank you guys, for all the kind words! This was really an awsome day, some of these matches were intense. Thanks [DnT] for organizing all of this
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Actually I’m pretty curious what was reasoning for that “no res” rule. I don’t really think it made the tournament any better. Even without the rule, wiping and dying would be really bad as it would slow the run down considerably. In my opinion the rule made the tournament way too much about tiny errors instead of good execution of creative tactics.
But perhaps the participants can share how they feel about it. Their fun is the most important thing about the tournament.
I’m pretty sure most people that read this will probably roll their eyes since we’re both in rT, but I agree with you for the most part. However…
Let me add a little modification to what you suggest:
When a party wipes, they must restart the entire path from the start — including crashing instance and reforming it. I was told that there was some sort of similar functionality in GW1’s dungeons (I wouldn’t know because I never played it).
This way it would still be the case that if a team wipes they’re almost guaranteed to lose, but I can imagine things really getting intense if the other team wipes afterwards and they’d have to catch up.
P.S. – I WANT A SOLO TOURNAMENT
P.S. – I WANT A SOLO TOURNAMENT
Would be so interesting watching dozen warriors do the same things.
First of all I want to say that DnT did a very good job for a first tournament. And congratulations for SC!
Actually I’m pretty curious what was reasoning for that “no res” rule. I don’t really think it made the tournament any better. Even without the rule, wiping and dying would be really bad as it would slow the run down considerably. In my opinion the rule made the tournament way too much about tiny errors instead of good execution of creative tactics.
But perhaps the participants can share how they feel about it. Their fun is the most important thing about the tournament.
I’m pretty sure most people that read this will probably roll their eyes since we’re both in rT, but I agree with you for the most part. However…
Let me add a little modification to what you suggest:
When a party wipes, they must restart the entire path from the start — including crashing instance and reforming it. I was told that there was some sort of similar functionality in GW1’s dungeons (I wouldn’t know because I never played it).
This way it would still be the case that if a team wipes they’re almost guaranteed to lose, but I can imagine things really getting intense if the other team wipes afterwards and they’d have to catch up.
P.S. – I WANT A SOLO TOURNAMENT
That was my initial idea but then I realized that it would make wiping unbalanced. Let’s say team A wipes thrice at the first boss (3 restarts) and team B wipes at the last boss. Team A would probably win because their wipes have much smaller penalty.
Anyways, the bottom line is that as a viewer, matches where a team wiped/got stuck were boring to watch and matches where both teams were able to play were interesting to watch.
I would even make the other team wait if dungeon gets bugged (or clearly list every bug somewhere so people can avoid them). For example SEP2 Noob vs FGS, Noob would have waited until FGS had restarted and got back to the same point.
As I stated before, matches should be based on good execution of creative tactics, not knowing every little bug / boss attack (some bosses can kill the team really fast if you don’t know everything about it as seen on Noob vs Malrona).
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Yeah the massive risk part was great, and I agree with you about that. That’s why I suggested the full instance reset sort of thing— it’s just the idea of watching one team not competing anymore and with no more pressure for time that seems kind of dull… although you did a very good job making up for that with the funny commentary.
Basically, I just would have preferred if there was never a point in time when there was only 1 team doing the dungeon and all suspense is completely lost.
Good point about the bugs getting more attention btw. It’d be really nice to see some more fixes to things like that… would be awesome. I won’t get my hopes up for that though. x_x
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The real reason I participated and felt I could participate as a pug group was because of the wipe rule. It is an equalizer, because everyone makes mistakes, and part of the excitement was seeing if you could recover from it. The risk also makes it really edge-of-your-seat, which is one of the most important things about esports… Those moments of intensity.
I’m totally agree. In my opinion, wipe rule + fixed teams is what saved this competition from the 4 ele pure speedrunning teams so popular at gwscr.com
And yeah, i think that adapting and recovering when something goes off the rail requires much more skill than just running everything smooth. So there is no need to push the balance toward the last.
Still wondering what would happen if rTs mesmer noticed the blinking stealth icon on the warrior and supported him with veil / mass invi )
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The real reason I participated and felt I could participate as a pug group was because of the wipe rule. It is an equalizer, because everyone makes mistakes, and part of the excitement was seeing if you could recover from it. The risk also makes it really edge-of-your-seat, which is one of the most important things about esports… Those moments of intensity.
Even mistakes including, I think the rule does something else to team compositions. Every single comp on every single team had a Guardian, and there was a lot more team bulk than is necessary for a lot of speed clears. I think it was a good balancer, and it made it really exciting to see people recover.
I’m not sure if I’d want to see it done the same way again, but I did really like this way. I think maybe a full restart would run into the same excitement problems. You wipe on the last boss and then what, you watch two teams desynced by ten-twenty minutes? That’s not very exciting either. I think that some matches ending in a clean sweep is just the way sports in general (#pvesports) work. Sometimes people mess up and that’s that. I’ll keep thinking of ways to improve it, though, but at a minimum I want a break before the next one. My nerves need a break. ;-;
Yes, it’s beneficial for weaker teams as it gives them a chance for auto-win (if opponent messes up too bad). But as I said before, I think winning should be based on skill, execution and tactics, not if you make a single slip at wrong moment.
Wiping already has a very big risk even without “no res” rule. If you wipe, you lose a lot of time and probably lose the match. But if you play really good you still have a chance to recover from it.
I didn’t watch every match but I personally didn’t see any of this “recovering”. Perhaps 1-2 guys went down but there was really no risk (easy to just pick them up). And when wipes happened, it took few seconds without any chance of recovering.
Honestly I have to say that Im quite a fan of the no death rule this time, it means teams need to think in more strategical terms and consider more defensive approaches. This allows for more innovativity and makes the tournament’s runs more varied.
At least for me team compositions seemed pretty same for everyone.
Anyways, things don’t have to extreme. If dying isn’t enough punishing alone we can allow only WPing (so dead people have to run back) or even force whole team back to WP.
I’m totally agree. In my opinion, wipe rule + fixed teams is what saved this competition from the
4 elepure speedrunning teams so popular at gwscr.comAnd yeah, i think that adapting and recovering when something goes off the rail requires much more skill than just running everything smooth. So there is no need to push the balance toward the last.
Still wondering what would happen if rTs mesmer noticed the blinking stealth icon on the warrior and supported him with veil / mass invi )
Expect no one can know whether pure speedrunning would have worked. A team with more safer approach might have still been better because they would get through without wiping.
Actually “no res” rule removed a lot of skill from certain matches. For example team afking at entrance would have beat rT. Would you call that team skillful?
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