Guild Wars 2

It’s okay guys, we still get new guild missions and minidungeons and jumping puzzles and new pvp modes and rewarding pve content and achievements with worthwhile rewards and… oh wait.

I like how Anet is better than any villain in any superhero movie: instead of talking before killing, they kill us first then talk. That’s actually quite professional!

DigitalKirin.9714:

Hi Regina, and thank you for posting. To my fellow dungeon subforum posters, while we do feel quite neglected here as we rarely see red posts, I don’t feel it right to make our first few posts to someone who has come to speak to us one of negativity.

We’ve had this attitude for about a year and look where it’s gotten us.

dutchiez.7502:

We’ve had this attitude for about a year and look where it’s gotten us.

/shrug

I can’t stop you from feeling this way. Nor will I criticize or condone your actions. Goodness knows I feel like we’ve been neglected here.

It’s just my thought that if we Do get a red post, do we “spend” their attention by slapping them away, or do we try to point out issues we feel important?

We don’t need changes. We need more challenges such as “NEW DUNGEON”. I love the way dungeons and combat systems currently are. I just want to face new mobs and new bosses in different setting with different backgrounds!

Also with better rewards such as new skins that aren’t in gem store and achievable through dungeons in reasonable RNG or via tokens!

It would possibly be better if the current set of dungeons are left as it is (besides fixing most of the bugs) and not revamped till Anet has real resources for a dungeon team.

I agree, I feel that it would be better to have new content rather than changing old content.

Even better: release some open source developing tool and let us design our own content. Call it GW2 workshop and let us make this game good in your stead:)

Zelyhn Lekovitch.2867:

Even better: release some open source developing tool and let us design our own content.

Private gw2 server, portal hub in LA has tons of portals leading to different dungeons and a vendor selling ascended zerk gear and weapons for 0 copper each ;__;

… despite my disappointment…. I would like to help with the thread per dungeon. If we want to have specific dungeon threads for forumers to be responsible for, I’d gladly do the TA and fractal one and manage it how I can.

Regina, it would be helpful if you gave us a template or some sort of example on how you’d like this kind of thread to behave and look like.

I swear, if a new dungeon is released soon and people say ‘they released it because of the backlash’, I will tear this dimension asunder.

Last time we asked for communication we were told it is absolutely doable and then nothing happened

But sure let’s write pages of feedback so at least you have something more organised to ignore!

Hi Regina, your posts are a very welcome sight here! You must have drawn the short straw, given this subforum’s reputation, but I assure you, there are several of us here who are more than willing to be civil if there’s an actual dialog going on :-)

As others have said, there is a general feeling of “too little, too late” today, especially after hearing that interview (as well as your comments re: activity in dungeons). I think most of us do understand that we’re a minority and resources are finite.

I’m pleased to hear that our feedback made it to the developers, but it begs the question: why didn’t their replies make it back to us? We’ve had countless posts about:

• The Alphard bug
• Instance ownership issues
• Uselessness of conditions in instanced PvE
• Merge party bug

just to name a few. Some of these were eventually fixed, but we’d see new posts about them daily, with no response, ever, from ArenaNet. This has been unacceptable, and needs to change if there is to be a feeling of trust in this subforum. Every post does not require a reply and we do not expect promises, but when there is an obvious hotbutton issue, some acknowledgement of it cannot be too much to ask.

As for consolidating bugs, Lilith Ajit started a very nice thread with many, many dungeon bugs bullet listed on it a few months back. I think it’s probably back several dozen pages by now, though. It had a very nice summary of many broken systems and, IIRC, may have been broken into dungeons. I think Danicia posted on it once or twice, so it might have already been seen by your team. Edit: Just saw your other post — nvm ;-)

Dunno if I’ll still be playing GW2 tomorrow or not, but if so, I look forward to seeing you around!

What i would like to see is a new dungeon, because we are playing the same dungeons for 2 years now and it gets time for something new.

I can’t believe Regina is telling us all to “suck it up” in such a cheerful way; it really makes me /uninstall right now. I look at other MMOs which are all pushing content now more than ever and I wonder why I am still playing a game where the devs have either no idea what they are doing or have completely wrong priorities.

Living story? really? the joke of the MMO market right now. S1 failed and you STILL decide to focus on it. Free DLC every 2 weeks? Are you kidding me? The last “DLC” had walls of text and 5 minutes worth of combat. Can you really call that DLC with a strait face?

WoW is releasing their biggest expansion to date still, yet you guys haven’t even delivered 1/10 of a true expansion PERMANENET content during this whole time.
All you did was change the textures of 2 areas, add in more zerg/poorly balanced/crap content which revolves standing in 1 area and spamming 1 and calling it “DLC”

Come on Anet, I expected more. /Afk till you pull your head out of your kitten.

Zelyhn Lekovitch.2867:

But sure let’s write pages of feedback so at least you have something more organised to ignore!

It worked really well with the fractal CDI, after all.

Sorry, Regina. We’ve heard this before.

And also, changes to dungeons aren’t the most important thing. More dungeons are. This is the biggest problem with all these conversations. You folks at Anet keep thinking you can solve the problem by revisiting old content. Lots of us, at least, don’t think the problem can be solved that way.

I guess you could increase gold rewards on the ones people don’t do. At least maybe we could get more people willing to do more of the paths that way.

I predict an expansion’s worth of communication!

Zelyhn Lekovitch.2867:

I predict an expansion’s worth of communication!

While that’s certainly something to look at in the future, we’re not working on it right now.

Guys, I know we’re all burnt out from disappointment, but the distinct possibility that we could enact real change is something to be carefully examined. As much as I’ve been a negative nancy these past few weeks, this is a GOOD THING. Bring out everything we know. We need to show them the we understand the content and we CAN make it better!!

IvanTheGrey.2941:

Guys, I know we’re all burnt out from disappointment, but the distinct possibility that we could enact real change is something to be carefully examined. As much as I’ve been a negative nancy these past few weeks, this is a GOOD THING. Bring out everything we know. We need to show them the we understand the content and we CAN make it better!!

People said the same thing for the fractal CDI. Fool me once and all that (except we’re well past twice by now).

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

I’d like to clarify a few points.

The Competitive Team is responsible for all more-advanced content in the game. This includes: PvP, WvW, and profession skill balance/game balance in general. This is a pretty big group of areas of responsibility, as you can see.

Why do you think one team should handle all those areas? I don’t know how big the competitive Team is, but I doubt a team of any reasonable size can cover such a huge area of the game.

As for what we want in existing dungeons? If it’s really that, bugfixes are the most important thing. After two years, the AoE-Indicators are still not precise; this can be seen especially well when fighting Mai Trin. Stand right next to the red circle, you still take damage. A lot of paths still have very nasty bugs, I assume Lilith’s thread has them all listed.

//Just saw that you want bullet points.

Either:

*Add dynamic events to dungeons, however this may be difficult given the design of them (except Arah)
*Events can range from “defend X” to “collect X” to “kill that boss that just randomly spawned”
*Events can be ignored, completion of those however gives a bonuschest with loot, money, tokens and karma

Or, what’s probably better:

*Add daily bonus-objectives to paths/dungeons
*Three per day, an easy one, an intermediate one and a hard/challenging one
*May require a lot of objectives, but also gives you the possibility to toss around a ton of ideas and show players little secrets in dungeons they don’t yet know
*Example objectives may be “Finish the bonus event in Ascalonian Catacombs (the one where you turn off the lights)”, “Kill the Ooze King in Citadel of Flame p1”, “Don’t let Giganticus Lupicus eat any grubs”, “Finish the path without a team member dying completely”, “Finish the path with a kill rate of 75% or higher”
*Bonusrewards would be given out at the end of the path and give tokens, money, karma (and maybe loot), depending on the difficulty of the objective
*This may also give incentive to run paths multiple times a day, given the rewards justify it
*Possibility to also link a new achievement + title to it which requires to complete X special objectives, maybe even three achievements for each difficulty.

One Note Chord.5031:

IvanTheGrey.2941:

Guys, I know we’re all burnt out from disappointment, but the distinct possibility that we could enact real change is something to be carefully examined. As much as I’ve been a negative nancy these past few weeks, this is a GOOD THING. Bring out everything we know. We need to show them the we understand the content and we CAN make it better!!

People said the same thing for the fractal CDI. Fool me once and all that (except we’re well past twice by now).

We got our dredge revamp from the CDI.

Stop. Think. Type.

One Note Chord.5031:

IvanTheGrey.2941:

Guys, I know we’re all burnt out from disappointment, but the distinct possibility that we could enact real change is something to be carefully examined. As much as I’ve been a negative nancy these past few weeks, this is a GOOD THING. Bring out everything we know. We need to show them the we understand the content and we CAN make it better!!

People said the same thing for the fractal CDI. Fool me once and all that (except we’re well past twice by now).

Yep, but the devs are listening.
Or did I hear this somewhere else?

IvanTheGrey.2941:

Guys, I know we’re all burnt out from disappointment, but the distinct possibility that we could enact real change is something to be carefully examined. As much as I’ve been a negative nancy these past few weeks, this is a GOOD THING. Bring out everything we know. We need to show them the we understand the content and we CAN make it better!!

We’ve done this many time in the past but what do we have to show for it?

Guys please. Reel in your angry kittens. Lets put effort into what they are asking for and then see if it does anything.

Too little too late. And it shows that you guys havent really listened to us in the past. We dont want dungeon reworks. We want new content. No amount of reworks will fix the fact these dungeons have become 2 years old and stale. Also when you rework stuff you tend to take stuff away aswell. Still upset about TAFU being removed.

Fractal reward updates and a brand new dungeon (mordrem themed?) are what I would like to see. But that looks unlikely and im certainly not going to sit around waiting for it anymore.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Guys please. Reel in your angry kittens. Lets put effort into what they are asking for and then see if it does anything.

Yes. Sheath your swords. Let’s put in real effort. It seems that they’re actually going to listen to the regulars this time, instead of some PHIW kazul who wants crafting in fractals. We can do this!

Lilith Ajit.6173:

One Note Chord.5031:

IvanTheGrey.2941:

Guys, I know we’re all burnt out from disappointment, but the distinct possibility that we could enact real change is something to be carefully examined. As much as I’ve been a negative nancy these past few weeks, this is a GOOD THING. Bring out everything we know. We need to show them the we understand the content and we CAN make it better!!

People said the same thing for the fractal CDI. Fool me once and all that (except we’re well past twice by now).

We got our dredge revamp from the CDI.

Stop. Think. Type.

Yes, we did. And, iirc, an increased ascended box drop rate and a little gold. …Yay?

I guess in the grand scheme of things, that’s about as much as any of the CDIs have resulted in. But that was a ton of wasted energy from a ton of players writing about rings and skins and other crap rewards. Why should I think this will be different?

Hiya Regina,

I wrote this out longer, but in respect to your feedback requests I retyped to summarize.

We have gotten 2 good Solo missions with LS from the last 2 updates (Dragons Reach 1/2) Why are they Solo though? Could we possibly get group missions in these spots in the future? I can’t help but think that these could be very fun if the difficulty were set for 5 people, they honestly remind me a bit of Fractals, and with that once they are “old” they coudl even be added to the fractal list possibly.

Overall though, I feel that the content we have is fine. Maybe rewards for fractals and longer dungeon paths could get a boost but other than that it’s all pretty fine by me. What we need is something new. I can’t help but feel that if we even just got one new Lupi’esque fight that many here would be pretty happy.

We need new content, not reworked old content. We know Anet can’t rework things, every time something has been reworked something else has suffered. Give us completely new content with new bosses and LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES.

Oh and please stop loading everything with puzzles/gimmicky minigames, that’s not what a dungeon should primarily be about.

Zelyhn Lekovitch.2867:

One Note Chord.5031:

IvanTheGrey.2941:

Guys, I know we’re all burnt out from disappointment, but the distinct possibility that we could enact real change is something to be carefully examined. As much as I’ve been a negative nancy these past few weeks, this is a GOOD THING. Bring out everything we know. We need to show them the we understand the content and we CAN make it better!!

People said the same thing for the fractal CDI. Fool me once and all that (except we’re well past twice by now).

Yep, but the devs are listening.
Or did I hear this somewhere else?

When 90% of the posts in this sub-forum are passive-aggressive insults, I would not listen to them either.

Even when good feedback is written, it is done in the wrong way because insults are thrown in and feelings are included in the posts instead of rational thought.

Everyone is frustrated about the lack of new dungeons. The only way to get the devs to put more time and work into this section of the game is to not antagonize them at every turn when they think about it.

The Fractal CDI was a massive flop, we know. There was terrible feedback all around, and the end result butchered the drop rates for skins (but you DO in fact get decent drop rates on ascended chests now and while that may not matter to you getting a free ascended piece can save someone ~50g easily in 1 go).

If you want to keep being negative I won’t stop you, but don’t expect a dev to pay attention to what you have to say when you preface your suggestion with sarcasm.

dutchiez.7502:

We need new content, not reworked old content. We know Anet can’t rework things, every time something has been reworked something else has suffered. Give us completely new content with new bosses and LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES.

Oh and please stop loading everything with puzzles/gimmicky minigames, that’s not what a dungeon should primarily be about.

This. You guys are falling for the PR response way too easily.

random small thought but something.

this is also happening in “our” forum.

not General,
Not Living story.

“Ours”
the "zerker leetist toxic (insert other random casual references) forum.

the Dungeon Subforum.
Where some of the smartest, inteligent and most dedicated gamers reside.

Be intelligent.
Be realistic.
and most importantly.
Have fun.

got anything else to do?

Ropechef.6192:

random small thought but something.

this is also happening in “our” forum.

not General,
Not Living story.

“Ours”
the "zerker leetist toxic (insert other random casual references) forum.

the Dungeon Subforum.
Where some of the smartest, inteligent and most dedicated gamers reside.

Be intelligent.
Be realistic.
and most importantly.
Have fun.

got anything else to do?

This.

You know, it’s all fine and dandy that we’re getting a red post and some hope but WHY did it take us having to COUNTLESSLY complain about things in order for this to happen? It shows just out of touch they are with the dungeon community and just how important we are to them. Will I participate in making this better? Sure I will, I’ve spent thousands of hours and plenty of real life money on this game so far, whether I’m happy with the outcome so far or not. I want to see this game become better, it has great potential. Will I have any hopes for the outcome? Nope, no hope at all…I’ve seen what has happened before in this game. I’m just going to make sure that when things don’t happen the way they “should” we, the dungeon community, are not the reason for the failure.

dlonie.6547:

we’re a minority and resources are finite.

Were we always a minority or is this case of misplaced cause and effect? Are we a minority because most people that are interested in dungeons have moved on from GW2 or are we a minority because most people like casual open world content? If the latter, why focus on making new dungeons/changes at all if there’s no general desire and no ability to monetize them?

Ropechef.6192:

random small thought but something.

this is also happening in “our” forum.

not General,
Not Living story.

“Ours”
the "zerker leetist toxic (insert other random casual references) forum.

the Dungeon Subforum.
Where some of the smartest, inteligent and most dedicated gamers reside.

Be intelligent.
Be realistic.
and most importantly.
Have fun.

got anything else to do?

What have you been smoking? Cause I want some

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Guys please. Reel in your angry kittens. Lets put effort into what they are asking for and then see if it does anything.

Lilith, here’s Chris’s summary of the Fractal CDI:

1: Dredge:
Dredge is frustrating and this is compounded by the overall length of the Fractal.
2: Make rewards more accessible and relevant:
- Allow players to spend their unwanted rewards to get rewards they actually need.
- Look at the general drop rate within Fractals.
- Take a look at the delivery of items to ensure they are more useful to individual players.
- Create a global dungeon reward system using a token system for example.
- Think of new rewards that cater more toward to Fractal players in general.
- Think about risk vs reward vs Time with global rewards.
- Do not depreciate the significance of certain rewards like Fractal skins.
- Clearer communication/info i needed around the Fractal Weapon boxes.
3: Re-rolling:
Work on the higher priority issues before tackling this area.
4: Level Reset:
- Do not do a reset moving forward.
5: Challenge:
- More of an emphasis on Instabilities and core game play challenge rather than simply agony moving forward.
- Add new types of challenge rather than reworking existing areas.
- Focus more on additional paths that reward players dependent on the interaction of said path. Note this also includes different strategies of goals achieved in certain encounters.
- Thanks for the tons of ideas for new encounters which the team has read and will impact our design moving forward.
6: Lore:
- Continue to have lore be a pillar of Fractals but ensure it doesn’t get in the way of the flow of the experience. For example, no un-skippable cut scenes.
-Thanks for the tons of ideas for new lore themes and gameplay which the team has read and will impact our design moving forward.
7: Tiers:
- Do a pass on which fractals are included in which tier in regard to risk vs reward vs time.
8: Accessibility:
- Think of ways to make it easier to get player’s into the Fractals, especially friends of existing players, specifically in regard to AR.

They asked, we responded, they delivered. On point 1. So maybe 7 years later they can get to the other 7 points. I’ll come back then.

Reading some of these replies….ugh, we’ve got a lot of issues to work through after letting the resentment build for so long. Hang in, there, Regina. Just let them get it out of their systems.

And add my vote to the “we don’t want fixes, we want new content after two years” camp :-)

To keep things moving forward, are you guys aware of the Cliffside Fractal hammer bug? I’m certain you are. Since that’s a major current issue that has been raised here repeated for a few weeks, some information on that would be a good start for letting us know you’re listening. Doesn’t need to be a promise or an exact time table or anything, but just an acknowledgement and whether it is currently a priority it is for the team would be awesome :-)

I know I’ve been one of the negative ones, so I just want to clarify:

I would be less negative if Regina hadn’t come in with the same “tell us how to fix our current content” message we’ve gotten before. Again, existing dungeons aren’t the problem. The lack of new ones is.

Edit: Oh yeah, except the cliffside hammer bug. Please fix that!

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Guys please. Reel in your angry kittens. Lets put effort into what they are asking for and then see if it does anything.

Lilith, here’s Chris’s summary of the Fractal CDI:

1: Dredge:
Dredge is frustrating and this is compounded by the overall length of the Fractal.
2: Make rewards more accessible and relevant:
- Allow players to spend their unwanted rewards to get rewards they actually need.
- Look at the general drop rate within Fractals.
- Take a look at the delivery of items to ensure they are more useful to individual players.
- Create a global dungeon reward system using a token system for example.
- Think of new rewards that cater more toward to Fractal players in general.
- Think about risk vs reward vs Time with global rewards.
- Do not depreciate the significance of certain rewards like Fractal skins.
- Clearer communication/info i needed around the Fractal Weapon boxes.
3: Re-rolling:
Work on the higher priority issues before tackling this area.
4: Level Reset:
- Do not do a reset moving forward.
5: Challenge:
- More of an emphasis on Instabilities and core game play challenge rather than simply agony moving forward.
- Add new types of challenge rather than reworking existing areas.
- Focus more on additional paths that reward players dependent on the interaction of said path. Note this also includes different strategies of goals achieved in certain encounters.
- Thanks for the tons of ideas for new encounters which the team has read and will impact our design moving forward.
6: Lore:
- Continue to have lore be a pillar of Fractals but ensure it doesn’t get in the way of the flow of the experience. For example, no un-skippable cut scenes.
-Thanks for the tons of ideas for new lore themes and gameplay which the team has read and will impact our design moving forward.
7: Tiers:
- Do a pass on which fractals are included in which tier in regard to risk vs reward vs time.
8: Accessibility:
- Think of ways to make it easier to get player’s into the Fractals, especially friends of existing players, specifically in regard to AR.

They asked, we responded, they delivered. On point 1. So maybe 7 years later they can get to the other 7 points. I’ll come back then.

Oh you forgot they removed 30 levels?
My subsequently perma-banned account remembers

Hunter.4783:

I can’t believe Regina is telling us all to “suck it up” in such a cheerful way; it really makes me /uninstall right now.

You won’t. You never will.

One Note Chord.5031:

And also, it’s not changes to dungeons we want. It’s more dungeons.

Do not presume to speak for me.

Boneheart.3561:

One Note Chord.5031:

And also, it’s not changes to dungeons we want. It’s more dungeons.

Do not presume to speak for me.

Yeah, you’re right, sorry. Edited.

Zelyhn Lekovitch.2867:

Nevets Crimsonwing.5271:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Guys please. Reel in your angry kittens. Lets put effort into what they are asking for and then see if it does anything.

Lilith, here’s Chris’s summary of the Fractal CDI:

1: Dredge:
Dredge is frustrating and this is compounded by the overall length of the Fractal.
2: Make rewards more accessible and relevant:
- Allow players to spend their unwanted rewards to get rewards they actually need.
- Look at the general drop rate within Fractals.
- Take a look at the delivery of items to ensure they are more useful to individual players.
- Create a global dungeon reward system using a token system for example.
- Think of new rewards that cater more toward to Fractal players in general.
- Think about risk vs reward vs Time with global rewards.
- Do not depreciate the significance of certain rewards like Fractal skins.
- Clearer communication/info i needed around the Fractal Weapon boxes.
3: Re-rolling:
Work on the higher priority issues before tackling this area.
4: Level Reset:
- Do not do a reset moving forward.
5: Challenge:
- More of an emphasis on Instabilities and core game play challenge rather than simply agony moving forward.
- Add new types of challenge rather than reworking existing areas.
- Focus more on additional paths that reward players dependent on the interaction of said path. Note this also includes different strategies of goals achieved in certain encounters.
- Thanks for the tons of ideas for new encounters which the team has read and will impact our design moving forward.
6: Lore:
- Continue to have lore be a pillar of Fractals but ensure it doesn’t get in the way of the flow of the experience. For example, no un-skippable cut scenes.
-Thanks for the tons of ideas for new lore themes and gameplay which the team has read and will impact our design moving forward.
7: Tiers:
- Do a pass on which fractals are included in which tier in regard to risk vs reward vs time.
8: Accessibility:
- Think of ways to make it easier to get player’s into the Fractals, especially friends of existing players, specifically in regard to AR.

They asked, we responded, they delivered. On point 1. So maybe 7 years later they can get to the other 7 points. I’ll come back then.

Oh you forgot they removed 30 levels?
My subsequently perma-banned account remembers

I was at 80 too. I lost 50 levels. The Fractals CDI came AFTER the Fractured disaster. Hence point 4 on Chris’s list.

WE_WANT_CONTENT_NOW. NO more equivocation, NO more obfuscation, NO more ambigous interview. Say NOW what did you do in the last half year.
CONTENT OR RIOT!

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

I’d like to clarify a few points.

Their definitive answer toward hard modes was the most disappointing thing to hear.