Guild Wars 2

Rhysati.4932:

The funny thing is that people make accusations of these sorts of nerfs after every major patch. In reality, there is no reason why these sorts of changes would need a patch to take place. They would only have to change a number within the database on the server side of things.

They’d be pretty idiotic to make a big undocumented change to drop values on the same day as a major patch because everyone is going to look for it at that time.

The funny thing is that would be the best time to make an undocumented change, because if someone does notice and it gains traction, it is a bug that we are looking into until people stop asking about it and we just go on our way.

John Smith.4610:

Hey all, just wanted to let you know I’m still working and I’ll keep you updated as soon as I have something to post.

While were on this topic, could you also look into the Mystic Forge rare-to-exotic chances? Ever since the start of the Last Stand of Southsun events I haven’t had success with acquiring exotics this way. This doesn’t bode well since this is one of the few viable ways of getting a precursor.

Mourningcry.9428:

Essence Snow.3194:

Remember the loot bug that increase rares dropping from low level foes? That issue was fixed in a matter of hours. There really does seem to be a pattern emerging throughout the history of this game. If it increases drops…fixed promptly…if it decreases drops….not so much. It’s kinda hard to draw any positive conclusions when the same things happen time and time again. Then ofc it doesn’t help when a rep comes out with a poor choice of words or a statement based on lack of knowledge, thus only hindering credibility further.

Fair enough… however, it may be worth considering that excess supply into the economy is potentially more damaging than deficits and therefore warrants more immediate action.

It’s also theorethically easier to choke off rates and then take the time to correct them to an appropriate level, rather than to preemtively increase rates as an answer to a potential deficit issue which leads to the excess supply problem.

Just saying that there are circumstances which do warrant consideration in various cases.

As an example, imagine if ectos salvages yeilded 3 ectos per salvage 100% of the time. Doesn’t take an economist to realizes the ramification of allowing that situation to persist for an extended time would be more detremental than what is currently being experienced.

That I can understand. I wish if it were/is the case they would simply come out and say that instead of playing secrecy games that we all know breed discontent. It seems that the consideration of effect is rather one sided.

Nobody from us did big enough sample to prove that something happened with ecto drop rate. My personal results are now around 50% at best, were 80-90% before. But what imo proves that something is wrong is market : http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/19721

Price of ectos steadily groves since patch while supply ofrares is same, something is wrong.

You’ve gotta laugh at all the people who are proclaiming that there is absolutely no change in rates simply because there have been many boys crying wolf in the past on this topic.

Yes, people can mistakenly extrapolate results from small sample sizes and make unfounded assertions. And yes, many have done so in the past. That doesn’t mean that every similar claim ever made on the topic will be false.

Look at the evidence before deciding that this is just another imagined wolf. There have been a lot of good posts on this thread that strongly suggest something has changed.

And I’m a skeptic, see my signature.

Time is money… That is true. And people shouldn’t have to pay more irl money for a game they’ve already bought. Globs were my only solid income when I needed gold. You shouldn’t have to “work” when you get inside a game you want to escape the real life with. But that’s just me. ^^

Mourningcry.9428:

Fair enough… however, it may be worth considering that excess supply into the economy is potentially more damaging than deficits and therefore warrants more immediate action.

Damaging to whom? The answer to that is the crux of this matter.

Skribulous.3521:

John Smith.4610:

Hey all, just wanted to let you know I’m still working and I’ll keep you updated as soon as I have something to post.

While were on this topic, could you also look into the Mystic Forge rare-to-exotic chances? Ever since the start of the Last Stand of Southsun events I haven’t had success with acquiring exotics this way. This doesn’t bode well since this is one of the few viable ways of getting a precursor.

I haven’t either, I threw in 2 dozen rare GS’s last night and didn’t get 1 exotic back, also I have been going back to salvaging my blue and white heavies and weapons for mats and have noticed that almost every time I only get 1 piece of mithril or 1 piece of elder wood, where I use to usually get 2-3, could this whole thing be an RNG problem???

Rama.6439:

Skribulous.3521:

John Smith.4610:

Hey all, just wanted to let you know I’m still working and I’ll keep you updated as soon as I have something to post.

While were on this topic, could you also look into the Mystic Forge rare-to-exotic chances? Ever since the start of the Last Stand of Southsun events I haven’t had success with acquiring exotics this way. This doesn’t bode well since this is one of the few viable ways of getting a precursor.

I haven’t either, I threw in 2 dozen rare GS’s last night and didn’t get 1 exotic back, also I have been going back to salvaging my blue and white heavies and weapons for mats and have noticed that almost every time I only get 1 piece of mithril or 1 piece of elder wood, where I use to usually get 2-3, could this whole thing be an RNG problem???

Start a new thread about this. This is ecto department.

Rama.6439:

Skribulous.3521:

John Smith.4610:

Hey all, just wanted to let you know I’m still working and I’ll keep you updated as soon as I have something to post.

While were on this topic, could you also look into the Mystic Forge rare-to-exotic chances? Ever since the start of the Last Stand of Southsun events I haven’t had success with acquiring exotics this way. This doesn’t bode well since this is one of the few viable ways of getting a precursor.

I haven’t either, I threw in 2 dozen rare GS’s last night and didn’t get 1 exotic back, also I have been going back to salvaging my blue and white heavies and weapons for mats and have noticed that almost every time I only get 1 piece of mithril or 1 piece of elder wood, where I use to usually get 2-3, could this whole thing be an RNG problem???

It would be rather easy for them to test that. They could have the rng program run a scatter plot diagram. Since they should have tested the same rng program in the past prior to implementing it, it would not be difficult at all to rerun it to test.

Pedra.4381:

Mourningcry.9428:

Fair enough… however, it may be worth considering that excess supply into the economy is potentially more damaging than deficits and therefore warrants more immediate action.

Damaging to whom? The answer to that is the crux of this matter.

Perhaps I wasn’t clear, but ultimately more damaging to the players.

Maybe I’m reading too much into your post, but are you suggesting excess supply, like the example I gave at the end of the post you quoted, would be a good thing for players? Care to elaborate on that if so?

Mourningcry.9428:

Perhaps I wasn’t clear, but ultimately more damaging to the players.

Maybe I’m reading too much into your post, but are you suggesting excess supply, like the example I gave at the end of the post you quoted, would be a good thing for players? Care to elaborate on that if so?

I’m suggesting that excess supply would be more damaging to the company’s “business model” (less conducive to channeling players towards the store to purchase gems) and because of that those sorts of issues get the immediate attention of said company.

Thanks for the update and the candor, John.

Thanks for that assurance, John.

Based on the research posited it does look like there may have been a reduction in the ecto salvage chance for Master kits, while anecdotally I haven’t found the chance from Black Lion kits to have been altered.

John Smith.4610:

Hello all, I’m on the case still, but want to make a quick statement. If there is any change to ecto salvaging it is not intentional.
I promise you that if we change anything involving ectos, there will be public information on it.
Some may be skeptical if they haven’t interacted with me before, and that’s ok, but as long as I’m working with the economy, information on ecto changes will be public, end of story.

Thanks for this John! Keep up the good work <3

TY!
that sounds the most promising thing I heard from you guys.

John Smith.4610:

Hello all, I’m on the case still, but want to make a quick statement. If there is any change to ecto salvaging it is not intentional.
I promise you that if we change anything involving ectos, there will be public information on it.
Some may be skeptical if they haven’t interacted with me before, and that’s ok, but as long as I’m working with the economy, information on ecto changes will be public, end of story.

Thanks for the update. I’m actually getting mixed returns from people i’ve been surveying. It’s obviously a difference in materials salvaged moreso than the kits themselves it seems. Some are saying they are getting what they consider normal returns while others are stating more of what we see in this thread. I wish i could have gotten those people to nail down what they salvaged exactly, but is it possible that only certain types of rare equipment would give worse returns than others? The only thing i can actually confirm are of those surveyed, they were salvaging 75+ or better gear and that they were from world event drops or random loot drops, not crafted or purchased off the TP in bulk.

Erasculio.2914:

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

I did not get even one single Ecto.

Oh go ahead, nerf the game some more.

Yes, ArenaNet has just nerfed ecto drop rate.

Just like this time.

And this time.

And here, too.

And that other time.

And of course here.

People should read this. Those complaints about having nerfed the salvage rate of ectos is proof that the GW2 community is not reliable when it’s a matter of talking about drop rates.

Fine, investigate it yourself. Go buy 25, 50, 100 level 68-80 RARE armor/weapon/trinkets (except back items), grab some MASTER salvage kits and tell us what you are getting.

This goes to all the naysayers as well. It’s so easy to dismiss this as standard nerf paranoia but you can easily test it yourself for under 5-7 gold per 25 items. You should be able to get 60-70% of that back by selling off the parts (well at least with armor).

I hope you find what’s wrong John. For me it’s not just a matter of the ectos I’ve had no exotics drop since January, only the guaranteed rares drop, other rares are 1 every 3 months and usually from some off the wall creature in a pre level 30 zone (never ever from champions or world bosses).

All of the bags I’ve opened from karma in Orr and from Laurels haven produces nothing but greys and karma bottles and not even the good bottles at that.

There’s definitely something wrong with the drop rate overall. I also salvaged and when I did I noticed almost all of the salvages came up with nothing but resources (no globs).

John Smith.4610:

Hello everyone, I’ll look into this and get back to you.

John Smith.4610:

Just a quick update, I want to be thorough, so it will be a couple more hours before I have anything to say.

John Smith.4610:

Hey all, just wanted to let you know I’m still working and I’ll keep you updated as soon as I have something to post.

John Smith.4610:

Hello all, I’m on the case still, but want to make a quick statement. If there is any change to ecto salvaging it is not intentional.
I promise you that if we change anything involving ectos, there will be public information on it.
Some may be skeptical if they haven’t interacted with me before, and that’s ok, but as long as I’m working with the economy, information on ecto changes will be public, end of story.

This is how a good developer interacts with the community. John may not have all the answers, and it might take him some time figure out what’s wrong and how to fix it, but the constant updating goes a long way towards fostering good will with the community. I work in a field service industry where I often end up troubleshooting difficult issues with customers’ equipment, and I can tell you there is a massive difference in satisfaction level when I keep up communication throughout the diagnostic and repair process compared to when I just keep them in the dark until it’s fixed. Jon Peters and Robert Hrouda, please take note here. Thank you John.

munkiman.3068:

Thanks for the update. I’m actually getting mixed returns from people i’ve been surveying. It’s obviously a difference in materials salvaged moreso than the kits themselves it seems. Some are saying they are getting what they consider normal returns while others are stating more of what we see in this thread. I wish i could have gotten those people to nail down what they salvaged exactly, but is it possible that only certain types of rare equipment would give worse returns than others? The only thing i can actually confirm are of those surveyed, they were salvaging 75+ or better gear and that they were from world event drops or random loot drops, not crafted or purchased off the TP in bulk.

If you throw out all that garbage anecdata and study the actual hard evidence being provided in numerical and video format from this thread, the situation is pretty clear, I think.

It seems inconsistent that we would one day get X result and the next get another. I’ve done hundreds, probably thousands of salvages, and you really get to know the “feel” for what to expect. RNG is always there of course, but anyone who has salvaged 800 rares back to back knows you don’t see 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 consecutively for 40 rares using a BLSK. And yet the next day (for me) I was getting 1,2,3,0,3,2 etc. This is clearly weird. But I still notice a problem with master kits, and again it seems that not everyone may be having this issue. But to be honest i think that makes it worse. You don’t want to think you are the guy with bad luck, or not know either way. I’d rather think everyone is experiencing this, that would be more comforting. Unfortunately I did spend a decent amount of gems on doing that test and video, just to show that it seems to not be happening ALL the time.

Which is kind of annoying because I didn’t want to spend $35 on proving to others that my previous day experience wasn’t replicated. I don’t regret it entirely I guess, but I wish this wasn’t a hidden problem with random people and was a blanket thing. At least then we could all wait in anticipation of a fix or response. But instead we wait and wonder if we should salvage because no one knows what is really going on 100%. I’m sorry I couldn’t of actually been more help in this thread and posted videos like I always do, and that I haven’t had the gold/cash to replicate the master kits too. I must say the bugs lately are even taking their toll on me, the website, the game… I just really hope more can be done to prevent and detect these things in the future.

Thankfully we have John Smith who is in the right place and clearly knows how to deal with people and problems. For a guy with such a generic name he sure is pretty cool :P

There have been 2 patches since the initial patch, could just be some odd anomaly that got into the build? If rates are fine after this last patch, that would seem to make some sort of sense.

John Smith.4610:

Hello all, I’m on the case still, but want to make a quick statement. If there is any change to ecto salvaging it is not intentional.
I promise you that if we change anything involving ectos, there will be public information on it.
Some may be skeptical if they haven’t interacted with me before, and that’s ok, but as long as I’m working with the economy, information on ecto changes will be public, end of story.

Gees this person must be old school.. actually coming to the forums to update us on what hes doing and laying out a perfectly good statement and … almost a promise of doing things right and proper… this person deserves a healthy pay review and their own company coffee machine c/w bean counter… Nice one Mr. Smith… the name is Neo btw

Glad to know it’s not just me with this problem. My ecto salvage rates have become terrible. I don’t get them nearly as often as I used to.

Thanks for looking into it.

Rajani Isa.6294:

Torpian.9142:

I’m relatively new to the game and I might be wrong in saying this, but a friend of mine said she received more ecto by wearing lots of magic find gear and being in Southsun with the magic find bonus on her when she salvaged her gear. She was getting around 13 ecto for every 10 items she salvaged. Have you tried that?

Magic Find affects corpse-dropped-loot ONLY, and only at the time of death. Chests, Salvage, etc are not affected by MF.

Lol. Amazing what people do.

After burning out my BLK kits from earlier months of the game I started using master kits. Was fine for awhile but lately its been so painful I’ve just been selling the rares on the tp and buying what ecto I need.

I will say this, mathematically BLK should be ~1 ecto per rare and masters ~.5 ecto per rare. So I’m not really offended if it was changed.

John Smith.4610:

Hello all, I’m on the case still, but want to make a quick statement. If there is any change to ecto salvaging it is not intentional.
I promise you that if we change anything involving ectos, there will be public information on it.
Some may be skeptical if they haven’t interacted with me before, and that’s ok, but as long as I’m working with the economy, information on ecto changes will be public, end of story.

Thank you!

shimmerless.4560:

WaxWorm.8574:

Vol.5241:

Paponzi.1637:

After every single patch… this discussion…

There are plenty of things guaranteed on this forum

-Ecto nerf speculation after a patch
-Threads asking ‘y u no release patch notes beforehand?’ on patch day
-Threads complaining about ‘patch time not appropriate for their time zone’ on patch day
-‘RNG/gambling is bad’ threads

Not to forget:

- people with absolutely no statistically relevant data to prove their assumptions telling other people to provide sample sizes >1000

Seriously… why should I spend even more gold on salvaging rares, when it is already obvious, that there has been a significant negative change? Why don’t you salvage some 100 rares yourself to prove your assumption that there hasn’t been a change?

I’m not being mean but 100 isn’t even close to a statistically valid sample (~1000 is a bare minimum, and 2000+ is ideal). RNG really can just be that bad sometimes, especially since it’s not ‘truly’ random and discrepancies can creep in due to the server clock.

While the overall possibility of a change can’t be completely ruled out, it wouldn’t make any sense for it to be directly linked to a jump in TP prices. Luxury goods like ectos don’t move fast enough for the hike to be caused by a supply run. It’s either hoarding or a bank panic (or both).

But you did notice, that I was talking about “some 100”? And you did notice that at that point, we already had a cumulated sample size of more than 1000 with all the reported data here all pointing towards a reduced ratio of ~0.5? And you did notice that since then the data just got more and more?

You have got absolutely no idea how many tens of thousands of ectos there were being “produced” by salvaging, being sold on the TP and being used by crafting on a normal day. But right now, as long as most people are still salvaging, the “production” is nearly halved through the reduced ratio. And people can’t be salvaging much more rares than before since there hasn’t been a 100% increase of the rare drop rate, right?

And everyone who noticed the reduction by themselves and/or took notice of this thread pretty surely has stopped salvaging. And those are mostly the ones, that were salvaging thousands of rares per day before that, because they’re the ones noticing it first. And they are the ones, who’d lose the most gold when continuing to salvage.

So the supply is reduced even more. Maybe to a third of the supply before the patch. And there is no good reason, why the demand should be much lower, so of course this is a very good explanation for a rising price of ectos.

What many people here, including you, seem to ignore, is the fact that we don’t use the rising ecto price as an argument for a reduced ratio. The collected salvaging data is enough of an argument to say that most probably there has been a reduction.

As someone who regularly converts COF tokens to ectos… I did notice this reduced rate too after the patch on the 28th. Normally, 1000 COF tokens yields ~30 ectos. After the patch, I only got ~15. I asked a friend to test this with me and he too got around 15 ectos. We both used Master Salvage kits and tested this with about 4k COF tokens. Neither of us got 0-1 ectos per salvage and seemed to have obtained 50% less ectos pre-patch.

Wonder if they’ll compensate people if they go with the “it’s a bug and not intended” route.

Rooks Zaer.5846:

Wonder if they’ll compensate people if they go with the “it’s a bug and not intended” route.

Probably not, but we can always dream ^^ Sure would be nice getting $35 in gems back or the equivalent in BLSK’s lol

Darx.9842:

sinofmercy.7019:

I figured I’d add in more statistics too. Before the patch, my friends/guildmates documented (via excel) 1455 exotic items salvaged, all with black lion kits. The results looked like this:
26.46% 3 ectos,
37.93% 2 ectos,
13.6% 1 ecto,
21.99% 0 ectos.
Yes I know this isn’t the largest sample size, but I’m just sharing the results.

After the patch, we had a much larger decrease. This is with the same parameters as above, except only with 98 exotics (exotics are expensive for the sake of math/science):
0% with 3 ectos,
26.37% with 2 ectos,
24.17% with 1 ecto,
and a whopping 49.45% with 0 ectos.

Once again, low sample size post patch, but the sudden staggering rate of 0% of 3’s from exotics, coupled with an almost 50% 0 ectos rate with a BLK are hard to ignore. Using the percent of 3 ectoplasms per exotics before the patch in our data, the chances of getting 0 in 91 is 1.2591762e-12, which is one trillionth of a chance (assuming no change as stated, and that my math isn’t off). Once again I know this isn’t the largest data sample, but the overall numbers are still disheartening.

Well that data is pretty convincing.

I’d advice anyone else not to salvage their rares and wait until a fix. Because this is definitively a bug. There’s seriously no arguing against it.

My data only applies to exotics, but n=1455 before patch and n=98 after patch and the results produced is a decent amount of data to at least see the ratios have changed unintentionally.

I was not a believer at first, and my own test showed that not much if anything was wrong, but I gotta say that the length of time John is looking into it indicates that something seems, at least at first glance, wrong to him.

Bloodstealer.5978:

John Smith.4610:

Hello all, I’m on the case still, but want to make a quick statement. If there is any change to ecto salvaging it is not intentional.
I promise you that if we change anything involving ectos, there will be public information on it.
Some may be skeptical if they haven’t interacted with me before, and that’s ok, but as long as I’m working with the economy, information on ecto changes will be public, end of story.

Gees this person must be old school.. actually coming to the forums to update us on what hes doing and laying out a perfectly good statement and … almost a promise of doing things right and proper… this person deserves a healthy pay review and their own company coffee machine c/w bean counter… Nice one Mr. Smith… the name is Neo btw

Wish all Devs were nice like this and they posted all the changes they make on the patch notes, did fractals a little bit ago and there’s changes in there, nothing in the patch notes on it.

Thank you very much Mr. Smith hope you keep up the good work, like I said before, I give you guys hell cause I like this game, would do it if I didn’t.

Mourningcry.9428:

Sovta.4719:

Mourningcry.9428:

Sovta.4719:

Palador.2170:

Sovta.4719:

John Smith.4610:

Hey all, just wanted to let you know I’m still working and I’ll keep you updated as soon as I have something to post.

Working on lie? Cause how hard is it to check loot tables? This is FotM stalth loot nerf story all over again.

Checking loot tables is easy. Checking everything that might possibly interact with them is not.

Just checking the loot tables would be like taking your car in because it’s been a bit sluggish when you step on the gas, and the mechanic thinking it’s all in your head because the “Check Engine” light isn’t on.

Well back when unidentified dyes were dropping like rain,fix and response were very quick, and loot still sucks in 38+ FotM, so defend them more please.

I dunno… How about because not all potential issues are as obvious as others? And perhaps not all solutions are equally easy to fix?

It’s not so much a question of defending Anet, but rather responding to baseless, illogical gibberish.

Baseless, illogical gibberish? Are you blind seriously?

Perhaps I am… why don’t you enlighten us on how you came to the conclusion that the current situation is at all representative of the dye and FotM issues you relate it to. Please, go ahead.

OK, fotm loot is heavy nerfed at 30+ and arenanet refuse to admit and EVERY single player i ask on 40+ runs says the same (someone said they apologised 1-2 months after nerf, not sure about this)
And for dyes they were droping like 10 an hour (at least for me) and this was fix after 3-4 days, loot nerf in fotm after 2-3 months still not fixed. Do you get it now or i need to draw it for you?

Mystic.5934:

I was not a believer at first, and my own test showed that not much if anything was wrong, but I gotta say that the length of time John is looking into it indicates that something seems, at least at first glance, wrong to him.

What were your test results?

John Smith.4610:

Some may be skeptical if they haven’t interacted with me before, and that’s ok, but as long as I’m working with the economy, information on ecto changes will be public, end of story.

Hmmm, I wonder if he’s still working with the economy???

Rooks Zaer.5846:

Wonder if they’ll compensate people if they go with the “it’s a bug and not intended” route.

I don’t think they will and I don’t think they should, because:

- everyone’s affected by the current developement in one way or another.

- there’s no guaranteed percentage for ectos salvaged in the item description of salvage kits (i.e. we’re playing lottery and we should know it)

- as far as we currently know, the salvage kits that can be bought for gems/money aren’t affected by it (which I can say from my own experience, as I’ve had 3 ectos drop from rares using a BLSK today).

shimmerless.4560:

I’m not being mean but 100 isn’t even close to a statistically valid sample (~1000 is a bare minimum, and 2000+ is ideal). RNG really can just be that bad sometimes, especially since it’s not ‘truly’ random and discrepancies can creep in due to the server clock.

While the overall possibility of a change can’t be completely ruled out, it wouldn’t make any sense for it to be directly linked to a jump in TP prices. Luxury goods like ectos don’t move fast enough for the hike to be caused by a supply run. It’s either hoarding or a bank panic (or both).

Please explain, using confidence intervals and levels, why 100 salvages isn’t a valid sample size to determine probability of ecto returns. Show the math, please.

Broadicea.8294:

shimmerless.4560:

I’m not being mean but 100 isn’t even close to a statistically valid sample (~1000 is a bare minimum, and 2000+ is ideal). RNG really can just be that bad sometimes, especially since it’s not ‘truly’ random and discrepancies can creep in due to the server clock.

While the overall possibility of a change can’t be completely ruled out, it wouldn’t make any sense for it to be directly linked to a jump in TP prices. Luxury goods like ectos don’t move fast enough for the hike to be caused by a supply run. It’s either hoarding or a bank panic (or both).

Please explain, using confidence intervals and levels, why 100 salvages isn’t a valid sample size to determine probability of ecto returns. Show the math, please.

Pretty much this. Without doing the math, I’m willing to bet you could conclude there is some statistically significant difference in ecto salvage yield per item (with alpha being 0.05, for the sake of defining one) with a sample of just 20 or so. This is because we can use the fact that each salvage is an independent and identically distributed event to take advantage of one of the most powerful concepts in inferential statistics: the Central Limit Theorem.

Samples of a couple of thousand are often used to make estimates of things like national-level opinions, but in these cases there are a ton of variables to deal with, making a large sample necessary to minimize sampling error—ensuring that your sample is indeed a representative of the population. Here, though, each rare is exactly the same as all the others (for the purposes of salvaging ectos), meaning there aren’t any other variables to control for in the population—making relatively small samples illustrative of any change (especially if the change is a large one, like how we have observed).

Sovta.4719:

Mourningcry.9428:

Sovta.4719:

Mourningcry.9428:

Sovta.4719:

Palador.2170:

Sovta.4719:

John Smith.4610:

Hey all, just wanted to let you know I’m still working and I’ll keep you updated as soon as I have something to post.

Working on lie? Cause how hard is it to check loot tables? This is FotM stalth loot nerf story all over again.

Checking loot tables is easy. Checking everything that might possibly interact with them is not.

Just checking the loot tables would be like taking your car in because it’s been a bit sluggish when you step on the gas, and the mechanic thinking it’s all in your head because the “Check Engine” light isn’t on.

Well back when unidentified dyes were dropping like rain,fix and response were very quick, and loot still sucks in 38+ FotM, so defend them more please.

I dunno… How about because not all potential issues are as obvious as others? And perhaps not all solutions are equally easy to fix?

It’s not so much a question of defending Anet, but rather responding to baseless, illogical gibberish.

Baseless, illogical gibberish? Are you blind seriously?

Perhaps I am… why don’t you enlighten us on how you came to the conclusion that the current situation is at all representative of the dye and FotM issues you relate it to. Please, go ahead.

OK, fotm loot is heavy nerfed at 30+ and arenanet refuse to admit and EVERY single player i ask on 40+ runs says the same (someone said they apologised 1-2 months after nerf, not sure about this)
And for dyes they were droping like 10 an hour (at least for me) and this was fix after 3-4 days, loot nerf in fotm after 2-3 months still not fixed. Do you get it now or i need to draw it for you?

Because it’s all economy and player related, when they hide stuff from us, they lose credibility, they lose trust that we place in them to tell us the truth, when this happens we also start to lose that feeling of family with the company that runs the game, no relationship without trust, no relationship, no players.

Mystic.5934:

I was not a believer at first

and then I saw her face
now I’m a believer
not a trace
of doubt in my mind

Rama.6439:

Sovta.4719:

Mourningcry.9428:

Sovta.4719:

Mourningcry.9428:

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Palador.2170:

Sovta.4719:

John Smith.4610:

Hey all, just wanted to let you know I’m still working and I’ll keep you updated as soon as I have something to post.

Working on lie? Cause how hard is it to check loot tables? This is FotM stalth loot nerf story all over again.

Checking loot tables is easy. Checking everything that might possibly interact with them is not.

Just checking the loot tables would be like taking your car in because it’s been a bit sluggish when you step on the gas, and the mechanic thinking it’s all in your head because the “Check Engine” light isn’t on.

Well back when unidentified dyes were dropping like rain,fix and response were very quick, and loot still sucks in 38+ FotM, so defend them more please.

I dunno… How about because not all potential issues are as obvious as others? And perhaps not all solutions are equally easy to fix?

It’s not so much a question of defending Anet, but rather responding to baseless, illogical gibberish.

Baseless, illogical gibberish? Are you blind seriously?

Perhaps I am… why don’t you enlighten us on how you came to the conclusion that the current situation is at all representative of the dye and FotM issues you relate it to. Please, go ahead.

OK, fotm loot is heavy nerfed at 30+ and arenanet refuse to admit and EVERY single player i ask on 40+ runs says the same (someone said they apologised 1-2 months after nerf, not sure about this)
And for dyes they were droping like 10 an hour (at least for me) and this was fix after 3-4 days, loot nerf in fotm after 2-3 months still not fixed. Do you get it now or i need to draw it for you?

Because it’s all economy and player related, when they hide stuff from us, they lose credibility, they lose trust that we place in them to tell us the truth, when this happens we also start to lose that feeling of family with the company that runs the game, no relationship without trust, no relationship, no players.

They lost trust back in November.

Just wanted to put all the recorded events of this salvage rate happening in one post.
big and small as they are ALL relevant.
These are all copied from posts in this forum

http://youtu.be/yOECzw1Ac28

If there are any more recorded events of this sorry if i missed your post. let me know and ill edit

Again these are all from unique accounts that posted previously on this thread.

I’m getting the normal rate of ectos / no ectos when salvaging, but I actually never got more than one ecto per salvage today.

Don’t know if I’m even adding anything, but since the last patch, I haven’t been able to get more than 1 Ecto out of a single rare even using Black Lion kits.

Doomknight.7923:

Just wanted to put all the recorded events of this salvage rate happening in one post.
big and small as they are ALL relevant.
These are all copied from posts in this forum

http://youtu.be/8OFdMQHT91k

http://youtu.be/gZmhdis5Rh8

http://youtu.be/1pbn_U6CUFw

http://youtu.be/yOECzw1Ac28

If there are any more recorded events of this sorry if i missed your post. let me know and ill edit

Again these are all from unique accounts that posted previously on this thread.

For the love of kittens everywhere people.. Please paste the share links not the empty space html ones..

Dumb Woob.9415:

Pretty much this. Without doing the math, I’m willing to bet you could conclude there is some statistically significant difference in ecto salvage yield per item (with alpha being 0.05, for the sake of defining one) with a sample of just 20 or so. This is because we can use the fact that each salvage is an independent and identically distributed event to take advantage of one of the most powerful concepts in inferential statistics: the Central Limit Theorem.

Samples of a couple of thousand are often used to make estimates of things like national-level opinions, but in these cases there are a ton of variables to deal with, making a large sample necessary to minimize sampling error—ensuring that your sample is indeed a representative of the population. Here, though, each rare is exactly the same as all the others (for the purposes of salvaging ectos), meaning there aren’t any other variables to control for in the population—making relatively small samples illustrative of any change (especially if the change is a large one, like how we have observed).

Yup, exactly.

For anyone wanting to learn more about the cool stats stuff described by Dumb Womb and Geotherma, I’d suggest this as a nice starting point: https://www.khanacademy.org/math/probability

If this is bugged then I’m really going to rage because I wasted BLKs which I actually paid real money for. But let’s see.

Eh… nope. Not cool.