Guild Wars 2

Ayrilana.1396:

Therodin.2970:

Of course i don’t report them because i do not think they are doing anything wrong.

Anet stated advertising home instance access is against the LFG rules. Just because people choose not to report it for whatever reason, or feel that it isn’t, doesn’t change this.

That has nothing to do with what i initially asked you, i asked if a rule is still a rule if it is not enforced. My proof of it not being enforced was seeing these people advertising home instances every day. For instance, it is against the rules to jaywalk but i do not believe i have ever seen someone stopped by a cop because of it.

Therodin.2970:

Ayrilana.1396:

Therodin.2970:

Of course i don’t report them because i do not think they are doing anything wrong.

Anet stated advertising home instance access is against the LFG rules. Just because people choose not to report it for whatever reason, or feel that it isn’t, doesn’t change this.

That has nothing to do with what i initially asked you, i asked if a rule is still a rule if it is not enforced. My proof of it not being enforced was seeing these people advertising home instances every day. For instance, it is against the rules to jaywalk but i do not believe i have ever seen someone stopped by a cop because of it.

How can ANet act on things that aren’t reported?

How do you know they aren’t getting punished for it?

Therodin.2970:

Ayrilana.1396:

Therodin.2970:

Of course i don’t report them because i do not think they are doing anything wrong.

Anet stated advertising home instance access is against the LFG rules. Just because people choose not to report it for whatever reason, or feel that it isn’t, doesn’t change this.

That has nothing to do with what i initially asked you, i asked if a rule is still a rule if it is not enforced. My proof of it not being enforced was seeing these people advertising home instances every day. For instance, it is against the rules to jaywalk but i do not believe i have ever seen someone stopped by a cop because of it.

Enforcement primarily relies on the players to report it. Nobody reporting it doesn’t mean that it’s not against the rules.

Agreed with Seera and Ayrilana. Because it is a lesser known rule, people are less likely to report it. And like I said before, such a small infraction isn’t likely to be punished unless it is very frequent and involves other infractions.

It’s also possible for a player to be punished without realising it. A-net have mentioned before that minor infractions may not be punished for, but the account will have a “mark” put on it.

So this could be problematic for players who get involved with other more serious infractions. If you have a “clean” account and offend, you might get a warning or a short suspension. If you have plenty of previous (unpunished and perhaps similar) infractions, you might be more heavily punished e.g. a longer suspension or ban.

Saying “People aren’t being punished for it, so it’s not a rule” is crazy. That gives people the idea that it’s fine to do it and they will never run in to problems regarding it. However, it’s quite common for “crackdowns” to happen, especially if the enforcers are busy focusing on other matters. Players who have been reported for breaking the rules might not get punished immediately, either.

So my point is, it’s better to be safe than sorry.

There was a guy who mailed me in-game after seeing this thread, saying that he was still going to break the rules and use LFG to advertise his completed home instance. I thought his story was a good one which most people could relate to. Hats off to him for being a completionist- it wasn’t cheap for him to get all of the nodes he spend thousands of gold and gems on it. However, as a similarly avid player, I would never want to risk losing all of that work and money spent by breaking the LFG rules. There are other “legal” ways to advertise your home instance, and then you won’t have to worry about losing your account and your work.

I don’t get the point of using LFG to advertise your home instance. The only people that care about it are going to be in the city looking to complete a gathering daily. Just use Map chat and advertise to the people who actually may be interested in the service.

Before someone says “but what about people in other instances of the same city?” I’m sure there’s someone with a full home in their instance, too. They don’t need to use yours specifically.

At any rate, maybe I don’t use LFG often enough. I’ve never seen anything advertised for sale there other than Arah paths and Fractals.

On a side note, I wish ANet would add a “Looking for Guild” channel that people can turn on and off. The recruiting spam is getting intolerable.

Why selling Dungeon paths is allowed but selling Home instance dont? I dont get it its same thing. I want Anet to reconsider this.

What is the point of this Sticky when its pretty clear that ANET don’t even police their own policy making… the LFG is still constantly full of portals to jump puzzles, home instances, guild recruitment.. and today its rife since F2P went live with all manner of desperado guilds abusing it.

No matter how many reports are sent in, the same players / guilds are abusing it daily ,… might as well get used to it I say.

Are you reporting them? Are you keeping track of them as in you have a list?

Of course.. I have even taken the time to whisper a few just in case they didn’t realise… but well its just the same outcome as with players that continually lay out verbal abuse to players cos they don’t wanna do as they say or play the way that he/she wants… same players, reported often, to no avail… nothing new.

As I said I guess its something we are going to have to get used to seeing.

Bloodstealer.5978:

Of course.. I have even taken the time to whisper a few just in case they didn’t realise… but well its just the same outcome as with players that continually lay out verbal abuse to players cos they don’t wanna do as they say or play the way that he/she wants… same players, reported often, to no avail… nothing new.

As I said I guess its something we are going to have to get used to seeing.

I suggest writing down their account names, the time of the LFG post, and what it said. Then email it to Anet. They do not have the time to monitor each and every post on there so they rely on us to report those that go against the rules. If you see the same exact people on there then it’s likely because nobody is reporting them or they just shrugged off whatever punishment they received. It may also appear that it’s the same people but it could not be.

Bloodstealer.5978:

Of course.. I have even taken the time to whisper a few just in case they didn’t realise… but well its just the same outcome as with players that continually lay out verbal abuse to players cos they don’t wanna do as they say or play the way that he/she wants… same players, reported often, to no avail… nothing new.

As I said I guess its something we are going to have to get used to seeing.

And how do you know that they aren’t being punished?

Seera.5916:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Of course.. I have even taken the time to whisper a few just in case they didn’t realise… but well its just the same outcome as with players that continually lay out verbal abuse to players cos they don’t wanna do as they say or play the way that he/she wants… same players, reported often, to no avail… nothing new.

As I said I guess its something we are going to have to get used to seeing.

And how do you know that they aren’t being punished?

Oh c’mon.. some of us have been round the block many times… when you add players to lists, and continually see them doing the same thng time and again over long periods of time.. like certain players in PvP lobby who purposely go out of their way every day to abuse others in chat in order to get their fun fix, or the “LEET” puzzle portal sellers who advertise every single day often for long periods during each day.
The only thing that seems to have reduced of late is the selling of items via the LFG… I wonder why

In the end its all well and good saying don’t do this and don’t do that… but until proper actions are taken against those players it will be looked at as nothing more than empty words.

Bloodstealer.5978:

Seera.5916:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Of course.. I have even taken the time to whisper a few just in case they didn’t realise… but well its just the same outcome as with players that continually lay out verbal abuse to players cos they don’t wanna do as they say or play the way that he/she wants… same players, reported often, to no avail… nothing new.

As I said I guess its something we are going to have to get used to seeing.

And how do you know that they aren’t being punished?

Oh c’mon.. some of us have been round the block many times… when you add players to lists, and continually see them doing the same thng time and again over long periods of time.. like certain players in PvP lobby who purposely go out of their way every day to abuse others in chat in order to get their fun fix, or the “LEET” puzzle portal sellers who advertise every single day often for long periods during each day.
The only thing that seems to have reduced of late is the selling of items via the LFG… I wonder why

In the end its all well and good saying don’t do this and don’t do that… but until proper actions are taken against those players it will be looked at as nothing more than empty words.

So you check your blocked list every day? And watch the LFG all day looking to see if any on your blocked list make an inappropriate LFG?

What if they only got a 3 day suspension? If you don’t check every day, you may not realize that they were punished.

Are you wanting permanent or long term bans for every infraction, even someone’s first infraction? Let’s face it, while seeing guild adverts in the LFG is annoying, is it really worth a long suspension or a permanent ban?

Hello guys good day!, im currently selling a spot in Season 2 living story achievements to players who wants their achievements to be done, so far i have helped people with a certain price with it, so here comes a guy who ask for the price, after the guy ask for it he told me that he is going to report me because i was abusing “LFG tool” and then he said i should help legit players who ask help, when it clearly states that in LFG i am “Selling a spot for living story achievements” he then said he would report me and tell the whole community what i am and what do i look like because i should be helping players, i mean i dont mind helping people if i wasnt “selling the spot” he demanded me to do so, and so i told him who are you to demand from other players to help you? everyone bought the game and we are all equally treated by anet to as we so as long as we abide the rules and policy of the game and it also clearly states that Our gm gail posted that.

Our policy: Players may use the LFG Tool only for the formation of a group.
Players may use the tool to sell a spot in a group, but they may not use it to sell or trade items or for any other unintended purposes. Doing so will result in an account infraction.
You can help us reduce the spam and refocus the tool by reporting individuals who are misusing the LFG Tool. Simply click on the name of that player in your chat window, right click, choose “Report,” and then choose “LFG System Abuse.” With your help we’ll be able to keep the LFG Tool clear for your use in forming groups.

so guys help me enlighten myself or that guy if what im doing is wrong or not, which clearly states above that statement that i am not violating any policy.

any comments or so? ill be posting the screenshots soon.

Sorry for the bad edit, the middle one is the first and the 2nd 1 is in the left and the last one is in the left.

Pretty clear to me. I personally wouldn’t run this service but I don’t see a problem with the service you are providing. The guy obviously doesn’t like people who sell spots, but what you’re doing is not wrong in any way.

Please hide his name from the pics.

Mushuchalaka.9437:

Pretty clear to me. I personally wouldn’t run this service but I don’t see a problem with the service you are providing. The guy obviously doesn’t like people who sell spots, but what you’re doing is not wrong in any way.

thank you i respect your answer and decision but i would like a clear answer from other people, anyways any chance you know what ds community is?

and earlier he ask if the price would be lesser but then after a certain conversations he disagree he said he would report me

Lehtomaki.8705:

Please hide his name from the pics.

My bad i forgot to edit it

Selling spots is perfectly fine, for group content. This is the same as selling dungeon spots which A-net does not support (i.e. they won’t help you much if you get kittened over), but do allow it- it isn’t against any rules.

Advertising the selling of “access portals” (home instances, possibly mesmer portals) along with advertising items is certainly not allowed.

Just another unfortunate case of somebody being angry and misinformed. I don’t particularly like the idea of dungeon/instance/achi selling, but I appreciate its use and necessity for some players.

Of course, offering your help for free is the most altruistic thing to do, but some people wouldn’t be able to offer it at all if they didn’t get a basic “income” from it as there are plenty more lucrative things to do in game. If people aren’t happy with your price it’s not like they’re being force to pay it or run it with you- they’re more than welcome to shop around the few people who still offer it, or just do it themselves. The fact that you offer these things are great- so many people will benefit from it in the long-term, and like I said, if you wanted money I’m sure there are better paying things you could do. (i.e. your action is still very helpful, thoughtful and altruistic).

Feel free to report such people for verbal abuse if it gets out of hand, but personally I would’ve just blocked the guy considering he wouldn’t have listened no matter what you say because you are “the bad guy” to him.

@OP
I have seen this a lot – people join your group while you selling an instance just to talk mad kitten on you. Best thing you can do – just ignore them

By talking to him you are just provoking him to further actions (trolling, griefing, instance hijacking etc.)

According to current policy, as you have already mentioned, instance selling is OK and you can use LFG tool to do so.

Crimson Clouds.4853:

Selling spots is perfectly fine, for group content. This is the same as selling dungeon spots which A-net does not support (i.e. they won’t help you much if you get kittened over), but do allow it- it isn’t against any rules.

Advertising the selling of “access portals” (home instances, possibly mesmer portals) along with advertising items is certainly not allowed.

Just another unfortunate case of somebody being angry and misinformed. I don’t particularly like the idea of dungeon/instance/achi selling, but I appreciate its use and necessity for some players.

Of course, offering your help for free is the most altruistic thing to do, but some people wouldn’t be able to offer it at all if they didn’t get a basic “income” from it as there are plenty more lucrative things to do in game. If people aren’t happy with your price it’s not like they’re being force to pay it or run it with you- they’re more than welcome to shop around the few people who still offer it, or just do it themselves. The fact that you offer these things are great- so many people will benefit from it in the long-term, and like I said, if you wanted money I’m sure there are better paying things you could do. (i.e. your action is still very helpful, thoughtful and altruistic).

Feel free to report such people for verbal abuse if it gets out of hand, but personally I would’ve just blocked the guy considering he wouldn’t have listened no matter what you say because you are “the bad guy” to him.

thank you crimson, youre answer is much greatly appreciated! really help and enlightened me alot!

Skady.5916:

@OP
I have seen this a lot – people join your group while you selling an instance just to talk mad kitten on you. Best thing you can do – just ignore them

By talking to him you are just provoking him to further actions (trolling, griefing, instance hijacking etc.)

According to current policy, as you have already mentioned, instance selling is OK and you can use LFG tool to do so.

thank you for you comments! really helped alot

I stopped reading this post and taking him seriously (and you should too) when he said “i’m going to tell the whole community what you did and what you look like.” Just…. lol

Crimson Clouds.4853:

Advertising the selling of “access portals” (home instances, possibly mesmer portals) along with advertising items is certainly not allowed.

This makes no sense to me. Why home instance portals? The price for entry would inherently be equal or less than TP equivalent items… Otherwise no one would logically pay…
Am I missing something?

Sparks The Rescue.5043:

I stopped reading this post and taking him seriously (and you should too) when he said “i’m going to tell the whole community what you did and what you look like.” Just…. lol

You do realize it was the other guy who said that right… he threatened to tell the whole community that the OP was selling runs.

To the OP, there is nothing wrong with what you are doing. Just block that guy and move on.

Selling group spots to turn your skill at an instance in to gold is fine and has a long history going all the way back to GW1. Anet knows it is going on, and is cool with it, but doesn’t officially support it (so if you get kicked by someone you were buying a group spot from you’re not getting your gold back, even though the scammer might get infracted/banned.)

This guy is just upset because he expects a free ride and probably can’t do the achievement himself.

Quiznos.4296:

Crimson Clouds.4853:

Advertising the selling of “access portals” (home instances, possibly mesmer portals) along with advertising items is certainly not allowed.

This makes no sense to me. Why home instance portals? The price for entry would inherently be equal or less than TP equivalent items… Otherwise no one would logically pay…
Am I missing something?

Anet don’t want people to sell the gathering of nodes in the home instance. My bet is because the stuff in your home instance is mostly stuff that you can buy on the Gem Store.

Personally I think selling spots kills the spirit of the game. But I don’t blame the op or anyone else for doing it. The practice of using the official LFG tool for advertising should have been stomped out by Anet ages ago, but it wasn’t, and thus has been legitimised. When I was a new player to the game, I almost quit the game when I saw this thinking what kind of game allows it players to use its LFG UI to sell spots for doing dungeons to new players.

It’s not forbidden, just like selling dungeon spots.

That being said, I might be interested in this myself. What is your price?

I consider the practice bad, personally, but that’s an opinion. The fact is that it’s not against any rules and that guy was a jerk.

a moocher proclaiming mooching is a natural right and that able individuals have to be exploited by the unable. Just like those people act in real life and politics. Nothing new here, at least you are more protected from it in game than in reality.

AngelExtreme: The questions are:

1. Is what you are doing officially allowed by ANet? Yes
2. Is the service morally objectionable? Well for some the answer is obviously yes, but this opinion is highly individually dependent. The way I look at it, you are spending your time to help someone, that time has a value, so it would not be out of the question for you to charge for your service.
3. Would Yalora charge for such a thing? I was going to say No, since I tend to offer my services in a pay it forward mentality, but hey, that’s just me. Your mileage may vary. In an effort to not be a total hypocrite, yes I did used to charge to Ferry in Kamadan, so no grounds to talk here.

You will always have someone who wants to impose their negative opinion as lucid fact no matter how much they ignore the evidence in front of them. This is a battle you can not win in their eyes, my friend. If you are not doing anything wrong, /block and move on.

The way around all of this is to offer anything for free. Rely on the good graces of people to be charitable and thankful by giving you a tip afterwards, of whatever they feel is appropriate. Don’t beg for money.

Yeah it’s fine to ask for a fee for an accomplishment (if you are good at something never do it for free), but it creates such a grey area in the rules it leads to problems like this.

If you don’t set a price and just ask for tips people will surprise you. someone may give you nothing (your good deed for the day) and someone may dump 50g on you (their good deed). No one can complain if everyone is responsible for their own actions.

Although I feel it’s a slimy way to make gold and a negative towards community, you’re allowed to at this point. When I felt salty, I’m usually the one who would start running “free” ads right below these types, which, is also allowed.

DS community: Dungeon Selling community

OP:
What everyone else said. Its not illegal, and is perfectly ok to do. However, some have moral reservations about such things. I personally don’t, I’m just too cheap to pay someone for something that I can do myself :P

In the end, just ignore the haters. Don’t respond, don’t do anything. Just block and move on. If they get nasty about it, report and forget. You’ll live longer.

Thaddeus.4891:

Quiznos.4296:

Crimson Clouds.4853:

Advertising the selling of “access portals” (home instances, possibly mesmer portals) along with advertising items is certainly not allowed.

This makes no sense to me. Why home instance portals? The price for entry would inherently be equal or less than TP equivalent items… Otherwise no one would logically pay…
Am I missing something?

Anet don’t want people to sell the gathering of nodes in the home instance. My bet is because the stuff in your home instance is mostly stuff that you can buy on the Gem Store.

Shrugs I’m just saying what I’ve read Gaile Grey write. I appreciate and respect her enough to pass the information on as accurately as I can and also uphold the rule.

Yes, other people have a problem with this rule. I also think it’s a bit strange considering you can sell dungeon spots/other spots (where you also get rewarded for just clicking a few times), but this isn’t allowed. People have been hotly debating it, but so far nothing has budged either way.

Here are the reasons why I think it’s not allowed:
-The amount of spam in LFG it creates. I’ve seen 6+ at once at one point. Sure, there are other things that also contribute to a lot of spam (e.g. DT/SW/TT/Teq taxis) but at least those are doing content together.

-It is the equivalent of selling a random assortment of trade-able items through the LFG… which is certainly not allowed (and good to hear it).

-I think Quizons made a really good point- considering a lot of nodes are gemstore bought, they want these customers to also buy their nodes rather than weasel their way around it.

Moreover, it gives players with a lot of real life money quite a marked advantage over people who don’t. If you splash out with real money just once, you can buy a bunch of the nodes pretty easily from the TP. As an example, If you have a full home instance and make 4*20s each run, and each run takes maybe 5 minutes (from first advertising to people leaving)… well, 80s in 5 minutes is very good and very easy money. Rinse and repeat and these guys would probably be minted. A-net don’t want players using LFG as my guess is it’s slightly more efficient than map chat, but also hurts A-net that they have something that people are exploiting so much.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

It’s not forbidden, just like selling dungeon spots.

That being said, I might be interested in this myself. What is your price?

LOL? are you really buying? hahaha

Yalora Istairiea.6287:

AngelExtreme: The questions are:

1. Is what you are doing officially allowed by ANet? Yes
2. Is the service morally objectionable? Well for some the answer is obviously yes, but this opinion is highly individually dependent. The way I look at it, you are spending your time to help someone, that time has a value, so it would not be out of the question for you to charge for your service.
3. Would Yalora charge for such a thing? I was going to say No, since I tend to offer my services in a pay it forward mentality, but hey, that’s just me. Your mileage may vary. In an effort to not be a total hypocrite, yes I did used to charge to Ferry in Kamadan, so no grounds to talk here.

You will always have someone who wants to impose their negative opinion as lucid fact no matter how much they ignore the evidence in front of them. This is a battle you can not win in their eyes, my friend. If you are not doing anything wrong, /block and move on.

thank for those comments, it helped alot!

The only opinion that matters in such cases in ANet’s. If someone thinks you are misusing the LFG took, they should /report you and move on; there’s no value in discussing it (let alone debating it), since the end result will be the same.

IMO, the policy is unclear: ANet has stated it’s only to be used for forming groups, and yet:

1. ANet has stated that forming groups to sell the end of a dungeon path is OK.
2. ANet has stated that forming groups to sell access to a home path or a JP is not OK.

I have trouble understanding why (1) is ok, but (2) is not.

However, I think it’s unlikely that anyone who violates the policy once is going to get permanently kicked from the game — it’s more likely that they’ll get warned (and at worst, be suspended for a few days).

AngelExtreme.4872:

Hello guys good day!, im currently selling a spot in Season 2 living story achievements to players who wants their achievements to be done, so far i have helped people with a certain price with it, so here comes a guy who ask for the price, after the guy ask for it he told me that he is going to report me because i was abusing “LFG tool” and then he said i should help legit players who ask help, when it clearly states that in LFG i am “Selling a spot for living story achievements” he then said he would report me and tell the whole community what i am and what do i look like because i should be helping players, i mean i dont mind helping people if i wasnt “selling the spot” he demanded me to do so, and so i told him who are you to demand from other players to help you? everyone bought the game and we are all equally treated by anet to as we so as long as we abide the rules and policy of the game and it also clearly states that Our gm gail posted that.

Our policy: Players may use the LFG Tool only for the formation of a group.
Players may use the tool to sell a spot in a group, but they may not use it to sell or trade items or for any other unintended purposes. Doing so will result in an account infraction.
You can help us reduce the spam and refocus the tool by reporting individuals who are misusing the LFG Tool. Simply click on the name of that player in your chat window, right click, choose “Report,” and then choose “LFG System Abuse.” With your help we’ll be able to keep the LFG Tool clear for your use in forming groups.

so guys help me enlighten myself or that guy if what im doing is wrong or not, which clearly states above that statement that i am not violating any policy.

any comments or so? ill be posting the screenshots soon.

in all honesty, it should be illegal. theres no way in game to guarantee that once you make him pay you, youll still do it for him. theres no escrow service that releases funds for tasks completed, so the potential for scams is pretty high, hence, it should be illegal.

I wonder if these people go around heckling landscapers, roofers, and other service oriented jobs about how evil and morally wrong it is for them to be charging for their time and services… or is it just selling your time online that is wrong? you guys must reaaaalllly hate craigslist.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

I wonder if these people go around heckling landscapers, roofers, and other service oriented jobs about how evil and morally wrong it is for them to be charging for their time and services… or is it just selling your time online that is wrong? you guys must reaaaalllly hate craigslist.

How dare you bring logic into the argument!!!!! :P

Apparently, IMO, those who think that people should be giving away their time and talents tend to have a more “altruistic” view of the world. In that everyone should always help each other out, and do things for each other and not expected to be compensated. The act of doing something for someone should be the reward in and of itself.

I myself agree with that TO AN EXTENT. Should people help others out, without an expectation of compensation? Sure. However, there is a time and a place for that. One can’t reasonably devote ones entire time to doing things for free, otherwise how will they live?
I also believe that “The worker is worthy of his wages.” Meaning that there should be compensation for services rendered, regardless of what services those are.

In this case, the one offering services (i.e. achievement/dungeon sellers) are doing people are service and should be compensated. They are allowing someone to get the rewards of whatever content without having to work for it. (read: offering a service).
They have every right to charge whatever amount they feel is appropriate.
However, if someone is struggling to do say a jumping puzzle, and asks for assistance, the one providing assistance has a moral obligation to NOT charge. (It’s like stopping at the side of the road to help someone change a tire, then charging them for it.)

So, offering to provide a service to allow someone to gain something without effort and asking for recompense, is appropriate. Helping someone to achieve something they they are unable/struggling to do themselves and asking for money is inappropriate.

CrassBippy.4619:

AngelExtreme.4872:

Hello guys good day!, im currently selling a spot in Season 2 living story achievements to players who wants their achievements to be done, so far i have helped people with a certain price with it, so here comes a guy who ask for the price, after the guy ask for it he told me that he is going to report me because i was abusing “LFG tool” and then he said i should help legit players who ask help, when it clearly states that in LFG i am “Selling a spot for living story achievements” he then said he would report me and tell the whole community what i am and what do i look like because i should be helping players, i mean i dont mind helping people if i wasnt “selling the spot” he demanded me to do so, and so i told him who are you to demand from other players to help you? everyone bought the game and we are all equally treated by anet to as we so as long as we abide the rules and policy of the game and it also clearly states that Our gm gail posted that.

Our policy: Players may use the LFG Tool only for the formation of a group.
Players may use the tool to sell a spot in a group, but they may not use it to sell or trade items or for any other unintended purposes. Doing so will result in an account infraction.
You can help us reduce the spam and refocus the tool by reporting individuals who are misusing the LFG Tool. Simply click on the name of that player in your chat window, right click, choose “Report,” and then choose “LFG System Abuse.” With your help we’ll be able to keep the LFG Tool clear for your use in forming groups.

so guys help me enlighten myself or that guy if what im doing is wrong or not, which clearly states above that statement that i am not violating any policy.

any comments or so? ill be posting the screenshots soon.

in all honesty, it should be illegal. theres no way in game to guarantee that once you make him pay you, youll still do it for him. theres no escrow service that releases funds for tasks completed, so the potential for scams is pretty high, hence, it should be illegal.

in case of scam, and you have evidence, you can report him and he can be banned. Although, you dont get your gold back. But it’s a bannable offense.

Since there’s already an enforcing rule for scamming, selling spot shouldn’t be illegal.

AngelExtreme.4872:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

It’s not forbidden, just like selling dungeon spots.

That being said, I might be interested in this myself. What is your price?

LOL? are you really buying? hahaha

nvm found some nice guides and a friend willing to help me out.

pdavis.8031:

So, offering to provide a service to allow someone to gain something without effort and asking for recompense, is appropriate. Helping someone to achieve something they they are unable/struggling to do themselves and asking for money is inappropriate.

That seems like a reasonable rule of thumb. (Although I don’t see that there’s any way to “enforce” such a policy — buyer (and seller) beware.)

Look at it this way Angel, by showing people what you are doing, he is effectively giving you free advertising. You just might get a lot more business!

People who want what you are offering and are willing to pay, will pay. those who don’t want to pay, won’t get your service.

There’s nothing he can do to shut you down so don’t worry about it.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

pdavis.8031:

So, offering to provide a service to allow someone to gain something without effort and asking for recompense, is appropriate. Helping someone to achieve something they they are unable/struggling to do themselves and asking for money is inappropriate.

That seems like a reasonable rule of thumb. (Although I don’t see that there’s any way to “enforce” such a policy — buyer (and seller) beware.)

I don’t think they can enforce it. It comes down to human decency.

CrassBippy.4619:

AngelExtreme.4872:

Hello guys good day!, im currently selling a spot in Season 2 living story achievements to players who wants their achievements to be done, so far i have helped people with a certain price with it, so here comes a guy who ask for the price, after the guy ask for it he told me that he is going to report me because i was abusing “LFG tool” and then he said i should help legit players who ask help, when it clearly states that in LFG i am “Selling a spot for living story achievements” he then said he would report me and tell the whole community what i am and what do i look like because i should be helping players, i mean i dont mind helping people if i wasnt “selling the spot” he demanded me to do so, and so i told him who are you to demand from other players to help you? everyone bought the game and we are all equally treated by anet to as we so as long as we abide the rules and policy of the game and it also clearly states that Our gm gail posted that.

Our policy: Players may use the LFG Tool only for the formation of a group.
Players may use the tool to sell a spot in a group, but they may not use it to sell or trade items or for any other unintended purposes. Doing so will result in an account infraction.
You can help us reduce the spam and refocus the tool by reporting individuals who are misusing the LFG Tool. Simply click on the name of that player in your chat window, right click, choose “Report,” and then choose “LFG System Abuse.” With your help we’ll be able to keep the LFG Tool clear for your use in forming groups.

so guys help me enlighten myself or that guy if what im doing is wrong or not, which clearly states above that statement that i am not violating any policy.

any comments or so? ill be posting the screenshots soon.

in all honesty, it should be illegal. theres no way in game to guarantee that once you make him pay you, youll still do it for him. theres no escrow service that releases funds for tasks completed, so the potential for scams is pretty high, hence, it should be illegal.

Seriously i got 38 customers and none so far have been scammed and i have done legit service for them, they even keep mailing and whispering me to do more for them _