Guild Wars 2

Fenrir.3609:

Vayne.8563:

Reloading.3260:

Seems even Anet conceded that people weren’t going back to farm orr when southsun finished.

Or Anet doesn’t want everyone farming Orr, which is why they seem to keep giving people reasons to leave it.

ANET may indeed not want people to be “farming” in Orr (and that seems pretty obvious given the current situation), which is let’s face it, fair enough. But it was as clear as day (to some of us at least), that given the situation we happened to be in, something had to be done to change it. Which is why they have had to step in in order to prevent the prices from continuing to rise, as well as to bring up the fact that there are going to be wholesale loot changes.

The notion some had that people would just go back and farm Orr after Southsun and everything would be hunky dory without any changes, or others just spouting “economics 101, supply and demand dude!” was clearly completely and utterly wrong.

If ANET want to reduce “hardcore” farming or at least not make it so that zones (like Orr) are simply farm fests. Then good on them, so long as they bring in (non RNG/gem based) methods of getting hold of the items needed so that prices are at least relatively stable and supply is not totally ruined. The ecto salvage change and the talk of up and coming changes is a positive thing.

We don’t know if it was clearly and utterly wrong, because Anet pre-empted us finding out. Sorry to disillusion you but once a pathway to the future is entered the precludes other pathways, no one could possibly predict what would have happened.

You can believe what you want, but it’s a moot point. Anet made other arrangements.

Vayne.8563:

We don’t know if it was clearly and utterly wrong, because Anet pre-empted us finding out. Sorry to disillusion you but once a pathway to the future is entered the precludes other pathways, no one could possibly predict what would have happened.

You can believe what you want, but it’s a moot point. Anet made other arrangements.

We know it is clearly and utterly wrong because having a modicum of common sense combined with more than five minutes experience of what was/is going on in Orr would point to it being so.

ANET stepping in to actually alter the situation reinforces the viewpoint that “oh it will be fine” was a load of kitten.

Fenrir.3609:

Vayne.8563:

We don’t know if it was clearly and utterly wrong, because Anet pre-empted us finding out. Sorry to disillusion you but once a pathway to the future is entered the precludes other pathways, no one could possibly predict what would have happened.

You can believe what you want, but it’s a moot point. Anet made other arrangements.

We know it is clearly and utterly wrong because having a modicum of common sense combined with more than five minutes experience of what was/is going on in Orr would point to it being so.

ANET stepping in to actually alter the situation reinforces the viewpoint that “oh it will be fine” was a load of kitten.

What Anet did or didn’t do to rectify the situation doesn’t change the fact that people if they saw the price going up WOULD farm it. Somehow, somewhere, they’d find a way to farm it.

Some guy found you could get them off earth elementals and posted about it. We don’t know what would have happened, and only the most closed-minded person would assume that we do.

You have no crystal ball, you’re not a seer, you shouldn’t be embarrassed to admit you don’t know.

Vayne.8563:

What Anet did or didn’t do to rectify the situation doesn’t change the fact that people if they saw the price going up WOULD farm it. Somehow, somewhere, they’d find a way to farm it.

Some guy found you could get them off earth elementals and posted about it. We don’t know what would have happened, and only the most closed-minded person would assume that we do.

You have no crystal ball, you’re not a seer, you shouldn’t be embarrassed to admit you don’t know.

You don’t need to be a seer or own a magic ball to see the patently obvious.

On one hand we have people pointing out the clear issues that the system had, increasing price and ANET themselves making alterations (i’m relatively confident they are privy to the information that it can drop from elementals..). On the other hand we have “someone, somewhere, somehow would have found a way, it would be alright honest!”. Yeah okay then.

Fenrir.3609:

The ecto salvage change and the talk of up and coming changes is a positive thing.

Sorry, but I see nothing positive in either the so called ‘fix’ (that didn’t address the root causes of the problem) nor the talk of future changes.

Given Anet’s track record, particularly with respect to Orr, what makes you think future changes will be positive for the player base? To me. it is more likely things will get worse, apart from the TP traders and flippers who always seem to come out on top.

Furthermore any talk of future loot revamp only adds fuel to speculation and rumor, and we know what effect that has on the economy. And now this will drag over the next 3 months, lovely.

Between this and the so-called ‘balance patch’ due later this month, June 2013 could become as infamous as Nov 2012 for this game ..

bri.2359:

Fenrir.3609:

The ecto salvage change and the talk of up and coming changes is a positive thing.

Sorry, but I see nothing positive in either the so called ‘fix’ (that didn’t address the root causes of the problem) nor the talk of future changes.

Given Anet’s track record, particularly with respect to Orr, what makes you think future changes will be positive for the player base? To me. it is more likely things will get worse, apart from the TP traders and flippers who always seem to come out on top.

Furthermore any talk of future loot revamp only adds fuel to speculation and rumor, and we know what effect that has on the economy. And now this will drag over the next 3 months, lovely.

Between this and the so-called ‘balance patch’ due later this month, June 2013 could become as infamous as Nov 2012 for this game ..

I’m taking the fact that at least they know changes need to be made/are working on changes as the positive thing. Whether they work out for the better or not is another matter. I’d rather give them the benefit of the doubt at the moment though and at least wait and see what these changes are going to be.

I think the changes are made because anet read this thread.
least we know they read the forum, and willing to make a changes because of it.
stay positive and hope for the best. =)

morrolan.9608:

Vayne.8563:

This thread, and the other thread about it, probably did more to spike the price of T6 dust than the farming nerf did. Just saying.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the OP had a couple of stacks of T6 dust and posted this just to manipulate the market. I’m not say that did happen, but it’s certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.

And you lambast others for their criticism of anet…….

Anet puts themselves in that position, this whole thing started cause they got nerf happy in Orr, prices wouldn’t have gotten that bad if they hadn’t had done that to begin with, and I’m glad they finally did something good.
And Southsun Cove has a source for T6 blood, scales, and poison sacs, but as far as T6 totems, claws, fangs, and ancient bones, if Anet don’t do something about the nerfs soon they will be going the way of the DUST soon also.

Rama.6439:

And Southsun Cove has a source for T6 blood, scales, and poison sacs, but as far as T6 totems, claws, fangs, and ancient bones, if Anet don’t do something about the nerfs soon they will be going the way of the DUST soon also.

I sold fangs for 20-22s before the Souuthsun event started. After that they went down to 11-12s .. so i think they also must drop there. Bones and claws however went up .. and when i tried to farm the Icebrood in Frostgorge i had the feeling they were also nerfed, because actually maybe 1 of 10 mobs does drop anything at all.

I also still think they should give dust to the droptable from high-level Ice-Elementals, since i saw level 40+ Ice-Elementals drop T3 dust.

Fenrir.3609:

Vayne.8563:

What Anet did or didn’t do to rectify the situation doesn’t change the fact that people if they saw the price going up WOULD farm it. Somehow, somewhere, they’d find a way to farm it.

Some guy found you could get them off earth elementals and posted about it. We don’t know what would have happened, and only the most closed-minded person would assume that we do.

You have no crystal ball, you’re not a seer, you shouldn’t be embarrassed to admit you don’t know.

You don’t need to be a seer or own a magic ball to see the patently obvious.

On one hand we have people pointing out the clear issues that the system had, increasing price and ANET themselves making alterations (i’m relatively confident they are privy to the information that it can drop from elementals..). On the other hand we have “someone, somewhere, somehow would have found a way, it would be alright honest!”. Yeah okay then.

Wow, my opinion is better than your opinion because I say so. lmao

Good deal there. You don’t know and you can’t admit you don’t know…and that’s okay.

It’s one easy way for me to judge every future comment you make.

Vayne.8563:

Wow, my opinion is better than your opinion because I say so. lmao

Good deal there. You don’t know and you can’t admit you don’t know…and that’s okay.

It’s one easy way for me to judge every future comment you make.

What? For someone who often drones on about his debating credentials, I expected a little more than that.

People have put out plenty of salient, well thought out reasons as to exactly why the argument that “it would be all okay after Southsun honest guys” is a bad case to bring forward. Those arguments where backed up by evidence in the actual game itself which also pointed to such a case being wrong.

Then we have ANET making alterations to the system, the company with all the data and with the control is making alterations which back up the fact that “leaving it alone and it will all be cool” is simply put, wrong.

The evidence and the actions of the developer running the kittening game point to the notion that “it will all be alright soon if left alone” was a bit of a joke of an argument to make frankly.

The argument that “it was all fine, everything would be hunky dory after Southsun” has effectively been buried. But let’s not admit that right, let’s try and still convince everyone that it all would have been okay, there was no issue at all, no siree! I mean, no one has a crystal ball so who know. It’s not like you can go on what was actually occurring, what steps the developers have subsequently taken and use your noggin to apply some common sense is it!

So here you are, gibbering on about needing a crystal ball, calling people closed minded and proclaiming it being only a case of “my opinion is better than yours!!!”. Fantastic.

Fenrir.3609:

Vayne.8563:

Wow, my opinion is better than your opinion because I say so. lmao

Good deal there. You don’t know and you can’t admit you don’t know…and that’s okay.

It’s one easy way for me to judge every future comment you make.

What? For someone who often drones on about his debating credentials, I expected a little more than that.

People have put out plenty of salient, well thought out reasons as to exactly why the argument that “it would be all okay after Southsun honest guys” is a bad case to bring forward. Those arguments where backed up by evidence in the actual game itself which also pointed to such a case being wrong.

Then we have ANET making alterations to the system, the company with all the data and with the control is making alterations which back up the fact that “leaving it alone and it will all be cool” is simply put, wrong.

The evidence and the actions of the developer running the kittening game point to the notion that “it will all be alright soon if left alone” was a bit of a joke of an argument to make frankly.

The argument that “it was all fine, everything would be hunky dory after Southsun” has effectively been buried. But let’s not admit that right, let’s try and still convince everyone that it all would have been okay, there was no issue at all, no siree! I mean, no one has a crystal ball so who know. It’s not like you can go on what was actually occurring, what steps the developers have subsequently taken and use your noggin to apply some common sense is it!

So here you are, gibbering on about needing a crystal ball, calling people closed minded and proclaiming it being only a case of “my opinion is better than yours!!!”. Fantastic.

It would have been “better” after Southsun, but Arenanet decided that instead of just waiting it out and allowing content to further exacerbate the situation they would step in. For a few reasons:

The community was in an uproar over it
It was hurting the economy
There will always be new content to take away from Orr
They do not want us to HAVE to farm, and therefore decided this is the best course of action at this time

There are further fixes in the future to help farmers like myself and others, as well as to make things more profitable without needing to exploit or control things like some others do. Running an MMO isn’t easy, it is its own government, own world, economy, it shares the struggles and triumphs of real world as well. You can go around lambasting everyone because of conspiracy theories or just general hate at arenanet is simply childish. Had they left it alone, between the events the dust would have settled around 25-30s imo. But because they stepped in (which was a bold and dangerous move) we simply won’t know. So any argument to the contrary is just assumption in either case. I think it best we move on and continue feedback on the current system and future systems rather than attack each other over what we believe was really going to happen. Just enjoy the game, go bash some dragons, try and let this silly war go. Because I’m sure all of us have something better to fight for, fight over, than something this petty and virtual.

KotCR.6024:

It’s only really Charged Lodestones that are too pricey at the moment and too difficult to acquire that really needs to be address IMO, especially considering some exotic weapons (that’s exotic, not legendary!) need 250 or even 350 of them, but I certainly wouldn’t be against other ways to acquire the other lodestones too without hurting their market value too much.

Also, kudos on the dust change. It was a great idea.
Ectos have been a little too low in value for a while (they seemed fairer when their price was stable at 30s~ than they did at 18s~), so this is a solid way to bring their value back up to roughly what it should be.
Likewise, Dust price has been climbing way too much since the thoughtless changes Anet made to the mobs that dropped them. First changing the mobs that you are supposed to farm for Dust drop charts to drop the Loot Bags usually instead, which only had a chance at dust among many other materials, removing any dedicated place to farm Crystalline Dust outside of red-team WvW, despite the fact all the other T6 mats had specific drop locations you could farm them. And then further changes to Orr without regard for Dust that made the mobs harder to kill, and the events less rewarding, reducing the supply even more.
As a result I had been anticipating the price of dust would rocket out of control for a long while, and it seems I was right (too bad I didn’t invest early cus I don’t care much for playing the market heh). This salvage change to Ectos is a nice well needed change that helps address the issues they created with Dust well.

I just hope now Anet have learned from there mistakes with dust supply and will think through changes like the ones we saw to Orr over the monthes more in the future before implimentation next time.

Thanks again!

They are expensive because they are largely driven by demand. And they are easy to acquire. There are several places to get them, from COE, to the sparks around Lyssa, Dwayna, and north of Caer.

Fenrir.3609:

Vayne.8563:

Wow, my opinion is better than your opinion because I say so. lmao

Good deal there. You don’t know and you can’t admit you don’t know…and that’s okay.

It’s one easy way for me to judge every future comment you make.

What? For someone who often drones on about his debating credentials, I expected a little more than that.

People have put out plenty of salient, well thought out reasons as to exactly why the argument that “it would be all okay after Southsun honest guys” is a bad case to bring forward. Those arguments where backed up by evidence in the actual game itself which also pointed to such a case being wrong.

Then we have ANET making alterations to the system, the company with all the data and with the control is making alterations which back up the fact that “leaving it alone and it will all be cool” is simply put, wrong.

The evidence and the actions of the developer running the kittening game point to the notion that “it will all be alright soon if left alone” was a bit of a joke of an argument to make frankly.

The argument that “it was all fine, everything would be hunky dory after Southsun” has effectively been buried. But let’s not admit that right, let’s try and still convince everyone that it all would have been okay, there was no issue at all, no siree! I mean, no one has a crystal ball so who know. It’s not like you can go on what was actually occurring, what steps the developers have subsequently taken and use your noggin to apply some common sense is it!

So here you are, gibbering on about needing a crystal ball, calling people closed minded and proclaiming it being only a case of “my opinion is better than yours!!!”. Fantastic.

I’m saying and it’s a FACT, no one CAN know what was going to happen. We have lots of theories. You assume because Anet fixed it that my theory was wrong.

Yes, a lot of educated people said one thing and a lot of educated people said another thing. You CHOSE which side of the debate you wanted to believe, and you dismissed everything else.

Anet made a change and we’ll never know if it would have gone back down, because the change was made.

Saying you know, when you can’t know is a flaw. Saying you believe is another thing entirely.

Educated people have not all agreed on this topic.

Reloading.3260:

Give it up Vayne, this is going down as badly for you as the salvage bug.

You should relook at that thread. I never once said there was no salvaging bug. And this isn’t going to down badly for me.

There are two people here. One is saying I know exactly what would have happened and one is saying no one knows exactly what would have happened.

I’ll let everyone decide which approach is more reasonable. Those who don’t like what I’ve had to say will always want to prove me wrong…but it doesn’t make me wrong.

This thread is too long to read entirely but I wanted to add my opinion anyway.

I dont like this new change with salvaging ectos. I understand the need for a change for dust, and maybe also for ectos. But making one turn into the other is a lame solution in my eyes.

I would prefer they look for economy fixers that actually add content to the game. In this instance that would have been more sources of dropped T6 dust in different areas of the game. Like ghost sailors in an underwater wreck near a tropical island (hmm how to tie that into the story?).

And if they want an ectos fix then add more interesting recipes that use them up (although I’m not sure ectos needed a fix, their price dropping from 35 to 18 isnt automatically bad).

That’s my .02c

Fenrir.3609:

Vayne.8563:

What Anet did or didn’t do to rectify the situation doesn’t change the fact that people if they saw the price going up WOULD farm it. Somehow, somewhere, they’d find a way to farm it.

Some guy found you could get them off earth elementals and posted about it. We don’t know what would have happened, and only the most closed-minded person would assume that we do.

You have no crystal ball, you’re not a seer, you shouldn’t be embarrassed to admit you don’t know.

You don’t need to be a seer or own a magic ball to see the patently obvious.

On one hand we have people pointing out the clear issues that the system had, increasing price and ANET themselves making alterations (i’m relatively confident they are privy to the information that it can drop from elementals..). On the other hand we have “someone, somewhere, somehow would have found a way, it would be alright honest!”. Yeah okay then.

Colin’s post to me was a clear indication they know that there is a hole where rewards for the activities they’d like us to do. They seem to be working on this according to his reply so I’m anxious to see what this will be. I’m hoping it will be something that will make it relatively easy to acquire materials we need from common events and or salvages.

So this change is great to bring dust down and bring ectos up… but the core issue still remains. Orr has been nerfed into oblivion. No one goes there anymore.

T6 mats will eventually need to come from other sources if you want to continue pushing people out of Orr.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

So this change is great to bring dust down and bring ectos up… but the core issue still remains. Orr has been nerfed into oblivion. No one goes there anymore.

T6 mats will eventually need to come from other sources if you want to continue pushing people out of Orr.

Yeah they know and from Colins reply they are working on the rewards system as a whole. I could only think that would mean events perhaps if my wishful thinking were to come true that might also mean champions/ and their chests they guard but one thing at a time.

Fenrir.3609:

ANET may indeed not want people to be “farming” in Orr (and that seems pretty obvious given the current situation), which is let’s face it, fair enough.

Fair to who? This these changes were very unfair to farmers, which have always been a big part of any MMO and who would have obviously gravitated to GW2. These changes were not merely meant to chase away “farmers”…it was to create a situation where the “average” player would be forced to buy gems to get what they wanted, this you can be sure of.

Fenrir.3609:

But it was as clear as day (to some of us at least), that given the situation we happened to be in, something had to be done to change it. Which is why they have had to step in in order to prevent the prices from continuing to rise, as well as to bring up the fact that there are going to be wholesale loot changes.

They had to step in? They intentionally created the situation!

Fenrir.3609:

The notion some had that people would just go back and farm Orr after Southsun and everything would be hunky dory without any changes, or others just spouting “economics 101, supply and demand dude!” was clearly completely and utterly wrong.

Please explain yourself? How was the notion wrong? I have to assume you know nothing about what you are talking about if you think people were waiting for a Orr fix. Farmers would be more than happy to return to Orr.

Fenrir.3609:

If ANET want to reduce “hardcore” farming or at least not make it so that zones (like Orr) are simply farm fests. Then good on them, so long as they bring in (non RNG/gem based) methods of getting hold of the items needed so that prices are at least relatively stable and supply is not totally ruined. The ecto salvage change and the talk of up and coming changes is a positive thing.

Let we wipe that off for you…you had a little brown on your nose. What do farmers have to do with “non RNG/gem based” items?

Amun Ra.6435:

Fair to who? This these changes were very unfair to farmers, which have always been a big part of any MMO and who would have obviously gravitated to GW2. These changes were not merely meant to chase away “farmers”…it was to create a situation where the “average” player would be forced to buy gems to get what they wanted, this you can be sure of.

“Fair enough” so long as they are at least trying to give none gem/RNG alternatives. I may not like their concept but if they are against wholesale farming and they provide alternatives, then that is “fairer” than the current set up.

They had to step in? They intentionally created the situation!

I know, sorry for thinking it is a good idea for them to try and rectify the situation..

Please explain yourself? How was the notion wrong? I have to assume you know nothing about what you are talking about if you think people were waiting for a Orr fix. Farmers would be more than happy to return to Orr.

I was pointing out that people would not simply pile back in and happily farm Orr just because Southsun had ended and without fixes. Note the without fixes part.

Let we wipe that off for you…you had a little brown on your nose. What do farmers have to do with “non RNG/gem based” items?

My brown nose? Yes I am always so utterly positive about the game… Again you may need to actually read the thing you are quoting before ranting. I said that it is fair enough to reduce the need to farm so long as they provide alternatives which are not RNG/gem based methods. If the concept is generally anti farming. What is not “fair enough” is espousing an anti farming ideal and then not providing alternatives outside of gems.

I am for the ability to have farming, I am for a “fix” of Orr. I am not though just going to lambast ANET when they are actively making changes which should improve upon the current situation (even if their own design concepts kittened everything up int he first place). Are they optimal? Probably not. Would just sorting loot in Orr be better? Probably so. But until that happens, the current change was needed and should be welcomed… as a start.

Vayne.8563:

You should relook at that thread. I never once said there was no salvaging bug. And this isn’t going to down badly for me.

There are two people here. One is saying I know exactly what would have happened and one is saying no one knows exactly what would have happened.

I’ll let everyone decide which approach is more reasonable. Those who don’t like what I’ve had to say will always want to prove me wrong…but it doesn’t make me wrong.

The reality of the situation is what makes you wrong.

Fenrir.3609:

Vayne.8563:

You should relook at that thread. I never once said there was no salvaging bug. And this isn’t going to down badly for me.

There are two people here. One is saying I know exactly what would have happened and one is saying no one knows exactly what would have happened.

I’ll let everyone decide which approach is more reasonable. Those who don’t like what I’ve had to say will always want to prove me wrong…but it doesn’t make me wrong.

The reality of the situation is what makes you wrong.

Your perception of the reality of the situation and your attachment to something you can’t possibly know makes you wrong.

See how easy this game is. Anyone can play it.

Vayne.8563:

Your perception of the reality of the situation and your attachment to something you can’t possibly know makes you wrong.

See how easy this game is. Anyone can play it.

No, just the reality of the situation.

It’s pretty clear that this has run it’s course. Anything from now is just post count bumping frankly.

Fenrir.3609:

Vayne.8563:

Your perception of the reality of the situation and your attachment to something you can’t possibly know makes you wrong.

See how easy this game is. Anyone can play it.

No, just the reality of the situation.

If you are going to stick to “omg no one could possibly ever see what was going to happens!” as a defense for a lamentably kitten poor position which everything that has actually transpired points against, then all the best to you.

O.o ? A deflector defects what?

What really needs to happen is that dust needs to be completely removed from the game and let say 4 of an item will upgrade itself or they need to make T1 – T5 dust wildly available so that there is some actual demand for players to go out and farm in low level zones. Converting materials is necessary in any economy and it is mind boggling how ANET has designed this so terribly.

Fenrir.3609:

Vayne.8563:

Your perception of the reality of the situation and your attachment to something you can’t possibly know makes you wrong.

See how easy this game is. Anyone can play it.

No, just the reality of the situation.

It’s pretty clear that this has run it’s course. Anything from now is just post count bumping frankly.

Subtitles read: “I failed to make a valid argument so what anyone else has to say simply can not be valid.”

Amun Ra.6435:

Fenrir.3609:

Vayne.8563:

Your perception of the reality of the situation and your attachment to something you can’t possibly know makes you wrong.

See how easy this game is. Anyone can play it.

No, just the reality of the situation.

It’s pretty clear that this has run it’s course. Anything from now is just post count bumping frankly.

Subtitles read: “I failed to make a valid argument so what anyone else has to say simply can not be valid.”

Do you actually have a point or a position of your own? Do you even grasp the positions other people are taking? Because at the moment, it doesn’t look at all like it.

My position is and always has been – the dust and general loot/Orr situation was broken and something needed/needs to be done about it.

That what has occurred and what was likely going to occur as well as ANET’s intervention point to that being the case.

That the change to dust from ectos is welcomed as is the notion of looking at loot/farming with an eye to improve it in future.

That whilst I would like to see Orr loot et al improved, at this point, any changes which make getting mats more readily (outside of the gem store) is a good thing.

That just leaving Orr exactly as it is with all the nerfs, not making any changes at all to ectos and just leaving it as it is would not fix the situation.

You are arguing against the above? Cool, well let’s hear it then.

Fenrir.3609:

Amun Ra.6435:

Fenrir.3609:

Vayne.8563:

Your perception of the reality of the situation and your attachment to something you can’t possibly know makes you wrong.

See how easy this game is. Anyone can play it.

No, just the reality of the situation.

It’s pretty clear that this has run it’s course. Anything from now is just post count bumping frankly.

Subtitles read: “I failed to make a valid argument so what anyone else has to say simply can not be valid.”

Do you actually have a point or a position of your own? Do you even grasp the positions other people are taking? Because at the moment, it doesn’t look at all like it.

My position is and always has been – the dust and general loot/Orr situation was broken and something needed/needs to be done about it.
That what has occurred and what was likely going to occur as well as ANET’s intervention point to that being the case.
That the change to dust from ectos is welcomed as is the notion of looking at loot/farming with an eye to improve it in future.
That whilst I would like to see Orr loot et al improved, at this point, any changes which make getting mats more readily (outside of RNG) is a good thing.
That just leaving Orr exactly as it is with all the nerfs, not making any changes at all to ectos and just leaving it as it is would not fix the situation.

You are arguing against the above? Cool, well let’s hear it then.

You want to “read” it again? Go right ahead…it’s a few posts back.

There is a thread specifically about the Orr nerfs I posted in…if you are really “Cool” with it, look it up.

Also, please don’t bump the thread.

Vol.5241:

They are expensive because they are largely driven by demand. And they are easy to acquire. There are several places to get them, from COE, to the sparks around Lyssa, Dwayna, and north of Caer.

Several places to get them, but none of them have them as primary drops, making there no primary locations for farming them. You might get the odd one or two while doing these things, sure, but certainly not enough to meet the demands of the game or economy, certainly not like how you can reliably get Blood from Trolls, Fangs from Skelks, Armored Scales from Turtles, etc, etc.

TBH, any argument that says “it’s ok because Sparks drop them” is bad. Look at the price of Charged Lodestones compared to the others. Sparks are not a reliable farming location.

I see some people saying that the dust was way to high a price for what it is, its simple marketing there,

Supply lower than Demand = Prices go way up
Demand lower than Supply = Prices go down

Anet brought this nightmare on themselves, time and time again they have ignored users on here with issues that are affecting the game ( bar the $$ players )

Ectos where going up in price along with rares ( because none where dropping ) so they altered the world events to make at least 1 rare drop, supply goes way up, price falls, this also increased the number of Ectos on the market, so the price fell, over the course of the last few months, they have nerfed all loot across Orr to death, so C/Dust which drops in Orr has sky rocketed because hey ho IT DOESNT DROP ANYMORE, so someone starts a thread about it, and Anet apparently read feedback, funny because I didn’t see loads of people saying,

HEY, make Ecto salvage into Dust, I did however see thread and topic after topic from people saying, PLEASE fix the LOOT in your END GAME area’s

Everywhere is being nerfed,

FoTM – nerfed drops are no where near what they used to be
WvW – where its not designed for farming, you get no loot from other players, yaya for spikes
Orr – nuff said, look at all the topics on it
Dungeons – this one is shocking really everywhere gets nerfed yet you can still do 8 min CoF runs, WHY IS THAT THEN….
SSCove – went there today, dead zone again, no one there..

Its truly sad as I played GW1 for 7 years, but its clear that GW2 is moving fast into a P2P game, where in you best be buying gems to covert to gold to get anything.

I don’t want them to make it that I can farm a stack of T6 materials every hour, but the fact I can run threw Orr and get no T6 materials at all in 2 hours its beyond a joke.

The supposed update that is going to revamp loot across the game, im thinking is going to head towards world events that reward it, which is going to make it,

*look at timer website for world events
*log in tap boss 4 times, get chest
*log out

They are killing there own game, im kinda disappointed I got the CE now.

I said it before and ill say it again, they are trying to push new content into a game where the community is crying out for simple fixes and changes, yet we go unheard, the only thing that is keeping me and most of my friends playing is WvW, and even that’s starting to fade, some think your just 1 person, thing is, 1 person leaves for a new game, 3 friends follow, and 3 of there friends and so fourth.

Fact is, ANET you have a brilliant game here, it is hands down the best MMO out there at the moment, don’t destroy it, get your act together and fix it, and fix it fast.

Ok I Did It.2854:

Its truly sad as I played GW1 for 7 years, but its clear that GW2 is moving fast into a P2P game, where in you best be buying gems to covert to gold to get anything.

I see this a lot, and honestly.. I don’t get it. I have pretty much everything I ever wanted in this game, excluding some strictly luxury items like the permanent merchant/hair stylist contracts. I never once converted gems into gold and I don’t know anyone who has.

What exactly is this stuff that you need to be converting gems into gold to be able to get?

Geotherma.2395:

They do not want us to HAVE to farm, and therefore decided this is the best course of action at this time

Whether its ectos or dust directly farming is involved especially for bifrost.

Fenrir.3609:

Vayne.8563:

Your perception of the reality of the situation and your attachment to something you can’t possibly know makes you wrong.

See how easy this game is. Anyone can play it.

No, just the reality of the situation.

It’s pretty clear that this has run it’s course. Anything from now is just post count bumping frankly.

So I’m just bumping because I disagree with you and you want to get the last word? Hmmm, I see. With every post you become more and more disingenuous.

I never said the price of dust would go down to what it was a few months ago. But I did say that I believed it would go down.

Whenever anyone publishes threads with words crisis in the title, I’m going to respond. It wasn’t a crisis because the economy of the game is not a real world economy. There are any number of ways it could have been fixed. And I was sure it would be fixed.

Now it might have been fixed by Anet increasing drops for dust and people would have farmed it, but Anet has taken another route.

I’m all for avoiding panic, if panic isn’t necessary. People were panicking about this crisis, and in denial that making threads, in this case more than one thread, about the dust wouldn’t affect the price. Of course it affects the price. It’s how runs start.

Now you can say that didn’t happen till you’re blue in the face. You have no evidence and you can’t prove it. I can’t either. But this is the way stock runs work in the real market. Some rumor starts, someone calls attention to it, a few people sell based on that and stock prices take a hit. It happens frequently.

So in an attempt to allay panic I come into the thread an say that a lot of people are farming Southsun, which did affect the price of the stuff dropping in Southsun. Logically that would mean that those who left Orr to farm Southsun would not be farming stuff in Orr. It all adds up to things looking worse than they were.

I was all for waiting to see what would happen. Anet stepped in and made another decision. But it doesn’t mean I was wrong. You’ve got it in your mind I was, and that’s still just your opinion.

Saying it over and over again doesn’t make you a hero. You should let it go, because you have no evidence, just a theory, and not everyone agrees with it.

OliverT.9021:

Lunar Sunset.8742:

Anet knew there was definitely a problem with dust and it wasn’t because of southsun… I wouldn’t start complaining about ecto prices because it’s fairly easy to obtain them if you have a black lion salvage kit…

I give props to LoneWolfie.1852, been agreeing with you this whole time :P

Don’t I get credit for it too, for starting this thread? ;p And the daily effort for tracking and posting prices and supply.

No…you get pats.

/pats

Beldin.5498:

Rama.6439:

And Southsun Cove has a source for T6 blood, scales, and poison sacs, but as far as T6 totems, claws, fangs, and ancient bones, if Anet don’t do something about the nerfs soon they will be going the way of the DUST soon also.

I sold fangs for 20-22s before the Souuthsun event started. After that they went down to 11-12s .. so i think they also must drop there. Bones and claws however went up .. and when i tried to farm the Icebrood in Frostgorge i had the feeling they were also nerfed, because actually maybe 1 of 10 mobs does drop anything at all.

I also still think they should give dust to the droptable from high-level Ice-Elementals, since i saw level 40+ Ice-Elementals drop T3 dust.

Fang drop from the skelks, anyone farming blood would have gotten a pile of fangs too. Claws also drop in Southsun but those are dropped by reef drakes. Who wants to farm reef drakes? -_-

Even if you did want to farm reef drakes their population doesn’t support that.

Dust was already in the loot table for high level ice elementals.

Oh and ANet not wanting people to farm Orr? This is obvious and they’ve implied it a number of times. The ideal distribution of players would be all players evenly spread out on all maps. Making it possible to obtain a high level crafting material from any map seems like a good start for that.

I don’t know that high end crafting materials should be found in any zone. What you’d end up with in that case is everyone in the lowest zones possible farming and empty end zones. There needs to be some sort of balance.

Make the early zones too rewarding and you have the same problem you had in Orr.

Vayne.8563:

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Not sure why you are bringing up comments about “crisis” and “panic”. They have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the crux of my argument and certainly go no way towards refuting it. I agree with your comments on them to an extent as it happens but again, that has kitten all to do with the core debate we have been having recently.

Without being sarcastic (and I genuinely am not being here), thank you but you don’t need to explain real world markets to me, aside from it having little to do with my main point, I have spent over a decade working in them so I am fairly familiar with their workings.

You seem to think this is purely opinion vs opinion. But it’s not really is it, one opinion is being backed up by both what was/is happening in game and the actions of the game developers themselves. The other is backed up by what exactly? “People will go back from Southsun and it will be fine”? It seems somewhat lopsided.

If you are going to continue to use “oh well no one can possibly see exactly with 100% accuracy what will ever happen in the future so I might have been right!” in order to back up a position which all the evidence points to being untrue. Well then yes, that is just post bumping really.

Fenrir.3609:

Vayne.8563:

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Not sure why you are bringing up comments about “crisis” and “panic”. They have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the crux of my argument and certainly go no way towards refuting it. I agree with your comments on them to an extent as it happens but again, that has kitten all to do with the core debate we have been having recently.

Without being sarcastic (and I genuinely am not being here), thank you but you don’t need to explain real world markets to me, aside from it having little to do with my main point, I have spent over a decade working in them so I am fairly familiar with their workings.

You seem to think this is purely opinion vs opinion. But it’s not really is it, one opinion is being backed up by both what was/is happening in game and the actions of the game developers themselves. The other is backed up by what exactly? “People will go back from Southsun and it will be fine”? It seems somewhat lopsided.

If you are going to continue to use “oh well no one can possibly see exactly with 100% accuracy what will ever happen in the future so I might have been right!” in order to back up a position which all the evidence points to being untrue. Well then yes, that is just post bumping really.

You simply don’t know, though. No one knows. Why can’t you admit the simple fact that once a door is opened, another one closes and no one knows what’s behind it.

You can suspect. You can use the fact that the devs did it as support to your argument, but it’s still circumstantial. The logic is the higher something goes up in price, the more people will farm it. This isn’t conjecture. This is fact.

Now, some farmers, of course, would not go back to Orr, but there’s a boatload of new people in this game and they might…because they have no basis for comparison like the older farmers do. A new group of farmer set themselves up with lower expectations. They do to Orr what the other farmers do. It’s not an unreasonable scenario. We don’t know if it will happen now, because the price drop of dust makes it not worth farming. However, we might see what happens with the price of the other Orrian T6 mats as a test case.

I have no evidence because we never got a chance to see what will happen, but there’s no fault in my logic. And I have another question. How come in so many posts, including your posts, the devs are fallible human beings, but when they do something you agree with, it was automatically the right thing to do? It makes no sense. Just like people over-react, devs can over react too.

In fact, there are other threads suggesting the devs have over-reacted to this.

I know I’m late on posting this since the salvage ecto thing which i think was ingenious, but I just wanted to add that making my triforge pendant cost 750 piles of dust. I can’t think of anything that uses more of it than that.

Vayne.8563:

I don’t know that high end crafting materials should be found in any zone. What you’d end up with in that case is everyone in the lowest zones possible farming and empty end zones. There needs to be some sort of balance.

Make the early zones too rewarding and you have the same problem you had in Orr.

They should be found in any zone. More specifically, in zones with high NPC control over the landscape (Read: mid level zones) T6 bags should be available to drop until player control of the zone is back.

This kind of push-pull would get more players into the world and would give farmers something to farm.

Mackdose.6504:

Vayne.8563:

I don’t know that high end crafting materials should be found in any zone. What you’d end up with in that case is everyone in the lowest zones possible farming and empty end zones. There needs to be some sort of balance.

Make the early zones too rewarding and you have the same problem you had in Orr.

They should be found in any zone. More specifically, in zones with high NPC control over the landscape (Read: mid level zones) T6 bags should be available to drop until player control of the zone is back.

This kind of push-pull would get more players into the world and would give farmers something to farm.

Now this is an idea I can get behind.

Notice that some people are claiming that low tier 6 mat drop rate is still a problem that ArenaNet need to fix.

I will just like to point out that with ecto salvageable to tier 6 dust, there is a soft cap on the price of all tier 6 mats now. Tier 5 mats are super abundant, so the price of all tier 6 mats are cap by indirectly by the price of ecto.

Very elegant solution really, there will never be a crisis of tier 6 mats again. However, this is bad news for farmers as tier 6 mats will no longer be very profitable to farm.

Edit:
Just to add, since that ecto prices are also capped by the price of tier 5 mats, ore and wood that are very abundant (since you can craft rares and slavage), the whole system is very stable.

People are missing the point entirely I see.

Let me spell it out so everyone can understand once and for all.

All things are not equal in the loot system, all people are not getting the chance for good drops, some people are stuck in a perpetual low drop 98% of the time situation so you can argue until you’re blue that there’s nothing wrong, but until everyone has equal chances at the loot there will still be a problem. That’s not what’s happening in this game I repeat loot chances are not equal in this game.

The only time anyone can say truly that there’s nothing wrong is when those people who have perpetual issues getting anything to drop at all suddenly have good luck as the word “random” in RNG implies. Until that happens there’s something wrong with the algorithm they are using. And it compounds the issue when they already have a system preventing loot drops working in tandem with the algorithm problem that already exists. (it also means that those who get perpetually great drops will eventually drop off, we’re not seeing that either).

So we can hear about how you got yours all year long until this issue is addressed properly it’s going to be here, the myth that RNG means that you get nothing all the time is just that a myth.

tigirius.9014:

All things are not equal in the loot system, all people are not getting the chance for good drops, some people are stuck in a perpetual low drop 98% of the time situation so you can argue until you’re blue that there’s nothing wrong, but until everyone has equal chances at the loot there will still be a problem. That’s not what’s happening in this game I repeat loot chances are not equal in this game.

This is the only myth I can see concerning loot drops.

By this logic, I should be angry that there are people who are 98% of the time getting better loot than everyone else.

Lord Erik.6903:

I know I’m late on posting this since the salvage ecto thing which i think was ingenious, but I just wanted to add that making my triforge pendant cost 750 piles of dust. I can’t think of anything that uses more of it than that.

Well Bifrost needs 750 piles of dust and if you are trying to upgrade the T5 materials you will need more dust

Mackdose.6504:

tigirius.9014:

All things are not equal in the loot system, all people are not getting the chance for good drops, some people are stuck in a perpetual low drop 98% of the time situation so you can argue until you’re blue that there’s nothing wrong, but until everyone has equal chances at the loot there will still be a problem. That’s not what’s happening in this game I repeat loot chances are not equal in this game.

This is the only myth I can see concerning loot drops.

By this logic, I should be angry that there are people who are 98% of the time getting better loot than everyone else.

It’s not a myth to the people who experience it month after month on this title who tried everything to get it to change their chances, who have followed every suggestion devs have put forth to get DR to turn off for their accounts and to continuously see these same results from doing the things the devs want us to do.

I find your reply that I suggested you get mad at people who are on the opposite side of the coin a strawman remark designed to invalidate very real experiences in this game. It’s been happening for almost a year now. You should be mad that they have yet to look deeper into DR and the loot algorithm itself (not the other players).

Mackdose.6504:

tigirius.9014:

All things are not equal in the loot system, all people are not getting the chance for good drops, some people are stuck in a perpetual low drop 98% of the time situation so you can argue until you’re blue that there’s nothing wrong, but until everyone has equal chances at the loot there will still be a problem. That’s not what’s happening in this game I repeat loot chances are not equal in this game.

This is the only myth I can see concerning loot drops.

By this logic, I should be angry that there are people who are 98% of the time getting better loot than everyone else.

I would argue that it is actually impossible that there are accounts which have plain worse/better chances at getting rare loot… but let’s be honest it seems like a possibility when we all remember back at release.
There was a problem with some accounts not getting any WvW boni. That was an issue on a per account base. Why shouldn’t there be a related bug regarding loot.

For example, I have a char with 200% magic find. I can tell you that I found in total 9 exotics in over 2000 hours of gametime.

That doesn’t sound normal to me. And please don’t come up with stuff like, oh your samplesize is too low. It is 2000+ hours, that isn’t exactly low.

Varonth.5830:

Mackdose.6504:

tigirius.9014:

All things are not equal in the loot system, all people are not getting the chance for good drops, some people are stuck in a perpetual low drop 98% of the time situation so you can argue until you’re blue that there’s nothing wrong, but until everyone has equal chances at the loot there will still be a problem. That’s not what’s happening in this game I repeat loot chances are not equal in this game.

This is the only myth I can see concerning loot drops.

By this logic, I should be angry that there are people who are 98% of the time getting better loot than everyone else.

I would argue that it is actually impossible that there are accounts which have plain worse/better chances at getting rare loot… but let’s be honest it seems like a possibility when we all remember back at release.
There was a problem with some accounts not getting any WvW boni. That was an issue on a per account base. Why shouldn’t there be a related bug regarding loot.

For example, I have a char with 200% magic find. I can tell you that I found in total 9 exotics in over 2000 hours of gametime.

That doesn’t sound normal to me. And please don’t come up with stuff like, oh your samplesize is too low. It is 2000+ hours, that isn’t exactly low.

Of course, you could have spent half that time in PvP, which would completely change what you’re saying. Or standing around in LA. Or in low level zones (since exotics didn’t drop their until January (as far as I know).

How many hours doesn’t tell me anything.

Varonth.5830:

I would argue that it is actually impossible that there are accounts which have plain worse/better chances at getting rare loot… but let’s be honest it seems like a possibility when we all remember back at release.
There was a problem with some accounts not getting any WvW boni. That was an issue on a per account base. Why shouldn’t there be a related bug regarding loot.

For example, I have a char with 200% magic find. I can tell you that I found in total 9 exotics in over 2000 hours of gametime.

That doesn’t sound normal to me. And please don’t come up with stuff like, oh your samplesize is too low. It is 2000+ hours, that isn’t exactly low.

Whilst it may or may not be true that some accounts are more “lucky” than others due to a coding error. It is nigh on impossible to actually know whether that is true or not from a players perspective, RNG is after all RNG.

With regards to the x amount of exotics in x hours, well it really depends on exactly what you are doing in those x hours. If you do a bit of this and that and generally just have fun/lark around, you are going to get alot less than someone hardcore farming (as much as you can in this game that is). Regardless of your magic find.