Guild Wars 2

Reinforcments.5713:

I think they should remove all the items and gold gained from orr and restart everyone from the last patch. That would be fair.

I think they should remove everything you have gained since the last patch, AP, gold, karma, exp..every single thing.
If you are good with that then we can talk about your plan after your stuff is wiped.

silvermember.8941:

Hevosin.9187:

silvermember.8941:

@colin

Have you ever consider instead of having event mobs not drop loot and instead bump up the rewards and after an event succeed or fail give them players a chest depending on participation and increase the treshold for what is consider participation. So in Queendales De will give 5s and a chest for loot (3 to 4 pieces of loot) but instead with no possibility of getting a level 80 exotic or rare. But a level 50+ zone will give money (5-10s)+ a chest (with 3 to 4 pieces of loot) with a high possibility of loot exotic or rare or ascended.

This will remove the incentive for intentionally failing a DE and also reduce zerg trains because players while having other players around is nice zerging an event ISN’T.

This is a very nice idea, from the very beginning Events had very crappy rewards. Anet says they want no farming, but without farming, gold is basically impossible to get. I have played since launch and had about 40g total a few weeks ago, before cof1 nerf I did it for a few days and got another 40g, I doubled months of work in a few days. Anet either needs to KILL ALL FARMING, or buff up normal drops and rewards. I think 5s is a fair number for every event in a 1-15 zone and each zone would go up a little each time, lvl 80 zones events should give 30-40s. There would finally be a reason to do events in zones other than just to get the Exp to get a alt to 80.

Also on a side note Vets should get the old Champ loot update, for those of you who forget what that was, all champs dropped one piece of loot without fail(exept event champs) I think all Vets should drop at least one piece of loot. Whether that be armor or a weapon, mats, or w/e. but only non-event vets.

EDIT: 1s for a lvl 1 and lvl 2 event, all events past that could use a simple scale

lvl of event/2.5=Silver reward. So a lvl 15 event would give 6s, a lvl 45 would give 18s, and a lvl 80 event would give 32s. I don’t think it going to break the game econ, a simple fix to make sure it cant be zerged in high lvl zones is slap DR on it, HOWEVER, Leave the minimum reward of any event 1/3 of its max, so assuming I stay in a huge zerg and I hit DR when I do a lvl 80 event I would get 10s 66c. Still good money but not nearly as good as 32s.

40s is way too high for reward it will cause things to inflate too fast. They are some players that will always farm that is unavoidable, but it will give incentive to those that enjoy DE to do more DE. Giving 40s will lead to players chaining events and that is not what should be happening. The goal of my system is to make it rewarding enough for people to do but not high enough to cause a huge spike.

Your plan will certain will certainly increase the rate too fast and devalue goal because now your 40g you have is going to be worth less far less than before in short time.

See my edit about DR for rewards, 10s 66c would be hard to break the econ even with event farming, plus 32s and 10s 66c respectively would be level 80 events only.

Simple solution to the problem: TIME.
If the event goes on for too long champions will get INVULNERABLE and will ONE-SHOT everyone to DEATH. They will REMAIN INVULNERABLE for several seconds and go back to normal. If people keep delaying the event the INVULNERABILITY will b]LAST LONGER,[/b] to the point were people can’t do the event anymore.

Even simpler solution. EVENT FAILED. Champions disappear.

Skyline.3480:

Simple solution to the problem: TIME.
If the event goes on for too long champions will get INVULNERABLE and will ONE-SHOT everyone to DEATH. They will REMAIN INVULNERABLE for several seconds and go back to normal. If people keep delaying the event the INVULNERABILITY will b]LAST LONGER,[/b] to the point were people can’t do the event anymore.

Even simpler solution. EVENT FAILED. Champions disappear.

I present to you there is a better solution that doesn’t involve changing the champion farm at all.

Remove the reason people feel the need to farm the champions. There are plenty of ways to do it. The problem isn’t that people want to fail the event to mess with other people, unlike the other side that want to complete it mostly to just hurt the farmers. The problem is that people feel they are forced to farm in order to get what they want. If you removed the need to farm in order to get those items, you remove the problem without having to nerf anything.

We aren’t talking some incredibly complex fix either. Right now people do it in order to get one of the new skins, let’s be honest we’ve all gotten one of the 20+ gold items and sold it, that’s how we make our money. What if Anet made those skins craftable, but account bound? Sure they could still drop, but if you could also craft them you wouldn’t see many of these problems. They could even add special recipes in the black lion chests, or just make them available in the gem store for 200 gems etc. These are just ideas, but the point is to remove the reason people feel the need to farm.

Again something the people getting angry at the farmers don’t seem to understand is that WE DON"T ENJOY THE MINDLESS FARMING. It’s just a means to an end. The means is farming, the end is enjoyment. If Anet provides a way to reach that enjoyment with different means I can guarantee you that people will go that path.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Remove the reason people feel the need to farm the champions. There are plenty of ways to do it. The problem isn’t that people want to fail the event to mess with other people, unlike the other side that want to complete it mostly to just hurt the farmers. The problem is that people feel they are forced to farm in order to get what they want. If you removed the need to farm in order to get those items, you remove the problem without having to nerf anything.

Give everyone a sunrise and they would quit. You don’t need to farm in other game. It’s always just a matter of one bonehead sees it as the best way to make money so he publishes the info and people blindly follow. You know what people said to me at the farm places? That the gauntlet should be nerfed and not their farm, because more G/hr is there. However they don’t want the best money, they want easy money. They want to get stuff for doing nothing, but auto attacking at one spot. Nothing will change that. You could give them heavens and they would still like a second heaven for just standing there auto attacking.
And as to the skin problem – there were a bunch of people whining that a) the game does not have unique skins b) they don’t get satisfaction for completing a certain dungeon, because the reward is certain. They wanted random drops.

I like how Iconik is being singled out for disrupting a group of people who were yelling at people and threatening to get them banned for completing an event.

But nooooo Iconik is the one who’s the bad guy here. Those poor defenseless farmers just wanted to play their game!

I don’t even disagree with farmers, I just hate kittenhead players.

Kirschwasser.3972:

I like how Iconik is being singled out for disrupting a group of people who were yelling at people and threatening to get them banned for completing an event.

But nooooo Iconik is the one who’s the bad guy here. Those poor defenseless farmers just wanted to play their game!

I don’t even disagree with farmers, I just hate kittenhead players.

Fair enough. But you can’t really ignore that he definitely disrupted a lot of other players from doing what they were doing.

Kirschwasser.3972:

I like how Iconik is being singled out for disrupting a group of people who were yelling at people and threatening to get them banned for completing an event.

But nooooo Iconik is the one who’s the bad guy here. Those poor defenseless farmers just wanted to play their game!

I don’t even disagree with farmers, I just hate kittenhead players.

Those guys were bad, but Iconik is not being better.

I get it, it makes us feel nice to see bad guys get messed with. Still it’s a bad attitude and shouldn’t be encouraged.

Kirschwasser.3972:

I like how Iconik is being singled out for disrupting a group of people who were yelling at people and threatening to get them banned for completing an event.

But nooooo Iconik is the one who’s the bad guy here. Those poor defenseless farmers just wanted to play their game!

I don’t even disagree with farmers, I just hate kittenhead players.

In defense of farmers (personally I don’t have the willpower to do long sessions, 2hrs of CoF was enough to stop me playing it for like 3 days before I mustered the willpower again), while there is the motive of “I want loot”, they’re mostly farming the hell out of champions because they know ANet are just going to smack champion loot with a giant nerf hammer. Colin’s post was basically them trying to put as diplomatically as possible that champ loot was being nerfed since we just aren’t allowed to have nice things.

I’ll accept that Iconik’s actions aren’t better, but everyone’ asking like those farmers are just so poor and innocent and it’s just such a bad thing that they’re being disrupted despite being kittenty kittenlords to other people.

colesy.8490:

. Colin’s post was basically them trying to put as diplomatically as possible that champ loot was being nerfed since we just aren’t allowed to have nice things.

No, the lesson is – you can’t have nice things at the expense of others. Failing an event again and again and again is not a beneficial way of playing. Playing should be encouraged to complete events and help each other, instead of cursing at each other. Ban hammer does not touch things where there’s no controversy.

The expense of the minority since most people are doing these loot chains and it’s a vocal minority complaining? You’re not going to please everyone, I thought it made sense for a gaming company to keep the majority of their gamers content – hence why when cof p1 indirectly got nerfed they gave people an alternative rather than just going “nope, you can’t have anything”.

It seems like ANet are just going to do a blunt nerf to champion loot by making it daily or making the loot flat out worse.

Kirschwasser.3972:

I’ll accept that Iconik’s actions aren’t better, but everyone’ asking like those farmers are just so poor and innocent and it’s just such a bad thing that they’re being disrupted despite being kittenty kittenlords to other people.

No, everyone is not acting in that fashion. There have been a number of posts demonizing the farmers. For others to point out that purposefully griefing the farmers is also bad is not outside the bounds of the discussion.

Obviously it wasn’t “everyone”, you have to give some room for hyperbole.

you know the funny thing is by working to destroy the farm you’re destroying the only actual reason to be in orr.
you’re doing more harm than good by hurting a farm.
because guess what when theres a good farm in orr theres actual people in orr.

and the one thing i noticed is that those annoying skill points are a lot easier to get since the champs guarding them get zerged down, the entire zone is alot safer since a lot of the zones champions are dead.
and not to mention the temple events get finished a lot more, because if you call out you need more people for temple events more often that not you’re gonna get people to come since they’re bored of farming.

but as soon as you kill the farm you kill the only chance orr has,……again.

colesy.8490:

The expense of the minority since most people are doing these loot chains and it’s a vocal minority complaining? You’re not going to please everyone, I thought it made sense for a gaming company to keep the majority of their gamers content – hence why when cof p1 indirectly got nerfed they gave people an alternative rather than just going “nope, you can’t have anything”.

It seems like ANet are just going to do a blunt nerf to champion loot by making it daily or making the loot flat out worse.

1. I don’t think that they’ll nerf all champ loot. They’ll probably do the same fix as they did with Lyssa though – make that part of the event not give any loot whatsoever.
2. It’s not about the minority on the forums, but about the way those players act. If a developer sees someone saying to a newbie that they won’t get the wp uncontested and that the newbie has to pay them 20G to get to the waypoint leading to a dungeon, the developer obviously thinks that the event is poisonous for the community. If there were less loudmouths swearing at everyone in the chat, there would be less fixes.

Mirta.5029:

colesy.8490:

The expense of the minority since most people are doing these loot chains and it’s a vocal minority complaining? You’re not going to please everyone, I thought it made sense for a gaming company to keep the majority of their gamers content – hence why when cof p1 indirectly got nerfed they gave people an alternative rather than just going “nope, you can’t have anything”.

It seems like ANet are just going to do a blunt nerf to champion loot by making it daily or making the loot flat out worse.

1. I don’t think that they’ll nerf all champ loot. They’ll probably do the same fix as they did with Lyssa though – make that part of the event not give any loot whatsoever.
2. It’s not about the minority on the forums, but about the way those players act. If a developer sees someone saying to a newbie that they won’t get the wp uncontested and that the newbie has to pay them 20G to get to the waypoint leading to a dungeon, the developer obviously thinks that the event is poisonous for the community. If there were less loudmouths swearing at everyone in the chat, there would be less fixes.

That’s great and all, but that ‘fix’ will just make people avoid that event and do the regular rotation, leaving it contested. It’s still a group event. Also, the 2nd point you made was 1 very specific situation, as I was there when it was said. It was said after you, “ruined” the farm for a lot of people. They were agitated by your actions and one of those people decided to say that to the guy who wanted to go to Arah. What you forgot to mention was someone, not 2 seconds later, volunteered to escort him to the Arah waypoint.

Mirta.5029:

colesy.8490:

The expense of the minority since most people are doing these loot chains and it’s a vocal minority complaining? You’re not going to please everyone, I thought it made sense for a gaming company to keep the majority of their gamers content – hence why when cof p1 indirectly got nerfed they gave people an alternative rather than just going “nope, you can’t have anything”.

It seems like ANet are just going to do a blunt nerf to champion loot by making it daily or making the loot flat out worse.

1. I don’t think that they’ll nerf all champ loot. They’ll probably do the same fix as they did with Lyssa though – make that part of the event not give any loot whatsoever.
2. It’s not about the minority on the forums, but about the way those players act. If a developer sees someone saying to a newbie that they won’t get the wp uncontested and that the newbie has to pay them 20G to get to the waypoint leading to a dungeon, the developer obviously thinks that the event is poisonous for the community. If there were less loudmouths swearing at everyone in the chat, there would be less fixes.

They’ll probably cut the silver you get from champs and make the chest daily.

Play how you want guys, except when you get good loot!

smacks with nerf bat

colesy.8490:

Mirta.5029:

colesy.8490:

The expense of the minority since most people are doing these loot chains and it’s a vocal minority complaining? You’re not going to please everyone, I thought it made sense for a gaming company to keep the majority of their gamers content – hence why when cof p1 indirectly got nerfed they gave people an alternative rather than just going “nope, you can’t have anything”.

It seems like ANet are just going to do a blunt nerf to champion loot by making it daily or making the loot flat out worse.

1. I don’t think that they’ll nerf all champ loot. They’ll probably do the same fix as they did with Lyssa though – make that part of the event not give any loot whatsoever.
2. It’s not about the minority on the forums, but about the way those players act. If a developer sees someone saying to a newbie that they won’t get the wp uncontested and that the newbie has to pay them 20G to get to the waypoint leading to a dungeon, the developer obviously thinks that the event is poisonous for the community. If there were less loudmouths swearing at everyone in the chat, there would be less fixes.

They’ll probably cut the silver you get from champs and make the chest daily.

Play how you want guys, except when you get good loot!

smacks with nerf bat

Then people will just ignore the entire chain. Which is counter to what Anet has stated they want. There is no way to fix the problem within the current setup they use. They will have to change the entire reward system to provide a reason for the players to do an event, especially if they are wanting to up the difficulty. Before this event you were lucky to find 2 people doing it. If they up the difficulty they will have to open Arah permanently because on most servers it’s always contested anyway.

colesy.8490:

Play how you want guys, except when you get good loot!

Play how you want guys, except don’t exploit.

We can’t help failing an event if it’s too hard.

colesy.8490:

We can’t help failing an event if it’s too hard.

As mentioned in the beginning of this topic, it’s very easy to prove that people are farming and not even trying to finish the event – just try hitting the cauldrons, and watch as everyone tells you to stop. A guy even posted screenshots of that.

Farmers are not that smart. It’s obvious to ArenaNet (and to everyone else) that they are failing this event to manipulate more Champions into spawning.

The main source of conflict is that one group of people feel that it is an exploit for farming champs and failing the event while another group feel that it is fine to farm champs. Lets leave the cursing and attacks aside.
Dev response is very vague thus people are still going on and on. Can we have official clarification whether this is an exploit or not so that people will know whether or not they can continue to farm and maybe lessen the conflicts once its clearer. Everyone wants to enjoy the game but there will be people with other opinions.

Thanks

AntiGw.9367:

colesy.8490:

Play how you want guys, except when you get good loot!

Play how you want guys, except don’t exploit.

It’s not exploiting. This exact same thing happened before, and all ANet did was make it so loot doesn’t drop from mobs so that people would want to complete the event instead. No bans, no big speech about how it was an exploit. It’s not an exploit to not complete an event.

AlietteFaye.7316:

AntiGw.9367:

colesy.8490:

Play how you want guys, except when you get good loot!

Play how you want guys, except don’t exploit.

It’s not exploiting. This exact same thing happened before, and all ANet did was make it so loot doesn’t drop from mobs so that people would want to complete the event instead. No bans, no big speech about how it was an exploit. It’s not an exploit to not complete an event.

PURPOSELY not completing events is also not as intended, which, loosely is defined as an exploit.

Different people interpret it differently, how about let owner of the game decide?

AntiGw.9367:

colesy.8490:

Play how you want guys, except when you get good loot!

Play how you want guys, except don’t exploit.

I’ve read all the rules and I can’t find the one that says I am required to successfully complete events. I can’t even find one that says I can’t use standard game tactics and rules specifically implemented by the devs to gain loot.

The devs said that for every champion I kill I will get a loot bag. So I found a place where champions spawn and I kill them. The event is immaterial to me, I am not attempting to complete it at all. So I’m “exploiting” because an event going on in the same place I am happens to fail?

The only people I see at fault here are the ones who are breaking the rules and they should be banned. It is against the rules to threaten people, so any farmers doing that should be banned, and it is against the rules to harass players, so any anti-farmers who specifically go out of their way to stop farmers (a perfectly legal and acceptable behavior) should also be banned.

Im Mudbone.1437:

AlietteFaye.7316:

AntiGw.9367:

colesy.8490:

Play how you want guys, except when you get good loot!

Play how you want guys, except don’t exploit.

It’s not exploiting. This exact same thing happened before, and all ANet did was make it so loot doesn’t drop from mobs so that people would want to complete the event instead. No bans, no big speech about how it was an exploit. It’s not an exploit to not complete an event.

PURPOSELY not completing events is also not as intended, which, loosely is defined as an exploit.

Could you point this out in the rules? I’ve read them and I can’t find anywhere that says I am required to successfully complete an event, or event try to complete an event. Am I exploiting every time I run past a timed event? By your definition I am purposefully letting it fail by not stopping what i’m doing to complete it. In fact you’ve probably done that before, you should probably be banned too.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Im Mudbone.1437:

AlietteFaye.7316:

AntiGw.9367:

colesy.8490:

Play how you want guys, except when you get good loot!

Play how you want guys, except don’t exploit.

It’s not exploiting. This exact same thing happened before, and all ANet did was make it so loot doesn’t drop from mobs so that people would want to complete the event instead. No bans, no big speech about how it was an exploit. It’s not an exploit to not complete an event.

PURPOSELY not completing events is also not as intended, which, loosely is defined as an exploit.

Could you point this out in the rules?

Remember the Snowflake exploit?

Players were banned for crafting an item, salvaging it for ectos, and using the product of the salvage to make a new item that they could also savage for ectos, over and over and over.

Now, we know for a fact those players were banned for exploiting.

However… Could you point this situation in the rules?

Well anet encourages team play and champs are meant to be farmed as stated whereas snowflake you profit from few clicks of a button. Both are totally different things, nothing to compare here. People work together, group up and kill stuff and also made friends regardless of servers.

The only difference between this exploit and Snowflake is that this one doesn’t break the game quite as much.

MountainPanda.5831:

Different people interpret it differently, how about let owner of the game decide?

Thar’s why the nerfs instead of bans to the not as intended zergs.

Dagraan.2854:

you know the funny thing is by working to destroy the farm you’re destroying the only actual reason to be in orr.
you’re doing more harm than good by hurting a farm.
because guess what when theres a good farm in orr theres actual people in orr.

Doing what exactly??

…preventing us from completing Gates by harassing us? How’s that a good thing?
Do I need to post more screenshots of their “Contribution” to the landscape here?

You’re not actually “populating” a Zone when you’re stacked 50 men deep in a 20 × 20 ft spot you almost never move from. …They might as well bring back 9-rings :p

A good fix would be adding area wide AOE to the champ eles that hurt a lot, and triggers on a specific density of players attacking. Also, based on the number of players targeting it, eNPCs should gain defensive stats, such as regeneration and other defensive boosts.

Advent Leader.1083:

A good fix would be adding area wide AOE to the champ eles that hurt a lot, and triggers on a specific density of players attacking. Also, based on the number of players targeting it, eNPCs should gain defensive stats, such as regeneration and other defensive boosts.

Fine, as long as it is permanent, then we will all see how many of the anti-farm crowd would show up to do these events “the way they are supposed to be done”.
Just so you know, all those things are baked in there now, you should look for yourself.

It doesn’t matter though because 99% of the anti-farmer will not do the event chains once the nerf hits anyway, because they were seldom if ever there before, and everyone knows it.

ilr.9675:

Dagraan.2854:

you know the funny thing is by working to destroy the farm you’re destroying the only actual reason to be in orr.
you’re doing more harm than good by hurting a farm.
because guess what when theres a good farm in orr theres actual people in orr.

Doing what exactly??

…preventing us from completing Gates by harassing us? How’s that a good thing?
Do I need to post more screenshots of their “Contribution” to the landscape here?

Great idea, you do just that, and don’t leave out you or your fellow traveler’s part of the conversation, the part where the farmers were goaded into telling you what they think of your actions.

That gate event doesn’t mean a thing to you people, it is just an excuse to grief people for doing something you don’t think they should do.
Nothing has prevented you people from doing that event every day for months on end, yet you didn’t do it. If you want into the dungeon, way point right to it, it is seldom contested and even then only for a few min, maybe 10.

Grey Warden.2983:

ilr.9675:

Dagraan.2854:

you know the funny thing is by working to destroy the farm you’re destroying the only actual reason to be in orr.
you’re doing more harm than good by hurting a farm.
because guess what when theres a good farm in orr theres actual people in orr.

Doing what exactly??

…preventing us from completing Gates by harassing us? How’s that a good thing?
Do I need to post more screenshots of their “Contribution” to the landscape here?

Great idea, you do just that, and don’t leave out you or your fellow traveler’s part of the conversation, the part where the farmers were goaded into telling you what they think of your actions.

That gate event doesn’t mean a thing to you people, it is just an excuse to grief people for doing something you don’t think they should do.
Nothing has prevented you people from doing that event every day for months on end, yet you didn’t do it. If you want into the dungeon, way point right to it, it is seldom contested and even then only for a few min, maybe 10.

pretty much this. Orr was barren a long time ago. The only time you would see people was during reset to just do some fast temple runs then thats it. But it does seem that those who are completing the event aren’t saying “yeah! we did it!” to “yeah! we ruined a farm! LOLZ look at the rage!”

I agree with serophous. The people that claimed that they want to do the event only ruin the farm and wait for peoples reaction and then uses remarks to make people furious. You cannot blame him if he really wants to do the event, in fact we should help him. But if such behaviour spans across 3 servers, the intention is questionable.

MountainPanda.5831:

I agree with serophous. The people that claimed that they want to do the event only ruin the farm and wait for peoples reaction and then uses remarks to make people furious. You cannot blame him if he really wants to do the event, in fact we should help him. But if such behaviour spans across 3 servers, the intention is questionable.

Sadly, it spans across most servers, at least the NA servers.
I have done those events many times with my guild and
randoms from map chat, and have simply walked into that fight. Never got much in the way of rewards for it, but it was nice lending a hand.

The problem here is that Anet knows the antis are griefing other players, shoot, they even post pictures and vids of the fact, there have been people on this very thread LFG to stop the farming. So why has Anet not stopped them from doing it?
What the anti farmers are doing is clearly disruptive as it is their stated goal. They are doing it on most if not all of the NA servers so it is an organized effort.

They have made it very clear who and what they are, so why haven’t the children been given a time out and a good talking to? If that behavior is ok with Anet then what, if any, are the limits to bad behavior? Would it be ok, for example, to show up in large groups and up scale an event while not taking part in it and do it on most NA servers? Very crappy thing to do I think, but what is the difference?

The solution seems simple to me, ban the anti-farmers for a few days and let the rest take notice, and the rest of us can make our coin in peace. Lord knows that every other money making event has been turned into a “not worth the effort” event. Anet wanted people in the open world and now they are out there, and being abused for it.

ColinJohanson.2394:

Ace.1726:

Ember farming is exactly what GW2 needed, it promotes getting a group together to do events. What Arenanet need to do now is tweak it so that it’s more beneficial to complete the event.

Co-ordinating an event chain is way better than waypointing from champ to champ, if you removed the incentives for doing events like ember then all you are left with are waypoint farming.

I’d much rather do event chains than farming a champ rotation.

I just want to point out, we agree. The game is more fun and exciting when defeating things and working together with other players is rewarding. Champions have always been an issue in this area, and it’s why we addressed it, we’re continuing to pursue other areas in the game in upcoming releases as well.

That being said: the behavior we want is people join up together to play events, but they want to succeed those events and win them, we never want to be in a state where intentionally failing an event is more rewarding or better for players. We’re not going to take a giant hammer to champion loot, we love it and love seeing people joining together to do events. We do want to make succeeding events what the game is about. We also do want to make some events in the future even more challenging, and in return more rewarding for succeeding.

You will see changes over time to help directly encourage players to always want to try and succeed events, we don’t ever want to create conflict between players who want to progress an event chain, and those who want to fail it. It’s bad for the game and not what Gw2 is all about.

I was discussing with my guild about this…. when changes to event system will be worked out please, consider the scaling system of the events. Making the event difficulty scale proportionally with player numbers is a good idea, but atm champions power scale to a point that every attack can one-shot 5 ppl, that becomes far from being fun, its just frustrating.
If there are more ppl means that champions will have to get stronger to make things challenging but even if there are more ppl doesnt mean every single toon has more HP, so how should we deal with champs that does 10k dmg/s AOE ?
I think NPC power should have a lower cap when it scales, and then just increase their number and the skills they do.
There are clearly some kind of champions stronger than other, those should spawn in greater number the more ppl are doing the event.

Grey Warden.2983:

The solution seems simple to me, ban the anti-farmers for a few days and let the rest take notice, and the rest of us can make our coin in peace. Lord knows that every other money making event has been turned into a “not worth the effort” event. Anet wanted people in the open world and now they are out there, and being abused for it.

LOL, so you want ArenaNet to ban people for finishing an event? Instead of banning the exploiters who are intentionally failing an event, which is obviously not playing the game as intended?

Right. Which server are you on again? I’m sure this event is going to be a huge success there, over and over again.

Erasculio.2914:

Grey Warden.2983:

The solution seems simple to me, ban the anti-farmers for a few days and let the rest take notice, and the rest of us can make our coin in peace. Lord knows that every other money making event has been turned into a “not worth the effort” event. Anet wanted people in the open world and now they are out there, and being abused for it.

LOL, so you want ArenaNet to ban people for finishing an event? Instead of banning the exploiters who are intentionally failing an event, which is obviously not playing the game as intended?

Right. Which server are you on again? I’m sure this event is going to be a huge success there, over and over again.

LOL, so you didn’t grasp the fact that they are griefing and when they stop the farm chain not a single one of them open the gates as is the reason they give for doing it.
And while you are busy not reading,it is none of your business how anyone plays the game. Read the post above mine and see what Colin said.
If Anet isn’t bothered overmuch about people farming this then what makes the anti-farmers think they need to be? Clearly they are not and have not been completing these events with any regularity for months, and no one has to clear the gates to get into the dungeon.

So yes, griefers should be banned for a few days and maybe they will learn not to be pests. So are you offering to guest to my server so you can grief the chain, sounds like it.

You know, on Jade Quarry, everyone was sitting doing the ember farm. I was trying to open Temple of Grenth, but I couldn’t pry a person away from Meddler’s Waypoint with anything. Then a group of trolls showed up and finished the event and bam, Temple of Grenth open. Temple of Melandru open. Temple of Dwanya open. People starting roaming the zones for once…that was the way it was intended.

Grey Warden.2983:

MountainPanda.5831:

I agree with serophous. The people that claimed that they want to do the event only ruin the farm and wait for peoples reaction and then uses remarks to make people furious. You cannot blame him if he really wants to do the event, in fact we should help him. But if such behaviour spans across 3 servers, the intention is questionable.

Sadly, it spans across most servers, at least the NA servers.
I have done those events many times with my guild and
randoms from map chat, and have simply walked into that fight. Never got much in the way of rewards for it, but it was nice lending a hand.

The problem here is that Anet knows the antis are griefing other players, shoot, they even post pictures and vids of the fact, there have been people on this very thread LFG to stop the farming. So why has Anet not stopped them from doing it?
What the anti farmers are doing is clearly disruptive as it is their stated goal. They are doing it on most if not all of the NA servers so it is an organized effort.

They have made it very clear who and what they are, so why haven’t the children been given a time out and a good talking to? If that behavior is ok with Anet then what, if any, are the limits to bad behavior? Would it be ok, for example, to show up in large groups and up scale an event while not taking part in it and do it on most NA servers? Very crappy thing to do I think, but what is the difference?

The solution seems simple to me, ban the anti-farmers for a few days and let the rest take notice, and the rest of us can make our coin in peace. Lord knows that every other money making event has been turned into a “not worth the effort” event. Anet wanted people in the open world and now they are out there, and being abused for it.

Yaks bend is contested atm, and most likely other lower pop servers. People go to the higher pop cause everyone is already there.

Which brings me to my point that people completing it arent doing it to succeed but to troll. I logged on just as the escort was starting, and how many people were there? None! No one was doing it! So, if people guest to farm, why not guest to complete the event?

Look, i farm time to time, but i cant do it constantly. Ive only done the ember farm two to three times and got bored, same with the living story farm.

Does this farm need nerfed? A bit, events should give a good reward for completing (that needs buffed), and as i suggested before, maybe adding bonus conditions to events for a greater reward.

BUT I dont agree with people completing the event not to complete it, but to grief. Thats just uncool.

Durian.5419:

You know, on Jade Quarry, everyone was sitting doing the ember farm. I was trying to open Temple of Grenth, but I couldn’t pry a person away from Meddler’s Waypoint with anything. Then a group of trolls showed up and finished the event and bam, Temple of Grenth open. Temple of Melandru open. Temple of Dwanya open. People starting roaming the zones for once…that was the way it was intended.

Well, each event does have a point where a bunch of mobs spawn, and champs, why wouldnt they go there since their main farm is gone? All of my servers temples open after reset, but what did the zerg do once the temples were open?

Today I Learned: That trying to complete the event gets you labeled a ‘troll’. And those of us who might want to actually use the flippin’ waypoint as the quick route to the Cathedral, Promenade, and Hallows, well, too bad or something.

But, hey, Anet will Do Something like probably nerf bat the champs to vets and there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth. Too bad, so sad. I lost my sympathy here.

Uruz Six.6594:

Nettle.9025:

Iconik.8712:

Not that difficult.

;)

http://i.imgur.com/DDiEz3h.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GYHu50N.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QpcDjby.jpg

Because he’s the hero Orr deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So the zerg will hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he’s not our hero. He’s a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A Tyrian knight.

Let’s turn one of the Orrian lighthouses into an Iconiksignal. Who’s with me?

I’m for this.

Yaks bend is contested atm, and most likely other lower pop servers. People go to the higher pop cause everyone is already there.

Which brings me to my point that people completing it arent doing it to succeed but to troll. I logged on just as the escort was starting, and how many people were there? None! No one was doing it! So, if people guest to farm, why not guest to complete the event?

Look, i farm time to time, but i cant do it constantly. Ive only done the ember farm two to three times and got bored, same with the living story farm.

Does this farm need nerfed? A bit, events should give a good reward for completing (that needs buffed), and as i suggested before, maybe adding bonus conditions to events for a greater reward.

BUT I dont agree with people completing the event not to complete it, but to grief. Thats just uncool.

I can’t disagree with you there, even on the bit of nerf.
The problem with Orr, all of it, is that there is no good reason to do most if not all of the events there, not to kick Anet around, tough job and I wouldn’t want it, but..

The whole of Orr has been a wasteland for months because of bugged events, nerfs to to working events loot and the living story. The LS is fine, mini games and JPs aside.
Simply, there is not one good reason for doing events. I go there and gather wood and ore for dailies, hit some of the events at Pent to complete daily events when they are part of it. Other than that, I couldn’t care less about being there unless a guild mate needs a hand mapping it. The whole reason Orr is not worth the effort is because Anet made it so, and unless they make worth the effort again, that will not change.

Unless people need the temples for karma gear or way points, they will not show up to help open them for a few silver, blue loot and a champ that doesn’t drop one dang thing. The repair costs are more than the pay out, simple economics.

In the mean time, we have a chance to gain some good coin but there is a dedicated group of griefers out there that intentionally nerf that. Anet needs to do something about those type people as much as they need to fix Orr and the rest of the open world, because clearly, this is sad state of affairs.

Grey Warden.2983:

Iconik.8712:

I do it, and have garnered a bit of attention for it because I was seeing people say “Yes! We failed! Good job all!” It’s so utterly ridiculous so I complete the event now and have even gotten a bit of a small army helping.

So you had no other reason to grief a group of people than you disagreed with them.

Yup. By completing an event as intended. Real disruptive!

Iconik.8712:

Grey Warden.2983:

Iconik.8712:

I do it, and have garnered a bit of attention for it because I was seeing people say “Yes! We failed! Good job all!” It’s so utterly ridiculous so I complete the event now and have even gotten a bit of a small army helping.

So you had no other reason to grief a group of people than you disagreed with them.

Yup. By completing an event as intended. Real disruptive!

How special.
I forget, did you open the Gates also, or just troll one event chain?