Guild Wars 2

And at what point do you decide whats an exploit in gw2? Unless I missed a memo or something that said your in charge? Did I? No?

Pigs will fly before someone starts sending you memos telling you what exploits are available and asking you to pretty please not exploit them.

Your first “memo” will arrive in the form of a ban, or a simple bug fix for less serious exloits.

And if you still can’t figure out how to recognize an exploit, see what Arena.net has to say in similar cases: 1, 2

The vast majority may only exploit things a few time as they figure it out, or accidentally exploit because they don’t know any better. Our goal is not to punish those people. But in the case of the snowflake fiasco, we had clear evidence of people exploiting it well over 15,000 (fifteen thousand) times before we managed to seal it up. Those are the people we go after – the ones who deliberately exploit with massive potential economic impact.

You better think about what you’re doing if you’ve been getting thousands of gold from exploiting the unintended consequence of failing the ember event. Anet never intended for an event to give you more than basically anything else in the game for repeatedly failing it. Anet is pretty clear on what defines what is an exploit and what is not and it’s based on intent. Intent is obviously not on all the farmer who keep on whining when these event get, gasp, completed. Report people for “griefing” when they do something that was intended, instead of exploiting the unintended, and look at what may happen to you if you were greedy enough to spam this every single day for 5+ hours. Because you can report as much as you want, people who complete the event, whether they just did it to get a rise out of you, or by curiosity for the event, are in the right, and you are the ones who are under the shadow of the banhammer just like it has been for previous massive exploitation of broken systems that have massively affected the economy.

AntiGw.9367:

Yadda Yadda Exploit ban he Yadda Yadda

So you have nothing, you can just lead with that next time, save yourself some time looking for pages that I won’t click/read anyways. lol

If Colin didn’t seem to worried / throwing the E word around and wanting farmers banned for killing champs, then nor should the players. If it was such a problem, chances are it would of been patched out by now… (One would think..) And the only reason I can think of as to why some people are against ember farming and enjoy having a cry about it is because they are market manipulators and have a ton of gold tied up in the trading posts on items that aren’t selling due to the availability of items now, but who knows, people are weird…

Abyssisis.3971:

AntiGw.9367:

Yadda Yadda Exploit ban he Yadda Yadda

So you have nothing, you can just lead with that next time, save yourself some time looking for pages that I won’t click/read anyways. lol

If Colin didn’t seem to worried / throwing the E word around and wanting farmers banned for killing champs, then nor should the players. If it was such a problem, chances are it would of been patched out by now… (One would think..) And the only reason I can think of as to why some people are against ember farming and enjoy having a cry about it is because they are market manipulators and have a ton of gold tied up in the trading posts on items that aren’t selling due to the availability of items now, but who knows, people are weird…

What you click is irrelevant. As are childish tantrums “but they didn’t tell us that it’s an exploit!” in any past, present and future cases.

The last hurrah for %MF? Or maybe its to let some gold flow for the anniversary celebrations (better gold to gem prices = more people willing to buy gems = $$$ for A-net).

Don’t fool yourself, the ember farm is based on an exploit. If A-net said otherwise, its just so that they won’t have to ban half the player population ahead of their anniversary and gem store sales.

As Colin said, there won’t be any banhammer to champion loot. However, I don’t read his post as saying things will remain the same but that each champions will still drop the champ chest when killed. It also says that they will be fixing the reward in intentional fail. My guess is, champ chest only awarded on success of the event. That means the ember farm can go on but not at the current frequency. This move will also align the player base to want the DE to succeed.

I think farmers should also reflect on their own behavior when wondering why folks will want to ‘grief’ them. But I suppose no one is really going to convert anyone else here so just play how you want until this gets patched (and it will get patched because this issue has become toxic and divisive to the community). For now, farmers will continue to farm and folks who want to complete events will do so. If there is a conflict, well I guess whoever is playing as intended will ultimately win out. LOL.

I just want to point out that if those that deliberately fail events aren’t going to get banned, then those that deliberately complete events are certainly not going to get banned, whatever the underlying reason.

Abyssisis.3971:

If Colin didn’t seem to worried / throwing the E word around and wanting farmers banned for killing champs, then nor should the players.

Players can bring his attention to issues and both sides can then attempt to justify their POVs. Nothing wrong with that. That’s what happened with MF.

If you want Arah dungeon (or rather the event to success) but you never join the event to open it up, then you can’t blame other’s who fail the event. You have no right to complain those who has put in their effort there.

If you want Arah dungeon (or rather the event to success) and you’ve join the event, but it fails, its your problem cause you are not doing good enough. Don’t blame the others as they all did put in the same effort as you.

If you join the event just to farm for champ, and it success, don’t blame those who are there with you… You never know the reason why they r there. Cause they are doing the same thing as you.

If you join the event just to farm for champ and it fails, good job, cause you have tried your best, and ignore those who are complaining that you exploit the event as they r the one who are just too weak to complete the event.

=)

AntiGw.9367:

What you click is irrelevant. As are childish tantrums “but they didn’t tell us that it’s an exploit!” in any past, present and future cases.

Exactly, so why bother posting them to begin with… As for farming embers, under no circumstances are players required to complete quests in gw2, yes, players are “supposed” to complete them, but it isn’t an exploit to let the event fail.

justkoh.4073:

Players can bring his attention to issues and both sides can then attempt to justify their POVs. Nothing wrong with that. That’s what happened with MF.

I’m not against having a kitten on the forums, gotta pass the time somehow when not gw2ing. lol

MF that doesn’t increase the number of loot drops is just bad k.

Nikaido.3457:

The vast majority may only exploit things a few time as they figure it out, or accidentally exploit because they don’t know any better. Our goal is not to punish those people. But in the case of the snowflake fiasco, we had clear evidence of people exploiting it well over 15,000 (fifteen thousand) times before we managed to seal it up. Those are the people we go after – the ones who deliberately exploit with massive potential economic impact.

You better think about what you’re doing if you’ve been getting thousands of gold from exploiting the unintended consequence of failing the ember event. Anet never intended for an event to give you more than basically anything else in the game for repeatedly failing it.

Interesting…
Nice find. Archiving FTW

So… I think we can agree that if it is an exploit, Anet will fix it. If it is not, Anet will not. They’ve been fixing most farm-related exploits throughout the game’s life and even if you believe they won’t fix it because Anet hates you or something… then complaining about it still isn’t doing anything.

Anet will change it regardless, can’t have a place like this in gw2, it actually provides decent income!

Abyssisis.3971:

And at what point do you decide whats an exploit in gw2? Unless I missed a memo or something that said your in charge? Did I? No?

Wikipedia: An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or glitches, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game’s designers.

Already had an Anet say it’s not intended… sooooo…

All I know is it just sucked when I thought all these peeps were doing the arah chain but then they stopped at ember and started cussing out the regulars that are there every night to do the temple, run them off. Too lazy to do the temples and get the drops and a chance at a precurser, then move to other champs until the temples start up again. Nope, need to stand around doing nothing for 20 minutes until ember comes up again. Ember about ready to start dropping food stamps imo.

Sadly, developers dealing with things like this takes time away from making the game better. The easiest way for them to fix these type problems is to change champions into veterans. Or to make the waves spawn decreasing amounts of champions with each wave. Diminishing returns…where have we seen that happen before?

Erasculio.2914:

Grey Warden.2983:

you say “new area specifically for farming (the Crown Pavillion) as well as increased the drop loots for all Champions everywhere, including in places where there are a lot of them…” and then call it an exploit and a loophole.

Exactly. Farmers could farm in the area designed for farming, in other words, in the Crown Pavillion. They could farm in Frostgourge Sound, where there are a lot of champions.

But no. While having all those options, they chose to use an exploit. In other words, the argument “there’s no way to make gold, that’s why people are using this exploit” is false – there are places made to farm, but exploiters have chosen to ignore all of them and flock to an exploit instead.

Grey Warden.2983:

That snowflake deal is just another straw man you are trying to set up.
This event farming is nothing like the snowflake exploit, that was not intended.

And intentionally failing an event in order to farm is not intended. By your own definition, that’s an exploit. Thank you for proving my point.

I haven’t proved your point at all. You are the one continually proving the point that you are griefing.

It is not an exploit, Colin said that while Anet prefers the events be completed there are no big nerf hammers coming.
It is obvious that Anet didn’t intend for people to grief other players, that is against their rules, and you continue to break them.
There are more than a few of us who wonder why Anet doesn’t enforce their own policy, especially when they have people bragging about it and encouraging others to join in.

Erasculio.2914:

Abyssisis.3971:

Its not an exploit, its just an oversight which anet will fix sooner or later

Remember when cultural weapons were made available for a very very low price, and hordes of players bought a lot of them, only to be banned a while later for exploiting what was ultimately a bug?

Wasn’t that pretty much “an oversight which anet” did fix sooner or later?

Another straw man. No relation to this issue in the slightest way.

Colin posted in this very thread about this farm. Read what he said.
Stop breaking the rules, stop putting words in Anet’s mouth and stop saying thing you know are not true simply because you don’t want people to make money.

Katz.5143:

Sadly, developers dealing with things like this takes time away from making the game better. The easiest way for them to fix these type problems is to change champions into veterans. Or to make the waves spawn decreasing amounts of champions with each wave. Diminishing returns…where have we seen that happen before?

um no, so further punishment of the people that regularly do the temples? There are a number of camps on temple runs, why do we need them removed? I’m after the boss, I want the boss drops, but it was nice to see all the champs drop something better than they did before …while it lasted. They just need to make the champs despawn on fail, pretty simple, they already have the script/code to do that. Should have already been fixed imo.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Grey Warden.2983:

I suggest you read Colin’s statement again and pay attention to the no giant nerf hammer part.

There’s a big difference between no giant nerf hammer to champion drops in general and modifying this one event so it does not run perpetually. Neither you nor I know what they will do, but the straw you are clinging to is not the one you think you have.

I used that to counter the “play the way you are supposed to” crowd, as in Anet may not prefer it but…

I’m sure they will change it, can’t see how they wouldn’t.
All we want is to left alone to get while the getting is good.

There’s like.. Literally no point in going to TCCS right now unless you’re a zergling, or you want your daily Olrialchum/Sapling nodes.

None of the temples are ever up except Grenth once every two days, and half the way points are down because people won’t finish the events |:

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

There’s like.. Literally no point in going to TCCS right now unless you’re a zergling, or you want your daily Olrialchum/Sapling nodes.

None of the temples are ever up except Grenth once every two days, and half the way points are down because people won’t finish the events |:

Don’t worry, this hero will deal with the evil General Andarzbad at once! Some help would be appreciated, though.

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

or you want your daily Olrialchum/Sapling nodes.

Even that is out right now on my server, it’s just too laggy. There are more people there than in LA, far more
I’ve just been getting the few nodes in frostgorge, less zergling there since it actually involves moving from place to place. Most I’ve seen in FG is about as many as do Jormag. In CS, it’s just stupified. waiting for patch

Grey Warden.2983:

I’m sure they will change it, can’t see how they wouldn’t.
All we want is to left alone to get while the getting is good.

So you do understand that this is a situation that shouldn’t exist and will be changed.

Yes, all farmers wish to be left alone to exploit the event. But their obnoxiousness is also exactly why they won’t get it. Pity it wasn’t some out of the way obscure event. If so, perhaps there’d be less of an issue for everyone.

With the patch looming, my guild chose today to bring our newly Lv80s through Orr. We enjoyed completing certain events so much, we did it again and again!

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

There’s like.. Literally no point in going to TCCS right now unless you’re a zergling, or you want your daily Olrialchum/Sapling nodes.

None of the temples are ever up except Grenth once every two days, and half the way points are down because people won’t finish the events |:

If you do that, farmers win. They don’t own the place. If you have the manpower, be brave and participate in whatever way suits you. If anyone insults or threatens you, screenshot and send in a report. These farmers are all gold/min orientated. Every day they are banned, they die a little inside.

justkoh.4073:

Grey Warden.2983:

I’m sure they will change it, can’t see how they wouldn’t.
All we want is to left alone to get while the getting is good.

So you do understand that this is a situation that shouldn’t exist and will be changed.

Yes, all farmers wish to be left alone to exploit the event. But their obnoxiousness is also exactly why they won’t get it. Pity it wasn’t some out of the way obscure event. If so, perhaps there’d be less of an issue for everyone.

With the patch looming, my guild chose today to bring our newly Lv80s through Orr. We enjoyed completing certain events so much, we did it again and again!

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

There’s like.. Literally no point in going to TCCS right now unless you’re a zergling, or you want your daily Olrialchum/Sapling nodes.

None of the temples are ever up except Grenth once every two days, and half the way points are down because people won’t finish the events |:

If you do that, farmers win. They don’t own the place. If you have the manpower, be brave and participate in whatever way suits you. If anyone insults or threatens you, screenshot and send in a report. These farmers are all gold/min orientated. Every day they are banned, they die a little inside.

I do the ones I can, but those that have higher tier enemies such as champions, I tend to shrug away from.

Like for example, the Garden of Ilya waypoint was down earlier and Noone was taking it, so I blasted it back to normal, and also did that town on the far west coast of central CS (not the anchorage, the one further northwest from it).

Thing is, I don’t have the manpower. Otherwise I’d burn them all out.

Emanuel.9781:

Abyssmal Shadow.2785:

There’s like.. Literally no point in going to TCCS right now unless you’re a zergling, or you want your daily Olrialchum/Sapling nodes.

None of the temples are ever up except Grenth once every two days, and half the way points are down because people won’t finish the events |:

Don’t worry, this hero will deal with the evil General Andarzbad at once! Some help would be appreciated, though.

I did manage to knock a few waypoints back online earlier, and cap Dwayna while the Zergs were molesting Cursed Shore.

But yeah, otherwise it’s CS nodes → ML Nodes → Southsun Nodes → FG Nodes → Farming pavilion.

The problem none of you realize is you are all being giant kitten to each other. Like if you are part of the zerg you are a pariah, or if you are against the zerg you are a greifer or troll. Remove this one situation and you’d all be getting along fine but add in something like this and you all lose your kitten minds.

None of you are right. You have no respect for anyone who doesn’t agree with your point of view and you go out of your way to let them know. I’ve never seen anyone rage so much because someone tried to complete an event. On the other side I’ve never seen people go so out of their way to act superior and champion some cause. We’re talking about a champ farm in GW2 not feeding hungry children here people, get over yourselves.

Now we have guilds going from server to server intentionally completing the event to prevent others from farming it. Are they doing it because they need access to vendors there or just really need to complete the event? No. They are doing it for the sole purpose to stop others from farming. As soon as they complete the event, they leave to the next one laughing and taunting people.

Then there is the farmers raging so badly, threatening death on people. Obviously empty threats but come on folks, seriously? You all need to get over yourselves.

Anet has recognized this as a downside to the current changes, maybe they will make a change to it, maybe they won’t. They definitely have stated they like that it has gotten people to group together, and that they need to look at making completing events more rewarding, but not a kitten thing about it being an exploit.

Let’s stop this stupidity and pretend we all actually belong to a race of civil people who can interact and disagree with each other without being mortal enemies.

kitten .

[Zraw] is always happy to help out those who are not good enough to complete events

Poledo.3256:

None of you are right. You have no respect for anyone who doesn’t agree with your point of view

What does POV have to do with anything? So I take it you don’t do CS temples daily, or a few times a week or whatever. And you don’t care if those that do are forced out. That seems more of a POV than anything. But in practice, I haven’t been able to do those temples for days, that’s my game play! Or a good portion of it. So what do you do? And what you do, think how you would feel if a 250 man zerg shut you out of your portion of the game, over an exploit. That would be cool? Seriously. Then maybe I can come on forums and tell you to quit your kittening and say your POV is fail? Then you can sit there and figure out something else to do. fun-fun

If it’s not nerfed by tonight, we should invite Nikaido.

Terra Noise [Zraw], being a friendly bunch of helpful players since 2008.

So you do understand that this is a situation that shouldn’t exist and will be changed.

Yes, all farmers wish to be left alone to exploit the event. But their obnoxiousness is also exactly why they won’t get it. Pity it wasn’t some out of the way obscure event. If so, perhaps there’d be less of an issue for everyone.

With the patch looming, my guild chose today to bring our newly Lv80s through Orr. We enjoyed completing certain events so much, we did it again and again!

Don’t put words in my mouth.

Yes the event will change, there was never any doubt it would.
It is not an exploit and even if it was Anet has said nothing to indicate they don’t want people to have the loot drops even though they prefer the events to be completed, in fact Colin said they think the drops are great.

As for who started this crap, you and your fellow travelers are to blame for griefing the event chain. People who are farming only reacted to your behavior.

I hate to say it,

But any group can just run up, hit the two devises, summon the event ender chamion Azarbad, then at range, plink away until its 20% away from ding and then everyone else joins in to kill it at that point. There is no real need for this to become dramatic. This game titles managers are smart, they see it as something that’s bringing the community together, although, they realize that it would be better if it was to succeed at an event then to choose to not succeed at it.

The players can sort the problems to fixing the ember/ meddler event, I for one like the developers approach, it gives them the opportunity to see what classes are in demand for grouping, and what are least in demand and why.

The real place to do this is crown pavilion, and a solution would have been more champions and faster respawns between events.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

VOLKON.1290:

Ashabhi.1365:

better solution:

Don’t tie the event to Arah…. Then we know that there won’t be any legitimate progressionists that are completing the event. Easy to tell the griefers from the players that way.

As I said…griefing is griefing. Doesn’t matter which side you’re on.

Completing an event that is intended to be completed is never going to be taken as griefing. Insulting players, however, that are trying to complete the event could get you in trouble.

Griefers like you make the community a very hostile place. I can only hope Anet will see these responses and properly ban those who are harassing farmers for no other reason then trying to make people mad.

I really hope you’re just trolling here, because if you’re serious….you need a reality check.

If you think ANet is going to ban people for completing an event that others are intentionally failing for farming purposes….you’re kidding yourself in a very baffling way.

Daywolf.2630:

Poledo.3256:

None of you are right. You have no respect for anyone who doesn’t agree with your point of view

What does POV have to do with anything? So I take it you don’t do CS temples daily, or a few times a week or whatever. And you don’t care if those that do are forced out. That seems more of a POV than anything. But in practice, I haven’t been able to do those temples for days, that’s my game play! Or a good portion of it. So what do you do? And what you do, think how you would feel if a 250 man zerg shut you out of your portion of the game, over an exploit. That would be cool? Seriously. Then maybe I can come on forums and tell you to quit your kittening and say your POV is fail? Then you can sit there and figure out something else to do. fun-fun

I do the same thing I have always done. If I need access to something, I see what server has it up and I guest there. It takes me 30 seconds to camp to login, select guest server and log in and WP to the temple I want. This is just another excuse used to justify this mentality.

If the champ farm goes away, I will still use the guest feature to access open temples unless I really feel like I want to do the event. Usually though, when I want access it’s because I have something I feel like picking up and prefer to find one that is already open on another server.

Also the “250 man zerg” is affecting one camp, one temple. I am not saying that is ok, but you are portraying it as effecting “temples”.

Again I am saying there is issues on both sides. This doesn’t justify the actions or tactics I see being used by either side. The farmers (generally speaking) don’t care about how it is effecting others because they are getting what they want. The non-farmers (generally speaking) are lashing back because of the attitude of some of the farmers and out of some artificially inflated justice code they have trumped up to feel good about it. Really I think it’s a lot of trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls at this point.

It just adds a nice sugar coating and because the mob rallies behind one side or the other both parties continue to feel vindicated and supported in what they do.

*I say generally speaking because not everyone is acting like a total kitten during this.

I’ll hit the farm occasionally and pick up some chests. If someone completes the event, I don’t get mad, because they have the right to do so. I do shake my head when I see them bragging and boasting about it doing it just to stop the farm. I also shake my head at the people on the zerg whom I see getting completely outraged and just going off on people. It’s sad, and it encourages them even more.

What I will do is guest somewhere else if I want to continue and if it happens there I will go do something else. The last thing I want to do is mess with anyone’s enjoyment of the game whether it’s some farmer or someone who truly does want to complete the event. My point stands, that people are out of hand on both sides, and think it needs to stop. I don’t think it’s right. There are other ways to handle it. It requires give and take from both.

I think we have an awful lot of people who suddenly need to see this event complete recently though. I’m honestly questioning the sincerity in their intent. I don’t see it changing anytime soon and it makes me sad that this type of thing goes on. Yeah it is very common in MMO’s and the internet in general today. Doesn’t mean it should be. People have lost all perspective and therefore have no respect or common decency.

I think people are getting fed up with “trolling” having become this perpetual motion machine and I hope more will stand up to it instead of jumping on the wagon.

folly dragon.4126:

The real place to do this is crown pavilion, and a solution would have been more champions and faster respawns between events.

This would have been ideal. As it is there is always a massive zerg and overflows for the pavillion. If there was more champs there it might alleviate the challenges we’re seeing with places like embers. The change to champ loot was a good thing, it has had some positive effects but also so much negativity.

Anet has some work to do and I hope they make the right choices, and don’t get heavy handed and knee jerk in reaction to it. I’d hate to be a developer I’ll tell you that.

I very rarely post on the forums but I wanted to say I agree with you 100% Poledo

Hickeroar.9734:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

VOLKON.1290:

Ashabhi.1365:

better solution:

Don’t tie the event to Arah…. Then we know that there won’t be any legitimate progressionists that are completing the event. Easy to tell the griefers from the players that way.

As I said…griefing is griefing. Doesn’t matter which side you’re on.

Completing an event that is intended to be completed is never going to be taken as griefing. Insulting players, however, that are trying to complete the event could get you in trouble.

Griefers like you make the community a very hostile place. I can only hope Anet will see these responses and properly ban those who are harassing farmers for no other reason then trying to make people mad.

I really hope you’re just trolling here, because if you’re serious….you need a reality check.

If you think ANet is going to ban people for completing an event that others are intentionally failing for farming purposes….you’re kidding yourself in a very baffling way.

The fact that they think that people who complete an event and prevent something from being abused could be banned speaks a lot about their sense of entitlement. They are literally entitled to a constant, non stop, flowing source of gold falling from the sky into their hands while not having to spend any sort of effort playing the game whatsoever, just pressing 1111111 on staff guardian until loot appears.

This is a very clear cut case of exploiting a broken mechanic, something that anet is obviously going to fix and you think they are going to ban players who are taking your shiny little spot of abuse away from you considering that everytime this event gets completed on the popular servers you slow down the inane rate of inflation for 2 hours?

Sorry guys, have some reality check. Anet never, and will never intend, for an almost afk autoattack spot to let you get more gold than almost every single other in game activity ever. This is an abused event, and in no way an intended design by anet. You’re not being griefed when we take away that little spot from your hands, you’re being made to actually work if you want the dough. Taking away your spot of abuse is in no way remotely comparable to griefing.

Nikaido.3457:

The fact that they think that people who complete an event and prevent something from being abused could be banned speaks a lot about their sense of entitlement. They are literally entitled to a constant, non stop, flowing source of gold falling from the sky into their hands while not having to spend any sort of effort playing the game whatsoever, just pressing 1111111 on staff guardian until loot appears.

Don’t worry, I’ll send you an invite to [Zraw] once I log on.

•Reduced the time to fail timer and increased the restart timer on the event to secure Shank Anchorage in the Cursed Shore.

Latest patch update.

Nikaido.3457:

Hickeroar.9734:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

VOLKON.1290:

Ashabhi.1365:

better solution:

Don’t tie the event to Arah…. Then we know that there won’t be any legitimate progressionists that are completing the event. Easy to tell the griefers from the players that way.

As I said…griefing is griefing. Doesn’t matter which side you’re on.

Completing an event that is intended to be completed is never going to be taken as griefing. Insulting players, however, that are trying to complete the event could get you in trouble.

Griefers like you make the community a very hostile place. I can only hope Anet will see these responses and properly ban those who are harassing farmers for no other reason then trying to make people mad.

I really hope you’re just trolling here, because if you’re serious….you need a reality check.

If you think ANet is going to ban people for completing an event that others are intentionally failing for farming purposes….you’re kidding yourself in a very baffling way.

The fact that they think that people who complete an event and prevent something from being abused could be banned speaks a lot about their sense of entitlement. They are literally entitled to a constant, non stop, flowing source of gold falling from the sky into their hands while not having to spend any sort of effort playing the game whatsoever, just pressing 1111111 on staff guardian until loot appears.

This is a very clear cut case of exploiting a broken mechanic, something that anet is obviously going to fix and you think they are going to ban players who are taking your shiny little spot of abuse away from you considering that everytime this event gets completed on the popular servers you slow down the inane rate of inflation for 2 hours?

Sorry guys, have some reality check. Anet never, and will never intend, for an almost afk autoattack spot to let you get more gold than almost every single other in game activity ever. This is an abused event, and in no way an intended design by anet. You’re not being griefed when we take away that little spot from your hands, you’re being made to actually work if you want the dough. Taking away your spot of abuse is in no way remotely comparable to griefing.

When you set out to stop something others are enjoying for just for the sake of stopping it, you are indeed an kitten . It’s that cut and dry. Whether they should be doing it or not is beside the point. If you truly want to resolve the situation you would be part of the solution not contributing to furthering the problem and the divide among players.

I am sorry I don’t buy your sincerity and working for the good of the community bit.

[Quote]Don’t worry, I’ll send you an invite to [Zraw] once I log on.[/Quote]

Another part of the problem pretending to be the solution.

The community exists as a whole, people you like, people you don’t like, people that play a way you agree with, people that don’t. When you recognize that and work to encompass all their interests in your crusade of doing good for the community let me know. Until then you are griefing.

Hebee.8460:

•Reduced the time to fail timer and increased the restart timer on the event to secure Shank Anchorage in the Cursed Shore.

Latest patch update.

That is a great start. Hopefully this helps. People can still get some farming, people can complete the event, and with a higher restart timer on the event, it sounds like a win/win.

crosses fingers

Poledo.3256:

If you truly want to resolve the situation you would be part of the solution not contributing to furthering the problem and the divide among players.

We don’t want to solve the division between the players, we honestly don’t care about that. We care that this stupid farm is (was, we’ll see) the economy. So as far as I can see, we were part of the solution.

Poledo.3256:

When you recognize that and work to encompass all their interests in your crusade of doing good for the community let me know. Until then you are griefing.

Oh wow, your little speech really made me change my mind about this, and I will run around giving everyone compliments and writing poems and I’ll love everyone from now on!

Oh wait I won’t, I still don’t care.

Hebee.8460:

• Reduced the time to fail timer and increased the restart timer on the event to secure Shank Anchorage in the Cursed Shore.

Latest patch update.

What the hell does this note even mean? I have to set this event up everyday and even a 5 minute difference can throw our entire night of Temple completion completely off (that sounds crazy, I know, but it’s just how the whole thing works … there’s a very specific order for everyone like basically a map full of Soupkittens and if 1 little thing is off then NO SOUP FOR ANYONE)

Bright.9160:

Poledo.3256:

If you truly want to resolve the situation you would be part of the solution not contributing to furthering the problem and the divide among players.

We don’t want to solve the division between the players, we honestly don’t care about that. We care that this stupid farm is (was, we’ll see) the economy. So as far as I can see, we were part of the solution.

Poledo.3256:

When you recognize that and work to encompass all their interests in your crusade of doing good for the community let me know. Until then you are griefing.

Oh wow, your little speech really made me change my mind about this, and I will run around giving everyone compliments and writing poems and I’ll love everyone from now on!

Oh wait I won’t, I still don’t care.

No sir, you are the problem. Sadly you may never get it. As you say, you don’t care how it effects the community, so I am not sure why we should respect your feelings on the matter.

ilr.9675:

Hebee.8460:

• Reduced the time to fail timer and increased the restart timer on the event to secure Shank Anchorage in the Cursed Shore.

Latest patch update.

What the hell does this note even mean? I have to set this event up everyday and even a 5 minute difference can throw our entire night of Temple completion completely off (that sounds crazy, I know, but it’s just how the whole thing works … there’s a very specific order for everyone like basically a map full of Soupkittens and if 1 little thing is off then NO SOUP FOR ANYONE)

It would seem that the event will occur more often, so this shouldn’t effect you being able to do this. If it works how it sounds, it should give you more variety on when you can do it.

However it remains to be seen if that is how it works. I can’t see it throwing the night of temple completion off anymore than the zerg farm already was anyway.

Poledo.3256:

ilr.9675:

Hebee.8460:

• Reduced the time to fail timer and increased the restart timer on the event to secure Shank Anchorage in the Cursed Shore.

Latest patch update.

What the hell does this note even mean? I have to set this event up everyday and even a 5 minute difference can throw our entire night of Temple completion completely off (that sounds crazy, I know, but it’s just how the whole thing works … there’s a very specific order for everyone like basically a map full of Soupkittens and if 1 little thing is off then NO SOUP FOR ANYONE)

It would seem that the event will occur more often, so this shouldn’t effect you being able to do this. If it works how it sounds, it should give you more variety on when you can do it.

However it remains to be seen if that is how it works. I can’t see it throwing the night of temple completion off anymore than the zerg farm already was anyway.

I think you have it backwards. Increasing the restart timer means the event will happen less often if it fails. The time between fail and restart try has increased. I read it as this: the actual timer countdown of the event (meaning how long you have to actually kill the cauldrons and defeat the champ that spawns once the cauldrons have been defeated) has decreased. Meaning if you are “farming” you have less actual time to farm and for champs to spawn. Then once the event has “failed” you now have to wait longer to start the chain all over again. This is Anet’s initial attempt to curb some of the farming. Though I could be mistaken as I am currently not playing the game.

Poledo.3256:

ilr.9675:

Hebee.8460:

• Reduced the time to fail timer and increased the restart timer on the event to secure Shank Anchorage in the Cursed Shore.

Latest patch update.

What the hell does this note even mean? I have to set this event up everyday and even a 5 minute difference can throw our entire night of Temple completion completely off (that sounds crazy, I know, but it’s just how the whole thing works … there’s a very specific order for everyone like basically a map full of Soupkittens and if 1 little thing is off then NO SOUP FOR ANYONE)

It would seem that the event will occur more often, so this shouldn’t effect you being able to do this. If it works how it sounds, it should give you more variety on when you can do it.

However it remains to be seen if that is how it works. I can’t see it throwing the night of temple completion off anymore than the zerg farm already was anyway.

In order for the event to occur more frequently, the restart timer would have to have been reduced. When you increase a timer, you’re adding time, not subtracting. Look at the first phrase, “Reduced the time to fail timer”.

CelebrityX.7014:

Poledo.3256:

ilr.9675:

Hebee.8460:

• Reduced the time to fail timer and increased the restart timer on the event to secure Shank Anchorage in the Cursed Shore.

Latest patch update.

What the hell does this note even mean? I have to set this event up everyday and even a 5 minute difference can throw our entire night of Temple completion completely off (that sounds crazy, I know, but it’s just how the whole thing works … there’s a very specific order for everyone like basically a map full of Soupkittens and if 1 little thing is off then NO SOUP FOR ANYONE)

It would seem that the event will occur more often, so this shouldn’t effect you being able to do this. If it works how it sounds, it should give you more variety on when you can do it.

However it remains to be seen if that is how it works. I can’t see it throwing the night of temple completion off anymore than the zerg farm already was anyway.

I think you have it backwards. Increasing the restart timer means the event will happen less often if it fails. The time between fail and restart try has increased. I read it as this: the actual timer countdown of the event (meaning how long you have to actually kill the cauldrons and defeat the champ that spawns once the cauldrons have been defeated) has decreased. Meaning if you are “farming” you have less actual time to farm and for champs to spawn. Then once the event has “failed” you now have to wait longer to start the chain all over again. This is Anet’s initial attempt to curb some of the farming. Though I could be mistaken as I am currently not playing the game.

Hmm you may be right. I read it as they shortened the time it would take to fail, but that the event will spawn more frequently. So in a way the farmers lose out on 10 minutes of straight farming as this time has been reduced, but that the event will spawn more often so in way they don’t lose out so much as they just have to do it more. This also gives people more chances to complete the event. It seems like a win/win kinda deal. Farmers can still farm but more chances for it to be completed by those that want to?

I dunno..

Edit – I wonder if they decreased the time for it spawn if the event does succeed as well.

Okay well that’s just totally pointless and further penalizes those of us who actually want to Complete the event. All they had to do here, was give it the Risen Giant + Risen Presence treatment, IE: As soon as the quota of about … what 20 Embers get killed?… The Cauldrons could just explode on their own and STOP SPAWNING EASY FARM MOBS. …That’s not difficult to code. They did it to the Giant Champ in 1 afternoon.

I could do it right now if the code was in front of me. It’s just a Count+1 loop function, really darn easy and I know for a fact they already have a function for that in their map/event editor tools which makes it even easier. …the only thing their actual change here accomplishes, is making the farmers guest to more than 1 server so they have to alternate but they’re still getting the same abusive no-risk high speed-reward scenario

And am I reading that one dev post right?? They closed down some part of the Pavillion that was farmed so now even more people are going to heading here to farm too??

Poledo.3256:

Bright.9160:

Poledo.3256:

If you truly want to resolve the situation you would be part of the solution not contributing to furthering the problem and the divide among players.

We don’t want to solve the division between the players, we honestly don’t care about that. We care that this stupid farm is (was, we’ll see) the economy. So as far as I can see, we were part of the solution.

Poledo.3256:

When you recognize that and work to encompass all their interests in your crusade of doing good for the community let me know. Until then you are griefing.

Oh wow, your little speech really made me change my mind about this, and I will run around giving everyone compliments and writing poems and I’ll love everyone from now on!

Oh wait I won’t, I still don’t care.

No sir, you are the problem. Sadly you may never get it. As you say, you don’t care how it effects the community, so I am not sure why we should respect your feelings on the matter.

Indeed, I honestly don’t care about the community, because I don’t communicate with it. I don’t PUG, I don’t use map chat etc, because people in this game (and in general really) are idiots. If I play, I do it with friends and guildies whom I know I like.

I don’t see how you’re disrespecting my feelings on the matter, especially seeing how I hardly have any feelings on the matter. All I know is that I read on here that people are now just alternating servers to do the farm…

Meaning that we can go help people complete the event again! It seems like they had such a hard time with that. Them tears will be rolling in again.

I really should have started doing that stuff earlier, I hardly ever have so much fun in this game.

Bright.9160:

Poledo.3256:

Bright.9160:

Poledo.3256:

If you truly want to resolve the situation you would be part of the solution not contributing to furthering the problem and the divide among players.

We don’t want to solve the division between the players, we honestly don’t care about that. We care that this stupid farm is (was, we’ll see) the economy. So as far as I can see, we were part of the solution.

Poledo.3256:

When you recognize that and work to encompass all their interests in your crusade of doing good for the community let me know. Until then you are griefing.

Oh wow, your little speech really made me change my mind about this, and I will run around giving everyone compliments and writing poems and I’ll love everyone from now on!

Oh wait I won’t, I still don’t care.

No sir, you are the problem. Sadly you may never get it. As you say, you don’t care how it effects the community, so I am not sure why we should respect your feelings on the matter.

Indeed, I honestly don’t care about the community, because I don’t communicate with it. I don’t PUG, I don’t use map chat etc, because people in this game (and in general really) are idiots. If I play, I do it with friends and guildies whom I know I like.

I don’t see how you’re disrespecting my feelings on the matter, especially seeing how I hardly have any feelings on the matter. All I know is that I read on here that people are now just alternating servers to do the farm…

Meaning that we can go help people complete the event again! It seems like they had such a hard time with that. Them tears will be rolling in again.

I really should have started doing that stuff earlier, I hardly ever have so much fun in this game.

So you’re a self admitted kitten. I don’t really need to say anymore then.

Poledo.3256:

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So if I read this right you are basically saying that no you don’t do temples there and you don’t know how they work. You don’t know the damage the exploit farming hoards are doing to the regular players there, and you don’t care. Your game consists of jumping from server to server looking for farming zergs and such things?

No, this doesn’t just effect one temple. If you have done temples, you would understand that we clear anchorage and the arah assault first, then we have the WP and a set amount of time to complete grenth. This closes out two temples of three, and the third is pointless to wait in the zone for that one event to start w/o the other two to do as well. Just fail, understand now?

Additionally, we often have the same people doing temples every evening. We group together. It’s actually a community in a sense. It’s not always just some random grouping with like in farm zergs or something, and groups are generally friendly there apart form someone (newbies) that freaks out in chat now and then because we failed grenth for the second time and squeezing in a third attempt before we loose the WP. This exploit garbage isn’t building a strong gaming community, like with people we group with often at CS and also with our guilds coming in there, this is just opportunists taking advantage of an exploit to get something in a lazy fashion. Yes we hope to get something, and a chance at a precurser drop from the boss chest, but this exploit has not only denied us of doing this at CS any longer, but has also disrupted out regular groups that play there.

You may have a hard time understanding this though, not meant as an insult, but hopping from server to server doesn’t sound like someone really interested in grouping with the regular player base in a high level area, often the same people. Maybe in a guild that rather do their own thing as solo players. Anet may like to promote grouping, but what is happening here is just grouping, not community. Maybe I’m just an old school mmo player, I don’t care so much for the constant random pugs all the time, and be only there to farm and then walk away.

Well, I have yet to patch, I’m hoping this was fixed today. Of course with the new chapter in the living story, CS slows down for a few days as usual. But I really hope this has been fixed today – before the regular players there just completely give up on the temples and go away for good.

Hebee.8460:

•Reduced the time to fail timer and increased the restart timer on the event to secure Shank Anchorage in the Cursed Shore.

Latest patch update.

Problem with that is we might have just one group in there or less (at the start of the chain), and we have pushed the limit of the timer with even that little scale-up. We ask weaker players to do something else for a bit, come back later?

But that is if the zergs don’t just move around to other champs there for a bit rather than just standing there waiting for ember to respawn again. So the problem isn’t eliminated, just retuned. Ember/champs need to despawn on fail, problem solved.

Daywolf.2630:

Hebee.8460:

•Reduced the time to fail timer and increased the restart timer on the event to secure Shank Anchorage in the Cursed Shore.

Latest patch update.

Problem with that is we might have just one group in there or less (at the start of the chain), and we have pushed the limit of the timer with even that little scale-up. We ask weaker players to do something else for a bit, come back later?

But that is if the zergs don’t just move around to other champs there for a bit rather than just standing there waiting for ember to respawn again. So the problem isn’t eliminated, just retuned. Ember/champs need to despawn on fail, problem solved.

That won’t fix your concerns.

Champs still spawn till the timer ends. Even with them despawning on fail, there are champs to kill.

Only thing that needed changed was champs to vets.