Guild Wars 2

Wait so now it’s the sigils and not the mesmer itself? Even if both sigils proc, that won’t do the magical voodoo one-shot things you mentioned.

IMO OP is unexperienced.

Lets destroy almost every argument posted on this thread. I didn’t read it all because I cba and I know what people usually complain about.

What mesmer has to avoid power damage: F4 which lasts for a max of 4 seconds (if you have 3 clones up, 99% Of the time you do not) which is on a cca 50 second cooldown. It can be invulnerable through less than 6% of a minute if he has 3 clones up all the time, most of the time he doesn’t so he can only stay immune 3% of a minute at average, all the other 97% you just need to sneeze on him.
If mesmer didn’t have this, there would be 0 way for it to survive and it would be extremely broken as all it takes is a sneeze for the mesmer to loose 50% of his HP.
What mesmer has to avoid condi damage: nothing, put 5 bleed stacks and watch him die in slow, agonizing pain.

The mobility/kiting this is not specific to mesmer. Kiting is a thing every class can do. Just because you don’t know how to kite and some mesmer players do, that means that you are bad, not that the build is OP. Phase retreat is perfectly fine too. Other classes have swiftness, mesmer does not unless he gets it from a teammate or from chaos storm (which is RnG, doesn’t always proc and most of the time is a massive cd waste for the purpose of getting swiftness)

Mes needs an entire team built around it in order to work. It can one shot people, so can thief, so can ele. That is very rare as it takes a lot of setting up to do. If you allow that setup to happen, it’s just because you were outplayed. It’s not the build, it’s the skill.

All this crying about mesmer is unjustified. The real issue is L2P.

And as many have said, crying about mesmer which has damage only and a tiny bit of invuln compared to stuff like dd ele which has sustan, damage, support, mobility or thief that has stealth and a lot of damage or a kittenton of evades + damage + mobility (I don’t mind thieves, but they do have better reasons to be cried about than mesmer) is very narrow minded and silly.

People crying about the fact that mesmer has portal = looool
Also, the “copy paste build” thing is complete bs. almost all dd cele eles have 00266 traits, almost all sf eles have 06044 traits, nothing new.

It is strong at 1v1 against a decent amount of builds and all newbies, but what you are failing to acknowledge is that this game isn’t focused on 1v1, it’s a team fighting game 99% of the time and mesmer is a ton more useful in team fights than it is in 1v1s.

Elitist.8701:

Elitist.8701:

Whyyyyy this thread almost died. Why would you people revive it?!?!?! Shatter Mesmer is not OP period. Anyone that thinks otherwise is… inexperienced at the game. Thats not an opinion its a fact.

Who are you to say that your opinion is a fact. Many disagree as shown in the topic.

I disagree that sqrt(2*sqrt(4) + 2^5) = 6, does that mean it’s not a fact?

I will probably regret posting but oh well. Stop crying and invest the energy into getting half way decent in the game.

xDudisx.5914:

Coulter.2315:

If you’re dying to them at range its because of Fire+Air they need nerf’d. Everyone can see they are stupidly OP and every complain thread about a zerker class since the update can be traced to them.

Can’t agree more with you. The only ones saying sigilf of air+fire are balanced are the ones making use of it: mesmers and thieves.

I’m a Mesmer..

Frenk.5917:

Mesmer takes skill to be played efficiently. Please, do not nerf mesmers.

LMAO, no they dont.

I rolled one today out of curiosity. I played 8 Spvp and 2 Tpvp and facerolled everything i encountered. I barely knew what i was doing. I spammed 1 from greatsword and when cds was up 2,4 combo. And, of course my clones.

The argument can be used I went up against poor players, not 10 wins in a row. And won every solo fight, except against thief.

Mesmer are ezmode gimmick classes.

When you see S Y C L O N E coming your way, u better run because ill autoattck u to death.

SYPHA.9283:

Frenk.5917:

Mesmer takes skill to be played efficiently. Please, do not nerf mesmers.

LMAO, no they dont.

I rolled one today out of curiosity. I played 8 Spvp and 2 Tpvp and facerolled everything i encountered. I barely knew what i was doing. I spammed 1 from greatsword and when cds was up 2,4 combo. And, of course my clones.

The argument can be used I went up against poor players, not 10 wins in a row. And won every solo fight, except against thief.

Mesmer are ezmode gimmick classes.

When you see S Y C L O N E coming your way, u better run because ill autoattck u to death.

Have not find you at http://www.gw2score.com/PvP , maybe you have confused with hotjoin or dungeons…

Stop feeding the troll.

xDudisx.5914:

Amstel Steel.2058:

My question is — and I am not bothered in the least from whatever the original topic was about — is making use of canceling out the after casts by design? A follow up would be will gw2 ever get a bindable key to cancel actions for quality of life considering stow weapon is not as good for some situations as the esc key is or so I’ve read.

Are we meant to know how to increase our dps such as air/fire auto greatsword sans after casts? Obviously, because we can, but it doesn’t look like it is built with it in mind by no quality of life to teach new players how to manipulate their after casts. There is no button designed that shouts out press me to increase your dps.

You can create your own topic.

It adds perspective to your topic.
In the end the mesmer is balanced and balanced for conquest. The only mode other than the soon to be released lord rush.

xDudisx.5914:

@Amstel Steel. nice video. This is a great analogy. When you give too much powerfull spells to mesmers they can even turn you into a defenseless bird, a moa

Jurica.1742:

What mesmer has to avoid power damage: F4 which lasts for a max of 4 seconds (if you have 3 clones up, 99% Of the time you do not) which is on a cca 50 second cooldown. It can be invulnerable through less than 6% of a minute if he has 3 clones up all the time, most of the time he doesn’t so he can only stay immune 3% of a minute at average, all the other 97% you just need to sneeze on him.
If mesmer didn’t have this, there would be 0 way for it to survive and it would be extremely broken as all it takes is a sneeze for the mesmer to loose 50% of his HP.
What mesmer has to avoid condi damage: nothing, put 5 bleed stacks and watch him die in slow, agonizing pain.

First the cd is more like 46s because every single mesmer run 30 points in ilusions to get the overpowered trait illusionary persona. 4/46 is almost 9% up time, but this is not a problem because it is insta cast the mesmer op dmg will burst most classes in a few seconds.

Jurica.1742:

I disagree that sqrt(2*sqrt(4) + 2^5) = 6, does that mean it’s not a fact?

I will probably regret posting but oh well. Stop crying and invest the energy into getting half way decent in the game.

Now you want to compare your opinion with math? Yes clearly your opinion is as trust-able as math. People from all around the world take your opinion as truth without even question. Maybe in your mind.

Jurica.1742:

Mes needs an entire team built around it in order to work. It can one shot people, so can thief, so can ele. That is very rare as it takes a lot of setting up to do. If you allow that setup to happen, it’s just because you were outplayed. It’s not the build, it’s the skill.

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So you are getting one shoted by ele and tell people to l2p? I think you are the problem.
It is not rare and it is not a hard setup, gs 4, gs2, count dodges f3, infinite stacks of vunerability, a few more clones f1= insane dmg.

Jurica.1742:

The mobility/kiting this is not specific to mesmer. Kiting is a thing every class can do. Just because you don’t know how to kite and some mesmer players do, that means that you are bad, not that the build is OP. Phase retreat is perfectly fine too. Other classes have swiftness, mesmer does not unless he gets it from a teammate or from chaos storm (which is RnG, doesn’t always proc and most of the time is a massive cd waste for the purpose of getting swiftness)
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Yes lets pretend every class has a short cooldown, insta cast blink + stealth +another utility blink. Lets also pretend other classes can portal from 1 side to the other of the map.

SYPHA.9283:

Frenk.5917:

Mesmer takes skill to be played efficiently. Please, do not nerf mesmers.

LMAO, no they dont.

I rolled one today out of curiosity. I played 8 Spvp and 2 Tpvp and facerolled everything i encountered. I barely knew what i was doing. I spammed 1 from greatsword and when cds was up 2,4 combo. And, of course my clones.

The argument can be used I went up against poor players, not 10 wins in a row. And won every solo fight, except against thief.

Mesmer are ezmode gimmick classes.

When you see S Y C L O N E coming your way, u better run because ill autoattck u to death.

Thanks for your testimony. See it only need a topic like this and some time and people that think mesmer is broken start to show up. Don’t be afraid of the troll and flamers qqing l2p. We need more people to show up and bring more attention to the cause.

Anton.1769:

SYPHA.9283:

Frenk.5917:

Mesmer takes skill to be played efficiently. Please, do not nerf mesmers.

LMAO, no they dont.

I rolled one today out of curiosity. I played 8 Spvp and 2 Tpvp and facerolled everything i encountered. I barely knew what i was doing. I spammed 1 from greatsword and when cds was up 2,4 combo. And, of course my clones.

The argument can be used I went up against poor players, not 10 wins in a row. And won every solo fight, except against thief.

Mesmer are ezmode gimmick classes.

When you see S Y C L O N E coming your way, u better run because ill autoattck u to death.

Have not find you at http://www.gw2score.com/PvP , maybe you have confused with hotjoin or dungeons…

I was about to say that, you anticipated me.

xDudisx.5914:

First the cd is more like 46s because every single mesmer run 30 points in ilusions to get the overpowered trait illusionary persona. 4/46 is almost 9% up time, but this is not a problem because it is insta cast the mesmer op dmg will burst most classes in a few seconds.

You are neglecting the fact that mesmer won’t have 3 clones up all the time meaning it will rarely have the full 4s. Most of the time it’s 1-3 seconds. It will burst a zerker down if you allow it to burst it down. It’s not too hard to avoid the bursts. Be it in 1v1 or 5v5.

xDudisx.5914:

Now you want to compare your opinion with math? Yes clearly your opinion is as trust-able as math. People from all around the world take your opinion as truth without even question. Maybe in your mind.

Live in your excuse filled life where mesmer is OP, you’ll never be good at PvP if all your reasonings are – this is OP, that is OP ect. Instead of ‘lets see what I’m doing wrong’.
I drew a perfectly viable parallel line. It was meant to show that things can be facts no matter if you disagree with them or not, and the statement that mesmer is not OP is a fact. You fail to realize that because you are being extremely subjective which causes you to lie to yourself and ignore a lot of things people have said so you can continue thinking that you are right even though you are not. You fail to realize that because you want to protect your ego. You could say that I am subjective too, but the fact that I clearly stated that thieves are OK, something that is a perfect counter to my class shows that I am very much so capable of being completely objective.

So you are getting one shoted by ele and tell people to l2p? I think you are the problem.
It is not rare and it is not a hard setup, gs 4, gs2, count dodges f3, infinite stacks of vunerability, a few more clones f1= insane dmg.

lmao, desperate attempt at twisting what I said. Read what I wrote again.
It is hard to setup against semi decent players. If it happens to you a lot, guess what, you need to practice PvP more.
Heres how you counter that rotation, Gs4 = dodge, gs2=dodge. You’re out of dodges, yeah, but the mesmer would be stupid to go use F3 because he would only have the izerker out, diversion is a big cooldown that is saved for interrupting skills, not setting up bursts. You don’t see mesmers doing this often. If he was stupid, that would give you 5 stacks of vulnerability, by the time he managed to get a few more clones up (in this case he would have to dodge to make them, which is a massive waste of dodges) and shattered them, the clones would run from him to you and you would have 1 or 2 dodges again. either kill the clones while kiting them or simply dodge as they come to you = burst avoided. Now you’re free to burst him as he is low on dodges. You now force him to use distortion which will last 1 second as he has no clones up (if you’re quick enough which you should be), then decoy, wait for him to come out of stealth, he has some of his offensive abilities back, but he is low on defensive. Now all you need is some pressure to keep him from attacking you and you win. This shows how subjective you are and how unexperienced in actual PvP that should make anyone question the seriousness of your post and it is making me question if it’s worth debating with you anymore.

xDudisx.5914:

Yes lets pretend every class has a short cooldown, insta cast blink + stealth +another utility blink. Lets also pretend other classes can portal from 1 side to the other of the map.

30s is not chort cd. It’s a massive cooldown to blow for a mesmer, stealth? You have decoy which is barely 2 seconds, 30s CD, massive cooldown to use and mass invis which is 90s cd, 5s stealth and an incredibly long cast that anyone can interrupt. The ‘blink’ you are talking about is called phase retreat. It is short cooldown and it is like 400 range It can be directed but it’s very hard to position yourself in a fight to port where you want to. You cna use it to port up walls but you need to know the exact spot from where you can do this which again, in a fight isn’t always easy to find.
Portal doesn’t reach that far. It can reach from the graveyard to quarry or waterfall at most. It also needs to be placed in such fashion that the mesmer walks over to a quarry or waterfall, places the portal, walks back to mid and then he can activate it. You also only have 60s from when you place it to put it back and it’s not a short cooldown either, good portal placement is really hard to do as well and takes a lot of thinking ahead.
ele has 900 range blink, thief has a billion ports and dodges too.

Stop crying on forums and go practice. Thanks for reminding me why I stay away from forums.

Terrorsquad.2349:

Stop feeding the troll.

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Terrorsquad.2349:

Stop feeding the troll.

kolompi.1287:

Wait so now it’s the sigils and not the mesmer itself? Even if both sigils proc, that won’t do the magical voodoo one-shot things you mentioned.

I giggled.. I’d love to have those magical voodoo one-shots on my mesmer..

and I’d conquer..

Oooooh yeeeaaah….

I totally agree shatter mesmer is way too overpower and needs a toned down

Dustin.2793:

I totally agree shatter mesmer is way too overpower and needs a toned down

Are you being serious?

I am seeing lots of complaints asking for nerfs in engies, ele, rangers, mesmers. If all those are OP, we have a balance between at least 4 classes. Given that at least guardian and necromancer are certainly viable, and I don’t know about the state of warriors and thieves, I guess the “unbalanced” argument may not be true.

I think people tend to justify the lack of ability to learn how to counter other classes with the argument that all other classes are OP.

Play one of the classes you think is OP, and you quickly learn that this class has a lot of weaknesses and you won’t be “autoattacking” or hitting 1,2,3,4,5 and killing everyone.

Can you guys please stop writing down bs bout shatter mesmers and just go back to your celestial eles and keep spamming? Please..

I know i am actually bumping the thread but the problem is, he is not a troll, he is on a crusade against mesmers. No facts, no experience, nothing will persuade him that he is actually talking nonsense.

kolompi.1287:

I know i am actually bumping the thread but the problem is, he is not a troll, he is on a crusade against mesmers. No facts, no experience, nothing will persuade him that he is actually talking nonsense.

Don’t take stuff personal. I am just exposing my opinion in my topic on the foruns =).
This is not a crusade against mesmer, is trying to seek more balance and tone down the op build. All the other mesmer builds other than shatter are ok.

Of course they are “ok” because they don’t have any burst potential, they have not enough sustain to stay on a point to cap it. If mesmers would run any other build they would be absolutely ignorable in any pvp match because they would not do anything useful.

xDudisx.5914:

kolompi.1287:

I know i am actually bumping the thread but the problem is, he is not a troll, he is on a crusade against mesmers. No facts, no experience, nothing will persuade him that he is actually talking nonsense.

Don’t take stuff personal. I am just exposing my opinion in my topic on the foruns =).
This is not a crusade against mesmer, is trying to seek more balance and tone down the op build. All the other mesmer builds other than shatter are ok.

This was so good it is now my sig.. good job dud..keep the trolls rolling
:P

xDudisx.5914:

kolompi.1287:

I know i am actually bumping the thread but the problem is, he is not a troll, he is on a crusade against mesmers. No facts, no experience, nothing will persuade him that he is actually talking nonsense.

Don’t take stuff personal. I am just exposing my opinion in my topic on the foruns =).
This is not a crusade against mesmer, is trying to seek more balance and tone down the op build. All the other mesmer builds other than shatter are ok.

Well, exposing an opinion is legit but everyone who is exposing an opinion should aquire some propensity for information before expressing his opinion.

Like http://www.gw2score.com/PvP shows up, you have done no more than 90 tourney, aka nothing.

After 90 tourney (aka nothing) you feel like to be able to express opinion about “balance” of a game who clearly you have still to learn to deal with.

This is not a balance issue.

This is a behaviour issue.

You should FIRST learn to play before taking into consideration to express any kind of opinion about balace of this or another game.

The 90% of reasons you bring to show up how much mesmer is Op are clearly related just to your lack of personal gameplay due to your absence of experience in this game.

Your attitude to complain for your fail asking dev to nerf your enemy (after only 90 tourney played) rather than take your time to learn like everyone else has done its kitten for balace in gw or any other game.

Its not about “take it personal”, you have simply no clue about what are you speaking about and its kinda embarassing you arent realizing it by yourself.

bye

aelfwe.4239:

xDudisx.5914:

kolompi.1287:

I know i am actually bumping the thread but the problem is, he is not a troll, he is on a crusade against mesmers. No facts, no experience, nothing will persuade him that he is actually talking nonsense.

Don’t take stuff personal. I am just exposing my opinion in my topic on the foruns =).
This is not a crusade against mesmer, is trying to seek more balance and tone down the op build. All the other mesmer builds other than shatter are ok.

Well, exposing an opinion is legit but everyone who is exposing an opinion should aquire some propensity for information before expressing his opinion.

Like http://www.gw2score.com/PvP shows up, you have done no more than 90 tourney, aka nothing.

After 90 tourney (aka nothing) you feel like to be able to express opinion about “balance” of a game who clearly you have still to learn to deal with.

This is not a balance issue.

This is a behaviour issue.

You should FIRST learn to play before taking into consideration to express any kind of opinion about balace of this or another game.

The 90% of reasons you bring to show up how much mesmer is Op are clearly related just to your lack of personal gameplay due to your absence of experience in this game.

Your attitude to complain for your fail asking dev to nerf your enemy (after only 90 tourney played) rather than take your time to learn like everyone else has done its kitten for balace in gw or any other game.

Its not about “take it personal”, you have simply no clue about what are you speaking about and its kinda embarassing you arent realizing it by yourself.

bye

I have about 250 in soloQ, I dont play much teamQ because I dont have a 5 fixed team. Anyone that played this game for + than 1 week can see the what builds are op. This is a game is not like you having twice the number of match I have doesn’t give you a degree on gw2balance or anything. Btw you played about twice the number of match that I’ve played and still never got in the top 500 in either solo or team qeueu. Even considering how easy that is.

You dont need to be a chef to give your opinion about food. You dont need to be Cristiano Ronaldo to talk about soccer. Let’s not lose the focus of this thread. Let’s discuss ideas and not personal attacks. A lot of players have already shown support my post. More than 5k views, we are close to the ‘celestial engi’ topic. The more people view the easier it is to spread the ideas.

The only reason for that is cuz fools like myself keep bumping this nonsense. -_- You won’t even CONSIDER the detailed and thoughtful posts and reasons people give you as to why shatter Mesmer is fine. You simply choose to ignore people and spit biased and untrue “facts” to support your claim.

The only reason I can think that this thread hasn’t been moved/locked is because the mods are ungodly amused right now by how silly this all is… Or they’re doing a case study on experienced players opinions versus inexperienced.

You’re not here for an intelligent discussion because you’ve done nothing but ignore the most intelligent rebukes to your silly claims.

xDudisx.5914:

aelfwe.4239:

xDudisx.5914:

kolompi.1287:

I know i am actually bumping the thread but the problem is, he is not a troll, he is on a crusade against mesmers. No facts, no experience, nothing will persuade him that he is actually talking nonsense.

Don’t take stuff personal. I am just exposing my opinion in my topic on the foruns =).
This is not a crusade against mesmer, is trying to seek more balance and tone down the op build. All the other mesmer builds other than shatter are ok.

Well, exposing an opinion is legit but everyone who is exposing an opinion should aquire some propensity for information before expressing his opinion.

Like http://www.gw2score.com/PvP shows up, you have done no more than 90 tourney, aka nothing.

After 90 tourney (aka nothing) you feel like to be able to express opinion about “balance” of a game who clearly you have still to learn to deal with.

This is not a balance issue.

This is a behaviour issue.

You should FIRST learn to play before taking into consideration to express any kind of opinion about balace of this or another game.

The 90% of reasons you bring to show up how much mesmer is Op are clearly related just to your lack of personal gameplay due to your absence of experience in this game.

Your attitude to complain for your fail asking dev to nerf your enemy (after only 90 tourney played) rather than take your time to learn like everyone else has done its kitten for balace in gw or any other game.

Its not about “take it personal”, you have simply no clue about what are you speaking about and its kinda embarassing you arent realizing it by yourself.

bye

I have about 250 in soloQ, I dont play much teamQ because I dont have a 5 fixed team. Anyone that played this game for + than 1 week can see the what builds are op. This is a game is not like you having twice the number of match I have doesn’t give you a degree on gw2balance or anything. Btw you played about twice the number of match that I’ve played and still never got in the top 500 in either solo or team qeueu. Even considering how easy that is.

Just to be detailed, gw2score, you have TOTAL 250 tourney done.

I have 1k tourney done.

You have been in ladder with 20 tourney.

Even monkey know what mmr is.

Ive been in ladder with 1k tourney.

Do 1k tourney with 25% win ratio as you had today and come back here to show what your place will be in ladder <3

i wont trade my 600th place in eu with 1k tourney with your 200th place with 20 tourney in na for nothing in the world.

In before 1k tourney isnt twice of “250”, or would you call math “opinion” too?

xDudisx.5914:

You dont need to be a chef to give your opinion about food. You dont need to be Cristiano Ronaldo to talk about soccer. Let’s not lose the focus of this thread. Let’s discuss ideas and not personal attacks. A lot of players have already shown support my post. More than 5k views, we are close to the ‘celestial engi’ topic. The more people view the easier it is to spread the ideas.

You need to have tasted different foods to know if a single food is good.

You need to have seen difference soccer player to know if a soccer player is good.

But you have tasted no food, you have seen no player, you have 200 match in 7 month and you dare to speak of balance of a game.

Every single man in the world need experience to do proper everything, outside you balancing gw2.

keep on man

/cry

aelfwe.4239:

xDudisx.5914:

aelfwe.4239:

xDudisx.5914:

kolompi.1287:

I know i am actually bumping the thread but the problem is, he is not a troll, he is on a crusade against mesmers. No facts, no experience, nothing will persuade him that he is actually talking nonsense.

Don’t take stuff personal. I am just exposing my opinion in my topic on the foruns =).
This is not a crusade against mesmer, is trying to seek more balance and tone down the op build. All the other mesmer builds other than shatter are ok.

Well, exposing an opinion is legit but everyone who is exposing an opinion should aquire some propensity for information before expressing his opinion.

Like http://www.gw2score.com/PvP shows up, you have done no more than 90 tourney, aka nothing.

After 90 tourney (aka nothing) you feel like to be able to express opinion about “balance” of a game who clearly you have still to learn to deal with.

This is not a balance issue.

This is a behaviour issue.

You should FIRST learn to play before taking into consideration to express any kind of opinion about balace of this or another game.

The 90% of reasons you bring to show up how much mesmer is Op are clearly related just to your lack of personal gameplay due to your absence of experience in this game.

Your attitude to complain for your fail asking dev to nerf your enemy (after only 90 tourney played) rather than take your time to learn like everyone else has done its kitten for balace in gw or any other game.

Its not about “take it personal”, you have simply no clue about what are you speaking about and its kinda embarassing you arent realizing it by yourself.

bye

I have about 250 in soloQ, I dont play much teamQ because I dont have a 5 fixed team. Anyone that played this game for + than 1 week can see the what builds are op. This is a game is not like you having twice the number of match I have doesn’t give you a degree on gw2balance or anything. Btw you played about twice the number of match that I’ve played and still never got in the top 500 in either solo or team qeueu. Even considering how easy that is.

Just to be detailed, gw2score, you have TOTAL 250 tourney done.

I have 1k tourney done.

You have been in ladder with 20 tourney.

Even monkey know what mmr is.

Ive been in ladder with 1k tourney.

Do 1k tourney with 25% win ratio as you had today and come back here to show what your place will be in ladder <3

i wont trade my 600th place in eu with 1k tourney with your 200th place with 20 tourney in na for nothing in the world.

In before 1k tourney isnt twice of “250”, or would you call math “opinion” too?

xDudisx.5914:

You dont need to be a chef to give your opinion about food. You dont need to be Cristiano Ronaldo to talk about soccer. Let’s not lose the focus of this thread. Let’s discuss ideas and not personal attacks. A lot of players have already shown support my post. More than 5k views, we are close to the ‘celestial engi’ topic. The more people view the easier it is to spread the ideas.

You need to have tasted different foods to know if a single food is good.

You need to have seen difference soccer player to know if a soccer player is good.

But you have tasted no food, you have seen no player, you have 200 match in 7 month and you dare to speak of balance of a game.

Every single man in the world need experience to do proper everything, outside you balancing gw2.

keep on man

/cry

The number of games does not affect your rank btw. Lol our w/l is almost the same, in fact mine is a little higher. My only mistake was comparing your team queu with my solo queu numbers.

Lol it was not hard at all to stay in 1k when I was playing to get my champion title. With 1 game per week you could stay in top 1k. Now that I have the title I want I dont play many tourneys anymore.

Your last day rating was 0% dont know why you keep the personal attack.

If I bring the turret engi that was in top 5 some months ago would you follow blindly what he says?

“You need to have tasted different foods to know if a single food is good.”
I have all the classes and + than 4k hour in the game overall the game modes together.

->Sigil of air/fire are so broken one guy just made another thread asking for a nerf lols.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

The only reason I can think that this thread hasn’t been moved/locked is because the mods are ungodly amused right now by how silly this all is… Or they’re doing a case study on experienced players opinions versus inexperienced.

Oh now you think that you know what the mods think. I see who is the troll here. Please don’t flame the topic.

xDudisx.5914:

The number of games does not affect your rank btw. Lol our w/l is almost the same, in fact mine is a little higher. My only mistake was comparing your team queu with my solo queu numbers.

Lol it was not hard at all to stay in 1k when I was playing to get my champion title. With 1 game per week you could stay in top 1k. Now that I have the title I want I dont play many tourneys anymore.

Your last day rating was 0% dont know why you keep the personal attack.

If I bring the turret engi that was in top 5 some months ago would you follow blindly what he says?

“You need to have tasted different foods to know if a single food is good.”
I have all the classes and + than 4k hour in the game overall the game modes together.

->Sigil of air/fire are so broken one guy just made another thread asking for a nerf lols.

Wut? Talk rubbish?

There are people in top 100 with less than 20 match played because anet isnt able to do a working ladder, this is due to how mmr work

Reference is https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Leaderboard-rating/first#post4489752

It would be nice for you to start giving a look there to start learn something and stop talking rubbish

You’ve taken into discussion ladder position, that’s the the reason i told you that with few matches, like you, ladder worth nothing.

You can even be in top 100 with just 10 match played.

Obviusely 10 match played + top 100 ladder doesnt means you are pro. It means ladder sux.

This is your case, 200 match in 7 month isnt a realible source to get a proper ladder due to mmr volatily. In before you touch your top ladder position with 20 match.

I know its hard, and i know there’s no way for a guy like you to understand it, even with dev explaination in the link i posted now, but sum its easy:

You could fill the ladder spot you prefer but having done 200 TOTAL TOURNEY BETWEEN TEAM ARENA AND SOLO QUEUE arent enough matches to know the game, for you or everyone else.

And there’s not way for you to changing this, you are a beginner who think to claim for a deserved nerf while everyone see you are just a beginner crying for his own unexperience

I’m sorry, but that’s the point

aelfwe.4239:

xDudisx.5914:

The number of games does not affect your rank btw. Lol our w/l is almost the same, in fact mine is a little higher. My only mistake was comparing your team queu with my solo queu numbers.

Lol it was not hard at all to stay in 1k when I was playing to get my champion title. With 1 game per week you could stay in top 1k. Now that I have the title I want I dont play many tourneys anymore.

Your last day rating was 0% dont know why you keep the personal attack.

If I bring the turret engi that was in top 5 some months ago would you follow blindly what he says?

“You need to have tasted different foods to know if a single food is good.”
I have all the classes and + than 4k hour in the game overall the game modes together.

->Sigil of air/fire are so broken one guy just made another thread asking for a nerf lols.

Wut? Talk rubbish?

There are people in top 100 with less than 20 match played because anet isnt able to do a working ladder, this is due to how mmr work

Reference is https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Leaderboard-rating/first#post4489752

It would be nice for you to start giving a look there to start learn something and stop talking rubbish

You’ve taken into discussion ladder position, that’s the the reason i told you that with few matches, like you, ladder worth nothing.

You can even be in top 100 with just 10 match played.

Obviusely 10 match played + top 100 ladder doesnt means you are pro. It means ladder sux.

This is your case, 200 match in 7 month isnt a realible source to get a proper ladder due to mmr volatily. In before you touch your top ladder position with 20 match.

I know its hard, and i know there’s no way for a guy like you to understand it, even with dev explaination in the link i posted now, but sum its easy:

You could fill the ladder spot you prefer but having done 200 TOTAL TOURNEY BETWEEN TEAM ARENA AND SOLO QUEUE arent enough matches to know the game, for you or everyone else.

And there’s not way for you to changing this, you are a beginner who think to claim for a deserved nerf while everyone see you are just a beginner crying for his own unexperience

I’m sorry, but that’s the point

One thing is play 10 matches, other is 100 or 200. More than 50 is already a great sample size. 50+ matches is already enough to normalize the w/l ratio of a player, you can play more and it wont change much. I can play more 100, 1k, 1kk matches and will keep the same opinion. You believe in the false statement that play more matches implies in agree with you, there is nothing proving this.

Hi frands, Teef Teef Teef Teef here, #1 Thief NA and world’s first Champion Shadow!

Just let this thread go my frands! Mesmer is already in the lower end of balance, its obvious ArenaNet has no intent of nerfing them! Dudis simply needs to practice the game more! He will learn eventually how to fight our Mesmer frands!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

Elitist.8701:

Hi frands, Teef Teef Teef Teef here, #1 Thief NA and world’s first Champion Shadow!

Just let this thread go my frands! Mesmer is already in the lower end of balance, its obvious ArenaNet has no intent of nerfing them! Dudis simply needs to practice the game more! He will learn eventually how to fight our Mesmer frands!

Wahoo! Bye frands!

I lolled, solid gimmick to revive +1

Just joined a match where 8/10 players were a mesmer.
#MesmerNewBowRanger

xDudisx.5914:

Just joined a match where 8/10 players were a mesmer.
#MesmerNewBowRanger

I take mild pride in the fact that I went into a random hotjoin after almost half a year not playing this game and gibbed this guy twice on point before he raged in map chat about Mesmers and logged, provoking this little outburst.

Next time you might not want to 12345 on Nec staff, spam mindlessly into the sword block and kill yourself on confusion because you blew both your transfers muffin.

Sword/sword + staff shatter too stronk folks you heard it here first.

shimmerlessEU.6841:

xDudisx.5914:

Just joined a match where 8/10 players were a mesmer.
#MesmerNewBowRanger

I take mild pride in the fact that I went into a random hotjoin after almost half a year not playing this game and gibbed this guy twice on point before he raged in map chat about Mesmers and logged, provoking this little outburst.

Next time you might not want to 12345 on Nec staff, spam mindlessly into the sword block and kill yourself on confusion because you blew both your transfers muffin.

Sword/sword + staff shatter too stronk folks you heard it here first.

I can’t play my main celestial ele because it has a birthday booster to spend so I made this necro build yesterday. Anyway as a necro and any other classes the biggest problem is always a mesmer due to the skilless faceroll build everyone runs.

It is getting to the point that in every single game 25% or more is playing mesmer.

xDudisx.5914:

shimmerlessEU.6841:

xDudisx.5914:

Just joined a match where 8/10 players were a mesmer.
#MesmerNewBowRanger

I take mild pride in the fact that I went into a random hotjoin after almost half a year not playing this game and gibbed this guy twice on point before he raged in map chat about Mesmers and logged, provoking this little outburst.

Next time you might not want to 12345 on Nec staff, spam mindlessly into the sword block and kill yourself on confusion because you blew both your transfers muffin.

Sword/sword + staff shatter too stronk folks you heard it here first.

I can’t play my main celestial ele because it has a birthday booster to spend so I made this necro build yesterday. Anyway as a necro and any other classes the biggest problem is always a mesmer due to the skilless faceroll build everyone runs.

The skill-less faceroll build? You mean zerk shatter, which I was the only one playing in said hotjoin? Mesmers or shatter, which is it?

Is there any mesmer that still doesnt roll shatter? hahaha
90% of the mesmers are using this with a few changes, because any weapon works in the class. Just need clones + insta cast shatter skills

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Mesmer_-_Double_Ranged_Shatter

Don’t be angry to OP. When he played at least 1k matches he will understand his mistakes, and appologise for this rage to us. I think we all was like OP when we started to PvP: ‘Thieves OP!!, PU OP!!!, Wars OP!!’, but when we received some experience we changed our opinion. Do you remember? Someone need 100 matches to understand it, someone 500, Mans like OP 1000, but result will be similar.

with cheers

Anton.1769:

Don’t be angry to OP. When he played at least 1k matches he will understand his mistakes, and appologise for this rage to us. I think we all was like OP when we started to PvP: ‘Thieves OP!!, PU OP!!!, Wars OP!!’, but when we received some experience we changed our opinion. Do you remember? Someone need 100 matches to understand it, someone 500, Mans like OP 1000, but result will be similar.

with cheers

Thief right now is balanced because they nerfed sword evade spam. Mesmer still waiting for a balance like thief had.

All the metas for other classes are ok and balanced:

-hambow
-celestial ele
-celestial rifle engi or condi engi
-zerk thief
-fearmancer
-bunker guard
-etc..

xDudisx.5914:

Anton.1769:

Don’t be angry to OP. When he played at least 1k matches he will understand his mistakes, and appologise for this rage to us. I think we all was like OP when we started to PvP: ‘Thieves OP!!, PU OP!!!, Wars OP!!’, but when we received some experience we changed our opinion. Do you remember? Someone need 100 matches to understand it, someone 500, Mans like OP 1000, but result will be similar.

with cheers

Thief right now is balanced because they nerfed sword evade spam. Mesmer still waiting for a balance like thief had.

All the metas for other classes are ok and balanced:

-hambow
-celestial ele
-celestial rifle engi or condi engi
-zerk thief
-fearmancer
-bunker guard
-etc..

Wow, you really dont have an idea of balance. Thief was nerfed the wrong way. Steal is utterly broken, while flanking/larcenous was okay due to the high telegraph. They should have removed the 20% steal cd reduction from sleight of hand and put a shared cd on air/fire, problem fixed.
Hambow is still totally broken. Not as strong in 1v1s but combustive shot and AoE cc on such low cd is kittened. Espically when you combine the high mightstacking with intelligence sigil so that you can 1shot on soldiers ammy.
I guess every1 knows that celestial dd needs a nerf. Elemental shielding needs an icd, probably about 20s but instead give them 7-8s protection on aura, this way removing the boon actually helps…
Condi engi is probably the most kittened spec in this game. Running p/s, toolkit/grenades/elixir s is way too easy. 3s block on 20s cd, 3s reflection on 30s cd, defensive stun on 40s cd, 3s invul on 60s cd, 5s stealth on 60s. You simply can’t die in a 1v1 if you have some brain. Toolkit block needs at least a 30s cd. Like many suggested before IP needs to go in its current state too. Make it on switch or w/e, but undodgeable 7s burning is broken.
Terrormancer, i dont even want to start with passive 3s fear procs which are unavoidable on most classes. Simply kittened.
Bunker guard in this state is actually quite balanced, it gives good support but dies quite quickly to conds/direct dmg….

You might see everything you stated is OP imho. But thats how the game is atm. If everything is OP it’s actually balanced for the OP builds, but build diversity cant exist. Every metabuild has either to get towned dont in dmg output or survivability, some in both areas.

Shared cd’s on air/fire, Fireblasts reduced to 2 stacks might, Higher cooldown and uptime on conds/boons so that removing either of them actually pays off.

Just noticed I ran completely off-topic, but w/e…

It’s the morning after and OP is sobering up, expect him to try play this whole thread and his 80+ posts in it as 1 big troll rofl.

xDudisx.5914:

shimmerlessEU.6841:

xDudisx.5914:

Just joined a match where 8/10 players were a mesmer.
#MesmerNewBowRanger

I take mild pride in the fact that I went into a random hotjoin after almost half a year not playing this game and gibbed this guy twice on point before he raged in map chat about Mesmers and logged, provoking this little outburst.

Next time you might not want to 12345 on Nec staff, spam mindlessly into the sword block and kill yourself on confusion because you blew both your transfers muffin.

Sword/sword + staff shatter too stronk folks you heard it here first.

I can’t play my main celestial ele because it has a birthday booster to spend so I made this necro build yesterday. Anyway as a necro and any other classes the biggest problem is always a mesmer due to the skilless faceroll build everyone runs.

Wait. Wait….
This kid wasn’t trolling this whole time?
Ahahahahahahahaha. Sorry but this thread just got even more hilarious.

xDudisx.5914:

kolompi.1287:

I know i am actually bumping the thread but the problem is, he is not a troll, he is on a crusade against mesmers. No facts, no experience, nothing will persuade him that he is actually talking nonsense.

Don’t take stuff personal. I am just exposing my opinion in my topic on the foruns =).
This is not a crusade against mesmer, is trying to seek more balance and tone down the op build. All the other mesmer builds other than shatter are ok.

For ok you mean not viable? Sounds legit

xDudisx.5914:

All the metas for other classes are ok and balanced:

-celestial ele
-celestial rifle engi or condi engi
-fearmancer

Ok there’s no need to continue any further i guess….he’s obviously trolling, stop feeding him plz

xDudisx.5914:

One thing is play 10 matches, other is 100 or 200. More than 50 is already a great sample size. 50+ matches is already enough to normalize the w/l ratio of a player, you can play more and it wont change much. I can play more 100, 1k, 1kk matches and will keep the same opinion. You believe in the false statement that play more matches implies in agree with you, there is nothing proving this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers

Maybe law of large numbers? Bernoulli Theorem?

I feel a bit ashamed for you men… You’re bad at balancing but it seem you are really good at expressing uniformed opinions

xDudisx.5914:

shimmerlessEU.6841:

xDudisx.5914:

Just joined a match where 8/10 players were a mesmer.
#MesmerNewBowRanger

I take mild pride in the fact that I went into a random hotjoin after almost half a year not playing this game and gibbed this guy twice on point before he raged in map chat about Mesmers and logged, provoking this little outburst.

Next time you might not want to 12345 on Nec staff, spam mindlessly into the sword block and kill yourself on confusion because you blew both your transfers muffin.

Sword/sword + staff shatter too stronk folks you heard it here first.

I can’t play my main celestial ele because it has a birthday booster to spend so I made this necro build yesterday. Anyway as a necro and any other classes the biggest problem is always a mesmer due to the skilless faceroll build everyone runs.

Loved it.

xDudisx.5914:

Anton.1769:

Don’t be angry to OP. When he played at least 1k matches he will understand his mistakes, and appologise for this rage to us. I think we all was like OP when we started to PvP: ‘Thieves OP!!, PU OP!!!, Wars OP!!’, but when we received some experience we changed our opinion. Do you remember? Someone need 100 matches to understand it, someone 500, Mans like OP 1000, but result will be similar.

with cheers

Thief right now is balanced because they nerfed sword evade spam. Mesmer still waiting for a balance like thief had.

All the metas for other classes are ok and balanced:

-hambow
-celestial ele
-celestial rifle engi or condi engi
-zerk thief
-fearmancer
-bunker guard
-etc..

Phantaram, the best ele indaworld, thinks Cele ele and cele engie too OP
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/Spvp-Elementalist-D-D-celestial-needs-nerf/first
So, who is right, 1 of the best player in GW or OP?

the damage a mesmer can dish out with the amount of boons he can remove at the same time is op. so either nerf shatter damage or the boon removal, very simple. after all they also did that to sword thieves.

Jekkt.6045:

the damage a mesmer can dish out with the amount of boons he can remove at the same time is op. so either nerf shatter damage or the boon removal, very simple. after all they also did that to sword thieves.

Yeah but thief got more evade, better mobility (when portal is on cd), and, depending on build, higher bust and spammable stealth\blind or spammable blink\evade. With easy access on perma poison..

I dont say this cause i think thief its op, thief is ok.

I just want to point out fact that whenever you bring a specific class in a team, you take if for some reasons.

For mesmer the reasons are:
1-portal
2-dmg
3-boon removal

If you nerf 2 or 3, like you ask, you gonna lose the reason to take mesmer on team because for point 2 or 3 necro would be better, and for mobility and dmg thief will win.

Mesmer need all that 3 points to stay in meta.

Imao if you want to nerf mesmer dmg without killing the class, best way is to nerf air+fire sigil, because in this way you will hit mesmer dmg reduction while reducing other classes dmg too (all other classes using fire\air will be nerfed too)