Guild Wars 2

Sudden.8729:

Is it, guess they need to fix the word “Infinite” then huh? facepalm

It is infinite but after 125 repeats it awards 0 points. You still unlock it every time.

Sudden.8729:

Is it, guess they need to fix the word “Infinite” then huh? facepalm

Infinite means you can keep doing it. The POINTS however are capped. Look it up on the wiki: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Tradesman.

yes, 4 points are dig deal
it can make ur world leaderbord Rank 17 down to 19 or moe

I am just trying to get these stupid achieves done. But half the teams I get are plain stupid and worthless. Other times you get paired up by teams who are way more experienced or synching (solo arena). There are too many factors in it to make 8 tpvp wins a day a realistic goal.
After 90min of trying I got 2 team wins and 0 solo wins.

Sudden, put your mouse on that +2Ap, and you willl see a nice 200/200 while reward say +2, you get 0 once you have got 250AP from it.

And the problem here is not the amount of AP gaigned/lost, but the time it take to do theses new daylies. Daylies have to be able to be done fast, you sould not need to play 3 hours to do 4 daylies. The whole problem is here.

I’ll get off my soapbox on it. As stated by many, if you don’t care about AP then you shouldn’t be in this thread.

Before I leave the thread I will say this. If you want to be at the top of an AP leaderboard, knock yourself out, but don’t bash a developer / company because they don’t make it easy, it is not their job to make everything easy. You put that goal their for yourself, as did everyone else who wants to be at the top of a leader board. If it was too easy, people would QQ that everyone is at the top, right?

Anet is kitten ed if it is too easy, kitten ed if it is too hard. GL Dev’s, thanks for the update and future ones (figure you guys deserve atleat one person not flaming you for Wintersday)

Sudden.8729:

I’ll get off my soapbox on it. As stated by many, if you don’t care about AP then you shouldn’t be in this thread.

Before I leave the thread I will say this. If you want to be at the top of an AP leaderboard, knock yourself out, but don’t bash a developer / company because they don’t make it easy, it is not their job to make everything easy. You put that goal their for yourself, as did everyone else who wants to be at the top of a leader board. If it was too easy, people would QQ that everyone is at the top, right?

Anet is kitten ed if it is too easy, kitten ed if it is too hard. GL Dev’s, thanks for the update and future ones (figure you guys deserve atleat one person not flaming you for Wintersday)

This isn’t about easy or hard, it’s about time. I’d love to see more hard permanent achievements. I’m just strongly against temporary achievements especially when it gets as ridiculous as it is now. Requiring 6 hours of play every single day, no exceptions. There are other ways to make it “harder” that would be much more acceptable.

No, you guys really don’t get it. I understand that that’s what makes this game fun to you. People do have their own ways of having fun. So I get you on that point. The point I’m talking about is that you don’t have to flame the devs and rage quit and go all chaotic over it. These posts are what make the forums not that great to be in. All I am encouraging is a respectful but forceful post. I apologize for saying the things I did about being childish and such, it’s just that these are the only forums I delve into on this site, the “pvp forums”. And after spending so much time in them and all I see is post after post about how the devs suck, the game is bad, I’m quitting, etc. it just dampens the game and the forums. This is just the thread I chose to take it out on and so I apologize for being disrespectful myself. I just feel that things would go a lot less ignored with no posts from the devs if it wasn’t a flame fest. I feel the devs respond more in threads where there is a problem and they can respond without being attacked or the feeling of being attacked as well as it makes the forums a more enjoyable place to be. Anyways, that’s my 2 cents.

Cush

Cush.4063:

No, you guys really don’t get it. I understand that that’s what makes this game fun to you. People do have their own ways of having fun. So I get you on that point. The point I’m talking about is that you don’t have to flame the devs and rage quit and go all chaotic over it. These posts are what make the forums not that great to be in. All I am encouraging is a respectful but forceful post. I apologize for saying the things I did about being childish and such, it’s just that these are the only forums I delve into on this site, the “pvp forums”. And after spending so much time in them and all I see is post after post about how the devs suck, the game is bad, I’m quitting, etc. it just dampens the game and the forums. This is just the thread I chose to take it out on and so I apologize for being disrespectful myself. I just feel that things would go a lot less ignored with no posts from the devs if it wasn’t a flame fest. I feel the devs respond more in threads where there is a problem and they can respond without being attacked or the feeling of being attacked as well as it makes the forums a more enjoyable place to be. Anyways, that’s my 2 cents.

Cush

Where did I say that the devs “suck”? In fact I was trying to be respectful towards devs in the post where I was talking about quiting. Read it again. And yes, this thing is something that might make me quit. Different people quit over different things. I am not qutting becouse I didnt got a silver pony. I might quit becouse the recent change hits my playstyle in place where it hurts the most. There are very few things that could make me quit GW2 in its current state. Very few. This is one of those things.

Cush.4063:

No, you guys really don’t get it. I understand that that’s what makes this game fun to you. People do have their own ways of having fun. So I get you on that point. The point I’m talking about is that you don’t have to flame the devs and rage quit and go all chaotic over it. These posts are what make the forums not that great to be in. All I am encouraging is a respectful but forceful post. I apologize for saying the things I did about being childish and such, it’s just that these are the only forums I delve into on this site, the “pvp forums”. And after spending so much time in them and all I see is post after post about how the devs suck, the game is bad, I’m quitting, etc. it just dampens the game and the forums. This is just the thread I chose to take it out on and so I apologize for being disrespectful myself. I just feel that things would go a lot less ignored with no posts from the devs if it wasn’t a flame fest. I feel the devs respond more in threads where there is a problem and they can respond without being attacked or the feeling of being attacked as well as it makes the forums a more enjoyable place to be. Anyways, that’s my 2 cents.

Cush

I would say we are putting forward pretty valid arguments and concerns, I don’t see very much direct flaming. I’m 4400 hours into the game, involved in all three gametypes. 70000 kills in WvW, Ransacker in sPvP (without glory farm) with peak ranks of top 50 in both soloQ and teamQ, Dungeon Master and experienced with speed clears. On top of that I have pretty much every achievement I can do so far in the Living Story. If I didn’t care about the game I wouldn’t go on to the forums and express my concerns about the game. But here I am, because I truly do care. I have also done so before. If you look at my post history you’ll see a thread I made about the achievement system over a year ago. I always had a bit of faith that someday it could change for the better. However, over the past few months I’ve only seen it change for the worse. If valid points can’t get our concerns across, and there is no change to be seen. Then how can you expect us to tolerate it over such an extended period of time when there are more new projects around the corner that may reel us in with new hope of finding a good MMO achievement system for once?

Since launch we have only had one update that did anything to better the system, and that was capping Hobby Dungeon and Agents of Entropy back in April. It still has a long way to go and we could get it there if the devs would listen to us.,

got 3 team wins and 0 solo wins after 2.5hours. I think the 5 solo wins will be impossible in 31 min

Oh my god, are people complaining about this?

I have a useful fix for this: change wins to matches played. Everyone will be happy.

GreenNekoHaunt.8527:

I have a useful fix for this: change wins to matches played. Everyone will be happy.

Agreed.

There we go… diden’t had enought time to do them all today… was doing pvp from when the update hit till now, missing 1 win in team arena. This take too many time !

Btw, just for logic purposes, they ask us to do 8 wins per day, but 20 wins per month ? How that’s logic ?

This is kittening redicilous, i’ve done my daily every single kittening day since launch nearly and I’m currently in the top 170 ranks. Now, I thought World Ranker was bad since it increased wvw dailies by 10x the effort, this is BEYOND bad, 8 WINS, not 8 games… but 8 WINS. They just added 2-3 hours to the daily if not more and just took a kitten on every person that did every single daily for the past year.

This is unacceptable and I will be quitting over stupid updates like this. I’m not going to dedicate myself to a game so they can try to get me to play another 3 hours a kittening day, some of us have jobs and families and if this was your plan from launch then we should have known this in advance, I would have saved 2 hours a day for the past year+ on dailies.

As someone pointed out, those 4 points a year are 1500 points+ and that makes a huge difference. We shouldn’t have to play 5 hours a day to get our daily complete. Simply kitten this.

Xaphan.8745:

There we go… diden’t had enought time to do them all today… was doing pvp from when the update hit till now, missing 1 win in team arena. This take too many time !

Btw, just for logic purposes, they ask us to do 8 wins per day, but 20 wins per month ? How that’s logic ?

Not only 20 wins per month, but you can also get the wins wherever you want: hotjoin, solo queue or team queue.

You ap farmers need to realize something. The Achievement points don’t belong to you, YOU made it YOUR obsession! Since achievement points now award skins, it’s no longer only interesting for people who farm it, there’s a reason for other people to get to 3k or 6k achievements, and among those people are the regular pvpers that deserver the skins just as much as you and for whom these new dailies are easy to complete and come naturally. Achievement points DO NOT belong to you. I’m pretty sure these dailies were made to rewards PVP PLAYERS, not you that already have 10k+ achievements, but THE PVP PLAYERS that are playing since release and have 2k achievement points.

ahuba.6430:

You ap farmers need to realize something. The Achievement points don’t belong to you, YOU made it YOUR obsession! Since achievement points now award skins, it’s no longer only interesting for people who farm it, there’s a reason for other people to get to 3k or 6k achievements, and among those people are the regular pvpers that deserver the skins just as much as you and for whom these new dailies are easy to complete and come naturally. Achievement points DO NOT belong to you.

I want to hear that from Arena (who is behind the design philosophy of this game). If they will confirm this, I will politely say goodbye, wish them good luck and leave to try something else. If that will make you happy, even better. They already tried to ramp up the daily PvP several months ago and then retracted this change due to feedback. What made them to bring this “boost” again and even in more harsh form? All I am asking for is a couple of sentences from Arena to confirm the intention.

PS. You said that their intention was to reward PvP-only players. My guess is, their intention is to shoehorn more players into solo and team queues. Who is right and who is wrong?

Awe.1096:

ahuba.6430:

You ap farmers need to realize something. The Achievement points don’t belong to you, YOU made it YOUR obsession! Since achievement points now award skins, it’s no longer only interesting for people who farm it, there’s a reason for other people to get to 3k or 6k achievements, and among those people are the regular pvpers that deserver the skins just as much as you and for whom these new dailies are easy to complete and come naturally. Achievement points DO NOT belong to you.

I want to hear that from Arena (who is behind the design philosophy of this game). If they will confirm this, I will politely say goodbye, wish them good luck and leave to try something else. If that will make you happy, even better. They already tried to ramp up the daily PvP several months ago and then retracted this change due to feedback. What made them to bring this “boost” again and even in more harsh form? All I am asking for is a couple of sentences from Arena to confirm the intention.

I am wondering this, too. I just browsed to quite a few pages of this pvp forum and didnt find a single thread asking for more pvp dailies, let alone dailies which take 2 hours (queue times rarely instant) to complete even if you have a 8 game winstreak.

ahuba.6430:

You ap farmers need to realize something. The Achievement points don’t belong to you, YOU made it YOUR obsession! Since achievement points now award skins, it’s no longer only interesting for people who farm it, there’s a reason for other people to get to 3k or 6k achievements, and among those people are the regular pvpers that deserver the skins just as much as you and for whom these new dailies are easy to complete and come naturally. Achievement points DO NOT belong to you. I’m pretty sure these dailies were made to rewards PVP PLAYERS, not you that already have 10k+ achievements, but THE PVP PLAYERS that are playing since release and have 2k achievement points.

There are plenty of other ways to do that more efficiently by adding permanent points into the system. Most pvp players won’t get the dailies on a daily basis either cause of how time consuming they are, and I say that cause I am a pvp player who also happens to like achievements.

If it really is Anet’s intent to discourage an entire community of completionists then so be it. But what you say is for us the same as it would be to add PvE events to sPvP matches just because PvP isn’t specifically for PvP players, they wanted to give PvE players something in PvP too. Now perhaps that makes you realise how absurd and pointless your statement is.

You only need to complete 4 of them. And you can simply use the same 4 you had to complete before. I am utterly confused. Am I missing something here?

Jasher.6580:

You only need to complete 4 of them. And you can simply use the same 4 you had to complete before. I am utterly confused. Am I missing something here?

These ap farmers don’t understand that not everything has to cater to their needs, as in, not everything can be handed to them. They’re mad that there’s a daily that rewards pvp’ers and not just the gw2 standard farmer/zerger.

Jasher.6580:

You only need to complete 4 of them. And you can simply use the same 4 you had to complete before. I am utterly confused. Am I missing something here?

You must complete them all if you want to rank up high on the leaderboards, now ANET is basically saying for those who already spend 1.5-3 hours a day to complete all the acheivements to spend an additional 3+ hours on top of it.

Basically this game is almost like a full time job, and where was the common sense on this kitten BEFORE it happened? This isn’t the first time this has happened and this update is complete trash. There are better ways to get people to play, forcing wins isn’t the way to go.

ahuba.6430:

Jasher.6580:

You only need to complete 4 of them. And you can simply use the same 4 you had to complete before. I am utterly confused. Am I missing something here?

These ap farmers don’t understand that not everything has to cater to their needs, as in, not everything can be handed to them. They’re mad that there’s a daily that rewards pvp’ers and not just the gw2 standard farmer/zerger.

Achievement Point are in the game just for that and there is a leaderboards to it. People are kitten ed because of the amount of time involved to do it now compared to yesterday, not that fact that you have to win. Hard achievements are fine, but making dailies take 6 hours a day instead of 2-3 is just stupid.

Ride the idiot wagon all you want.

Also comparing PvE and PvP players together as far as achievements go doesn’t make any sense. PvE has way more content and that means its going to have more achievements period. You can say the same for WvW then too.

Now if you are talking about dailies, then okay fine, add some achievements that don’t take 3 hours to do then.

Also add in PvP seasons like they did in WvW.

Not the way it was implemented.

5 solo wins, 5 wins 4 losses – 2 hours laters… now time to start my team tourny wins, THEN my pve daily…..

Again, do you really want pve achievement grinders flooding your sPvp tournaments?

The WvW players I talk to are super happy to be rid of them.

all daily pvp achievements = 3-5 hours = 2-3 gold

i guess even a player who plays pvp exclusively would have a hard time getting all

i dont mind the extra pvp dailies but requiring wins in tourneys is just wrong

/fail

If you’re just playing PvP for the achievement points then you don’t really belong in PvP at all…

Here we are trying to create a competitive environment and we’re getting dragged down by PvE players who need to farm their AP so they can brandish their big fat farm score to other farmers

How about this: take ALL of the achievements out of PvP so we don’t have lousy PvE players joining tournament matches to make their PvE score go pewpewpew

Errant Venture.9371:

If you’re just playing PvP for the achievement points then you don’t really belong in PvP at all…

Here we are trying to create a competitive environment and we’re getting dragged down by PvE players who need to farm their AP so they can brandish their big fat farm score to other farmers

How about this: take ALL of the achievements out of PvP so we don’t have lousy PvE players joining tournament matches to make their PvE score go pewpewpew

I guess you are talking to the general population of PvE players, I play PvE/WvW 1000x more than PvP but still am a top ranker in PvP or was before the ladder was reset. Not all PvE players are “bad” in PvP.

Osi.3504:

Errant Venture.9371:

If you’re just playing PvP for the achievement points then you don’t really belong in PvP at all…

Here we are trying to create a competitive environment and we’re getting dragged down by PvE players who need to farm their AP so they can brandish their big fat farm score to other farmers

How about this: take ALL of the achievements out of PvP so we don’t have lousy PvE players joining tournament matches to make their PvE score go pewpewpew

I guess you are talking to the general population of PvE players, I play PvE/WvW 1000x more than PvP but still am a top ranker in PvP or was before the ladder was reset. Not all PvE players are “bad” in PvP.

Note the bit where I talk about getting rid of the lousy PvE players who’re only playing PvP (lousily) for the AP? Yeah? Guess not.

Errant Venture.9371:

If you’re just playing PvP for the achievement points then you don’t really belong in PvP at all…

Here we are trying to create a competitive environment and we’re getting dragged down by PvE players who need to farm their AP so they can brandish their big fat farm score to other farmers

How about this: take ALL of the achievements out of PvP so we don’t have lousy PvE players joining tournament matches to make their PvE score go pewpewpew

2500+ tourney games , rank 51, rank 100 leaderboard… if uve surpassed any of those then ill gladly admit that i play pvp for achievements only

just because we are completionists doesnt mean we dont enjoy and play pvp competitively. if the pvp rewards are good enough then i wouldnt complain at all

Don’t see a problem, you still only need to do 4 and all the old ones are still there…

Just giving achievement point hunters the chance to aquire more and become no. 1 achievement hunter, well burning off those who can’t handle more achievement points.

Its all good and very, very funny…lol

Anyone else noticed achievement point hunters rage so much, driving them mad endless farming out those achievement points everyday..lol

Yup, pretty bad, not much more to say.

Meglobob.8620:

Don’t see a problem, you still only need to do 4 and all the old ones are still there…

Just giving achievement point hunters the chance to aquire more and become no. 1 achievement hunter, well burning off those who can’t handle more achievement points.

Its all good and very, very funny…lol

Anyone else noticed achievement point hunters rage so much, driving them mad endless farming out those achievement points everyday..lol

Following that argument you can add so many dailies you have no chance at completing them all, at which point the act of “completionism” isn’t even there because it is impossible to do so, thus turning off a lot of players. I don’t even know why you feel the need to comment when you obviously don’t even care one bit about achievement hunting or the point system in general. The fact that you come here to point out that you laugh at our misforune is what I find funny.

This is pretty much stab into back for all achievment hunters. I play TPvP every day but I refuse to be forced into wins. I havent stable team and waiting for win in solo Q is super frustrating. Achievment hunting was last thing what keep me playing and I was proud I never miss anything since headstart.

What do you Anet even thinking?

I’ve got a question for all you die hard achievement hunters. What happens if your power cuts out, Internet goes down, you end up in the hospital, vacation, etc. Do you call one of your friends to play your account to finish dailies?

RoRo.8270:

I’ve got a question for all you die hard achievement hunters. What happens if your power cuts out, Internet goes down, you end up in the hospital, vacation, etc. Do you call one of your friends to play your account to finish dailies?

I have 3 slaves for that. First as engine for home-made manual generator, second use smoke signals when wi-fi comes out (he has actualy pretty good ping) and last one plays. I havent friends to call. I dont need them I have achievments!

Rezz.8019:

I like this daily. This is one thing in the game that AP farmers can’t abuse, yet. It also makes all TA and SA games a lot more interesting. Queues are shorter and teams are more diverse.

Man you are wrong. Only result of this are tons of noobs and pve players in team arenas. Diverse is today word for killing noobs?

These new dailies were clearly designed to give hardcore PvP players more APs that other players cant reasonably get. Casual PvPer? Too bad for you.
If Anet wants to bring more people in tPvP these dailies won’t work, they’re just way too long and the reward is way too small (1AP).
If Anet wants to reward PvP players with more AP it’s fine, but there are better ways to do so, like giving more reasonable options for daily PvP or/and merging Pve and PvP AP rewards (like the current laurel system).
I strongly recommend everyone in this thread to read this suggestion . It would address the issue we AP-hunters have with the dailies while giving PvPers the same rewards than PvEers. Since currencies from PvE and PvP are to be merged, I dont see any reason left to have separate daily rewards.

My suggestion:

• Change the current 3 matches played daily to 3 matches won.
• Consolidate the solo and team into one “tournaments” daily, but make it matches played instead of won. Same quantities as the current solo queue daily would be fine I think.

Anet and want reward us? Good joke man:-D They clearly wats more players in SPvP and it wont work this way.

This is my very own and absolutely honest opinion about this achievement thingy: I can’t care less.

Never cared about achievements, they just pop up sometimes on my screen and I’m always surprised. Yay, another achievement!

Never cared about skins. They don’t give me advantage, so it doesn’t matter for me if I’ll kill somebody with a simple steel sword or my sword will blink in pink and spread feathers and parfume while I’m killing.

Never cared about money, because I can have everything I need in PvP for free.

So I really can’t understand why a PvP player will care about achievments. Anyone want to explain me?

Now, I’m probably not a typical PvP player. Probably the typical PvP player plays for achievements, skins and money. My bad. I play only for fun, for the laugh we have on Ts even when our team is losing bad and for this incredible satisfying feeling when you see the shield with crossed swords at the end of the game and the voice announcing: Your Team Is Victorious! For me nothing can be compared with this feeling.

You’re being played so hard it’s not even funny anymore, and that’s quite big given the sheer comedy such threads usually deliver.

These new pvp achievements suck a lot and need to be changed or removed.

What’s the problem? Simple. Arenanet added 4 new pvp dailies that are based on winning matches once with randoms vs. randoms and once with people you should know vs. randoms that player together. Plus another 2 dailies expect you to do their pre-daily.

Now, now, this might not be as bad as one might think. Wrong. There are days when I want to win 3 times a day. Those days I rarely but do hang in pvp for up to 4 hours keep on being in the worse team. Lucky me: win joining. However… in tournaments you can’t win join at all. Being forced to have the luck to be in the better team or having a worse team (for team arena in that case). The problem here is that it depends on luck and that ain’t better than RNG. (I know everyone hates RNG except ArenaNet probably.)

Where this really is going to be a problem for both PvE achievement hunters (mostly completionists) and PvP achievement hunters (not to forget PvX).
PvP achievement hunters: Some people come home after work and they want to do their pvp achievements (all of them of course) and they spend 0.75-2+ hours doing their pvp daily. (Yes, there surely are that hate all PvE or WvW content but still want to collect achievement points). PvE achievement hunters have the same problem here.

For all that say “achievement hunting is stupid you do not need to do all dailies”.
Yes, you don’t but for people that either want to complete the game 100% or for people that want to pick up achievement points to be equal to those in the very top of the leaderboards this farming is necessary. Not all people in the top 1000 do all of their daily. Especially PvX based. So with enough time spent each day doing every and each daily you can make quite some jumps in the leaderboards.

Honestly I think achievement hunting in the sense of being a completionist is a thing people will not understand if they aren’t completionists themselves. They aren’t seeking the accomplishments they got though out all those days, weeks, months or years.

Anyways my suggestion for pvp daily:
Remove those dailys that require you to do wins in tournaments.
As an alternative add the following dailies that rotate with the others:
Daily Skyhammer – Play a match on the Skyhammer map
Daily Battle – Play a match on the Battle of Kyhlo map
Daily Forest – Play a match on the Forest of Niflhel map
Daily Foefire – Play a match on the Legacy of the Foefire map
Daily Raid – Play a match on the Raid on the Capricorn map
Daily Spirits – Play a match on the Spirit Watch map
Daily Storm – Play a match on the Temple of the Silent Storm map
Daily Winner – Win 1 match (anywhere)
Daily Teams – Play 3 team matches
Daily Solo – Play 3 solo matches
Daily Glory Spender – Spend 250 glory
Daily Rang Points – Gain 500 rang points
Daily Skirmisher – Stomp 3 enemies.
Daily PvP Recycler – Salvage 30 PvP items.
Daily Chest Opener – Open 5 PvP chests (from tournaments or bought)
Daily Class Variety – Kill 3 different classes
Reminder: these are just suggestions of dailies I would find quite do able in a short time more or less equivalent to the PvE dailies with enough variation and no time traps.

Edit: Gonna post some examples:
Monday
Daily Captures | Daily Matches Played | Daily Class Variety | Daily Top Stats
Daily Spirits | Daily Solo | Daily Glory Spender | Daily Skirmisher
Tuesday
Daily Captures | Daily Matches Played | Daily Player Kills | Daily Top Stats
Daily Battle | Daily Winner | Daily Glory Spender | Daily Rang Points
Wednesday
Daily Captures | Daily Matches Played | Daily Skirmisher | Daily Top Stats
Daily Battle | Daily Winner | Daily Class Variety | Daily PvP Chest Opener
Thursday
Daily Captures | Daily Teams | Daily Player Kills | Daily Top Stats
Daily Raid | Daily Glory Spender | Daily Skirmisher | Daily Rang Points

Imo solution is reward those win task by something other than AP. Its clearly hardcore PvP players dont care about achievments so its pointless for them and it ruin completition for all other players who care.

FINALLY there is a difficult area in Daily pvp! This will FINALLY add a matter of skull to The leaderboards. There wont be unskillt Farmers in The top 50 in a GEW days. Really Looking forward to it!!! Thx Anet))

JackyCorus.6915:

FINALLY there is a difficult area in Daily pvp! This will FINALLY add a matter of skull to The leaderboards. There wont be unskillt Farmers in The top 50 in a GEW days. Really Looking forward to it!!! Thx Anet))

I dont want to be rude but do you even know what do you talk about? “Skilled”? How is devoting 5 hours each day any indication of skill? At least be be fair and say “FINALLY there is a grindy area in Daily pvp!”.

Yesterday I was played 4,5h to completed tornaments daily. And new reward system for loose or win (30s or 12s) makes pvp more infected by noobs. Many ppl just sign up to tornaments and go AFK… they will get reward anyway… And where is 1h per daily ANET policy?

I never realized how much people care about achievement point rankings…