I’m still surprised that this hasn’t been fixed. These runes are a crutch for many engineers and I hope they fix it soon.
It’s absurd how much confusion can be put out constantly. Even dueling them on my warrior using dolyak signet, stamina signet, zerker stance, cleansing ire, melandru runes and food is not enough.
I LAUGH when people say “bring condition removals” but the problem is you need stability. If I pick all stability, guess what? I can’t deal with the condition engi’s other conditions.
Full condition warrior can drop 12 to 18 stacks of confusion for 15 seconds which will do approximately 2100 damage per action. My thief’s autoattack sequence (4 hits in ~ 1.25 seconds).
Works out to 8.4k per autoattack sequence, or in other words, you can kill yourself in 2 seconds flat. Just autoattacking.
i think there was video of confusion warrior and engi abusing it as well
25 stacks of confusion is absolutely fine …yeah?
There’s a reason glamours were nerfed
glam was nowhere near this strong as getting 25 stacks was only possible with multiple mesmers and 25 stacks never lasted this long ever. glams are 3-5 seconds long and yes u can stack them if it hits 25 stacks it goes down very quickly.
the problem is that the 5 stacks per interrupt tick for 15 seconds o.0
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Full condition warrior can drop 12 to 18 stacks of confusion for 15 seconds which will do approximately 2100 damage per action. My thief’s autoattack sequence (4 hits in ~ 1.25 seconds).
Works out to 8.4k per autoattack sequence, or in other words, you can kill yourself in 2 seconds flat. Just autoattacking.
That’s not broken at all.
Confusion procs per action, not per attack. So with dagger 1 chain it would proc 3 times.
It’s a genius move from ArenaNet to force all the small-group roamers into eSportPvP.
Just like bloodlust buffs and minion health increase. You know… Stuff that don’t really matter in lolblob 60v60 but makes a lot of difference in small groups.
I’m still surprised that this hasn’t been fixed. These runes are a crutch for many engineers and I hope they fix it soon.
I think alot of people are unaware of how much confusion an engy can stack without the runes. I can stack 12 stacks of confusion easy on my engy without them. I’ll gladly trade an icd on the 6/6 for a duration fix on the runes. My interrupts are on long cooldowns, and I choose to save them for defensive reasons. I think people will whine even more when I have 100% confusion duration. So please, yes, put an icd on the 6/6 and fix the duration bonus.
I’m still surprised that this hasn’t been fixed. These runes are a crutch for many engineers and I hope they fix it soon.
I think alot of people are unaware of how much confusion an engy can stack without the runes. I can stack 12 stacks of confusion easy on my engy without them. I’ll gladly trade an icd on the 6/6 for a duration fix on the runes. My interrupts are on long cooldowns, and I choose to save them for defensive reasons. I think people will whine even more when I have 100% confusion duration. So please, yes, put an icd on the 6/6 and fix the duration bonus.
with a internal cool down your confusion will not last lon agienst cleanses and then 100% bonus duration wont help anything. but now that they can insta reaply them with a new stun then the cleaninsing dont work
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Full condition warrior can drop 12 to 18 stacks of confusion for 15 seconds which will do approximately 2100 damage per action. My thief’s autoattack sequence (4 hits in ~ 1.25 seconds).
Works out to 8.4k per autoattack sequence, or in other words, you can kill yourself in 2 seconds flat. Just autoattacking.
That’s not broken at all.
Actually if I get just 2 interrupts I stack 21 stacks on you which hits for 4500-5k depending on might / buttlust.
I agree with this, as it was extremely way too easy to give 25 stacks of confusion as a warrior. Every interrupt i would grant 9 stacks. (Distracting Strikes trait + Perpelexity runes)
I don’t use these runes simply because they kill people too slowly. For me, they aren’t very good. That said, I can imagine that newer players have trouble dealing with confusion and so they would be upset.
Agreed…especially for warriors, chain stunned, massive damage and then rune stacks.. WHICH LAST 15 SECONDS AND CAN BE STACKED TO 20 IN NO TIME AT ALL BY A WARRIOR, yes the caps mean im yelling, NICE GOD kitten BALANCING ANET, NOT!!!
and i thought wow balance was bad, you take the cake anet.
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So sick of fighting people using these runes. Interrupts are extremely easy to get in this game. Interrupts should have to be used strategically to counter certain key skills (ex. healing skills), but with this rune you get rewarded heavily for chain interrupting your opponents auto-attack. It’s ridiculous and takes no skill.
And why does every class need easy access to confusion? Necros already have access to 11 conditions, why do they have to get confusion on top of all of those??? They already have an insane condi burst. Why does a 700 damage/sec fear need to apply 5 stacks of confusion too?
I agree with this, as it was extremely way too easy to give 25 stacks of confusion as a warrior. Every interrupt i would grant 9 stacks. (Distracting Strikes trait + Perpelexity runes)
The question is who is testing these new things before it can install in the game because 8 out of 10 by the tester after 30 min said “this rune is OP”
So sick of fighting people using these runes. Interrupts are extremely easy to get in this game. Interrupts should have to be used strategically to counter certain key skills (ex. healing skills), but with this rune you get rewarded heavily for chain interrupting your opponents auto-attack. It’s ridiculous and takes no skill.
And why does every class need easy access to confusion? Necros already have access to 11 conditions, why do they have to get confusion on top of all of those??? They already have an insane condi burst. Why does a 700 damage/sec fear need to apply 5 stacks of confusion too?
/endrant
Chain interrupting you say. You do realise that for some one to spam interrupts on you, YOU have to be spamming abilities in the 1st place for this to happen. No sympathy L2P
So sick of fighting people using these runes. Interrupts are extremely easy to get in this game. Interrupts should have to be used strategically to counter certain key skills (ex. healing skills), but with this rune you get rewarded heavily for chain interrupting your opponents auto-attack. It’s ridiculous and takes no skill.
And why does every class need easy access to confusion? Necros already have access to 11 conditions, why do they have to get confusion on top of all of those??? They already have an insane condi burst. Why does a 700 damage/sec fear need to apply 5 stacks of confusion too?
/endrant
Chain interrupting you say. You do realise that for some one to spam interrupts on you, YOU have to be spamming abilities in the 1st place for this to happen. No sympathy L2P
The old “stand there and take it” defense. Highly effective… You can’t avoid attempting a cast forever mate. Don’t forget it’s possible to carry a LOT of interrupts on some classes.
So sick of fighting people using these runes. Interrupts are extremely easy to get in this game. Interrupts should have to be used strategically to counter certain key skills (ex. healing skills), but with this rune you get rewarded heavily for chain interrupting your opponents auto-attack. It’s ridiculous and takes no skill.
And why does every class need easy access to confusion? Necros already have access to 11 conditions, why do they have to get confusion on top of all of those??? They already have an insane condi burst. Why does a 700 damage/sec fear need to apply 5 stacks of confusion too?
/endrant
And here i could swear that fear isnt an interupt ,thus not dropping the extra confusion stacks.
There had been a thread about it on necromancer forums,but since i do have the runeset il give it a check.
Taken from necromancer forum:
Wrong again on my part….. Fear doesn’t count as an interrupt at all… meaning the only way to get the 6 proc is spectral grasp….. I have been wondering all these days why I never got daily interrupter, now I know why.
As you see you made a wrong accusation there.
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Chain interrupting you say. You do realise that for some one to spam interrupts on you, YOU have to be spamming abilities in the 1st place for this to happen. No sympathy L2P
Learn to think. Running around not using any skills isn’t going to help you against a condi engineer or necro. Not to mention the fact that all they have to do is wait for you to attack since the distinction between you attacking and you running around letting them kill you by other means is an obvious one. Spamming interrupts doesn’t mean they’re predictably using 1 each second. They could be using an interrupt once every 3-8 seconds. There’s no way to predict when they’ll be using their interrupts so not using skills is a horrible solution. How can you seriously defend a rune that you have to counter by not using skills?
Yeah, but to my knowledge that is a bug and has been reported and acknowledged. As far as Anet is concerned Necros should have access to copious amounts of confusion, which is a distressing thought.
The thing about Engineer’s use of the Perplexity Runes is that the main tools/kits/weapons that we use to proc Interrupt or add Confusion do very little damage in and of themselves. Static Shot, Magnet, Prybar, Shield, #3 Bomb – none of these are very powerful.
The thing about Engineer’s use of the Perplexity Runes is that the main tools/kits/weapons that we use to proc Interrupt or add Confusion do very little damage in and of themselves. Static Shot, Magnet, Prybar, Shield, #3 Bomb – none of these are very powerful.
what does it matter when the person sits there with 25 confusion stacks and can’t attack back…
look at fireworks thief, he didn’t even use any weapon dmg and thieves can’t even get such high stacks like engi
seriously there have been countless threads about it, its beyond ridiculous that they havent been fixed asap 3 days after putting them in and its just dramatic.. i mean SAD AS HELL that we have to put up with that kitten, what, like 2 months now? The responsible people are just clueless beyond limits or they dont play the game at all, i dont know…
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The thing about Engineer’s use of the Perplexity Runes is that the main tools/kits/weapons that we use to proc Interrupt or add Confusion do very little damage in and of themselves. Static Shot, Magnet, Prybar, Shield, #3 Bomb – none of these are very powerful.
what does it matter when the person sits there with 25 confusion stacks and can’t attack back…
look at fireworks thief, he didn’t even use any weapon dmg and thieves can’t even get such high stacks like engi
That’s true, but it’s very difficult to manage the cooldowns on fireworks to maintain maximum popping efficiency. Perfectly balanced, in my book.
So sick of fighting people using these runes. Interrupts are extremely easy to get in this game. Interrupts should have to be used strategically to counter certain key skills (ex. healing skills), but with this rune you get rewarded heavily for chain interrupting your opponents auto-attack. It’s ridiculous and takes no skill.
And why does every class need easy access to confusion? Necros already have access to 11 conditions, why do they have to get confusion on top of all of those??? They already have an insane condi burst. Why does a 700 damage/sec fear need to apply 5 stacks of confusion too?
/endrant
Chain interrupting you say. You do realise that for some one to spam interrupts on you, YOU have to be spamming abilities in the 1st place for this to happen. No sympathy L2P
This isn’t gw1 where interrupting certain skills on a single player was key to winning a 4v4 or 8v8. On GW2 even auto attacks are skills which means everyone is always “spamming” abilities.
If you wanted to argue about L2P, its spamming after the confusion is applied. But of course the issue with that is that some classes can apply confusion indefinitely because of the number of interrupts they have access to.
The thing about Engineer’s use of the Perplexity Runes is that the main tools/kits/weapons that we use to proc Interrupt or add Confusion do very little damage in and of themselves. Static Shot, Magnet, Prybar, Shield, #3 Bomb – none of these are very powerful.
what does it matter when the person sits there with 25 confusion stacks and can’t attack back…
look at fireworks thief, he didn’t even use any weapon dmg and thieves can’t even get such high stacks like engi
That thief video proves a point how OP thieves are….just say’n.
The only thing holding me back is knowing that they need to be nerfed and soon, so an entire new gear set will go to waste (the runes, six armour pieces + one pistol that is).
seriously there have been countless threads about it, its beyond ridiculous that they havent been fixed asap 3 days after putting them in and its just dramatic.. i mean SAD AS HELL that we have to put up with that kitten, what, like 2 months now? The responsible people are just clueless beyond limits or they dont play the game at all, i dont know…
They got patched after release so they have been revised at least once already.
When they came out, they applied the confusion on interrupt on the user, not the target.
The confusion still gets applied to yourself, if you get interrupted by an object, the spear traps in the pirate jp in LA, for example.
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seriously there have been countless threads about it, its beyond ridiculous that they havent been fixed asap 3 days after putting them in and its just dramatic.. i mean SAD AS HELL that we have to put up with that kitten, what, like 2 months now? The responsible people are just clueless beyond limits or they dont play the game at all, i dont know…
i mean, i usually dodge, and if i cant dodge, i usually use stability, and if i cant use stability, i take the confusion, and when i take the confusion, i usually remove it, and if i cant remove it, i kite and dont spam my skills like a mindless donkey and they go to forums to rage about it.
seriously there have been countless threads about it, its beyond ridiculous that they havent been fixed asap 3 days after putting them in and its just dramatic.. i mean SAD AS HELL that we have to put up with that kitten, what, like 2 months now? The responsible people are just clueless beyond limits or they dont play the game at all, i dont know…
i mean, i usually dodge, and if i cant dodge, i usually use stability, and if i cant use stability, i take the confusion, and when i take the confusion, i usually remove it, and if i cant remove it, i kite and dont spam my skills like a mindless donkey and they go to forums to rage about it.
learn to play. ive already told you how.
All the while other dots tick off you and you slowly die. Enjoy.
The big issue is that no rune should replace a skill or enhance a skill so much. CC skills are pretty powerful. Interrupts are pretty powerful form of CC as some classes have tons and most have an initial damage to them. Now add a secondary damage to them and they become OP. End of story.
Please give runes a 60sec cd.
We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional
1. game.slayer – uses them on his elementalist (!!) and brags in the forum how he would kill anyone 1v1.
2. kuora – said i was a 2222 thief who needs l2p when i stated the opinion warrior stuns are over the top atm in the warrior forum. (i main warrior with 1.5k hours)
just so you know who those scrubs are if you want to “discuss” with them. it has zero to do with l2p, the runes are broken. people saying otherwise either dont have a clue about the game (game.slayer) or are just plain trolling out of habit (kuora). probably both.
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The 6th bonus could use an adjustment, but in the grand scheme of things there are builds way cheesier out there that don’t use these runes (blackwater/phantasm mesmers, signet of spite condi-bombing necros , bunker-regen-stun warriors, infinite stealth d/p thieves, etc).
I think Interrupts should be used in order to prevent your foe to use a precise skill – be it a Heal, a powerful damaging skill or an Elite skill – so that you turn the fight in your favor.
If you use an Interrupt against an Auto Attack, that would be a “wasted” interrupt.
However, with these runes, you are HEAVILY rewarded even if you interrupt meaningless skills – that’s why they make no sense whatsoever, as they encourage bad play.
Everyone who believes these runes are not OP should really reconsider his mind status.
The thing about Engineer’s use of the Perplexity Runes is that the main tools/kits/weapons that we use to proc Interrupt or add Confusion do very little damage in and of themselves. Static Shot, Magnet, Prybar, Shield, #3 Bomb – none of these are very powerful.
Prybar?
I’d give you the rest, but Prybar hits hard. Granted it’s melee range. Wish Engi’s had something to keep/put people in melee range…
Also, I find it funny to watch people try to defend the balance of an ability that’s so good people are willing to wear Runes that only have 4/6 abilities working just to access the effect.
1. game.slayer – uses them on his elementalist (!!) and brags in the forum how he would kill anyone 1v1.
2. kuora – said i was a 2222 thief who needs l2p when i stated the opinion warrior stuns are over the top atm in the warrior forum. (i main warrior with 1.5k hours)
just so you know who those scrubs are if you want to “discuss” with them. it has zero to do with l2p, the runes are broken. people saying otherwise either dont have a clue about the game (game.slayer) or are just plain trolling out of habit (kuora). probably both.
Thats because dire gear is the only thing overpowered here. that cat is ridiculous. i have two rupt skills on a 40s+ cd each. putting an ICD on perp runes, say, 30s, would barely even nerf my build what so ever. when i encounter a stun/condi war with perp runes, you know what i do? its calledcounter-play.
“WUT IS COWNTER PWAY?” you ask?
Blind
Remove condi
invuln skills
kite
block
evade
now if youre so bad that you cant do that, and instead want to come to forums to rage about how you cant counter-play somone, be my guest. youre just making yourself look silly.
Dire gear is the only real problem here. condi + ability to flat out tank is stupid. but these runes are fine.
