Guild Wars 2

EDIT; Thanks to all of you guys that have signed this thread, if you cant find your name below please PM me or write again in the thread.

Hello. People have made alot of stuff to get Anets attention to bring the old maps back.

Me & my friends suggestion is that in this thread you comment:
Yes I want the old maps back. – if you want so.
I would also like you to write WHY you want them back.

When you do that I will copy your account name and put in this list. If you also want to discuss you can do that below your comment. But ofcourse feel free to discuss because its an important question.

I want the old maps because:
- They were smaller & more intense.
- More lifefull, I prefer water,grass & mountains instead of dust, fog & sand.
- Easier to find fights.
- Easier to defend stuff.
- Felt like the old maps had more balance.
- IT WAS FUN – Im not having fun on the new maps, and only play EB.

Yes we want the old WvW maps back:
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186 names.

Do not want the old BL back. Would rather see some simple fixes to the new BL, like remove shrines/buffs, open the waypoints for the home team to use.. add stairway paths that are easy to understand.

Edit: Oh and the oasis event…remove that obv.

It could be easier like this :
http://strawpoll.me/6584921

I wouldn’t mind having Alpine back until some changes are made.

No I want new maps as well as the Alpines back! Just not the Deserted BS ones!

In fact I want another 2 minimum! So that we can finally get a map rotation going on!

Alpine is much better than Deserted in terms of WvW. Not that Alpine is a particularly great map but it is miles better than what we have now.

Ringo.3406:

It could be easier like this :
http://strawpoll.me/6584921

With that function we do not have the actual account name & dont know if its even gw2 players voting.

YES!

I want the original Alpine borderland back including the lake. The Ruins of Power was also an ugly spvp alike abomination copy & pasted on top of the original map.

In one word: Yes

Yes and No. I want it back for a rotation, or just make both maps playable standalone without the home system. I want Alpine AND Desert (and EBG) at the same time, in some manner.

Yes. The new map is not fun. The Alpine map, for the few faults it had, was vastly better!

Yes i do but i would make a more realistic request of bringing the old map systems back like blooblust, the old upgrade system so people care if garrison flips and remove the middle event of fix it.

Asking for the old maps back will only server to annoy Anet, not bring them around to our way of thinking, we have to meet them half way.

I will however put answer as

YES I DO WANT THE OLD MAPS BACK

But i will stress my point further and say it’s unlikely we’ll get it with this method.

No, I don’t want old borderlands back.

New just need polishing with upgrading system.

Yes, alpine maps in regular wvw.

Use the new maps for the eotm system so they have some value to the game.

In the last days, I had amazing fights in our BL. I think it’s a better place for small group vs zergs, since we can kite the hell out of 1111 spammers. Same with new keeps. At first, I hated these, but now, I find them really fun for kiting. Now I still think maps are too big, but since it’s easier to defend, I guess it balances things out.

Yes, the old maps are best for WvW. The new ones are PvE maps.

No and here is an example why. Traveling with a small group last night and came around a hill and ran smack into the middle of another small group coming the other way. Complete surprise fight on both sides. Was utter chaos on both sides. Now this could have been mitigated by having a proper lead scout out front and such but the fact that the terrain was able to hide both groups from each other till the last moment was awesome. On the old Alpine maps this might not have even resulted in a fight since one side or the other might have withdrawn on sight of the other as both jockeyed for position. New maps might have issues but they have so much varied combat options that they will stay fresh much longer than the alpine maps ever had.

One question to the rest of you – do you experience lag in the new maps like I do? I never had lag in old maps + EB(I dont lag in EB these days either) So just new maps = laggy for me… I have hard to think its something with my computer or internet because its both good.. but it just feels like… its not smooth like before in the new maps.. and the event in the middle have TERRIBLE lag for me + my friends.

Yes, without any hesitations.

Yes!!

These new maps seem to be built to encourage blobbing; smaller groups are rendered impotent, consigning themselves to capturing camps and shrines…what fun.

After a short sabbatical, I just recently hopped back onto WVW, which I used to enjoy immensely. I see what everyone complains about. Another WVW server dies and a few more PVE scrubs, myself included, are born.

Bringing back the old Alpine BL’s would be admiting Anet Failed on these Horrific new BL’s you all will need to accept that the maps are here to stay personally they need a Full 6 map rotation between Desert and Alpine (with some terrain & mechanic changes on Desert BL’s) every 2 weeks on reset nights

no

yes, the new maps have too much choke points

Yes please! Still don’t like the new map.

Yes, new maps are not fun to play. Other issues must also be fixed though.

Yes plz.
As a roamer, in 8 out of 10 visits you would get a fight in the north camp.
And as a small group you could always pretend to attack one of the northern towers to get some action.
That aspect of the game completly died with the new map and i miss it.

I’d like all 3 maps to be on at the same time (bl maps are stupid). Or…rotate them each week. Or…..allow each bl to choose which map they want for their borderland (desert or alpine) each week. I don’t want any of the 3 maps to disappear. Desert did alot for roamers…although they nerfed the roaming component alot with updates. Honestly just allow every fortified keep on every map to give a waypoint for whoever owns it and all the maps would be so much better.

Drizzy.1268:

Yes plz.
As a roamer, in 8 out of 10 visits you would get a fight in the north camp.
And as a small group you could always pretend to attack one of the northern towers to get some action.
That aspect of the game completly died with the new map and i miss it.

Yes!!! This^^

The new maps are just bad for fights. The thing you have to remember though is that ANET doesn’t like to admit mistakes. They aren’t going to take down something they just created even if their stubbornness causes people to leave.

I’m actually really scared about their major overhaul. It seems virtually every WvW decision they make has been wrong for the last 2 years.

Yes I want the old WvW maps back. They were just more fun. Plain and simple

I don’t mind new borderlands, but with the same feeling (ease of moving around, level plains, distances etc) that the old borderlands had.

Yes please give us back the old maps!

no, do not want

Yes

I’d like the Alpine maps back. If nothing else for the reason that I find the desert maps to be a poor environment. Don’t care for the theme and aesthetics. If I choose to play for hours on a map, I’d like it to be of a theme I like and care for. I run across that desert map and think to the enemies, “You can keep it”. Obviously that’s not very conductive to WvW.

absolutely yes!

Yes. But lets stay real here, we won’t get them back in the original state.

they will never ever bring it back.. cuz anet give no **** about players and they do what they want… if u like it ok good .. if not * off .. that’s what anet they want to tell you.

3 years guys come on you should learn the lesson

YES !! Bringing back the old Alpine BL’s

I don’t think this thread will get the attention it deserves since 95% of the wvw population already left.

But yes, I want the old Borderland maps back.

All anet has to do to see everyone hates it is play in T1 and try to find anyone on those maps at any time.

If the only two options are the Desert Borderland an the Alpine Borderland, then Alpine wins hands down. That being said, I don’t want either of them. Alpine was fun, but it had some issues, and after 3 years a chance of scenery is needed. Both things should have been taken care of with the Desert Borderland, but they failed miserably. They actively made the problems the Alpine map had worse, and then added a ton of gimmicks to everything. We need a new map, but we need a good new map. We need strategic layouts of the objectives. We need flat areas between them for open field fighting. We need large scale and small scale fights to be encouraged by the map’s design. We don’t need a layout that promotes karma training. We don’t need gimmick mechanics. We don’t need automatic upgrades. We don’t need PvE events that lag the servers so bad that people actually stop what they’re doing and wait until it’s over, even if they’re in the middle of a fight.

Unfortunately, Anet doesn’t seem to get it and doesn’t seem to be capable of admitting their mistakes. So I don’t expect a good new map to ever come out from them, and I don’t even expect them to go back to the lesser of two evils with the Alpine map. I fully expect them to steer even further into the skid, and just keep doubling down and making everything even worse.

In retrospect, one has to wonder if Devon Carter was actually shielding us from the “if you’re into WvW, you’re really into PvE” management at Anet, and they ended up just getting him out of the way so they could push forward with their HoT disaster without having to listen to anyone telling they’re wrong.

Why isnt mt name in the list?

I said yes, but I also want new real WvW maps as well :P

A strawpoll would make things easier.

edit… Oops someone already said that above, no point starting a second:P

Blockhead Magee.3092:

Yes. The new map is not fun. The Alpine map, for the few faults it had, was vastly better!

This.

bring ‘em on back
i want to siege and defend bay
i want to take back sw camp
i want to fight at the southern and northern towers so we don’t get trebbed at keeps we worked to build a wp for
i want to fortify southern towers then have epic battles at spawns
i want the enemy to fortify my southern towers then have epic battles taking it back and at spawn
i don’t care to do any of these things on the current maps.
I don’t like to walk around a keep for 20 minutes trying not to fall to my death
I hate the gimmicks, i hate the pve crap, but i also hate being stuck in ebg all the time

How about a compromise they bring it back only for green team (home border) ?

TheGrimm.5624:

No and here is an example why. Traveling with a small group last night and came around a hill and ran smack into the middle of another small group coming the other way. Complete surprise fight on both sides. Was utter chaos on both sides. Now this could have been mitigated by having a proper lead scout out front and such but the fact that the terrain was able to hide both groups from each other till the last moment was awesome. On the old Alpine maps this might not have even resulted in a fight since one side or the other might have withdrawn on sight of the other as both jockeyed for position. New maps might have issues but they have so much varied combat options that they will stay fresh much longer than the alpine maps ever had.

This could be expanded a bit to read ‘after wondering aimlessly seeing no one to fight for 30 minutes, we finally ran blinkered straight into another group and actually had a fight’.

There has to be players on the map for there to be ‘varied combat options’. They are not ‘fresh’ now- they are dead.

Why do I want the old maps back?

I like to siege up and defend bay
I like to retake sw camp
I like to be able to get to places within my lifetime on a map that should be built for fights, not for scenery (which is ugly anyway)
I like groups trying to defend sw camp and pull people to the choke to fight
I like saying, yeehawww and running in the choke when I know that is exactly what they want me to do, but i am a rebel and a rally-bot and proud of it
I like defending towers that have strategic value so the enemy can’t build trebs
I like having a fully fortified sw or se tower and then having epic fights at the enemy spawn to keep it gleaming and beautiful
I like when the enemy has upgraded my southern towers and there are epic fights there + spawn to take it back.

What I do not like is gimmicks; taller things to fall from, switchbacks that are longer to traverse than it would have taken to run north – south on the old bl’s, AI junk that is not controlled by an enemy player, pve crap in the center, gathering nodes that everyone stops at while doing wvw stuff
Someone else said this earlier and I didn’t realize I felt this way until it sunk in but….i dislike the desert borderland sooo much that I don’t really want it. Even if it cost my server a ppt victory, they can have it and they can keep it. I am not spending six hours just to take back a fully fortified southern tower that means nothing.
But, i also feel stuck in ebg all the time too.

The old alpine maps felt more like a home, they could of used a little fresh paint, but overall they were mine and nobody is taking my home. Ebg was just for fights and SM but it never felt like home either.
Give me back my home ANET. I will even make an epic RP guild for EB (CoT) and Woe to join because that was always their true dream anyway, but we need to go back to the place we grew up in.

Yes please!!! but before the ruins were added, I liked the lake and Quagans. <3

Baldrick.8967:

TheGrimm.5624:

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This could be expanded a bit to read ‘after wondering aimlessly seeing no one to fight for 30 minutes, we finally ran blinkered straight into another group and actually had a fight’.

There has to be players on the map for there to be ‘varied combat options’. They are not ‘fresh’ now- they are dead.

Yeah, except this was being on the map for about 3 minutes. Don’t get me wrong, movement options are something to consider. But towers on the old maps were pretty pointless since you could just bypass. If you didn’t have WPs then you would have a long run back on the old maps as well to get to back SWT/SET/SC. Now not having those towers is a problem that if not addressed will slow you down, there is a price to not controlling things.

New maps are built with more people in mind and that’s when they excel. Also in either case, EB always drew larger numbers then the borderlands, or at least on the servers in which I have played for/against, since there was more targets of attack and thereby more important to control which in turn drew more fights.

That said I have also seen smaller forces be able to hold their own against larger forces using the terrain to their advantage versus the typical pirate ship or run straight thru each other fights the flat maps encouraged.

The new maps are terrible trash and the people that like them are like maybe 1 percent of the rapidly dwindling wvw population. Enjoy your ghost town.

I would be fine with the desert maps in a rotation IF

- The oasis event is elminated
- Fill in all the cracks so I can get around and not fall to my death.

One of my bigger problems is auto-upgrades which is already being addressed.

Yeah new map is to hard for most gw2 wvw’s…….. they like to hide back in a tower if capture keep is a fail, or play a smaller map where a full stacked blob can cross irt faster…

I hope the new alpine map is as big as this one (HoT florest based, with no verticality lol), but with much better keep design and decent mechanics.