Guild Wars 2

What: Thief players eyes.
Why: If I can’t see them, neither should they!

Static.9841:

What: Thief players eyes.
Why: If I can’t see them, neither should they!

Just do this:

What: Thief
Why: Needs a permanent pet that steals 40% of your DPS and dies in an instant

coglin.1867:

Just because a thief once complained about Engineers being OP then this happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q3em9s5I4c

Holy kitten that was freaking hilarious xD

Originally by: Dark FQ.1038

What: Shadow’s Rejuvenation
Why: This trait is so OP in wvw. This thief outnumbered 8 guys just by useing this with the Shadow’s Embrace (condi removal in stealth). These thiefs do mass damage and you can t do anything about it. and if you get them low , they will imidiatly get in stealth regain half of their health and you can t do anything about it. Wvw is full of those thiefs and it makes it really umbalanced. I heard a guy saying yeah but if you have skill you can kill those thiefs. The only guys I seen killing those thiefs are other thiefs with the same build. Condi builds and berserker builds are useless against them. So what works? Thiefs with the same build. I hear countless people say that thief is just the best class for pvp/wvw. Where is the fun if you can t just do anything against them and get killed.
I don t call these thiefs skilled , I just call it cheap.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/PvX-Nerf-Shadow-s-Rejuvenation

Zero Day.2594:

Originally by: Dark FQ.1038

What: Shadow’s Rejuvenation
Why: This trait is so OP in wvw. This thief outnumbered 8 guys just by useing this with the Shadow’s Embrace (condi removal in stealth). These thiefs do mass damage and you can t do anything about it. and if you get them low , they will imidiatly get in stealth regain half of their health and you can t do anything about it. Wvw is full of those thiefs and it makes it really umbalanced. I heard a guy saying yeah but if you have skill you can kill those thiefs. The only guys I seen killing those thiefs are other thiefs with the same build. Condi builds and berserker builds are useless against them. So what works? Thiefs with the same build. I hear countless people say that thief is just the best class for pvp/wvw. Where is the fun if you can t just do anything against them and get killed.
I don t call these thiefs skilled , I just call it cheap.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/PvX-Nerf-Shadow-s-Rejuvenation

Will agree that Shadow’s Rejuvenation needs to be nerfed. A lot. Assassin’s Reward shouldn’t be punishing people for actively staying in combat out of stealth while Shadow’s Rejuvenation rewards people for staying in stealth, healing them completely in a short amount of time.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Zero Day.2594:

Originally by: Dark FQ.1038

What: Shadow’s Rejuvenation
Why: This trait is so OP in wvw. This thief outnumbered 8 guys just by useing this with the Shadow’s Embrace (condi removal in stealth). These thiefs do mass damage and you can t do anything about it. and if you get them low , they will imidiatly get in stealth regain half of their health and you can t do anything about it. Wvw is full of those thiefs and it makes it really umbalanced. I heard a guy saying yeah but if you have skill you can kill those thiefs. The only guys I seen killing those thiefs are other thiefs with the same build. Condi builds and berserker builds are useless against them. So what works? Thiefs with the same build. I hear countless people say that thief is just the best class for pvp/wvw. Where is the fun if you can t just do anything against them and get killed.
I don t call these thiefs skilled , I just call it cheap.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/PvX-Nerf-Shadow-s-Rejuvenation

Will agree that Shadow’s Rejuvenation needs to be nerfed. A lot. Assassin’s Reward shouldn’t be punishing people for actively staying in combat out of stealth while Shadow’s Rejuvenation rewards people for staying in stealth, healing them completely in a short amount of time.

I mean … do you even play a thief ? 320 hp/s while sitting in stealth… daaaaaamn that’s a lot!

Karolis.4261:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Zero Day.2594:

Originally by: Dark FQ.1038

What: Shadow’s Rejuvenation
Why: This trait is so OP in wvw. This thief outnumbered 8 guys just by useing this with the Shadow’s Embrace (condi removal in stealth). These thiefs do mass damage and you can t do anything about it. and if you get them low , they will imidiatly get in stealth regain half of their health and you can t do anything about it. Wvw is full of those thiefs and it makes it really umbalanced. I heard a guy saying yeah but if you have skill you can kill those thiefs. The only guys I seen killing those thiefs are other thiefs with the same build. Condi builds and berserker builds are useless against them. So what works? Thiefs with the same build. I hear countless people say that thief is just the best class for pvp/wvw. Where is the fun if you can t just do anything against them and get killed.
I don t call these thiefs skilled , I just call it cheap.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/PvX-Nerf-Shadow-s-Rejuvenation

Will agree that Shadow’s Rejuvenation needs to be nerfed. A lot. Assassin’s Reward shouldn’t be punishing people for actively staying in combat out of stealth while Shadow’s Rejuvenation rewards people for staying in stealth, healing them completely in a short amount of time.

I mean … do you even play a thief ? 320 hp/s while sitting in stealth… daaaaaamn that’s a lot!

I don’t think the base needs to be nerfed. It’s in a Healing Power tree though, and the trait itself scales too well with Healing. I’ve been known to run an “invincible” condition thief using Apothecary gear to troll zergs for days, and you’re able to get well over 1000 HPS in stealth with even a minor investment in healing power.

This is a nerf wish list after all… it is a nerf he is requesting…

since which day this thread is a serious thread about nerfs^^ btw thieves who prefer non stealth builds should be more conservative with their statements about nerfing shadow rejuvenation … it’s not OP^^ but the intention staying in stealth can be annoying BUT who do u want to kill in stealth

the sad part devs took it serious~

Cynz.9437:

the sad part devs took it serious~

:D Lol

Wow, I guess the sarcasm was too strong :x I thought people would get it with the “as only over 1000 HPS without much investment into healing power”, but I guess that one flew over too. Sarcasm was intended, people!

Viking Jorun.5413:

Zero Day.2594:

Originally by: Dark FQ.1038

What: Shadow’s Rejuvenation
Why: This trait is so OP in wvw. This thief outnumbered 8 guys just by useing this with the Shadow’s Embrace (condi removal in stealth). These thiefs do mass damage and you can t do anything about it. and if you get them low , they will imidiatly get in stealth regain half of their health and you can t do anything about it. Wvw is full of those thiefs and it makes it really umbalanced. I heard a guy saying yeah but if you have skill you can kill those thiefs. The only guys I seen killing those thiefs are other thiefs with the same build. Condi builds and berserker builds are useless against them. So what works? Thiefs with the same build. I hear countless people say that thief is just the best class for pvp/wvw. Where is the fun if you can t just do anything against them and get killed.
I don t call these thiefs skilled , I just call it cheap.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/PvX-Nerf-Shadow-s-Rejuvenation

Will agree that Shadow’s Rejuvenation needs to be nerfed. A lot. Assassin’s Reward shouldn’t be punishing people for actively staying in combat out of stealth while Shadow’s Rejuvenation rewards people for staying in stealth, healing them completely in a short amount of time.

LMAO. The only thing its good for is outhealing 1 stack of bleed from a Necro. C’mon now

I run into Warriors all the time tanking 20 stacks of bleed, their health isn’t even moving, why don’t people complain about those? Because you can see them? lol

Nice thread btw, the sad part is the truth behind all this though, people will never acknowledge their bad play, they’ll just blame the entire class. Thief has already been nerfed into oblivion. As long as they don’t nerf CnD, I’ll always remain “OP” tho.

Originally by: Yoh.8469

What: Initiative regeneration under chill
Why: We know that Chill causes 66% movement and cooldown speed reduction, which is pretty powerful. However, Thieves don’t have cool downs on their weapons because of Initiative, so doesn’t this give their weapon skills immunity to that part of the condition?
Suggestion: They should get some sort of penalty instead, like a reduction on Initiative gain.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/PvX-Chill-vs-Initiative

Originally by: Hitman.5829

What: Shadow Embrace
Why: The thief can remove 2 conditions each time he goes in stealth, if and only if at least 10 points are spend in shadow arts. This means that a thief can remove 2 conditions every 3-4 seconds since they are constantly in stealth. Thieves have access to: (A.) Infiltrator strike on the sword #2 skill, which allows the thief to remove any condition any time he wants. (B.) Hide in shadows (the healing skill) that removes burning poison and bleeding (and 2 more condition because they have shadow embrace treated.) (C.) Shadow step which removes 3 condition and 3 more condition removed when shadow return is activated. (D.) Shadow refuge which can remove up to 6 condition (because they can last in stealth for 15 seconds which means that one condition is removed upon entering stealth + 5 conditions removed in the 15 seconds of stealth). By just spending 10 points in survival, the thief can have access to an incredible survival build. Keep in mind the following: (A.) Shadow step will also break stunts TWICE. (B.) Infiltrator strike will return to original place confusing the attacker, if you are immobilized, just use infiltrators return so your attacker cannot get to you. (C.) Shadow refuge 15 seconds of WTF where Is the thief. (the condition removal skills recharging, him gaining initiative/health). Now the thief can use the remaining 60 points to make a powerful damage build.
Suggestion: If the thief wants to have a survival build, then change the shadow embrace trait to grand master. That will force them to spend 30 points in survival.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/PvP-WvW-Thief-shadow-embrace-OP

Viking Jorun.5413:

Wow, I guess the sarcasm was too strong :x I thought people would get it with the “as only over 1000 HPS without much investment into healing power”, but I guess that one flew over too. Sarcasm was intended, people!

Because kittens believe in such numbers.

just delete us.
why? i’m tired to read posts about nerfs

Lucky Shot.7650:

Originally by: Yoh.8469

What: Initiative regeneration under chill
Why: We know that Chill causes 66% movement and cooldown speed reduction, which is pretty powerful. However, Thieves don’t have cool downs on their weapons because of Initiative, so doesn’t this give their weapon skills immunity to that part of the condition?
Suggestion: They should get some sort of penalty instead, like a reduction on Initiative gain.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/PvX-Chill-vs-Initiative

Originally by: Hitman.5829

What: Shadow Embrace
Why: The thief can remove 2 conditions each time he goes in stealth, if and only if at least 10 points are spend in shadow arts. This means that a thief can remove 2 conditions every 3-4 seconds since they are constantly in stealth. Thieves have access to: (A.) Infiltrator strike on the sword #2 skill, which allows the thief to remove any condition any time he wants. (B.) Hide in shadows (the healing skill) that removes burning poison and bleeding (and 2 more condition because they have shadow embrace treated.) (C.) Shadow step which removes 3 condition and 3 more condition removed when shadow return is activated. (D.) Shadow refuge which can remove up to 6 condition (because they can last in stealth for 15 seconds which means that one condition is removed upon entering stealth + 5 conditions removed in the 15 seconds of stealth). By just spending 10 points in survival, the thief can have access to an incredible survival build. Keep in mind the following: (A.) Shadow step will also break stunts TWICE. (B.) Infiltrator strike will return to original place confusing the attacker, if you are immobilized, just use infiltrators return so your attacker cannot get to you. (C.) Shadow refuge 15 seconds of WTF where Is the thief. (the condition removal skills recharging, him gaining initiative/health). Now the thief can use the remaining 60 points to make a powerful damage build.
Suggestion: If the thief wants to have a survival build, then change the shadow embrace trait to grand master. That will force them to spend 30 points in survival.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/PvP-WvW-Thief-shadow-embrace-OP

Initiative regen under chilled has already been discussed by Jon Sharp, who says that -66% initiative regeneration would be way too big a hit on thieves, and he likes that we’re somewhat of a hard counter to chill-based builds altogether.

Sparda.9750:

just delete us
why? i’m tired to read posts about nerfs

and give us free lv 80 warrior in full ascended armor with legendary ty

Cynz.9437:

Sparda.9750:

just delete us
why? i’m tired to read posts about nerfs

and give us free lv 80 warrior in full ascended armor with legendary ty

Then sell legendary, buy full ascended for teefz and pwn face.

All is Vain.

What to nerf:
Daggers and Shortbows

Why
Thief are seen using these as weapons! S.o. might geht hurt! REMOVE!

Viking Jorun.5413:

Cynz.9437:

Sparda.9750:

just delete us
why? i’m tired to read posts about nerfs

and give us free lv 80 warrior in full ascended armor with legendary ty

Then sell legendary, buy full ascended for teefz and pwn face.

All is Vain.

my thief already has full ascended armor + trinkets + legendary; if they deleted the class i would lose all of it ._.

What?Thief’s endurance and run speed

Why Thiefs are not supposed to be able to use dodge on toop of all their rolling and teleporting skills!!! IT IS FAR TOO OP!! I cannot kill one with my Warrior without the use of 2 HANDS!! You hear me? I NEED 2 HANDS TO KILL ONE!! simply 1 hand on the mouse is not enough!!!

How to Change; Remove Endurance from Thiefs, so they cannot dodge. Also make them walk instead of run, any swiftness buff will be neglected on Thiefs.
Wait.. Might as well as make them immobilize as soon as a player is in sight.

What: Thif soup.
Why: BECAUSE THIF SO OP!!! GET IT?!?! THIF SOOP?

You probably don’t. :c

What: Thief using black dye
Why: because thief shouldnt have swag or look gangsta in the first place and needs to wear pink so that we spot them faster.

What: Thief wearing medium armor
Why: because thief are too poor by definition to buy themselve leather coat, its a direct offense to the game realism O_O

What: thief using poison
Why: because they cant accidentaly poison themselves when applying a poison in the middle of a fight

how to: Give the thief a chance based on how many apothecary items he does not wear to actualy poison himself by accident when applying a poison to his weapon the thief should also have a craft in wich he is forced to specialise called alchemy so that he needs to constantly craft himself vials of poison to use them in the first place.

kyubi.3620:

What: Thief using black dye
Why: because thief shouldnt have swag or look gangsta in the first place and needs to wear pink so that we spot them faster.

What: Thief wearing medium armor
Why: because thief are too poor by definition to buy themselve leather coat, its a direct offense to the game realism O_O

What: thief using poison
Why: because they cant accidentaly poison themselves when applying a poison in the middle of a fight

how to: Give the thief a chance based on how many apothecary items he does not wear to actualy poison himself by accident when applying a poison to his weapon the thief should also have a craft in wich he is forced to specialise called alchemy so that he needs to constantly craft himself vials of poison to use them in the first place.

Also maybe make the theif have a 99% chance of having the venom effects effect themselves when used! Coz thiefs are so dumb they drink them instead of applying them to weapons 99% of the time.

What: I don’t even know.

Why: what, am I expected to know what I’m nerfing now?! Christ, this is thief we’re talking about, just nerf whatever you want, I don’t give a kitten. Just stop harassing me!

What: Everything

Why: I went afk in the middle of EB to make a sandwich and I came back to find myself dead and a Thief dancing on my corpse. This is clear evidence that the whole class is unacceptably OP and requires immediate deletion and replacement with the sandwichmancer.

I like sandwiches.

Auesis.7301:

What: Everything

Why: I went afk in the middle of EB to make a sandwich and I came back to find myself dead and a Thief dancing on my corpse. This is clear evidence that the whole class is unacceptably OP and requires immediate deletion and replacement with the sandwichmancer.

I like sandwiches.

On the contrary, I went afk on my thief to eat a sandwich and came back 30 minutes later and wasn’t dead! Clearly thief is OP!

Viking Jorun.5413:

Auesis.7301:

What: Everything

Why: I went afk in the middle of EB to make a sandwich and I came back to find myself dead and a Thief dancing on my corpse. This is clear evidence that the whole class is unacceptably OP and requires immediate deletion and replacement with the sandwichmancer.

I like sandwiches.

On the contrary, I went afk on my thief to eat a sandwich and came back 30 minutes later and wasn’t dead! Clearly thief is OP!

Next time be sure to /dance then go eat a sandwich. Come back to bodies piled around you and bags everywhere.

ArtemisEntreri.4138:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Auesis.7301:

What: Everything

Why: I went afk in the middle of EB to make a sandwich and I came back to find myself dead and a Thief dancing on my corpse. This is clear evidence that the whole class is unacceptably OP and requires immediate deletion and replacement with the sandwichmancer.

I like sandwiches.

On the contrary, I went afk on my thief to eat a sandwich and came back 30 minutes later and wasn’t dead! Clearly thief is OP!

Next time be sure to /dance then go eat a sandwich. Come back to bodies piled around you and bags everywhere.

Or you could just scream…
“MOM SANDWICH… kitten!”
(sandwich replaced meatloaf…)

Cynz.9437:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Cynz.9437:

Sparda.9750:

just delete us
why? i’m tired to read posts about nerfs

and give us free lv 80 warrior in full ascended armor with legendary ty

Then sell legendary, buy full ascended for teefz and pwn face.

All is Vain.

my thief already has full ascended armor + trinkets + legendary; if they deleted the class i would lose all of it ._.

less thieves, more warriors

Infiltrators strike/return needs the shadowstep removed from it. Still too strong/unfun.

Original thread:https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/PvP-Nerfs-needed-on-every-class/first#post3558359

Maugetarr.6823:

Infiltrators strike/return needs the shadowstep removed from it. Still too strong/unfun.

Original thread:https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/PvP-Nerfs-needed-on-every-class/first#post3558359

I just want to ask…what does the skill become then? Do we ice-skate back to our original position? o_O

Auesis.7301:

Maugetarr.6823:

Infiltrators strike/return needs the shadowstep removed from it. Still too strong/unfun.

Original thread:https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/PvP-Nerfs-needed-on-every-class/first#post3558359

I just want to ask…what does the skill become then? Do we ice-skate back to our original position? o_O

Per the suggestion from the author:

“Thief:
1. Sword 2. It is just not fun to fight against. Remove the teleport aspect and instead add in a cripple and a transfer of one condition to whoever you hit on your next attack.”

I don’t mind the condi transfer idea, but does S/D need 3 cripples and no gap closers?

What: Thief’s Shortbows

Why: Every thief is using them so it must be an OP weapon. For starters, thieves are abusing the ultra-short range to detonate arrows at point blank, and that is unrealistic and unfun. The explosion should damage the thief too to prevent that, and since the projectile is slow, the thief has time to get out of the way so the change is balanced.

Also thieves are spamming evades too much, so, whenever they use SB #3, they must suffer a 20% cumulative chance of the bow’s string snapping, and slashing their eyes, blinding them. Then, the string should fall to their feet, entangling them, and inflicting cripple for 10 seconds.

Choking gas is going to be nerfed already so that’s OK. Finally, I see that you removed the infiltrator’s arrow, but thieves still keep teleporting neverthless, so they must be using a exploit. Fix it please.

What: S/D and S/P (?!!!)

Why: These builds have too much evasion. Weapon skill evasion should also cost endurance. Thief still to mobile. Too much damage. Too much burst.

Original Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/Pvp-Thief-S-D-thief-is-still-too-strong/first#post3561428

What: Thief removed from game

Why: Every build is considered OP. No buffs or balance can get through.

Originally by: Bubby.6475

What: Backstab
Why: Backstab stealth builds usually had no drawbacks for missing a backstab. This was a pretty hot topic on /r/guildwars2.
Suggestion: How about giving backstab a 3 second cooldown while being stealthed.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/Stealth-Backstab-no-risk-high-reward

Heya guys,i cannot believe some of the nerf requests,ppl are so lazy they dont even try to understand why they died.My chars are necro and ranger and i play lot of wvw and of course i met a lot of thiefs,some i killed(the noob ones)some i didnt(the decent ones).But i dont start to blame a whole class for my lack of skill thats just kittened.i actually whisper a good thief after he killed me and ask him for advice and if he wants to duel me and most of them are really awesome dudes and do just that.once it took me 7 tries to kill a d/p thief(i suck that bad)but thx for the poor guys patience i managed and learned something so ppl should try to put a bit of effort and actually try and stop kittening and qq.ohh and btw i started a thief too and its so hard compared to my necro and ranger i was totally lost in pvp,so ppl should try playing a thief and see the lvl of skill requiered to be decent.

Evlboy.6973:

Heya guys,i cannot believe some of the nerf requests,ppl are so lazy they dont even try to understand why they died.My chars are necro and ranger and i play lot of wvw and of course i met a lot of thiefs,some i killed(the noob ones)some i didnt(the decent ones).But i dont start to blame a whole class for my lack of skill thats just kittened.i actually whisper a good thief after he killed me and ask him for advice and if he wants to duel me and most of them are really awesome dudes and do just that.once it took me 7 tries to kill a d/p thief(i suck that bad)but thx for the poor guys patience i managed and learned something so ppl should try to put a bit of effort and actually try and stop kittening and qq.ohh and btw i started a thief too and its so hard compared to my necro and ranger i was totally lost in pvp,so ppl should try playing a thief and see the lvl of skill requiered to be decent.

Not everyone is like you, some would rather get the class nerfed down.

And here i thought that gw2 actually has a mature community.

What:Thiefs !!!
Why: They are evil,they killed my puppy .

What: Thiefs !!!
Why: They are OP,they stoled my girlfriend and one is dating my mom.

Evlboy.6973:

And here i thought that gw2 actually has a mature community.

Refer to signature:

What: Stability
Why: OMG a thief can whirl in lala w1th th3 St@bi1ity… omg we can’t throw a thief around… WHY CANTZ WE KNOCKS HIM DOWN!? Thief Stability is so OP! NERF NERF

What: Frontstab
Why: It’s a OP ability that’s not widely known. When you backstab the target from the front (in their face), it’s a frontstab… but the name says backstab, you shouldn’t be able to frontstab people. It’s so OP that it not only kills the character, but the user playing the character, hence this ability isn’t widely known.

Zero Day.2594:

What: Frontstab
Why: It’s a OP ability that’s not widely known. When you backstab the target from the front (in their face), it’s a frontstab… but the name says backstab, you shouldn’t be able to frontstab people. It’s so OP that it not only kills the character, but the user playing the character, hence this ability isn’t widely known.

Yea once I saw a player beside me being front stabbed… not very nice..

Nerf dagger dmg for theifs to only do 1 dmg that misses 99.9% of the time for this please!

Evlboy.6973:

What: Thiefs !!!
Why: They are OP,they stoled my girlfriend and one is dating my mom.

i must infer from this that your mom was your girlfriend.

BrunoBRS.5178:

Evlboy.6973:

What: Thiefs !!!
Why: They are OP,they stoled my girlfriend and one is dating my mom.

i must infer from this that your mom was your girlfriend.

Oedipus complex anyone?