Guild Wars 2

#teefMasterRace
OOOOPEEEEH at crafting even

Zero Day.2594:

#teefMasterProf
OOOOPEEEEH at crafting even

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Cynz.9437:

Zero Day.2594:

#teefMasterProf
OOOOPEEEEH at crafting even

fixed

the forum was bugged… had to post something.

Originally by: Peow peow.2189

What: this class (Thief)
Why:First of all you cannot shut down this class anymore. They have too many evades and escapes. Why should a class be given weapon evades, utility evades and dodge rolls with vigor. When can your enemy even touch you?

Secondly, they have to much regen. If a thief uses vamprism runes or shadows regeneration skill set, they either run away and heal or continue to heal every few seconds. Some thieves have low life cause they know they will regen it all every few seconds and cant be killed no matter what. I hardly see thiefs get killed inpvp anymore.

Thirdly, the class has too much swiftness uptime and can daze every few seconds with pistol. It’s only class that can achieve such mobility and fly around the map dazing people.

Anet needs to nerf this class before its to late.
Thread:https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-is-overpowered/first

Fortus.6175:

And I approve this message, this should also be a sticky on top of the forum, next to the warrior one.

My list:
10-16k backstabs need to go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9d4Og8KbEM

Perma ability to reset fights and run away is pretty much, in the right hand, 100% immortality, specially when they can make an attrition war last forever until you die or they simply walk away.

After seeing the thief’s action in the past, it is really laughable that people even complain about Rapid Fire LOL. I know this is only in the past before all the nerfs, but my point is it’s like 10 times stronger than RF. What a joke.

Originally by: EremiteAngel.9765

What: do not allow F2 + F1 combo
Why:
this is supposed to be a QOL change
not a buff
so we should not allow F2 + F1 combo
meaning if for eg a fear bundle F2 is used, F1 should be locked to prevent the thief from activating at range then using F1 to steal and blink in for the fear to connect at close range
or imagine activating whirling axe bundle + steal to blink in on a warrior
or imagine doing a range daze on guards by activating F2 then using F1 to blink in
no chance for guard to reliably counter
when traited, steal already poison, dmg, daze, grant fury and more
it is too much to allow F2 and F1 to work together
this is too OP
or if F1 is used while F2 is casting, it cancels F2
true that it can already be done with instant blink skills
BUT those are on LONGER cooldowns and don’t give the insane things that a traited LOW COOLDOWN steal does
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/do-not-allow-F2-F1-combo

This is kind of like a pre-release request, thought I would document it to see if it occur post-release – surely it will.
The other interesting thing is, he’s essentially saying not to buff steal in this case. The reason I find this interesting is that it could potentially signify evolution or a new species of QQ posts. Instead of asking for something to be nerfed, they could start progressively asking for something to not/never be buffed. Very interesting post specimen.

Zero Day.2594:

Instead of asking for something to be nerfed, they could start progressively asking for something to not/never be buffed. Very interesting post specimen.

Yeah although my head starts to feel weird with all the possibilities.

This thread is pure gold

Jana.6831:

Zero Day.2594:

Instead of asking for something to be nerfed, they could start progressively asking for something to not/never be buffed. Very interesting post specimen.

Yeah although my head starts to feel weird with all the possibilities.

Let’s never buff short bow skills! They give too much evades as it is.

:D That’s just an example, yes this type of posts opens up a whole new world of requests. Lucky to have come by it.

Sizzle Hint.1820:

This thread is pure gold

Glad I can humor you, hopefully in more than one way.

You mean dodgebow?
See, if thieves themselves are calling it dodgebow already, then lets never buff ability #3!!

Edit: See it’s not just about the weapons but all weaponskills! EVEN MORE POSSIBILITIES!

Again, i find this thread interesting. Example: in real life: sometimes even your enemies can care and have compassion for you and will even help you.

Do you know how many enemies thief players help me in the game: save me?

Alot.

Thread like this make me feel: many thieves players care, have compassion and understand why we other professions are suffering by your profession and want to see serious change like us

That is all

DarkSyze.8627:

Again, i find this thread interesting. Example: in real life: sometimes even your enemies can care and have compassion for you and will even help you.

Do you know how many enemies thief players help me in the game: save me?

Alot.

Thread like this make me feel: many thieves players care, have compassion and understand why we other professions are suffering by your profession and want to see serious change like us

That is all

I agree DarkSyze and i read a lot of your posts and think they are all very true.

I play longbow ranger and the only thing i can do vs thief is stand still and wait for him to kill me because fighting back is useless, he just teleport away go in stealth and heal back to full hp. I think a lot of stuff has to be changed on the thief profession to make it balanced. Start with the insane amount of stealth would be a good and backstab damage also.

Jana.6831:

babayum.1895:

I agree DarkSyze and i read a lot of your posts and think they are all very true.

I play longbow ranger and the only thing i can do vs thief is stand still and wait for him to kill me because fighting back is useless, he just teleport away go in stealth and heal back to full hp. I think a lot of stuff has to be changed on the thief profession to make it balanced. Start with the insane amount of stealth would be a good and backstab damage also.

I mained a ranger before I stumbled across thief.
Your class has awesome mechanics against thieves, you just need to learn them.
Most rangers I encounter clutch their longbow and pew pew pew into my daggerstorm – their own fault.

What you mean awesome mechanic? Stealth trap is not mechanic of ranger… and if i dont have supply im screwed…

Anyways… please take the discussion to another thread (before it get’s out of control), this is mainly for requests.

Jana.6831:

babayum.1895:

What you mean awesome mechanic? Stealth trap is not mechanic of ranger…

It would be a lot if I explain to you how traps work, what sic em does, what pet would be best for what occassion, what your weapons do – ask in the ranger forums? I’m sure there’s someone who knows how to play the class =)

Trap in power ranger is not good idea… dont have many condition damage… sic em he just shadow step away wait for reveal be gone then come back and kill me…

only way is with stealth trap but even then sometimes they notice run away and come back when i dont have supply anymore…

Nerf: thief wish list
how: Derail thread
Why: Thieves can’t have nice things

Highlie.7641:

Nerf: thief wish list
how: Derail thread
Why: Thieves can’t have nice things

Yes, requests only please…

haha you guys…wish there were more of ye fun lot around

zero check pvp forums, they are golden atm

Originally by: Supreme.3164

What:
Why: I specifically mention thieves because I don’t believe that mesmer stealth pose any major problem, same thing cannot be said for thieves.

My main issue is Initiative and here I want to stretch myself by saying that the mechanic itself is not evil, the core problem is the ability of thieves to easily refill the initiative bar, this greatly reduce the amount of counterplay , the margin of error is increased tenfold respect to any other profession this is why professions are being forced into specific builds by the thief class, while their margin of error increase..yours decrease, therefore you’re forced to increase your own margin of error by using other OP elements in the game.

With all this said and done, I’m not here asking to nerf thief to oblivion, neither I’m asking to remove the initiative mechanic.

Simply I think that thieves don’t get punished enough for a failed attack, this way they can reset the fight indefinitely; the initiative mechanic already remove that “CD strategy counterplay” which is common for most MMO and all other professions in this game.
Suggestion:So these are my proposals:
1) 3s reveal on block
2) 1s reveal on missed attack ( dodge/blind etc etc)
3) Chill reduce Initiative regeneration
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/We-need-more-counterplay-to-Thief-Stealth

Cynz.9437:

zero check pvp forums, they are golden atm

Thanks for letting me know. Feel free to add them if you see any, I’m kind of out and about.

Originally by: Peow peow.2189

What: Thiefs
Why: First of all, there is more then one build that gaurantees win on thief.

As an experiment myself and 4 friends all qued up in spvp kitten d/d thiefs. We roamed the map in groups of 2 with 1 guy holding home and literally 1sec comboed the enemiy team. Players were disconnecting because what we were doing was unstoppable, and simply overpowered.

Sure at the moment you dont see thief picked up in every battle, but give it a month and people will start noticing how strongly buffed the class has become in comparison to others, over the last few patches.

With these changes made, we have a more balanced meta with thiefs becoming a more challenging class to play, instead of the insta-win they are at the moment.

Suggestion:The first thing that must be done if we wish to have a good game, is to cut all weapon evades from the thief class, as they currently have enough evades through dodge rolls and utilities, as well as vigor.

The second step to making a more balanced thief, is to give each class that isn’t a thief a new ability. This ability will counter stealth for a few seconds. Lets say the thief is DP and spamming powder/heart seeker or DD with CnD. Well stealth lasts up to 5 – 10 sec, therefore we make a skill that reveals invisible units for 4 seconds on a 20 second cooldown. This skill will be called eye seeker and a hard counter to perm stealth builds. Every class but thief will have this as an optional utility.

The last step to rid the game of this Overpowerd character and to balance the class, would be to scale attack speed according to enemy armour. The thief currently puts out to much damage to fast, with a quick attack speed and 100% crits with hidden killer. If an enemy has high armour, the thief will then be dealt a frost effect after hitting from stealth, this effect would reduce attack speed per strike. The effect will stack up to 4 times, reducing attack speed by 25% each stack.

Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-is-overpowered/page/2#post5129370

the sad thing is… some bad players actually still believe teef is op

Tarkan.5609:

the sad thing is… some bad players actually still believe teef is op

the best part of it is when they roll thief thinking they gonna get carried and then spend whole match in downstate and cry to me how thief is unplayable :P

Cynz.9437:

Tarkan.5609:

the sad thing is… some bad players actually still believe teef is op

the best part of it is when they roll thief thinking they gonna get carried and then spend whole match in downstate and cry to me how thief is unplayable :P

That’s because you confuse learning curve with potential.

I’m a thief, but I think blind really is taking up to much space in thief. I want more health and less blind.
What: Blind
Why: There’s so much of it you can’t even hit a thief.

Zero, check out the guardian forum. Multiple threads are crying that thief is too strong against guardian..

Drennon.7190:

Zero, check out the guardian forum. Multiple threads are crying that thief is too strong against guardian..

Guardians are a Soldier Profession. All i am saying is, “Remember their Sacrifice”

Leave them alone.

Drennon.7190:

Zero, check out the guardian forum. Multiple threads are crying that thief is too strong against guardian..

You guys are allowed to post those requests like I’ve been doing as well…
Just follow the format, look at the examples (Originally by/What/Why/Suggestion (if any)/Thread).

I’m going to start looking through and see if I can find them…
Can’t be bothered going through that thread, too much clutter. Feel free to add their “requests” here though if you’ve been following them along.

Khahahah… Khahahaha… Khahahah…
Good Post-troll x)
I have read in this post no problem but QQ of BAD PLAYER in PVP ^^
1) Take the problem and you explain pro and con and because fix this problem and how resolve the problem!.
If y hv QQ for y Bad Gameplay or for y Class WRITE IN Y PROFESSION CLASS for no QQ free ^^" … TY! ^^

The guard forum came to us calling zero

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/F2-button-for-Stolen-Item-skill-usage/page/3 (second half of the page)

Originally by: Ragnarox.9601

What: Steal
Why: in HoT guardians do not have any daze so its not right to steal something that guardians do not have. You can’t steal money from someone who don’t even have it.
Suggestion: remove stealing daze from guardians
Thread:https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/F2-button-for-Stolen-Item-skill-usage/page/3#post5131157

Originally by: ZeftheWicked.3076

What: Thieves need a fix, a-net.
Why: Shadowstepping. Stealth not removed when blocked or evaded, basilisk venom piercing stability, phletora of instant casts including a heal skill that breaks movement inpairment and has massive evade, initiative unaffected by chilling or interrupt induced skill cooldown.
So where exactly is the room for “skilled counter gameplay” against a thief who knows his stuff in pvp? Cause so far all i see is the “hold the point and survive for as long as possible”.
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Thieves-need-a-fix-a-net

What: Last Refuge + Hard to Catch combo
Why: The Thief should not be able to shadowstep, blind and stealth at the same time when dazed at 25% HP. I was just going to finish the Thief off, then poof, he’s nowhere to be found. Since the stealth lasted for 3s and the Dazed only lasted for 1s, he was able to run away due to the Swiftness buff from Hard to Catch.

What: Hard to Catch
Why: Trait is too good to be around, insta teleport and stunbreak what is this anet? Remove the port, double the internal cooldown and give thief revealed when this trait procs to make it at least not overpowered anymore as any thief build atm uses it

This thread still exists? Clearly it represents the embers left after a flame has tried to been stamped out, like the thief community, therefore it needs to be nerfed, you thieves deserve nothing, not even the leather on your filthy backs

RedSpectrum.1975:

This thread still exists? Clearly it represents the embers left after a flame has tried to been stamped out, like the thief community, therefore it needs to be nerfed, you thieves deserve nothing, not even the leather on your filthy backs

That is more than likely to happen when they’re done dicing up our stolen items.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

RedSpectrum.1975:

This thread still exists? Clearly it represents the embers left after a flame has tried to been stamped out, like the thief community, therefore it needs to be nerfed, you thieves deserve nothing, not even the leather on your filthy backs

That is more than likely to happen when they’re done dicing up our stolen items.

Heh… Yeah I was thinking of taking this “thread” and making it into a website+app… which will be away from ANet’s reach… Plus that way I can edit/clean things up…(as in formatting/preventing derailment… so on) – Also correlate to how many changes have been made that have satisfied/partially satisfied a request. Generate word clouds (should be fun…)… get a list going for montages/“OP” videos (like that mlg no scope 360 range kill). At the very least crawl this thread and save it…. so i can parse it later… oh man… ideas keep coming, make a web crawler that looks for the words “thief” and “nerf”… Provide stats on how many nerfs/buffs/neutral changes have been made…

All that wrapped up in a troll/humorous theme.

at the same time, i doubt it will be used/visited much…. as in a minority come to the forums and a fraction of them might go to the site.

Zero Day.2594:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

RedSpectrum.1975:

This thread still exists? Clearly it represents the embers left after a flame has tried to been stamped out, like the thief community, therefore it needs to be nerfed, you thieves deserve nothing, not even the leather on your filthy backs

That is more than likely to happen when they’re done dicing up our stolen items.

Heh… Yeah I was thinking of taking this “thread” and making it into a website+app… which will be away from ANet’s reach… Plus that way I can edit/clean things up…(as in formatting/preventing derailment… so on) – Also correlate to how many changes have been made that have satisfied/partially satisfied a request. Generate word clouds (should be fun…)… get a list going for montages/“OP” videos (like that mlg no scope 360 range kill). At the very least crawl this thread and save it…. so i can parse it later… oh man… ideas keep coming, make a web crawler that looks for the words “thief” and “nerf”… Provide stats on how many nerfs/buffs/neutral changes have been made…

All that wrapped up in a troll/humorous theme.

at the same time, i doubt it will be used/visited much…. as in a minority come to the forums and a fraction of them might go to the site.

lol, each request is worthy of comic strip at least.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Zero Day.2594:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

RedSpectrum.1975:

This thread still exists? Clearly it represents the embers left after a flame has tried to been stamped out, like the thief community, therefore it needs to be nerfed, you thieves deserve nothing, not even the leather on your filthy backs

That is more than likely to happen when they’re done dicing up our stolen items.

Heh… Yeah I was thinking of taking this “thread” and making it into a website+app… which will be away from ANet’s reach… Plus that way I can edit/clean things up…(as in formatting/preventing derailment… so on) – Also correlate to how many changes have been made that have satisfied/partially satisfied a request. Generate word clouds (should be fun…)… get a list going for montages/“OP” videos (like that mlg no scope 360 range kill). At the very least crawl this thread and save it…. so i can parse it later… oh man… ideas keep coming, make a web crawler that looks for the words “thief” and “nerf”… Provide stats on how many nerfs/buffs/neutral changes have been made…

All that wrapped up in a troll/humorous theme.

at the same time, i doubt it will be used/visited much…. as in a minority come to the forums and a fraction of them might go to the site.

lol, each request is worthy of comic strip at least.

Fanart/comic linking to a post… great idea

Originally by: Azure The Heartless.3261

What: Thief
Why:
Hey guys. Nerf thief cause I said it.
I play ranger and they hit me too hard
so… yeah
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-is-overpowered/page/2#post5136244

:P

Originally by: Coronit.9432:

What: Peow peow´s thief
Why: He seems to be so overpowered contrary to everyone else. Its unfair. He oneshots everything while in stealth, evading and being invincible. And not forgetting that all of his ports are always working (to close for steal ftw).
Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Thief-is-overpowered/page/2#post5138204

ronpierce.2760:

Cynz.9437:

Tarkan.5609:

the sad thing is… some bad players actually still believe teef is op

the best part of it is when they roll thief thinking they gonna get carried and then spend whole match in downstate and cry to me how thief is unplayable :P

That’s because you confuse learning curve with potential.

so…. let’s punish players for learning how to play class well?………

Cynz.9437:

ronpierce.2760:

Cynz.9437:

Tarkan.5609:

the sad thing is… some bad players actually still believe teef is op

the best part of it is when they roll thief thinking they gonna get carried and then spend whole match in downstate and cry to me how thief is unplayable :P

That’s because you confuse learning curve with potential.

so…. let’s punish players for learning how to play class well?………

Not punish. Rework the learning curve a bit. (Slightly better staying power, slightly less other areas), nothing enough to cause homogenization. I won’t get too specific here because I know it’s not in my best interest to discuss these things in a thief forum.

(Why have I not seen this before?! )
What: Thieves
Why: They are the leading cause of dehydration due to the shedding of so many tears. OP skill sets and they can stealth!!!

Originally by: EremiteAngel.9765

What: Master Thieves
Why: The problem is a Master thief vs a Master [insert any class here] is going to be advantage to the thief, with the exception of a Master Guardian.

Of all the classes, a Master level Thief holds the advantage.
Only a Master level Guardian can proudly say that they have the edge over a Master level thief.

Thieves are OP to every other class except Guardian.

All classes under the control of superb Master level players, Thief comes out on top in every encounter except vs Guardians.

Thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/I-must-apologize/first#post5145321

Thanks Lyrsen!

What: Thieves
Why: Because they break the law.

Wishes are coming true!

You guys better still be playing this game.

Zero Day.2594:

Wishes are coming true!

You guys better still be playing this game.

sad, isn’t (it)? the bias is so unreal… i don’t think i ever got trolled so hard before and i played quite few games in the past lol

on the bright side i caaaaan’t wait to see all those tears from people crying about s/d…. people think stealth is bad? they didn’t face real monster in masses yet xD