I don’t get why people complain about this build when I have runned a sword/shield hammer build and have totally wrecked classes with that cc. Also before the mace it use to be the hammer burst then switch to gs concept has been around forever why cry now
because now it’s overpowered, whereas before it wasn’t.
Thieves in particular have a ton of ways to counter this build. Eat the skull crack then shadowstep away. If you see the warrior take out his mace, throw down a blind field. I think you can steal while stunned (but haven’t played my thief in a while so I may be mistaken) and if you trait for sleight of hand you can interrupt the HB. Infiltrator’s signet breaks stun and you can headshot the HB or get out if you don’t use pistol offhand. Sword main hand is basically immune to this build as long as you can keep the warrior away from your starting point. Really it comes down to what everyone else is saying: “stop treating warriors are free kills.”
My Mesmer build makes this build look like utter kitten … 30 30 10 mantras .. Blink clones with rock dog a warrior has no chance in hell to hit me with skull crack and guess if he does I have blink or decoy and stability from mantra lol while my clones destroy the kitten out of him
Yeah, we’re all aware of how easy it is to be a mesmer mang.
I barely play it and I’ve never lost a 1v1. Just spam phantasms and run around, blink/invul/stealth/etc if someone touches you. Repeat phant spam.
I am not seeing the heal sig as OP, 400 HP per second only equates to 8000hp in 20 sec.
ONLY 8000hp in 20 sec? ONLY? REALLY?
Show me another heal in this game that does 8k every 20 seconds.
You can’t because there isn’t one. Healing signet has the highest HPS of any heal in the game and you don’t even have to use it. Completely broken and overpowered.
I am not seeing the heal sig as OP, 400 HP per second only equates to 8000hp in 20 sec.
ONLY 8000hp in 20 sec? ONLY? REALLY?
Show me another heal in this game that does 8k every 20 seconds.
You can’t because there isn’t one. Healing signet has the highest HPS of any heal in the game and you don’t even have to use it. Completely broken and overpowered.
I am not seeing the heal sig as OP, 400 HP per second only equates to 8000hp in 20 sec.
ONLY 8000hp in 20 sec? ONLY? REALLY?
Show me another heal in this game that does 8k every 20 seconds.
You can’t because there isn’t one. Healing signet has the highest HPS of any heal in the game and you don’t even have to use it. Completely broken and overpowered.
This is arenanet’s answer to warriors being bad in attrition fights.
The problem around this whole spec is the pressure uptime. Whirling/Rush/Bulls/Bash/Bladetrail is a hugely tremendous amount of engagement pressure on very low cooldowns for the effects they grant. Healing signet needs to not be a signet, but something like troll unguent. Give it even better HPS while up but slap a 1.5 second cast time on it.
Little to no change for play in sPvP/Zerging/PvE, while forcing warriors to give up pressure if they want to have sustain in melee, hopefully tossing in a hard counter in the form of tanky melee interrupters (eles, bunker thieves, other wars).
It’s true, poison alone will often give you reason to regather yourself if you’re using Signet and Adrenal as your main healing source. Combine it with decent burst and you will generally need to get some distance to recover that health.
I am not seeing the heal sig as OP, 400 HP per second only equates to 8000hp in 20 sec.
ONLY 8000hp in 20 sec? ONLY? REALLY?
Show me another heal in this game that does 8k every 20 seconds.
You can’t because there isn’t one. Healing signet has the highest HPS of any heal in the game and you don’t even have to use it. Completely broken and overpowered.
HPS isn’t everything. It’s balanced around it’s low active heal and longish CD. It was meant to give warriors the sustain they had been lacking. My main is a mesmer, so I should know all about OP right? Healing sig is very good, but it’s not OP.
Also, in terms of HPS you should consider the overall HPS that the prof/build has access too. Lots of profs have 2-3 ways of stacking different types of regen/hps and have just as much sustain avail as a war.
In my opinion as player that play main warrior, the patch improve the survivable of warrior, At last we can stay on fight for 10 sac and more, and thiefs will stop to say “puff warrior another Candy to snack” and we can give some challenge now. I love this patch and I have no complian, devs improve the warrior’s survivability!!!
People need to take a look at elementalists and guardians. You’re telling me that the amount of health regen warriors got access to is somehow more broken than what both of these classes already had?
People are just crying a river because they can’t stand the fact that warriors aren’t a joke to fight anymore. IMO we still need work in a bunch of different areas as well.
The stun uptime since the Skull Crack and Burst Mastery buffs is maybe a little too much for such a strong hard CC. If you fail it, you can do it 7 seconds later, you don’t lose the adrenaline, there’s not much risk for such a strong reward.
Even widely percieved weak classes can have possibly unbalanced mechanics, but that’s not something that justifies having them.
I’m not sure if Healling Signet got overbuffed just yet.
You want a no risk class, try thief.
Also, you need to understand this, if you fail skull crack (which is a very short range skill and very very easy to fail because of that) you are screwed for another 10-7 seconds in wich you cant do a kitten, because this build relys completely in doing 100b and that is the weakness, dodge/stun break skullcrack and you win.
“We also realize that we can make mistakes but we dont care because I HAVE THE POWAAA!!”
I don’t see the big problem with this build. It’s useful to have in a party with me but I have trouble thinking of it as some sort of OP monster build, given what other classes are capable of. It’s rather funny that as soon as the warrior class starts running something even the slightest bit viable, people throw a fit about it.
If people think Healing Signet with that amount is bad, wait until they encounter a build like the one I’m running now in WvW, haha.
You’re free loot bags. Maybe you should take the advice of these people.
Moose Man Jones [vT]
- Charr Warrior
- Charr Necromancer
Oh man, so mature. Gonna quote an old post just for the sake of causing problems. What, did you get a flag through your skull one too many times and come back to cry to me about it?
But yeah, “free bags” That must be why I and some pugs ran your pitiful group off on multiple occasions in our home BL the other night, huh? In the event you did kill them, you still couldn’t focus me down, even with your laughable roaming squad. On one occasion you didn’t even have the guts to cap the camp after I went back into it alone.
Try harder, Perphection. vT is far from threatening. I could kill any one of you 1v1 at any time and have flagged more of you than you ever encountered me alone, laughing while I did so – this I have discerned from watching your group try so very hard to succeed and fail time and time again. I did so enjoy watching you bleed out.
There’s really no need now. He’s a joke. I’ve seen his guild first hand after putting on my solo build and about the only thing they’re good at is rallying each other repeatedly when fighting an equal number of pugs.
It’s funny because stun breaks aren’t even that uncommon for most classes anymore. I don’t see how people can’t get out of it. Hell a single stability wrecks the entire stun chain.
The stun uptime since the Skull Crack and Burst Mastery buffs is maybe a little too much for such a strong hard CC. If you fail it, you can do it 7 seconds later, you don’t lose the adrenaline, there’s not much risk for such a strong reward.
Even widely percieved weak classes can have possibly unbalanced mechanics, but that’s not something that justifies having them.
I’m not sure if Healling Signet got overbuffed just yet.
You want a no risk class, try thief.
Also, you need to understand this, if you fail skull crack (which is a very short range skill and very very easy to fail because of that) you are screwed for another 10-7 seconds in wich you cant do a kitten, because this build relys completely in doing 100b and that is the weakness, dodge/stun break skullcrack and you win.
This is true, if we are being pressured hard and fail the Skull Crack, which sometimes fails when you think it shouldn’t, suddenly our regen becomes a lot less worthwhile. What makes Heal Sig good on this build is that during the Stuns/Blocks we don’t have damage being dealt to us and it lets us regen. If you miss that stun not only will your DPS lessen significantly but so will your healing. The sig is also good for shortbow evade spamming thieves because they eventually realize they won’t be able to wear us down. Mesmers still have the edge vs this build and good thieves running consistently high damage can also make the healing worthless, most just waste their good stuff of blocks and then they get greedy and find themselves stunned.
I believe the reason Skull Crack feels so OP to non-warriors is because for nearly a year if a warrior wanted to do well, especially in PvP, they have to play SIGNIFICANTLY better than their opponent. Now that we’ve been brought up to competitive level those long time warriors have gotten really good at timing their skills correctly.
Just an angry old man…
Old Man Burr (War), Bad Hat Ben (Engi), Manly Manny Manson (Guard)
I believe the reason Skull Crack feels so OP to non-warriors is because for nearly a year if a warrior wanted to do well, especially in PvP, they have to play SIGNIFICANTLY better than their opponent. Now that we’ve been brought up to competitive level those long time warriors have gotten really good at timing their skills correctly.
I do have to wonder if this isn’t true in a lot of cases. We’ve been on the low end for so long that now when we get a bit of justice, we’re able to put things to use that much better.
Warriors need to use the combination of Lemongrass, Hoelbrack/Melandru armour and Dogged March in WvWvW.
But people are forgeting that warrior is not the only class that can have all of those things.
Perhaps people need to use diferent armour instead of going full berserker (try melandru for instance), and taking stun breakers to avoid key bursts, and manly dont use stun breakers in a <=1 sec stun.
People who knows how to play in sPvP tPvP dont have issues with that build. The problem is the food in WvWvW, so its just needed to change the foods efects and its perfect balanced.
I don’t get why people complain about this build when I have runned a sword/shield hammer build and have totally wrecked classes with that cc. Also before the mace it use to be the hammer burst then switch to gs concept has been around forever why cry now
because now it’s overpowered, whereas before it wasn’t.
I already showed why your opinion isn’t valid on the end of page two. Please leave our forums and stop trying to start arguments here.
Hunter = A guardian who thinks warriors need nerfed when Guardians are the best class in the game.
Altruistic Healing heals for 300-500 hps, I think it needs nerfed. ITS A TRAIT.
I think Warriors need a trait that gives them protection for 5 seconds when they critical (5 second CD.)
Ok for One Guardians aren’t the best class in the game, more so most balanced. Secondly AH sucks solo, and would need the application of 5 boons just to be on par with Healing Signet per sec when you’re alone(better when you have up to five people around) Not to mention It’s a Grandmaster trait and we have to again trait for it if we want it. Also you do realize giving Warrior protection would just truly make them OP because they could have everything, since they would already have High HP, decent damage, good utilities, and and great sustain(Account actually building for it)
I am not seeing the heal sig as OP, 400 HP per second only equates to 8000hp in 20 sec.
ONLY 8000hp in 20 sec? ONLY? REALLY?
Show me another heal in this game that does 8k every 20 seconds.
You can’t because there isn’t one. Healing signet has the highest HPS of any heal in the game and you don’t even have to use it. Completely broken and overpowered.
Poison and/or burst damage
Uh no. Poison reduces healing signet to the hps of the average heal in the game. Except it’s still 100% passive and ticking nonstop every second. Not to mention reduce condition duration & condition removal hard counters it.
Burst damage? Oh wow, ok, why didn’t I think about that. I’ll just 100-0 the warrior with my guaranteed unblockable undodgeable unstunnable burst damage. Thanks for the great advice.
Healing signet got massively overbuffed, and needs a nerf badly.
I am not seeing the heal sig as OP, 400 HP per second only equates to 8000hp in 20 sec.
ONLY 8000hp in 20 sec? ONLY? REALLY?
Show me another heal in this game that does 8k every 20 seconds.
You can’t because there isn’t one. Healing signet has the highest HPS of any heal in the game and you don’t even have to use it. Completely broken and overpowered.
Poison and/or burst damage
Uh no. Poison reduces healing signet to the hps of the average heal in the game. Except it’s still 100% passive and ticking nonstop every second. Not to mention reduce condition duration & condition removal hard counters it.
Burst damage? Oh wow, ok, why didn’t I think about that. I’ll just 100-0 the warrior with my guaranteed unblockable undodgeable unstunnable burst damage. Thanks for the great advice.
Healing signet got massively overbuffed, and needs a nerf badly.
I don’t think it needs a huge nerf, they do need the survivability since lack of protection, though. The most I’d like to see done to it is adjusting the ratio a bit reducing the base and buffing up the actual ratio more. It makes me a a bit sad sometimes to see my hps with Regen, and traited virtue outdone by HS, not factoring in combination with Adrenal Health,(Also can add Regen to them as well if you do banners or consider ally Regen.)
I agree with you. It shouldn’t be a huge nerf, all I’m saying is that you shouldn’t get the best HPS in the game from a signet passive.
It’s crazy to me that there are people that think it’s ok that a SIGNET PASSIVE has the highest HPS in the game. Permanent, unremovable, uninterruptable completely nonsensical.
I am not seeing the heal sig as OP, 400 HP per second only equates to 8000hp in 20 sec.
ONLY 8000hp in 20 sec? ONLY? REALLY?
Show me another heal in this game that does 8k every 20 seconds.
You can’t because there isn’t one. Healing signet has the highest HPS of any heal in the game and you don’t even have to use it. Completely broken and overpowered.
Poison and/or burst damage
Uh no. Poison reduces healing signet to the hps of the average heal in the game. Except it’s still 100% passive and ticking nonstop every second. Not to mention reduce condition duration & condition removal hard counters it.
Burst damage? Oh wow, ok, why didn’t I think about that. I’ll just 100-0 the warrior with my guaranteed unblockable undodgeable unstunnable burst damage. Thanks for the great advice.
Healing signet got massively overbuffed, and needs a nerf badly.
It was buffed because it was bad, it is now alright. It still isn’t that great. You can nerf it when we have access to protection. It has a higher base value for reasons such as that.
I don’t get why people complain about this build when I have runned a sword/shield hammer build and have totally wrecked classes with that cc. Also before the mace it use to be the hammer burst then switch to gs concept has been around forever why cry now
because now it’s overpowered, whereas before it wasn’t.
I already showed why your opinion isn’t valid on the end of page two. Please leave our forums and stop trying to start arguments here.
Why is it not valid? I killed pretty much all warriors prior to this patch, and after patch I lost to quite a few warriors, don’t you think this is strange and suggest that they were overbuffed?
I don’t get why people complain about this build when I have runned a sword/shield hammer build and have totally wrecked classes with that cc. Also before the mace it use to be the hammer burst then switch to gs concept has been around forever why cry now
because now it’s overpowered, whereas before it wasn’t.
I already showed why your opinion isn’t valid on the end of page two. Please leave our forums and stop trying to start arguments here.
Why is it not valid? I killed pretty much all warriors prior to this patch, and after patch I lost to quite a few warriors, don’t you think this is strange and suggest that they were overbuffed?
Not really. It could just mean that you haven´t adapted to the new build.
I don’t get why people complain about this build when I have runned a sword/shield hammer build and have totally wrecked classes with that cc. Also before the mace it use to be the hammer burst then switch to gs concept has been around forever why cry now
because now it’s overpowered, whereas before it wasn’t.
I already showed why your opinion isn’t valid on the end of page two. Please leave our forums and stop trying to start arguments here.
Why is it not valid? I killed pretty much all warriors prior to this patch, and after patch I lost to quite a few warriors, don’t you think this is strange and suggest that they were overbuffed?
Not at all. It suggests more to me that your class was carrying you against them. Thief still has a major advantage vs warriors and you should have little problem against them. There is also this post from you, which is only two days old:
Not only do they make excellent commanders, they are also one of the most common roamers I see these days. In fact, I see warriors just as often or even more often than thieves now. I’m on TC facing SoR and BG and apparently I guess SoR and BG have a ton of warrior roamers.
Warriors are really annoying for me to deal with as I’m using S/D and I guess I have some trouble dealing with them since I’m not really used to facing warrior but I think my main problem is trying to hit them while they have endure pain up. So apparently, that is a stance.
So does a stance count as a boon or what? Can you strip it with larcenous strike? Is there a visual indicator for a stance? Sorry haven’t played a warrior, and I really lack experience dealing with warriors solo…
Does anyone have tips for dealing with warriors in general or specific tips for when using S/D + shortbow?
Note: most of them also run 2 stuns which can be used in quick succession whereas I only have 1 stunbreaker and they typically use melandru runes + lemongrass + dogged march.
I don’t get why people complain about this build when I have runned a sword/shield hammer build and have totally wrecked classes with that cc. Also before the mace it use to be the hammer burst then switch to gs concept has been around forever why cry now
because now it’s overpowered, whereas before it wasn’t.
I already showed why your opinion isn’t valid on the end of page two. Please leave our forums and stop trying to start arguments here.
Why is it not valid? I killed pretty much all warriors prior to this patch, and after patch I lost to quite a few warriors, don’t you think this is strange and suggest that they were overbuffed?
So you killed the large majority of warriors before the patch.
Now you lose to “quite a few” but not all or even most.
I’m having a hard time seeing how this is bad balance.
Nope. Did Sil realize there is no argument to justify the overpowered signet and decide to turn to insults instead? Looks like it.
No need to argue against you, because you haven’t provided anything yourself. You’re just throwing a tantrum over how “OP” you think the signet is without any substantial backing.
Best HPS in game in the form of an unremovable, uninterruptable, permanent signet passive.
‘alright, isn’t that great’
Yeah, ok.
That’s right. It’s called balance. For instance, many classes have access to good regen and high protection up-time. Why should a warrior have no access to protection and inferior regen? You have to take everything into account when you balance, not just whether x skill is equal to y skill.
Nope. Did Sil realize there is no argument to justify the overpowered signet and decide to turn to insults instead? Looks like it.
No need to argue against you, because you haven’t provided anything yourself. You’re just throwing a tantrum over how “OP” you think the signet is without any substantial backing.
I have already provided several arguments. Your failure to discern them, yet alone provide any response other than “I’ll just insult the person since I am incapable of basic reading comprehension” proves responding to you any further is a complete waste of time.
I don’t get why people complain about this build when I have runned a sword/shield hammer build and have totally wrecked classes with that cc. Also before the mace it use to be the hammer burst then switch to gs concept has been around forever why cry now
because now it’s overpowered, whereas before it wasn’t.
I already showed why your opinion isn’t valid on the end of page two. Please leave our forums and stop trying to start arguments here.
Why is it not valid? I killed pretty much all warriors prior to this patch, and after patch I lost to quite a few warriors, don’t you think this is strange and suggest that they were overbuffed?
So you killed the large majority of warriors before the patch.
Now you lose to “quite a few” but not all or even most.
I’m having a hard time seeing how this is bad balance.
Because a thief should be overwhelmingly better than warrior 1v1, not struggle at all. Warrior is already one of the best at PvE, ZvZ, GvG (where the thief sucks), it stands to reason the thief should crush the warrior no questions asked.
Last couple of patches overtuned warrior mobility, sustainability, and CC, so now they are too good at everything and needs to be brought down a couple of nothces.
I don’t get why people complain about this build when I have runned a sword/shield hammer build and have totally wrecked classes with that cc. Also before the mace it use to be the hammer burst then switch to gs concept has been around forever why cry now
because now it’s overpowered, whereas before it wasn’t.
I already showed why your opinion isn’t valid on the end of page two. Please leave our forums and stop trying to start arguments here.
Why is it not valid? I killed pretty much all warriors prior to this patch, and after patch I lost to quite a few warriors, don’t you think this is strange and suggest that they were overbuffed?
So you killed the large majority of warriors before the patch.
Now you lose to “quite a few” but not all or even most.
I’m having a hard time seeing how this is bad balance.
Because a thief should be overwhelmingly better than warrior 1v1, not struggle at all. Warrior is already one of the best at PvE, ZvZ, GvG, it stands to reason the thief should crush the warrior no questions asked.
Last couple of patches overtuned warrior mobility, sustainability, and CC, so now they are too good at everything and needs to be brought down a couple of nothces.
“Because a thief should be overwhelmingly better than warrior 1v1, not struggle at all.”
Please. Warriors being imbalanced in other areas of the game is not an excuse to make them imbalanced the other way in this part.
The goal of balance is to achieve a flat skill to reward relationship at all times barring strategic counters. Not to balance things as some sort of average over long time periods.
Because a thief should be overwhelmingly better than warrior 1v1, not struggle at all. Warrior is already one of the best at PvE, ZvZ, GvG (where the thief sucks), it stands to reason the thief should crush the warrior no questions asked.
You can’t be serious. See, this is why I said your opinion isn’t valid. That post you made a few days ago that I posted above, and now a comment like this. Thief doesn’t mean free pass to walk all over warrior. You still have major advantages vs warrior if you actually trait properly, in all honesty warrior should still be slightly buffed vs thief.
Best HPS in game in the form of an unremovable, uninterruptable, permanent signet passive.
‘alright, isn’t that great’
Yeah, ok.
That’s right. It’s called balance. For instance, many classes have access to good regen and high protection up-time. Why should a warrior have no access to protection and inferior regen? You have to take everything into account when you balance, not just whether x skill is equal to y skill.
Yeah about that balance. Regen is removable. Protection is removable. Lots of classes have access to boon stripping.
Please, list the “many classes” who have “high protection uptime”. Then we can talk about this point further, but I guarantee the 1-2 classes you’re actually talking about have to make sacrifices for that high uptime. Low dps weapon sets, trait investment, boon duration increases, etc.
There is no counter to signet passives. Can’t be removed, never expires. Furthermore, warriors need to make literally zero sacrifices or trait investments or tradeoffs. Throw signet on bar, gain highest HPS from a healing skill in the game.
It’s called balance. Healing signet currently isn’t. Utterly broken.
Because a thief should be overwhelmingly better than warrior 1v1, not struggle at all. Warrior is already one of the best at PvE, ZvZ, GvG (where the thief sucks), it stands to reason the thief should crush the warrior no questions asked.
You can’t be serious. See, this is why I said your opinion isn’t valid. That post you made a few days ago that I posted above, and now a comment like this. Thief doesn’t mean free pass to walk all over warrior. You still have major advantages vs warrior if you actually trait properly, in all honesty warrior should still be slightly buffed vs thief.
A roaming class should absolutely have the advantage over warrior… warrior is already good in PvE, ZvZ, GvG, it’s not fair that it’s good at everything at once.
Best HPS in game in the form of an unremovable, uninterruptable, permanent signet passive.
‘alright, isn’t that great’
Yeah, ok.
That’s right. It’s called balance. For instance, many classes have access to good regen and high protection up-time. Why should a warrior have no access to protection and inferior regen? You have to take everything into account when you balance, not just whether x skill is equal to y skill.
Why? Because you get tremendous kitten damage, base stats, control, and stability to make up for it. When those other classes whip out protection and regen, they don’t also get to slot 16 second hard interrupts or guarantee a death if the opponent stops moving for 3.3 seconds. The lack of protection is a balancing decision that’s already been paid for. You’ve essentially bought all the good things the warrior has going for it with the bad things. You don’t get to buy more.
Why should the warrior have HPS balanced for lack of protection? Not having protection is supposed to be bad for you. Its not a cost if you just patch it up with something ridiculous in some other dimension.
Best HPS in game in the form of an unremovable, uninterruptable, permanent signet passive.
‘alright, isn’t that great’
Yeah, ok.
That’s right. It’s called balance. For instance, many classes have access to good regen and high protection up-time. Why should a warrior have no access to protection and inferior regen? You have to take everything into account when you balance, not just whether x skill is equal to y skill.
Yeah about that balance. Regen is removable. Protection is removable. Lots of classes have access to boon stripping.
Please, list the “many classes” who have “high protection uptime”. Then we can talk about this point further, but I guarantee the 1-2 classes you’re actually talking about have to make sacrifices for that high uptime. Low dps weapon sets, trait investment, boon duration increases, etc.
There is no counter to signet passives. Can’t be removed, never expires. Furthermore, warriors need to make literally zero sacrifices or trait investments or tradeoffs. Throw signet on bar, gain highest HPS from a healing skill in the game.
It’s called balance. Healing signet currently isn’t. Utterly broken.
Having Healing Signet actually really blows when you get poisoned.
Alduin Nightsong, 80 Human Necro
“He’s like a man with a fork in a world of soup.”
Best HPS in game in the form of an unremovable, uninterruptable, permanent signet passive.
‘alright, isn’t that great’
Yeah, ok.
That’s right. It’s called balance. For instance, many classes have access to good regen and high protection up-time. Why should a warrior have no access to protection and inferior regen? You have to take everything into account when you balance, not just whether x skill is equal to y skill.
Yeah about that balance. Regen is removable. Protection is removable. Lots of classes have access to boon stripping.
Please, list the “many classes” who have “high protection uptime”. Then we can talk about this point further, but I guarantee the 1-2 classes you’re actually talking about have to make sacrifices for that high uptime. Low dps weapon sets, trait investment, boon duration increases, etc.
There is no counter to signet passives. Can’t be removed, never expires. Furthermore, warriors need to make literally zero sacrifices or trait investments or tradeoffs. Throw signet on bar, gain highest HPS from a healing skill in the game.
It’s called balance. Healing signet currently isn’t. Utterly broken.
Having Healing Signet actually really blows when you get poisoned.
Or bursted.
Moa is THE WORST. Come out of it super low and no way to heal back up but to LOS and block long enough for some regen to work.
