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Can some1 look at this PIC and explain me wat is wvw

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You can complain about the injustice or become part of the solution.

The community is trying to make competitive servers with 24/7 coverage.

NA guilds like Ruin (2000 NA players on Desolation (EU) ), and European guilds going to NA servers there is a movement to get a handful of really competitive servers on both Na and EU servers.

If you want to be part of the solution then look for NA servers that need EU guilds – or if you are on a NA server look to moving to the EU servers. In all likeness there are only enough W3 guilds for a handful of competitive servers – so check out

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/63701-world-pvpers-are-you-sick-of-long-ques-and-want-to-transfer-to-a-top-tier-bracket/

and try to be part of the solution……..

Is this what WvW is coming down to?

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There is a move to get 5-6 competitive servers in the game on-going. But at the moment even if the community does manage it, it will be ruined within days due to ArenaNets free tfrs – they need to offer 1 last free move. Then we can sort all this mess out….

EU and Oceanic players Eredon Terrace wants you!

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So you think your server fights to win every game ?

I would like you categorically say in this thread that you fight to win every match – no if’s / but’s maybe or weasly words but a 100% – ET fights to win every match.

When you have said this we can then put your honesty to the test. Your 100% “ET fights to win every match”. You cannot change your name on these forums, or hide if you are proved to be false in one thread – it will follow you around – so here is your chance to prove your honesty and integrity

I’ll even advertise for you to see, maybe a competition to see who can come up with the most evidence of your server not fighting for every game once you post..

Then and only then will anyone believe

As for calling me a kid and telling me to grow up – is the below not you

TA you guys did a great job exploiting to #1. Well at least Hod can get some legit work done now we will see you guys 5:30 pm to 1am est. lol

Kids stroke your kitten elswhere the adults are speaking. If you have somthing productive to add then do so otherwise post on one of the forums that you have already made for kitten stroking.

Don’t Feed The Trolls

Accusations of exploits and trying to belittle others as kids – hardly original or mature ?!

Anyway – your 100% Eredon Terrace go in with the intention to fight and win every game, please.

EU and Oceanic players Eredon Terrace wants you!

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Well there are a lot of great servers out there, ET is not one of them though, a server that does not play to win, cries exploits all the time and is home to Ruin.

Better of going to SBI, JQ or HoD if you want tier 1 action – at least they fight tooth and nail.

Anyone terrified about switching to 2 week rotations?

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If they have any sense they simply will not do it – it will simply kill their game.

I am starting to think that even the 7 day format is to long, maybe 3-4 days is the sweet spot…. but whatever happens, please no 2 week matches until AN do something and fix the W3 imbalances.

Servers should have been Global from the start. Is it too late now?

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If you select language at game start – wonder is translate system would work, everything on your chat box showing as a auto translate into your chosen language – lets be honest most W3 is along the lines of

WwwwwwwwwQqqq111222 help

which is kinda universal language :-)

Servers should have been Global from the start. Is it too late now?

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Not sure Nidwin – a lot of player bases would find common homes French/Quebec – Spanish/Italian/Portuguese /South American etc….

Due to time zones the overlap would be those playing morning/afternoon NA meeting EU players playing at night – I think it would have worked out ok…. at a lot of US players mingle with the global gaming community ok – I am sure the rest will manage.

Servers should have been Global from the start. Is it too late now?

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global servers wouldnt have fixed anything, thb. quite the contrary, it would be even worse

most people would naturally gravitate to servers closer to them (europeans to EU servers, americans to US servers) due to ping issues.

Not if all the servers were located in the same place e.g. say East Coast US and designated Global for all the players. As a EU player on NA servers I can tell you the game is fine.

and the same people would still stack certain servers as they do now to win with the least amount of effort possible.

If full servers are locked they simply cannot – you have your server – fight for it or PvE, no riding others coat tails.

so you would have pretty much the same problems you have now, plus some stupid matchups like low-population US server vs low population EU server, where both sides pretty much play alone during their peaks, and people rarely gets to see an enemy.

There would be more full servers, and more with 24/7 presence. Locking full servers when they pop caps would mean new NA/EU players/guilds would goto the lower population servers – it will right itself over time.

servers should have been region locked, a hard cap on populations should have been imposed, and free transfers should have been shut down 2 weeks ago.

period

that would have fixed “most” of the problems

No it would not, you would still have winning servers, you would have the jobless / welfare server allegations, you would still have low population servers that cannot compete as people tfr and bandwagon.

and yes, its too late now. ANet now has a game that is but a shade of what it could have been, because first they didnt plan ahead, and second they refused to act on a timely manner.

GW2 has gone from savior of the genre, to just another filler till the next big thing comes.

Sadly, this in part I agree – If they do not do something the game will lose a lot of it’s player base within a month or two.

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Zerging will continue until ...

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Zerging will continue until….. AoE player caps are removed :-)

Servers should have been Global from the start. Is it too late now?

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Not to late – it just needs something like

[i]Arena Net Announcement – We have been delighted with the games launch and the popularity of our W3 system, however it has come to light that our server structure is not as optimised as it could be to give our players the best experience possible.

With this in mind all Players Homeworlds will be reset on the 7th October (Players and guilds will maintain all progression to date).

Servers will all become international enabling players from all over the world to play together, and engage in a permanent ongoing W3 environment. When servers reach full capacity they will be locked so as to not ruin players game play.

It is our hope that with numerous servers with a 24/7 playerbase that the game will be able to realise it’s full potential.[/i]

By doing that and reducing the number of servers by 5 or 6 (remove the highest pop ones so if people just go tot he default “lets join the same server again” then at least the highest part of the population will be spread out.

7 days should be enough time for alliances / Guilds to come up with a plan – and everyone else will be happy to have full servers….. with the game on sale still, and full servers locked all servers should have healthy populations.

Sadly, it’s how it should have been at launch.

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Just wait till servers balance!

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With any player/guild to hop around every 24hours then there will be no balance – players need to be tied to a server with just one free tfr in case they make a mistake. If there are problems later then they can re-open selected tfrs -

Then people may develop some server pride, and by locking full servers other servers will start to fill up….

Stop free tfrs / lock full servers – AN should have been doing this from day one, but instead have created this problem we currently have.

HoD+SBI+ET here comes the power house.

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HoD is such a HUGE server with large alliances and “Bandwagoners” yeah there are a lot there you cant deny it, that they have the fortunate advantage over anyone they go up against.

That’s true. What are you going to do about it? If Ascension Alliance was smart they would recruit some off hour guilds to ET.

As mentioned HoDs Total Alliance members combined is still smaller than Ruins guild. Where they got it right was recruiting guilds that could slot into a 24/7 game coverage.

If AA had been smart, instead of transferring to ET – they should have moved to one of the Oceanic servers – I am not sure their thinking behind not doing this, but looking at the W3 queue charts – that’s where a NA alliance is going to find the best home.

Mesmer portal bombing

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If you dont understand why I made this thread than dont post, especially if its only random assumptions and flames.

flame flame flame not understanding the problem etc. etc. etc.

I think we all understand the problem -

If your thread had been about rendering players, groups and clipping then people could understand. Your issue however is a really small part of that i.e. when if occurs due to Mesmers – so it comes across as a complaint about Portal and not about the games rendering issues.

With so many people calling for portal to be nerfed, then you can see why your thread is… well shall we say at best poorly titled (if your concern really is rendering as you later say).

Now we're talking, HoD.. :)

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Especially now that Anet is banning a lot of the Henge players for the hacks and bugs they used to take keep lords.

Strong words, so I seriously hope that you can back this up !?

Hey~~ Sexy European players!

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@Fred (..eh what happened to the quote buttons? o_O)

I did hear the Canadians playing on EU servers get lag. So this is kind of confirmed until an actual EU player on the NA servers let us know if theres lag or not.

Anyone?

Our guild play on NA servers from the EU and we have no problems – you can tfr and check it out yourself, they are still free and you can be back on your home server within 24 hours and let them know how it went.

Region locking is needed to keep WvW enjoyable.

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So my guild should unethically move to an US server to take advantage of this poor design by anet?

The developers at ArenaNet have said that W3 is supposed to be a continual never ending 24/7 warzone – if you do not want to be part of that then the exit is —-——->

Calling players, whole guilds and servers, exploiters, unethical etc is not going to win you any friends. If you want to play competitively then you will need to find allies and make sure you have 24 hour coverage on your server. If you are just playing for fun, then it should not even be an issue for you.

ArenaNet published charts of playtimes/queues – look at it, find a server with good coverage that needs a few more players at the time you play and your problem is solved – yes, I know it takes more effort than complaining – but one will reward you and make the game more rewarding – the other is just an exercise in futility.

Queue size data from 9-14 to 9-18 (NA)

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Well, this shows that a lot of server have more than 1 peak time (hopefully will help stop all those wanting W3 changed outside of US “primetime”).

Amazed how nearly everyone has queues, and hopefully it will enable servers to see their week spots and recruit – also for those with queues to identify servers where there are no queues at their play time, but with good coverage at other times.

World vs World Player limits are needed

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Players or servers should never be rewarded for not participating – it’s really that simple. We have servers with 40,000 people on, even if only 10% of them are logged on at any time you should be able to get 400-500 of those to participate.

A server willing to W3 should not be penalised because another servers players would rather PvE, idle in Lions Arch, Craft etc to the extent that they cannot get 400 people to W3 – if that is your server… well lets be honest it shouldn’t be a problem for you as it’s obviously a server not interested in W3 – if you find yourself on such a server then move to one that is.

If your suggesting this as a solution to rolling time zones – then it’s still a lousy solution.

If you do not have enough people in W3 then you will be matched with servers with similar problems. In time the servers will balance out – we are still only a month into the game.

Little pvp video from a well geared Mesmer!

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916 toughness – I am sure it’s fun killing people quickly, but with such low toughness you probably die a lot more than you need to.

The unmitigated foolishness of asking for WvW to be balanced on what time of day you play.

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Freespirit – Nilco

Instead of hi-jacking the whole thread, how about you guys PM each other these long derailment posts ?

WvW QUES 40.000 account per server is NOT accetpable

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will get sick of waiting in queue for 2 hours and transfer off.

Wish it was only 2 hours – can be up to 6 hours in off peak times on HoD (the annoying thing is sometimes it can be near instant – so the queue system needs fixing as well).

WvW QUES 40.000 account per server is NOT accetpable

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The solution is right in front of you. There are servers without queues. Move to those one if you don’t like sitting in queue. Until every server has a queue full-tim, or close to, don’t expect Anet to change that.

We don’t expect them to change it anytime soon – which is why the low pop servers will continue to lose players and the high pop ones continue to gain them. Why anyone would think any different after almost a month of seeing the reality is amusing.

Not until AN disable tfrs to servers with queues of an hour, will you see Alliances and guilds willing to move at the moment – else they have no guarantee they will not be in the exact same position a few weeks down the line.

WvW QUES 40.000 account per server is NOT accetpable

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The solution is simple.

There is no reason that a W3 world has to correspond with a PvE server -

So simply create some more W3 servers that people can join.

Let people from high population W3 servers tfr to them. That way, they can maintain the number servers as they have (51) – and just add new W3 servers when all the current ones have queues.

So you could end up with all 51 servers – but say 60 W3 homeworlds for example – or 51 servers and 40 W3 Homeworlds (if some are suffering due to low pops). Make it so you can tfr PvE servers – but not W3 servers so that there is no hopping to winning servers – you need to fight it out on your W3 server to compete.

The unmitigated foolishness of asking for WvW to be balanced on what time of day you play.

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I play on low pop at night, not medium. I play on EU server. Btw, you tell me to do something about it. Exactly what do you want me to do to make people stay online during off hours?
You act like it is my fault that people are not online during those hours, and my responsibility to fix. You act like it is the players responsibility to fix the high pop vs low pop issue at some hours. ANet could provide mechanics which would fix it (dynamic pop limit), making it medium pop vs medium pop, without moving any players around between servers. As I wrote elsewhere, people don’t only leave WWW because they need sleep, but also because of having little to no chance of getting any points (catch-22). At this point the only outcome of the WWW is a bleeding wallet and close to zero rewards. Don’t blame the player for an unfair matchup system please.

The total server population has no bearing on the W3 population. A low population server where 100% of the players solely do W3 would mean queues for them -

As for your issue on your EU server – what do you expect to change ? Either you are willing to form alliances or move server – or you will just have to wait, do nothing and hope that AN does something to help you… one is you taking your destiny in your own hands, the other is just denial of your current situation.

If you want someone to cover your wins during your off peak hours you could simply play on a US server – Blackgate have been trying to recruit EU guilds (they saw what they are missing and try to do something about it) – so you could tfr there – in fact any EU guild could.

Those US guilds moaning on NA servers, you could move to EU servers.

Then we would see more 24/7 coverage, as well as more competitive servers – the problem is most people are not willing – it’s much easier to moan on the forums than to actually do anything constructive.

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This is the most important issue right now – cannot believe it’s been pushed to page 2 by a near full page of whining, and complaining – these forums are worse than Guru – I never thought that they would allow them to descend into this mess.

Wvwvw = Pay to Win

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Seriously, I was very disappointed at the game yesterday when jade quarry got into our garrison with 8 golems. That just show me the game is centered around what…. MONEY.

@ANet: Siege Golems limitation is required as well as a limitation to the numbers of siege equipment you can have in a certain radius.

Until then I’m off playing spvp.

Ciao

It just shows how little you know about the game (and thing) you are complaining about…

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So this was what happened when I fired up GW2 earlier today:

Logged in, queued up for WvW, waited over an hour and a half, logged off.

Waited a few years for this game – really excited throughout the BWEs and bought the game the second it was on sale.

This week – always being in queues (once even getting a network error putting me back to char select, forcing me to queue for another 2+ hrs) has started taking it’s toll .

I bought the game for W3 – atm I am finding myself simply not loggin in, what is the point just to sit in a queue that could be minutes or hours. Less than a month since release I have stopped trying on some days – Not a situation I thought I would find myself in.

Edit: Btw I am amazed that there is nothing coming from AN on this – are they aware of the damage that low pop servers / servers with queues / lopsided w3 matches are having on the player base….

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So Yak's Bend, what else do you exploit?

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AN have said numerous times – do not post accusations of hacks/exploits on the forums – send a ticket to them with screenshots.

If people actually did this, then these forums would be a least a little more bearable.

Constantly being hit by Lightning Strike!

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7 day fights were fun..Now change it to 4 days please

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I would have been totally against this until a few days ago – I think a 3-4 day format would almost have the intensity of the 24 hours, with a lot of the strategy of the longer matches. Is there one current week long match where the outcome has not already been more or less decided ? It seems almost pointless (and to some cruel http://i.imgur.com/uOesd.jpg ) to continue with this for the rest of the week.

New catch name for World vs World Vs World

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W3 – is used by most in TA and HoD. Also the shortest and quickest to type (keys right next to each other :-) )

Simple solution to the wvw imbalance...

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Rewarding a server for not turning up is not a solution – losing heavily – there should be no case where you are better of not partaking in W3 than actually fighting

“guys were losing – all log out of W3 and come back later – we will screw their server that way”

Sanctum of Rall Guild [SIN] Exploiting/Cheating

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It has been said numerous times – if you think people are exploiting to send a ticket in with your proof – NOT make threads and accusations on the forums…. seriously how hard is it ?

Time Zones in WvW

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“Hi guys, I know there are already 2-3 threads on this subject – but hey I’m so important I thought i’d start another one.”

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Nefar, how do you suggest anet balance pops in wvw between servers without getting people to move?

You have a viable option, its move. Its the only viable option.

They could simply lock servers with queues 30-60 minutes. Then new players and guild joining the game will be funneled to low population servers who need them.

Servers with big queues will then get better over time due to player attrition, and some guilds would tfr to lower population servers (once they know that they will not be faced with hour long queues again in a few weeks). All it takes is for AN to start locking servers – sadly free tfrs are still available to all servers that I am aware off.

Kaineng... going down... Dev's... send... reinf *end transmission*

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A lot of guilds are looking at the situation but are waiting – as soon as AN announce that they will lock servers with queues with 30-60 minutes then you will see tfrs, no one is willing to do it yet if they risk being stuck in queues yet again in a week or two.

Please stop putting JQ against HoD.

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How are you outnumbered > seems very strange to me – anyway in time the populations will sort themselves out – this is still the first month of the game… be patient.

Solutions to night capping

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Can I ask what guild you are in Chilli – just that a couple of people have suggested that you are in a international Alliance guild on the EU servers – one setup pre-launch to cover all timezones with it’s own community pages/Server wide TS etc -

Is that true ?

I find natural guys from chili want to play on a spanish server and were looking for alliance with spanish guilds or others latino guilds on a spanish speaking server
Why would you have to speak in english during your freetime or play with american who have lot more cultural difference
Gaming is about fun but also breathingout.. Im not a spanish speaking native but it ll bother me to go on an english speaking server. Im not at work and im not paid to use more of my brain trnaslating everything in my mind for hours

I have no idea what your talking about – I m asking a player what guild he is in, have you quoted the right person ?

Solutions to night capping

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There is no solution to this because there is no problem. If you log in and the entire map is capped, then guess what – you get to play the hell out of some W3! You’ve got nothing but fun in front of you taking those things back. As MF said, W3 is a 24hr game and that is the nature and point of W3.

You are obviously one of the servers that is taking advantage of this relatively serious scoring issue, your response is completely discredited. The mechanics make you win, not your skill. You do not see an issue because you are blinded by your obsolete awesomeness. Get over yourself. It doesnt work. Do you actually enjoy fighting againt no opposition in your AM capping servers?

If arenanet do not think scoring is an issue, please take away the rankings. They only show how active a server is during the AM capping hours, nothing else. If you were conducting research there is a cause and effect, the cause here is AM Activity, and the effect is RANK due to inevitable points gained against what may be deemed NO OPPOSITION. GG Anet, you are showing us exactly what you have learnt from past 24-7 failures, nothing.

Can I ask what guild you are in Chilli – just that a couple of people have suggested that you are in a international Alliance guild on the EU servers – one setup pre-launch to cover all timezones with it’s own community pages/Server wide TS etc -

Is that true ?

Henge of Denravi Alliance with Stormbluff Unacceptable

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Can we see your fraps / bandicam / screenshots – because this sounds pretty unlikely to the degree your talking about.

As for the Vent and TS – care to tell us who’s they are using ? Should be simple enough if your friend is using it.

Overhaul to WvW point calculation.

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Almost a million people joined the game in the last 3 weeks and more guilds are joining daily.

They could lock servers with queues, funneling the new players/guilds (which will include all timezones) onto the low pop servers and within a short period all servers will have healthy 24/7 populations…..

A much easier solution – and one that will help make all the servers be a fun place to partake in W3 and give them foundations to get organised and if they wish compete to be the best.

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They don’t need more maps, they just need to lock servers with 30+ minute queues – it really is that simple. Then new players and guilds coming to the game have to populate low pop servers, transfers will have to go-to low pop servers and guilds will be more confident in tfr’ing if they know that there is no risk of large queues again.

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Double post -

Queues for WvW: The Official Thread

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I thought the servers were locked? My bro tried to get into my world (Crystal Desert) twice in the past week and was unable due to it being full.

Just tell him to try again – they keep coming up and down – HoD was available last night, not sure if it is today (though a small guild said earlier they are transfering to us today – so I assume it is).

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I don’t think anything needs to be done to reduce queues. Everybody wants to flock to the winning team, but there are hard caps on the number people that can play at once. If you don’t want to wait hours and hours, change Worlds, simple as that.

Guilds will get tired of the queues, transfer, then boost the WvWvW rank of lower pop servers. This will help increase parity among Worlds, and that can only be a good thing in the long run.

There are reasons, already mentioned in this thread.

Guilds that tfr lose all the upgrades (bank etc) and influence and are not guaranteed that in a few weeks they will not be in the exact same position with queues.

So why would they tfr ?

If servers with queues of over 30minutes get locked, guilds and alliances will move to low pop servers. They are not going to lose everything in a gamble that might leave them with the same problem they left to rectify.

Locks would also mean new players / new guilds also go to low pop servers – helping the game out in the long run.

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They should have made all servers international so they all had a mix across timezones – They could have gotten away with fewer servers and those servers would nearly all have 24/7 WvW.

the reason they did NA/EU servers was because of ping. EU accounts can still play on NA and vise-versa

I play on US servers from the UK – there is no difference for me than when playing on the EU servers.

You can do a free transfer to a US / EU server and give it a go try it yourself ( then tfr back – takes less than a minute to tfr) – try it yourself. I have no idea how AN pulled it off, but unlike LoL for example – there is basically zero difference.

Is anyone else concerned?

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They should have made all servers international so they all had a mix across timezones – They could have gotten away with fewer servers and those servers would nearly all have 24/7 WvW.

Can you queue for multiple WvW zones at once?

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Due to the amount of people we see queued for maps while spaces are open in other maps, we have started talking about possible ways we can change the current setup to help get people into the other maps if they have space available, but that stuff is all still in the discussion phase so it’s not likely we’ll be able to change things anytime soon.

Why would I want to queue for all the maps? This is Guild Wars and I want to play with my guild on the same map at the same time. I don’t want to be in a boarder land while the rest of my guild are in EB.

Why would it effect you ? If there is one more option queue for all it will help a lot of people get into W3 quicker – if you want to join your mates, just queue for that specific map.

8,000 + Hits?

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Toughness – it really is that simple, unless you are over 1500+ in toughness your going to get hit hard. You can tell within seconds if players are not level 80 (or have glass cannon builds) as their HP plummets fast as you get huge crits on them.

Queues for WvW: The Official Thread

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Posted by: Aedgyth.4790

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It’s a shame to read Guru today.

After hearing Mike/AN is looking to re-align servers by leaving it to the community itself to sort out server imbalances, there are 5 guilds publicly announcing they are moving – but not to low pop servers – they are moving to the top servers, ones that already have large queues.

These are just the ones announcing it on forums, how many are just doing it without telling anyone.

We are a few weeks in and at this rate the game is going to take a serious hit – people will stop playing if they have empty W3 and cannot be competitive/have fun – at the other end people will leave as they will not endure 3-6 hour queues.

ArenaNet has to sort this out – it will not be done by the community until they are confident AN has put in place things that will protect them if/when they make any choices to move.

Lock servers with queues of more than 30minutes.

All new players / guilds / tfrs coming to the game can then only go-to low pop servers, this will help them get people into W3 and start to make it more fun.

Guilds will start to tfr knowing they will not just find themselves with 3-6 hour queues again few weeks down the line if they choose to tfr.

The servers that maintain high queues will lose players to attrition and tfrs and in time their queues will come down to manageable levels.

But it needs AN to stop tfrs/lock servers – if you had done this a week after realease we would not be in this mess, and we would have all the servers sat at healthy populations….

If something is not done soon – well read about those already bored with the choice of empty W3 losing all the time / and those with up-to 6hour queues and tell me the future looks rosy.