Guild Wars 2

Interesting fight’s so far. I’ve ran into FA more then SoS. Seems like a majority of FA are not lvl 80’s though? Just lvln alts or? Anyway regardless Glad to have gotten rid of blackgate it was a headache trying to go up against you guys. Truthfully Kaineng got lazy from steam rolling up in tiers. We were NOT ready for T2 when we got here. I think though we have all learned a lot and grew so hopefully we can give this another go and show our true potential? So far this matchup seems evenish. We are in the lead right now but I don’t pay much attn to weekend reset scores ^^. Things can change very much depending on everyone’s weekday coverage. ^^ Anyway good luck to FA and SOS. Also to the comment about ppl normally hating FA hopefully you guys wont feel necessary to be not so nice since we all are normally respectful ^^ Regardless Kaineng has heard it all though the tiers so its nothing we are not use too. Even back in T8 before transfers came in DR were not so kind haha.

Maelwaedd.5842:

Ashuri.1387:

I’m a clicker too xD most ppl are shocked when I tell them this. I can’t help it, my left hand is pretty much useless. I even hold guitars like a left handed person would xD LEAVER THE CLICKERS ALOOONEEEE LEAVE THEM ALONEEEE. On the other hand my bf tells me its because I’m a girl sometimes when he is feeling not sexist he says its because this is my first game… hohoho

It takes about 2 weeks for muscle memory to build up, it wasn’t natural for any player when they first changed, but once you do you will never look back

Taugrim has a good guide for keybindings you can have a look at and adapt to your own playstyle, plus a few general guides for strafing and keybinding
http://taugrim.com/2012/06/27/guide-to-guild-wars-2-keybinds/

It will feel really weird for about 2 weeks but give it a chance

Hmmm, thanks. I may give it a try. Thanks for the info

To the TC two thieves and mesmer playing hide n seek with us in KBL hills. LOL is all I have to say. After we cleared you from the hills I hear ppl saying mesmer thief..and I’m like eh they can handle then I hear maybe 30mins later. Got the thieves down but mesmer is still running around. I’m like WTF still -_- So I head over there find the mesmer at vista. Start chasing the little asura then he uses that speed and stops by the edge of the cliff. I already knew what was coming to me, as my main is a mesmer. Its all slow motion to me as I’m about to dodge and bam right off the edge of the hills…lol I dont think anyone found you, guess you just gave up and left lol. Too bad it was a time you didn’t have enough people to infiltrate again… lol anyway hilarious!

phaneo.4597:

Are we allowed to talk all of this in a PG-rated thread, with Chuck Norris around?

looks at CNB guys

Chuck Norris approves

FilthyRat.4652:

Ashuri.1387

Ashuri.1387:

Wow Ferg’s what happened to you? Did you guys suddenly choose to be dbags? I’m visiting ET for a week and was doing EB JP and you guys love ganging up on ppl there even when they respectfully bow. Especially that Charr from the guild SIKE. I’m so dissapointed, respect has been lost for some of you.

What are you talking about, we have the same problem with people from SF and ET camping ever JP and ganking our players. Don’t make it seem like our server is the only one that does it.

I am not, I’m telling my personal experience with fergs who I bowed to several times and spoke with who just laughed and continued. I had no issues with SF while in JP they all bowed right back. I’m speaking personally and notice how I said SOME. My whole time in the puzzle all I saw was fergs ganging up on everyone there. So for this personal experience the only ones were fergs. I posted here because I know before we wanted to know ppl camping JP so our server could deal with it, so I did so to post about this guy from SIKE. I was so kitten far in the JP So I was pretty upset since I’m not very good at them lol and no one around to revive me. I know every server has ppl like this so please don’t think I am saying Fergs are the only ones. I have quite a few friends in FC and I’m not that type of person. Just speaking on my personal experience today. I’m not use to running into issues like this, personally had nothing but positive and respectful experiences in the JP, any other time. So this was a new experience for me, and I was just dissapointed. I apologize if it seemed that way, I suppose I should have elaborated in my first post more. So SORRYYYY <3
Kaineng [CNB] Commander/Guild Leader <3
Nyx Petalouda – Mesmer
Let’s play nice kittens<3

about a month ago

There was a post from when we first came to this server so not sure why you feel as we should wave turn our backs and then get knocked off the cliff from behind. You guys taught us not be friendly in there with this type of behavior.

And be truthful guys your servers have had a lot of infighting and guilds not working together in WvW…and blaming us for having numbers is getting a little old and silly. The truth of the matter is you have been bleeding members long before we came into the picture.

umm what? Idk why you quoted a post of mine from forever ago and started talking about something else…miss reply? >_>

PROTECT THE DOLYAKS~

I MUST SAY THIS NOW. You TC guys are VERY respectful! I was just in your BL bluewater camp looking for you dolyak murderers O-O and decided since no one was coming to my call to hit you myself. haha idk why but it was fujn dropped some of you but in the end was killed haha. You guys bowed like sweethearts <3 hehe I was expecting some body jumping like everyone else haha

Jayne.9251:

Dear Kaineng,

Not sure what you’ve experienced with other match threads, but I think you’ll enjoy the TC/BG matchup on the forums. Our players (and BG’s players) are mature and respectful, and we hope you bring that same mentality into this week’s match. It makes for an overall pleasant week .. for an example of how fun a match thread can be, go here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Feb-1st-BG-TC-FA

Looking forward to meeting out on the battlefield!

And you do realize the new guys have to buy the cookies, right?

Love,

TC

Whaaaat. Mannn no one told me of this. I’m so unprepared. I got to run to the store no time to bake them. >_<

On a more serious note I’m looking forward to this respectfulness, and some fun!!! Join CNB’s random fight clubs O_O pm me hahaha We provide the entertainment haha

Bones.5762:

thenoobler.7540:

Warsworn was an old Kaineng guild from Tier8…. we are currently on Dragonbrand actually… we transfered off Kaineng a week before the huge alliances xferd onto Kaineng…. and are now fighting against Kaineng. lol.

Gotta miss them days, I tried to find you guys when we was matched up in the FA/DB/MAG matchup but i couldn’t find any war commanders, you guys don’t play much anymore?

Yepp I remember you guys. Saw you in WvW and even had fightclub with some of you guys! haha it was fun. You guys left awhile before the transfers came in actually.

Yeah my guild (CNB) tried the whole ET things a long time ago yet it still just didnt feel right to CNB. After all we’ve always said Kaineng no matter what. So we all migrated back and our working hard to get out of the shadows of others. I really miss the DR/FC/Kain matchup even if DR did outnumber us we all still fought hard, FC guys included. Sad to have lost some old Kaineng ppl to ET but glad you all seem to be happy! ^-^

CNB is still here fighting in Kaineng, under a new name but still tagged CNB. We are in WvW everyday we are just overshadowed by these larger transfers. They are all part of some alliance where the are each assigned a borderland where as us CNB guys freelance to where ever the action is. Honestly as I have said before we welcome the transfers always. I dont like that these larger guilds dont seem to communicate with us original Kaineng members much but I have seen some improvement. Although they want us to go to NEO or some other stuff and personally my guild is not interested. We have nothing against NEO or any other alliance going on in Kaineng but were just not interested. We are actively recruiting WvW members due to a loss of members from the old CNB disbanding (long story). CNB will rise up again and if people transfer back out you can bet CNB will still be here. ^-^

So the fight clubs we have had set up have been a blast!!! Thanks to everyone for joining CNB’s random fight clubs haha. We have made a lot of friends from the other servers! Specifically Maguuma haha. I would like to shout out to those guilds who have been nothing but a blast. iLL, Dull Egotastical Raiding Party(it kept changing your guild tag to kitten -_-), WaR, and EGW and one person from IKR. lol If I am forgetting anyone sorry!!! These are just the main guys I’ve personally spoken with!! Things like this really helps ease the tension in WvW. If we don’t see you guys again after this reset we can still hop in PvP haha its not the same tho but it was fun while it lasted!! <3

Niim.9260:

Out of curiosity, so I know them when I see them, what are the original Kaineng guilds that are still around on the battlefield?

CNB still is!!! ^-^

Rhyis.7058:

Ashuri.1387:

There is a bug with the que. At least on KBL there is.

I imagine that bug is, you got too many people queuing the same borderlands.

No most Kaineng ppl are in other borderlands, they gave up a long time ago. Yet the bug is still there.

Littlefeather.8623:

6 hour que? seriously !?!?!……

There is a bug with the que. At least on KBL there is.

Apparently its not clear [CNB] Chuck Norris is back IS the old [CNB] Coknballs. Just so you all know. We WERE here from the start ^-^. Sorry about my rant…just made me mad when a DB guy told us were bandwagon Kainengs. The best part is he use to be KAINENG and joined Dragonbrand HAH

Even though this week we own mostly everything again its still fun because CD and YB are not giving up. Their zergs are really large and I think I was only running into their smaller zergs. So the map doesn’t stay blue constantly where we have to go around and ask ppl to fight us Don’t get me wrong fight club was fun! haha Regardless still can’t wait for a challenge, where Kain struggles again. I miss those days.

Sadly no matter where we go we still hear “Kain sucks they’re all numbers crap WM WM WM”. Sucks to have a smaller guild in Kain WvW now a days. Back in T8 us CNB guys made an impact…now we can hardly get onto the same borderland together or even put up our commander tags (well we can but its pointless). Some of you new larger guilds who transferred in should talk with us smaller guilds who have been fighting in Kain since the start….don’t just push us outa the action we worked so hard for. Don’t get me wrong we welcome you all, but kinda sad working so hard then being overshadowed and I’m sure my guild is not the only feeling this way ^-^

To the issue concerning my guild I want you to know it has been taken care of. CNB will not tolerate hackers. ^-^

Oozo.7856:

Kaineng Strategy:

Step 1 : Engage enemy

If win, proceed to Step 2.
If lose, add 10 more players and return to Step 1.

Step 2: Move to next objective
Optional: Post about how you outplayed your opponent

Return to Step 1

That’s funny, from what I have done and seen anyone else do is if we don’t succeed we move on then eventually come back to whatever we couldn’t take. Not waste our time trying to take something we cant. Then we eventually go back and try again. We don’t get on map chat saying wahh cant take this BRING MORE PEOPLE O_O.

Secondly, to everyone saying our tactics are worse majority of us are not even in WvW because of the uneven match-ups. So you have not even been reunited with us normal wvw guilds from back in T8

AHAHAHA So much complaints about our transfers we got. Listen here, we LOST quite a few LARGE wvw guilds in Kain back when DR outnumbered us incredibly! So please shove it with the transfers. Also we didn’t get those transfers until AFTER we fought DR so hard and got out of T8 once they left us. Seriously, its like people forget that we fought so hard against DR’s numbers and kept loosing guilds because of the match up but we kept going. As I remember we never looked over the fact we clearly outnumbered our matchups. We always gave recognition to everyone we faced and didn’t boast about out winnings like others. Kain is still one of the lower populated servers, just so happens most of us love WvW. hehehe Anyway I guess Kain we better get use to hearing this BS about we suck, our zergs are easy, we only win due to the transfers blahblahblah…all we can do is continue to work hard and move up and learn in the process!! Let’s keep fighting Kain!!! We have grown so much already!!!!

Oh the irony in all of this. It feels nice to be up against DR again, but apparently they are not the same as before (numbers) so its no fun. The guilds who have been with Kaineng since our loosing days have been looking forward to it. Sadly Kain is on a whole other level and is still looking for the right place in tiers. I just want to say yes we have gotten some transfers in but remember when we didn’t have these numbers we still put up one hell of a fight back in the DR/Kain/FC days. Those same ppl who worked so hard then are still here working hard!! To anyone who has transferred to Kain welcome, I hope the ppl here are being nice. I know when I took a week vacation in another server with my guildees we had some ppl telling us to leave. So hopefully no one experiences that. Regardless of the numbers lets try to keep the bickering to a limit and we will be out of your hair’s soon Kaineng is still working its way up to a spot where it is balanced.

Jesse.4631:

Ashuri.1387:

Wow Ferg’s what happened to you? Did you guys suddenly choose to be dbags? I’m visiting ET for a week and was doing EB JP and you guys love ganging up on ppl there even when they respectfully bow. Especially that Charr from the guild SIKE. I’m so dissapointed, respect has been lost for some of you.

What are you talking about, we have the same problem with people from SF and ET camping ever JP and ganking our players. Don’t make it seem like our server is the only one that does it.

I am not, I’m telling my personal experience with fergs who I bowed to several times and spoke with who just laughed and continued. I had no issues with SF while in JP they all bowed right back. I’m speaking personally and notice how I said SOME. My whole time in the puzzle all I saw was fergs ganging up on everyone there. So for this personal experience the only ones were fergs. I posted here because I know before we wanted to know ppl camping JP so our server could deal with it, so I did so to post about this guy from SIKE. I was so kitten far in the JP So I was pretty upset since I’m not very good at them lol and no one around to revive me. I know every server has ppl like this so please don’t think I am saying Fergs are the only ones. I have quite a few friends in FC and I’m not that type of person. Just speaking on my personal experience today. I’m not use to running into issues like this, personally had nothing but positive and respectful experiences in the JP, any other time. So this was a new experience for me, and I was just dissapointed. I apologize if it seemed that way, I suppose I should have elaborated in my first post more. So SORRYYYY <3

Wow Ferg’s what happened to you? Did you guys suddenly choose to be dbags? I’m visiting ET for a week and was doing EB JP and you guys love ganging up on ppl there even when they respectfully bow. Especially that Charr from the guild SIKE. I’m so dissapointed, respect has been lost for some of you.

KOH you guys are awesome, and a lot of fun haha! Your guild really has a lot of great players…so many guardians haha Those 1v1 matched were a blast! Going to be working on my mesmer then I want a rematch Ty! haha

lcc.9374:

@Chaster
“Oh, just another fun convo I had with someone on the battle field the other day
SomeNewPlayer: Hey, I’m new, what is the best guild in Kaineng?
Me: There are no best guild in Kaineng.
SomeNewPlayer: Not even Kain? KR? SoS? CNB?
Me: Nope, because everyone is equally great.
SomeNewPlayer: But I mean what is the main force for Kaineng?
Me: Everyone that have spend even just one second in WvW is part of the main force.
SomeNewPlayer: Eh, how about what good guild in WvW?
Me: Every guild that are willing to sacrifice their time and effort in WvW, is a good guild.
Me: FOR KAINENG!
And that, is what WvW is all about. Every bit counts. So if you have stepped in WvW in just one second, you should feel proud, even if you did nothing. "

That was touching . /Cries

tries to see if i can put it in my sig

just need to shorten it while not losing out on the feeling …. hmmm

HAHAHA I love this!

Chris.4527:

With the 2 months I’ve been on FC, us and Envy have turned into a brother/sister type of relationship, haha. We both decided to leave FC since it has no future in this bracket anymore. We can stomp the map during our prime time, but soon we go to sleep the asian army takes over. `

So we are moving on. Good luck to FC.

Wow FC, sorry about this. Truthfully we at kain know how that feels. Also regarding asian army. I’m online when they are not…taking small groups around keeping our BL capped and moving into other territory capping. So this “asian army” is not the ones doing all the work. Surely SoS is large and when they are on they do take what ever is left, but just because that guild is large and outnumbers in their time zone does not mean they’re going to take it easy on other servers. That makes no sense. Whenever I roam around taking things 8 out of 10 NO ONE IS DEFENDING! Also SoS is kain, people need to stop basically referring to them as their own server. The members are all kain members…they just wear the SoS tag if its not SoS it would just be some other tag, online joining whichever commander happens to be online taking stuff over. Other servers should not use this and quit wvw or take you’re guild and move. Kain and FC were severely outnumbered by DR…although it seemed Kain was targeted more then FC (idk just how I felt, and many others) yet MOST of us didn’t give up…we put up as much as a fight as we could. So for you guilds in all servers who leave when the going gets tough…you may now be part of a different server, perhaps a winning server…but you’re not a winner where ever you go! You’re abandoning you’re original server because things get rough, I only hope which ever server you leave rises up and one day goes against which ever server you move to and dominates you!

Finally to FC and ET, Kain server knows we outnumber you both. Yet, this doesn’t mean were going to back down. One thing I have seen though is MOST are not bragging about winning, because we do know we have an advantage. Don’t give up because of this fact. Let’s make it as fun as possible with what we can. We don’t want to be like other ppl who outnumber servers and brag or act big headed.

Envy I’m sad your leaving..you guys have some really good PvPers. It was always fun running into you guys. I don’t think you guys should leave FC just because its hard right now, but who am I to say not to. Hopefully you’ll reconsider.

Karg.2381:

Be careful Kain, if you start winning youll be the next ‘zerg’ server. Funny how the world turns.

Glad to see you back in the fight though. Miss the rivalry against you guys.

Sure, the only difference is (if you read this forum) we are not bragging, giving props that sound more like an insult, or running our mouths. All I have seen is us giving TRUE props to the other servers and clearly stating we know we are obviously out numbering them at times. FERGS AND ET you guys are awesome and are doing great! Came on today and saw ET in the lead! I’m loving the clean fights we have. ET guys I feel like we don’t know any of you! It be nice for you guys to come introduce yourselves on the forums! DR guys don’t you have your own forum to creep up on? Shoo! <3

Darek.1836:

Dred…… why? What reason in hell could you want to curse Kain and FC again after all those weeks against you. I believe I speak on behalf of most of T8 (except ET) that we honestly don’t want you here. Too much drama.
I beg you guys to rethink this transfer.

You surely speak on behalf of us all! Those guys did cause too much drama. I’m loving the clean forums we’re having without them now (so far) Fergs/ET/Kain so far have been doing great and no drama. Hopefully we can keep it that way. And ET dont feel down we were all in the position you guys are in Take it as a good way to learn. I know kain did! You guys are still doing well on your BL seeing as we both hit you guys immediately. I am loving the even comp between Kain and Ferg (except we do seem to play on different times). and DR hopefully you will continue to rise to a tier with servers who can also match your numbers. WvW is boring if you easily win.

StormWolf.7645:

Ashuri.1387:

You know I feel the same about DR. I am not just trying to throw it back either. Idk how many times I got alt+f4 by DR’s before I finished them. Also speed hacks I’ve seen so many. Its so obvious when your crippled and your still running quickly! Hackers are on every server. If you were on my side you could see how many in your server does as well. Just as I am sure the same goes for Kain. All we can do is report them…no point on complaining on the forums and putting the whole server down for the select few’s mistakes.

But of course when I caught Devonas jumping up a wall and into Bay, I IMMEDIATELY assumed it’s the whole Server despite witnessing it 3 times because after the first time I kept an eye out. After all…it’s OBVIOUSLY the entire Server that’s horrible hackers and cheaters. -.-

Seriously. Grow up people. There will be cheaters on every Server so long as cheats are an option, some people will just do it because the option’s there.

That’s what I was saying so idk why you quoted me saying this.

TheSchryvers.6540:

Drednyte.7601:

nice hack AGAIN by CNB to get inside Hills…and no, gates/walls were not down anywhere. And no..there was no mesmer inside for the past several hours lol. cant wait for accnt bans on it.

btw its a lil female human mesmer using a staff, upgraded 80. she likes to teleport on the ramp near the vista. got FRAPS running on that spot now =)

Drednyte I would very much like to see any videos that you record of anyone in our guild cheating, also what time { server time } they were on and if anyone else was participating with them . I will admit that it has been a problem in the past and when it was brought to our attention in the forums a few of the higher ranking people asked around and dealt with the offending parties internally and to the best of my knowledge they have not used any cheats or exploits again. Unfortunately there are a few human lvl 80 mesmers in the guild { including myself } and the guild is kinda split half WvW half Pve so i cant pinpoint who is is exactly. I hope this dose not affect the image of the legitimate players of CnB in WvW who only want be a respeacted guild and to fight as hard as we can while having fun doing it.

I second this. Please do bring more to the table. I honestly couldn’t suspect a single member in our guild to be doing this. As what was said above we have dealt with the last accusation as our fellow member stepped up. I’m not saying your lying but at the same time this could be a misunderstanding. You said the Mesmer was a lvl 80 upgraded meaning they were not yet lvl 80 correct? I believe I have the only one as far as I know and I haven’t even been to the hills in wvw for quite a few days now, and haven’t even been in wvw today or yesterday. As always though we will take this information and deal with it accordingly.

Morningstar.6208:

I am really sorry to see so many kain players using speedhacks and alt+F4. Most of the new players and guilds who joined Kain recently are really but really bad. I miss old Kain.

You know I feel the same about DR. I am not just trying to throw it back either. Idk how many times I got alt+f4 by DR’s before I finished them. Also speed hacks I’ve seen so many. Its so obvious when your crippled and your still running quickly! Hackers are on every server. If you were on my side you could see how many in your server does as well. Just as I am sure the same goes for Kain. All we can do is report them…no point on complaining on the forums and putting the whole server down for the select few’s mistakes.

Drednyte.7601:

Fun fights in DR, Kains, and Ferg BL. I thought I’d die laughing when the DR group got to Kains Garrison…and in mapchat i see..“nobody has siege or supplies”….rofl

Some folks never learn eh…. well gratz on defending it from the nubs. They all left when they failed at taking it. Gave u a chance to PvDoor back ur map. We started to put up a little defense at Hills, but no supplies, no siege, and all of 7-8 of us there just wasnt gonna compete with the 20+ u had at the south gate. Was fun though.

Props to you all!

You should really work on your “props”. Idk if I should say thanks or what. You guys had so many at our garrison earlier. We were going at a 45 min+ defend there. Then yeah we did take our BL back because you guys just all up and left after we won at the garrison.

KwayZee.5742:

Chris.4527:

KwayZee.5742:

we have chosen who is going to be second on the server.

LOL

I am sorry, that’s just to good.

Believe what you want Chris. We know what we have been doing. Why do you think you guys are even on points?

Week 47: From 2012-11-17 to 2012-11-24 we knocked Ferg below Kain.
Week 48: From 2012-11-25 to 2012-12-01 we screwed up and Kain took second again costing us 86 points.

Week 49: From 2012-12-02 to 2012-12-07 Ferg took second and we gained points.

Now this week unless Kain just rolls over to Ferg to screw us over, we are going to knock Ferg to third so we gain the most points that we can. Mark my words Mr. Chris Ivey.

That hilarious, because I’ve hardly seen you guys touch the fergs. Constantly on our BL. Not to mention at the start of the week I watched a group of fergs and devs work together to attack us. Whatever we place we’ve earned ourselves. Not because YOU have “decided”.

Rastofin.6132:

I, for one, will not be counting out Kain this week. Spent most of last night in North EB in constant battle against players who played hard, Notably CnB and KR as alliances and the pugs seemed ferocious as well. Had a great time during one of the fights in pangloss, we lost, but that was the most fun close quarters combat I have played on my mesmer. On the flipside, props to LARP/Envy for running a good route and trashing our initial attempts into the SE… we were so close to grabbing that keep early on.

This may be our last week in this match up so as an original DR player I would like to leave our tier without enemies, save those leaving to join our potential opponents in the next tier, in that case keep the rivalry going. We have had some great transfers in, they brought in higher tier stratagems and mentality and of course, numerical superiority. Their seamless integration with our base of players that were, for several weeks, similar to the characteristics of both Kain and Ferg now put us into the position that we are in, moving up a tier.

Hopefully we will be gone, however the server that moves in will have relatively similar points, player base, and hourly coverage(initially). So keep fighting hard, practice how you play, it may not get easier and might come down to holding your ground until that lucky transfer(s) go your way.

My final shout out goes to the Commanders of EB last night, not just coexisting, but working together through the thick of it. And, yes I’m tooting my own horn: [SoCo], [RGTG], and [Dark] rarely are we mentioned, which is how we like it, but when there’s a knocking on your keep door, that’s usually us

I was there! It WAS fun! haha

Catisa.6507:

SO [CnB] can only come out and play after Rio Nguyen [CnB] logs into EB on DR server to check how things are going for DR first? That kind of tactic, its no surprise half the guilds are bailing on kaineng server.

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Want to talk about a waste of Golems? Kaineng walked 3 of them to Southeast Stonemist gate single file with no escort. We didn’t even bother with cannons and siege, just jumped off the walls and killed them one by one as they walked up.

Not sure what happened with this, but I am an active [CNB] WvW member and our guild does not support things like this. We don’t like to play dirty at all. So I hope you really don’t judge the whole guild on whatever really happened. (: Hopefully we can bring better impressions in the near future! <3

You know I play on Kain and I must say, yes we are seriously outmanned but doesn’t that keep it interesting. I really hate the fact that people from our server have to trash talk DR and fergs, it makes us all look bad. I’ve noticed with Kain the problem is people on our server rather argue with each other, talk crap to our commanders saying their plans suck, their terrible commanders etc etc then try to put up a good fight. There is a select few guilds that keep at it and don’t want to give in, which I love that I am a part of one. Our problem at Kain is that we cant join together and put up a fight. Another issue is people in wvw start loosing on Kain and they give up or they transfer out. With that attitude you can go to the best server and I’m telling you now your not a winner. Your a loser who gave up and went to a server where you don’t have to really work for it. My point is sorry DR and Fergs were not all like that in Kain, and to Kain’s shut up and play! Stop arguing and stop giving our commanders a hard time who are trying!!! I don’t see you people coming up with any ideas. We in Kain really need to group up. We should take a lesson from ferg and DR and work harder as a server!