Guild Wars 2

Quickness is fine and I’m happy with it.

AB in WoW was capture the point and it was, what, 15v15 (I don’t remember it being that much, but thats what the internet says)? Why is 8v8 a problem for this game?

Ammandril.9150:

I’m giving up on pvp. The reason is simple – I can’t find 4 very good, experienced people. Many people that play GW2 pvp(or stopped it) are former WoW players, and are used to 2v2 / 3v3 arenas. That mode was a way easier to find teammates for. What about WoW’s 5n5? It was a dead bracket. It’s going in the same direction in GW2. Sadly, there’s no other bracket…
If there was a 3v3 arena(which would be the best – rather balanced, with not many people needed to play) for sure PvP would be better.
But that’s just a planning failure. There was a hope for pvp to be something exciting as a new thing. Well, playing as bunkers isn’t exciting. Standing on the point for whole games. Sometimes, it’s better to take advice from someone’s instance. You’ve created something new, good. It was fine for some weeks, because it was NEW. Now it isn’t anything new, and, sadly, it became a boring game type.

Of course not everyone must agree with me. I’m sorry for the criticism in the post, but I(and not only me)‘d love to have another game mode… just typical arena battles. The “just-fight” system is allright there – very dynamic, and You don’t have just one viable build for a class. That’s a big, BIG plus. Just the game modes are boring and there aren’t enough interested-in-pvp people to form teams.

I agree that the capture the point basic game mode is boring when its the only one, but you think adding 3v3 arena will make things less boring? WoW had more going on in its pvp than arena. Arena was the most boring aspect of its pvp in my opinion. Arena should be like a world pvp afterthought.

I really hate when Im downed and its clear I’m not going to get up again, and I start typing something to my team and as soon as I’m stomped it closes the chat box and so my typing starts opening EVERY window on my screen. Turn that kitten off!

If its hot join and you are losing, just quit. If its tournament, then blame what will probably be your loss on the afker and move on.

Rottaran Owain.6789:

8v8 is bad because maps become too full of players. It inherently biases the game towards those with ranged AoEs, and those who rely on distracted opponents.

And those players don’t have those advantages still in 5v5 how?

There is no question the matching system in spvp needs to be improved, but even then spvp is a different beast than tpvp. People want to play tpvp, regardless of how well matched they can be in spvp.

Hmmm I had a response in here, but it seems to have been deleted.

Again, it is not always just that easy for a lot of people to get a group together and do tpvp. I dont know what server you are on, but on my server unless you are in a guild, which a lot of people are not and I understand that, you are not getting a group together. Spamming mists chat will get you nowhere.

The state spvp is in, a leave penalty will make a lot of people just give up. There is just too much imbalance and it is just all too possible to join a game that is already clearly decided in favor of the opposing team, who is then just going to rack up kills while they have you 3 capped. When I join a game like that, I quit.
For tournament play, why not. Tournament play is more important for the people in it at the time, and considering there is also waiting involved, especially for paid, its extra awful if someone up and quits on them mid game.

I actually enjoy having lots of people in a game. I’m fine with the idea of 8v8, or even 20v20. There just needs to be more incentive to win the match than to just farm kills to make that work.

Sprawl.3891:

pugs should not be forced to play spvp to avoid being stomped because as we all know spvp is a horrible zergfest.

Not only that but sometimes it STILL feels like going up against a premade lol on many occasion in spvp it seems the enemy team just all decided to type madly and coordinate insanely and just 3 cap us right away and completely destroy us, just like what happens to me in tpvp. I NEVER end up on THAT team.

Keep paid as it is. For free simply group and pit solo players with/against each other and pit 4-5 man teams queing up against the same.

Anything that nerfs thieves, in any way, I’m all for.

Capricorn is the most unfun map, and the underwater part is the worst part of the map.

Without the same rewards that tpvp has spvp will attract less players. Casual players still want the increased glory and chests and all the rewards that come with tpvp and they cannot get it from spvp, so they que in in free tourny. There is no reason they shouldn’t have access to that, because they paid their 60 bucks for this game like everyone else and playing the game more than them, with a hardcore guild, doesn’t make anyone deserve anything more than they do. It’s just a game, after all, not a job.

Since those same players will then lose, pathetically, 90% of the time in tpvp, they will slowly be turned off of pvp altogether. After all, giving up on tpvp for the night and going back to spvp is NOT going to make you feel any better. Its going to be worse.

When combined with the fact that the mists chat is all but dead on some servers, many casual players just have no hope in sight for pvp.

Stu.2841:

It wouldn’t be that hard to implement, but it could have a drastic effect on queue times.

Would you prefer instant disappointment or slow satisfaction? The former is what almost every pug gets in free tourny.

If a game like LoL can be an e-sport, I see no reason at all why GW2 cannot, especially once they implement new maps/modes etc., which in all likelihood they will.

^Thats a great idea. I would really like that.

Noctred.6732:

It’s programmatically possible to make it so that observers see solid colors for both teams, while the players themselves have a toggle to either see solid colors or custom dyes.

Everybody wins.

Just quoting this again because there is no reason this should not be a feature in this game. If the devs really listen to the players, let them see this 100 times a day.

DragonM.2170:

Worst idea ever … srlsy for PUG games you have a hot joins deal with it … stop crying about ohh i cant play pug vs premade its so hard to JOIN GUILD ? Tournaments are based on TEAMS and if you are so leazy to add some friends or ask on guild chat or even spam in hearth of mist (classes needed lvl and so one ) blame your selfs only. Nobody gona do it EVERYTHING for you…

Again, it has nothing to do with being lazy (or leazy, whatever the kitten that means). Some people do not want to join a guild. Just because you are in a guild doesn’t mean that other people want to be. Some people don’t have real life friends that play this game too. Some people do in fact try to get a group together by spamming in mists chat, but on some servers (like mine) mists chat is all but dead and no one responds to such things. That has already been said but I guess you chose to ignore that.

MaXi.3642:

as said, if you dont like playing against premade teams, go play hot join… tournaments are what they should be now…

hot join – free for anyone, cant join as premade, only alone
free tournament – free for anyone, can join alone aswell as premade
paid tournament – need to pay tickets, only for premades

1 for solo players, 1 for good solo players/“bad” teams, 1 for good teams, this IS balanced

That is not balanced at all. Good solo players will lose in a pug, hands down, I’d say 90% of the time, to what you consider a “bad” premade. There is NO option to avoid that. Telling solo players to go play hot join does not solve the issue as hot join is A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING THAT TOURNAMENT. Sure it solves the premade issue, but has issues of its own and does not have the reward system that tournaments have. That is what makes people want to play tournament. Anyone who genuinely argues against all this I’m sure is having a great time rolling pugs in free tourny, and enjoy. Really, have a good time. You are getting great reward for little “work” and thats the whole drive behind a reward based system of any kind. Get more, fast.

But don’t think for 1 second that that was balanced.

The only way it will change is if they make the glory reward for winning a round outweigh the glory gained from the average amount of kills during a round for a decent player. I don’t know if I’d prefer that or not.

Yea that happens a lot, but like you already know there is not as big a reward for actually winning as there is in the tournaments. There have indeed been plenty of times where I defended points and took points all round, and won the round, and it didn’t seem like I got as much glory as a few times when everything was just chaos and the round took a long time so I had more kills and actually ran off into nowhere to fight more than usual.

Why not use the other weapons for the same purpose though? How do they differ other than being higher damage?

I also dislike this. it shjould be an option. For spectator/commentary purposes, choose to see the standardized colors. For the players, let them see what they want. The reward system is based purely on looks (you even get DYES as a reward) so I’d rather see my teammates and opponents the way they meant themselves to look. It would also give the game a slightly less fps/arcade look/feel.

Its also next to impossible for some people to find a group. The mists chat on my server is dead and unresponsive.

NeedCoffee.1402:

I Could be wrong, but your post to me feels like you are one of those that enjoy gaming with your friends all on vent and facerolling a bunch of randoms. If thats the case GW2 will never be like that.

Is that a joke? Thats all I see in free tourny

Thats a cop out response. It has nothing to do with being lazy.

Thieves are by far the hardest class for me to beat, with my ranger, warrior, and necro. I’ve been INSTANT killed by them a number of times on both my necro and ranger. With my warrior an average 1v1 is up in the air. None of my characters are pure glass cannon.
In my experience the most infuriatingly frustrating OP class. It feels really good to kill one when they didn’t get to jump me from behind.

I completely agree that something needs to be done about constant premades vs pugs. People joining free tournament randomly, by themselves, should be “matched” with the same. People in a group of 4 or 5 should be “matched” with others who are grouped.

I understand the desire to do free, even when grouped, since its free and not everyone has a giant stack of tickets for paid all the time, but it becomes completely demoralizing to get steamrolled game after game, all day long, by guilds running their premades through free tournament, leaving you with wasted time and almost nothing to show for it, driving you to stop doing tournaments and only do hot join, which has its own drawbacks but ends up giving the solo player more reward for his time.