Guild Wars 2

Hello guys!

I’m coming back to this wonderful game due to having more free time on my hands and I have a question which I was hoping someone can answer.

When I used to play Berserker gear used to be the best most widely used type of gear by every single character, I’m reading a lot of different things lately but I’m a bit confused, what’s changed about that?

Thanks for answering!

Thanks guys, that was really helpful. Only problem is I got the upgrade bug now and want to do the whole system O_o

Espionage.3685:

CursedShaitan.9720:

ive got a phenom II 965 running at 4.4ghz and terrible fps

Define terrible and in what kind of situations. I have a Phenom II X4 @ 3.4Ghz (unlocked X3), and I get 40-60+ in most PvE situations excluding group events which can drop down to 20-ish I believe, maybe a bit lower, but in any case, I find that pretty reasonable.

I have the same CPU you have and WvWvW is completely unplayable in zerg fights. Interesting to know how you’d get 20 fps….

Thanks mate. I just ordered an intel i5 4670K with a MSI Z87 board, I’m going to keep the GTX 460 and save the £250 to buy a GTX 770 later. Hopefully I’ll see some improvements as WvWvW is impossible at the moment with my old Phenom =\

Fermi.2409:

Bastien.1645:

Interesting post to read. I too am suffering currently, got an AMD Phenom 955 which I appreciate is getting old but all other games run fine at 60+ FPS, makes me a bit sad to think I’ll have to update my System for an MMO, I mean, to play a game like Crysis/Metro I can understand but an MMO?

The very nature of MMOs tends to make them demanding, same with RTS games.

I understand that but I’ve tried almost every mainstream MMO released in the last 10 years and none of them cause me any issues such as this one!

But hey not to say it’s all Anets fault, I am aware I need a PC update, just … need moneys

Interesting post to read. I too am suffering currently, got an AMD Phenom 955 which I appreciate is getting old but all other games run fine at 60+ FPS, makes me a bit sad to think I’ll have to update my System for an MMO, I mean, to play a game like Crysis/Metro I can understand but an MMO?

That’s because they are still using GW1 servers that they bought 10 years ago lol, no amount of network engineering is going to sort it out. Better use money to fund Wildstar

I have a Phenom 955 3.4ghz at the moment and it’s just not doing it.

I’m thinking of upgrading it to a Intel I5 4670K

The GPU will remain a GTX 460 right now but do you think I’ll notice a difference? I recently bought my gf a gaming laptop i7 4700mq with a GTX 765m and Guild Wars looks like a new game on it compared to mine, seriously, that laptop literally spoiled the game for me as I didn’t realise how out of date my PC was.

Any suggestions?

Zephyrus.9680:

8v8 vs 20v20

4+4+4 vs 4+4+4 vs 80v80(v80)

4v4 vs 1+1+1+1+1 vs 1+1+1+1+1…

GW1 had small scale fights better. GW2 has better large scale fights.

GW1 had small scale strategic fights where player contribution, reflexes and prediction were very important.
GW2 has pop stabilities 1111111111111111111111.

Fixed it for you.

So I was in Enemy Borderlands and I didn’t realise you could buy lower level epics there. I made the mistake of buying level 70 PVT gear instead of level 80 with Badges of Honor.

Just wondering if any one here knows what Anets stance on those kind of mistakes are and whether they would help me at all if I made a ticket?

Okay answer me this,

I absolutely loved GW1 PvP to the point of it brings almost tears to my eyes to think of how dead the game is, just so you understand my experience I was in a gold trim guild.

In LoL again, I am platinum ranked and love the game there but hate the community.

I am obviously the kind of player who buzzes off anything PvP related but GW2 PvP to me feels repetitive, faceroll, gimmicky, boring, etc, am I the one with the problem or do you not think that the combat/pvp system is genuinely kitten?

SpehssMehreen.5897:

decent combat system? did you even play gw1? seriously? you couldnt even jump or dodge in that game, it was point click and cast like the old mmos, troll post?

How does jumping matter? And dodging is a GW2 Mechanic, has nothing to do with PvP, it was point/click but very magic the gathering based where you had to react/predict your opponents Moves, for example a Ranger/Mesmer would be on guard waiting for an Ele/Necro to attempt to cast a destructive spell or a Warrior be on guard and watch for Blinds/SS before Frenzying and blowing his load on someone.

This game is roll face across keyboard /dodge+wait for cooldowns *roll face across keyboard *Repeat.

Last time I logged on Guild Wars I couldn’t find a single player in Temple of Balth /RA/HA/AB

R.I.P Decent Combat system

Gnat.9405:

Bastien what are you even talking about? This is a relevant topic and there is mostly constructive discussion going on here and you’re berating MMO gamers on an MMO forum? Please stop posting before the thread gets locked.

I’m not berating any one, I’m an MMO player myself and have been for the last 8 years. We could say the same thing about CoD gamers and MOBA gamers (heck the last one is the worst). I don’t feel I’m derailing the topic, if it’s okay to give examples of “good times” in a dungeon group then the bad times should be spoken about as well.

Yenn.9185:

^^ Way to make a blanket statement. At that age group you mention, 16-25, almost everyone I know is a full-time student. And you’re off-topic.

Implying that students have a lot to do /is a full time job….

Vayne.8563:

Bastien.1645:

Lanfear I honestly think a lot of people who play MMOs quite sadly and simply have no life. I know that sound really harsh but it’s true, youth unemployment is at an all time high and for a lot of people between the ages of 16-25, a game like WoW/GW/LoL is the only “goal” they have due to lack of opportunities, they create this artificial goal due to lack of career/life progression and they use getting that next “purple” as an incentive to keep living.

Except that the age of the average gamer is now over 30.

That makes it even worse, substitute what I said to being stuck in a dead end job. I’ve known guys who were single, not interested in meeting women or unable to meet women and would literally spend half their salary on LoL skins every month because they had nothing better to do. They were also in the typical 9-5 job with little pressure/targets (think IT Support) and no additional responsibility/stress outside of work.

If you have a theory of what causes this kind of “rage” amongst on-line communities then myself and a lot of people would love to hear it.

Lanfear I honestly think a lot of people who play MMOs quite sadly and simply have no life. I know that sound really harsh but it’s true, youth unemployment is at an all time high and for a lot of people between the ages of 16-25, a game like WoW/GW/LoL is the only “goal” they have due to lack of opportunities, they create this artificial goal due to lack of career/life progression and they use getting that next “purple” as an incentive to keep living.

IndigoSundown.5419:

a t s e.9614:

Ok , I need to stop using those forums , because I don’t understand 90% of the people that use them and it will cause conflict . If enjoying content for some people is clearing a dungeon in 2 hours instead of 10min then yes . I truly need to stop reading those forums . Considering clearing a dungeon faster will give you the end reward faster , it does really makes no sense to stay in those dungeons for 2 hours , omg i need to stop reading it now .

Let’s say a person’s goal in the game is to enjoy himself. He’s doing a dungeon with friends. The group is on Mumble, chatting, cutting up and generally enjoying each other’s company. No one is in a hurry. No one give’s a rat’s behind about getting pixelated rewards. They’re having fun with each other and that is their reward. Under those circumstances, a longer experience is more fun than racing through it.

My best memory in GW was a run in the Fissure of Woe. The heals monk had to log out due to migraine, a couple of others left. Five of us completed the clear, and it took us hours. I’d not had so much fun in a game before, and haven’t since.

Migraine was OP on Monks if you didn’t bring hex removal. Can’t blame him for leaving!

This is a really noob question but I never do dungeons (I’ve only done AC/CM and CoE) but how do you guys check when the bosses/mobs attack? In the couple of groups I’ve been in people are always stacking up on top of the mobs and I find it really difficult to see when they are attacking through all the spell animations and fields.

Also, the last time I did a dungeon I joined CM with my level 60 Elementalist and I kept getting 1 shotted, we finished the dungeon and no one complained but I felt really bad for my party as they were all level 80 and some of them were dying but not half as much as I was.

I just recently bought my girlfriend a laptop for £700 and it’s an absolute beast, I am so jelly of it because I have a gaming rig although I did build it 2 years ago so it’s a bit out of date.

The specs were

i7 4700 cpu
GTX 765m gpu

It runs every thing fluid, even in WvWvW there’s no lag and the game looks amazing on all high settings.

It was built to order though so I didn’t pay the premium that comes with big brands like Asus/Samsung or pay for a copy of Windows (Saved almost £100 on that alone).

I don’t know where you’re from but I’m sure in the US you could find similar websites with custom built laptops for around 500-600 euros.

McSlappy.1372:

Bastien.1645:

Plot twist: What if Anet nerfed champ boxes so that wvwvw players get even less gold so that they are forced to pve to get ascended gear =O

It would then again be worth less then worthless and my time would be better spent doing other things or playing other games again. Only reason I even considered trying the game again is because you could get ascended in PvP. If that hadn’t happed I’d still not be playing this game and not really missing it much. But the best PvP gear can now be obtained in PvP so we’ll see how I like it at the end of the WvW season one. Giving it another shot till then.

lol where do you get this idea that the best gear is obtained in PvP? You can’t get ascended gear in PvP.

Amulet you need laurels
Rings you need laurels
Accessories you need laurels+Ectos

Ascended weapon mats would take you years to get just through wvwvw and you can’t even get the ascended mats required in wvwvw.

I’m not having a go at you, I wish we could get ascended armor/weapons in wvwvw, I made a big thread about it a couple of weeks ago, but we can’t

Plot twist: What if Anet nerfed champ boxes so that wvwvw players get even less gold so that they are forced to pve to get ascended gear =O

I don’t even understand Anets direction on this, Warriors in Guild Wars while Axe and Shield was very popular it was literally only because of Eviscerate, Hammer Warriors were always extremely popular throughout the whole course of the game, the difference is, in Guild Wars it took time to chain stuns, you’d have to build adrenaline which you couldn’t do if you were being kited or hexed or if your attacks weren’t hitting for whatever reason. It seems like in this game though they were like, kitten it, let’s give them 3-4 Stuns/Knockdowns that they can chain and are only limited by short cooldowns.

Yeah I agree with you on your last point, you are absolutely right, it’s just lazy design that plagues not just this game but other games as well, I can actually imagine the junior Dev trying to tell his bosses that he wants to add dynamic and unique abilities to bosses and then the guy who’s been there for 15 years saying, nah screw that, just give them melee AoE/cleaves….

Fletch.3572:

This guy don’t remember the real Kessex bridge farm.
Dozens and dozens of afk bots sitting there pulling in materials and karma 24/7 for weeks on end. Thought it might have been back from the thread title =D

Let’s punish real players instead of dealing with bots?

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

Bastien.1645:

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

Bastien.1645:

It’s not a Ranger problem. Ranged is significantly weaker then Melee in this game as it should be since ranged play has almost no risk compared to melee.

You can say that about any class, highest DPS:

Warrior: Axe /GS
Mesmer: S/S or S/F
Thief: D/D or S/P
Ele: D/D
Guardian: S/x /GS
Necro: D/x

So it’s not a “ranger” problem, all classes have highest DPS in melee. Stop taking things so personally, the grass isn’t greener on the other side.

Pretty sure Ele highest damage is Conjured weapons and staff build….

That being said, a lot people play the ranger to use a bow. Mostly because its right in the description… and its a fun archetype…

The risk, benefit analysis of why melee should do higher damage is just silly. Also, seeing as melee weapons all have more defensive capabilities than ranged counterpart also lowers that “risk”. Only thing I might condede is that melee should have a higher burst potential to make up for time they have to get out of combat.

I chose ranger to play a specific way. The way the description stated it. Use bow, and dispatch enemies up close. Not stay close all the time.

So you want to do as much damage as a Thief/Ele who will get 1 shotted if he makes a mistake in range of a Boss from 1200 range away. Got it.
Yeah that definitely seems fair.

I would say over a 20second span of fight, yes, the damage should be equal. I think melee should have higher burst potential to make up for time they have to avoid a fight, but the damage should overall be equal.

The game is about playing how you want to play. You can make as many arguments as you want, but at the end of the day, you should be competitive how you want to play.

I agree with your last statement however it wouldn’t be fair if ranged did more dmg than melee since there is a considerably higher risk involved in melee range. Coming from WoW it always kinda kitten ed me off when Rogues weren’t the #1 dps class in the game and Mages/Warlocks standing in the back with 1 hand on their mouse the other hand eating a sandwich did more DPS considering in the last 2 years 90% of fights have been designed with lots of anti-melee measures and it’s very similar in Guild Wars.

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

Bastien.1645:

It’s not a Ranger problem. Ranged is significantly weaker then Melee in this game as it should be since ranged play has almost no risk compared to melee.

You can say that about any class, highest DPS:

Warrior: Axe /GS
Mesmer: S/S or S/F
Thief: D/D or S/P
Ele: D/D
Guardian: S/x /GS
Necro: D/x

So it’s not a “ranger” problem, all classes have highest DPS in melee. Stop taking things so personally, the grass isn’t greener on the other side.

Pretty sure Ele highest damage is Conjured weapons and staff build….

That being said, a lot people play the ranger to use a bow. Mostly because its right in the description… and its a fun archetype…

The risk, benefit analysis of why melee should do higher damage is just silly. Also, seeing as melee weapons all have more defensive capabilities than ranged counterpart also lowers that “risk”. Only thing I might condede is that melee should have a higher burst potential to make up for time they have to get out of combat.

I chose ranger to play a specific way. The way the description stated it. Use bow, and dispatch enemies up close. Not stay close all the time.

So you want to do as much damage as a Thief/Ele who will get 1 shotted if he makes a mistake in range of a Boss from 1200 range away. Got it.
Yeah that definitely seems fair.

Sometimes I wish this forum had an iQ test before being allowed to post. No idea how so many people can not tell that the OP is absolutely trolling the kitten out of them…

It’s not a Ranger problem. Ranged is significantly weaker then Melee in this game as it should be since ranged play has almost no risk compared to melee.

You can say that about any class, highest DPS:

Warrior: Axe /GS
Mesmer: S/S or S/F
Thief: D/D or S/P
Ele: D/D
Guardian: S/x /GS
Necro: D/x

So it’s not a “ranger” problem, all classes have highest DPS in melee. Stop taking things so personally, the grass isn’t greener on the other side.

I have to agree with the Zerker arguement… I do have a PVT set because I wvwvw quite a lot but in PvE I find I perform 100 times better in zerker then “tank” gear.

Don’t forget, the faster things die the less opportunity for mistakes from you as well!

Or maybe because I play a Thief I don’t see a difference, zerker or pvt, I still get 2 shotted regardless

I’m still trying to understand why a company is even giving us free content every 2 weeks. I’ve never heard of any other gaming company that does that, yet people still complain

I haven’t done this event myself but… what are you complaining about?

yksdoris.2194:

Ranger: oh, I dunno, I’m leveling one now with the Greatsword as main, that usually goes: 3-2-5-1-loot

as for Ele’s, I loooove my ele, most fun to play of all the classes I’ve tried. Sure, you gotta learn to dodge but that’s part of the fun as I’ve enabled a trait that does 5-damage whenever I successfully dodge without using my 5-ability.

I have a level 80 Ranger as well and the Ele feels a lot stronger…

£25.5 for 3 gathering tools in a video game who only work on 1 character.

I’m not sure if Gamers are incredibly rich or incredibly stupid…

and here I thought that the fact that it was soulbound as opposed to account bound was worst thing about it…

Larynx.2453:

Bastien.1645:

Larynx.2453:

Ele is not very straight forward to play, and has one of the higher skill caps in the game. Conversely, they are also ranked medium-low as far as viability goes. This means that eles will have to play much better yet receive less rewards than someone else. For example, guardians and warriors. That is the largest issue, and probably will always be a fundamental issue with the class.

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I don’t mean to discredit ele players opinions in any way but you can pretty much say that about any class in the game…imo that’s a Warrior design problem not an Ele problem.

No it’s not. Guardians can literally spam their abilities with a greatsword. Rangers autoattack 90% of the time. It’s not a warrior issue.

Warriors: Autoattack, hundred blade, whirlwind attack
Guardian: CD spam
Thief: Black powder + autoattack
Ranger: 11111111111211111111
Engineer: Grenade/bomb spam is adequate in most scenarios

I’ve never leveled a mesmer, but it’s definitely in a similar boat with ele. I leveled a necro over a year ago, but only to about 20 so I don’t think my opinion on that is very educated, but I think it’s not as bad as ele/mesmer, but it’s still much more involved than non-light armor classes.

I might be misinterpreting your post but are you complaining that your profession is more complex and requires the usage of more skills? Because that should be fun not something to complain about… even games like WoW where you can raid with your eyes closed most classes rotation tends to be 4-5 different skills whilst watching timers/buffs/boss abilities, things that guild wars doesn’t even have.

Larynx.2453:

Ele is not very straight forward to play, and has one of the higher skill caps in the game. Conversely, they are also ranked medium-low as far as viability goes. This means that eles will have to play much better yet receive less rewards than someone else. For example, guardians and warriors. That is the largest issue, and probably will always be a fundamental issue with the class.

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I don’t mean to discredit ele players opinions in any way but you can pretty much say that about any class in the game…imo that’s a Warrior design problem not an Ele problem.

I rolled an Ele the other day and yes he’s only level 42 but it’s the most fun I’ve ever had in this game?

and I have an 80 ranger, thief, warrior, mesmer and 60+ guardian. All of which I wvwvw/PvE with.

Why is there so much hate on Ele in this forum? Is it just going to become terrible when I hit 80 because nothing can be worse than my “mesmer” levelling experience :P

Please help me understand as I’m seriously considering making this character my main! Never had so much fun in guild wars before, I’m currently levelling with S/D but will try Staff and D/D in wvwvw once I’m 60+.

Mackdose.6504:

Bastien.1645:

Mackdose.6504:

Bastien.1645:

Mackdose.6504:

DocHolliday.5921:

Mackdose.6504:

DocHolliday.5921:

Mackdose.6504:

DocHolliday.5921:

Mackdose.6504:

It’s not important they have an advantage, it’s important that the rewards that they earned through playing the game aren’t taken away because someone that wants to be on equal footing without playing the game feels it’s unfair.

I’d be fine with everyone being scaled up to ascended.

So your whole argument has been about splitting hairs this entire time. Why on earth didn’t you just post that at the very start, and save yourself the time and trouble of all your other pointless arguments?

I don’t think any changes should be made in WvW at all, and I dislike the reasons given to justify player’s rewards being taken away.

I argued against the justifications.

And, as I just pointed out, your arguments against the justifications did nothing to refute them. All those arguments you made were pointless. So again, why did you waste your time splitting hairs, instead of just posting the compromise you’d be OK with?

Because their shouldn’t be a compromise. There’s no problem to fix. Just because someone says there’s a problem doesn’t mean there is one.

Of course there should be a compromise. You always have to make compromises in big games to keep people happy. No two players want exactly the same things. Thus, once you have your target market, you make the compromises you need to in order to keep as many of those players as possible. Also, just because someone says there’s not a problem doesn’t mean there isn’t one.

If someone says there’s a problem, they need to provide evidence supporting the claim.

Numbers on paper isn’t evidence.

Lol how old are you? Numbers on paper is exactly what evidence is, cold hard mathematical facts. Your experience on the matter means nothing.

Except your numbers are theory not practice.

That’s not evidence, that’s a hypothesis. My case study (general gameplay) does not support your hypothesis.

What are you talking about? Plenty of people have done the math, it’s not a theory.

The numbers on gear don’t mean anything if you don’t hit your target. The math doesn’t
give us a picture of what actually happens, only of would could possibly happen under very specific circumstances.

That is irrelevant.

Put 2 Warriors of exact same skill and spec vs each other, the one with 20% more damage will win.

Don’t give me what IFs, that’s mathematical proof.

Mackdose.6504:

Bastien.1645:

Mackdose.6504:

DocHolliday.5921:

Mackdose.6504:

DocHolliday.5921:

Mackdose.6504:

DocHolliday.5921:

Mackdose.6504:

It’s not important they have an advantage, it’s important that the rewards that they earned through playing the game aren’t taken away because someone that wants to be on equal footing without playing the game feels it’s unfair.

I’d be fine with everyone being scaled up to ascended.

So your whole argument has been about splitting hairs this entire time. Why on earth didn’t you just post that at the very start, and save yourself the time and trouble of all your other pointless arguments?

I don’t think any changes should be made in WvW at all, and I dislike the reasons given to justify player’s rewards being taken away.

I argued against the justifications.

And, as I just pointed out, your arguments against the justifications did nothing to refute them. All those arguments you made were pointless. So again, why did you waste your time splitting hairs, instead of just posting the compromise you’d be OK with?

Because their shouldn’t be a compromise. There’s no problem to fix. Just because someone says there’s a problem doesn’t mean there is one.

Of course there should be a compromise. You always have to make compromises in big games to keep people happy. No two players want exactly the same things. Thus, once you have your target market, you make the compromises you need to in order to keep as many of those players as possible. Also, just because someone says there’s not a problem doesn’t mean there isn’t one.

If someone says there’s a problem, they need to provide evidence supporting the claim.

Numbers on paper isn’t evidence.

Lol how old are you? Numbers on paper is exactly what evidence is, cold hard mathematical facts. Your experience on the matter means nothing.

Except your numbers are theory not practice.

That’s not evidence, that’s a hypothesis. My case study (general gameplay) does not support your hypothesis.

What are you talking about? Plenty of people have done the math, it’s not a theory.

Mackdose.6504:

TainoFuerte.8136:

DocHolliday.5921:

And again, the point remains: if gear makes so little difference, why not just put everyone’s stats at the same level, making it more fun for everyone?

Because you don’t get paid unless you back Anet’s decisions.

Man, I can’t wait for that check. /sarcasm

You do realize how insulting you are by insinuating that having opinions different from yours means that people are shills for the game?

You do realise how insulting you are to my intelligence when you try to convince me that a 10% (with trinkets) or 20% stat increase ( with weapons + trinkets) doesn’t mean anything right ?

That logic is flawed.

So let’s take 2 of the best spvp players in this game ever, top guilds etc.

They duel each other and the one who loses is now terrible at this game ?! That makes 0 sense, in a duel/1v1 there will always be a victor and a loser, doesn’t mean the loser is terrible just because he was outmatched!

By the way guys, there’s a similar thread in the WvWvW forums if you want to check that out as well.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Bastien.1645:

Now please go grind PvE to play WvW. We’ve all done it.

Actually, no we have not….

Why not? 180 Laurels and 400g to get 2 Different Weapon crafts ( Weaponsmith + Huntsman/Artificing) is not hard to get. lol

Lol this guy is funny. 360 gems costs like £4. I spent 10x that on LoL Skins a month

It’s only like 20% more stats with weapons and trinkets.

Hardly makes a difference… Now please go grind PvE to play WvW. We’ve all done it.

Hey

I was wondering if someone can help me, my main realm is Desolation and lately I’ve been waiting 1-2 hours to get into Eternal Battlegrounds borderland. I appreciate this is the average que for most people but the funny thing is when I get in the map is practically empty? Last night we didn’t even have a commander and there was only about 20 people there?

Why is the que so long when we are vastly outnumbered/there’s only 20-30 people in the map?

Doesn’t make sense to me .. what am I missing?

Galen Grey.4709:

TooBz.3065:

To me, that argument is a cop out. It’s like saying it doesn’t matter if I have to fight with one hand tied behind my back because the other guy may have had a better breakfast (obviously ascended isn’t that severe but it makes the point). An advantage is an advantage. Just people there are other imbalances in the game does change the fact that this is another one.

Put another way, even if there are many factors that may contribute to a loss, an imbalance in ascended gear will always be a contributing factor, and frankly one we don’t need.

Further, I think ascended gear hurts the game. I think it kills variety. For me, variety is a contributing factor that keeps me playing the game. But I guess that doesn’t matter either.

It is a contributing factor no doubt but one which we’re psychologically conditions by other games to think its larger then it really is.

No one complained ever that siege weapons where an unbalance. No one complained that having as many as 500 players per server in such a huge map is unbalancing. Yet having 500 players per server in such a huge map makes it (theoratically) so that its in the real of possiblity that you a single lone players comes face to face with a force of 1000 enemies you have to fight solo. But no one complains about that what they complain about is ascended gear and its 5% advantage never mind the potential 100,000% disadvantage you could find yourself in a fight (and we didnt factor in siege weapons here) (exageration i know but i dont think its undeniable that both siege engines and 500 player count per serve and the size of a map create a much bigger imbalance then ascended gear ever could) why do we have no problem accepting the big issues and feel like the world is ending because of the small issue?

How the hell are Siege Weapons a disadvantage? To they randomly spawn in the middle of a battle? Because I always thought Commanders bought the prints and then they were built by the players in the map with supplies gathered from capturing supply camps.

Oh and the population imbalance is a lot harder to fix then scaling gear to Exotic. There’s a reason why MMOs always have dead/imbalanced servers, it’s not an easy issue to fix, if you can think of one then I’d try and get a job with a big developer, you’ll probably be paid quite well.

Because those people don’t know any better and they are the future of our map (Levellers/New players). What do you want to do, kick them out? One of the greatest things about Guild Wars is that you can level/play the game however you want and you’ll achieve the same rewards, THAT IS THEIR MANIFESTO. Your argument is completely flawed, those level 10 players are having fun and learning PvP/enjoying a game mode because maybe, just maybe, they don’t like to do 20 dynamic hearts (Go collect feed and give it to cows) per level.

People who spend hundreds of hours grinding ascended gear for a gear and statistical advantage over their opponent know fully well what they are doing and are basically the kind of people who would bring a gun to a knife fight (slight exaggeration but you get my point). So please do not compare them to people who are having fun and levelling in WvWvW, every one has to start somewhere, this is my exact point of this thread, it’s about pushing elitism out of this mode, I was personally attacked last night after logging in by some PvE hero with 10k achievement points for making this thread, just goes to show the kind of community most PvE players have, you’ve seen the kind of attitude in WoW for years lf 2m 10000+gs link achiev or ignore and it’s transcending to GW now. I’m going to say this that is going to offend people but it’s completely true. Gear grinds attract people with no life/career who dedicate 10+ hours a day on a game and take it extremely serious because sadly, they have nothing else going for them.

This also has nothing to do with 1v1s, nobody cares, and to be honest, I’m in a better position then most people since Desolation is one of the biggest PvE servers in EU, so if anything my zerg will probably be almost fully ascended compared to other servers, but that’s not the point, if Deso has 20 people fully ascended and Gandara has 5 people only, who do you think would win? Vice versa.

Also, 1v1 /2v2/3v3 don’t matter but hey, it can matter a lot, you never know, what if it’s a 3v3 battle competing for a very important resource/supply camp at a very important time? It’s all subjective.

But the above is not even as important as this: WvW players should not be forced to PvE to get the best gear, that’s the point, if you think that’s fair then think of this, how would you feel if you could only buy Ascended Gear/Weapons with Honour badges?

I realise now how short-sighted people in this forum are, the problem is not having 1 or 2 items, the problem is in 1 year time when every one is walking around in full ascended, it will make it incredibly difficult for levellers or new players to compete and enter World vs World, this will create an elitist mentality and unwillingness to cooperate/help new players progressing in WvW because they will be dead weight (even harder to carry then they are now). Now this would be okay if ascended gear was open to every one but it’s only open to A) People who do Fractals People with hundreds of gold. Both of those types of people are usually not PvP’ers or new players.

I don’t mind grinds and PvE vertical progression but Anet needs to keep it out of WvWvW so that new players can easily access it and not feel at a disadvantage when starting out PvP, they will already have a huge skill disadvantage I don’t believe they should be at a gear disadvantage as well.

This will also benefit alts and players who enjoy playing more than 1 character/1 build.

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Vol.5241:

Ascended gear in WvW is irrelevant. You will not notice the difference, especially when you consider the other bigger variables, such as orb buff, party buffs and blob size

If it’s irrelevant then what’s wrong with making it really irrelevant and disallowing it in WvW?

Because WvW is GW2 version of openworld pvp which means…pve buddy. Maybe it would have been easier to just make WvW like spvp and everyone has exactly the same options at all times while not being able to level at all. Which means hey, if you want to do anything other than WvW down the road you will have to focus specifically on pve.

Spvp went down that road, why take away when you should be adding.

Face it, OP…you should just kill this thread as it will gain no traction. TBH, it doesn’t make sense to me, “yay…let’s make one set of gear inop”. WvW is not an arena/bg format like spvp is. 1yr in and you haven’t realized that yet?

Why can’t it be? Doesn’t this game have enough PvE content that we now have to bring gear disparity/grind to wvwvw as well…? I just want fair play and a balanced game, do you not understand this kind of mentallity stops new players from coming in?

Do you know a sure way to kill most businesses? Not gaining new clients, sure retaining existing clients is important but a business that doesn’t bring in new clients will eventually die. This is exactly what happened in Halls during GW1, titles and elitist mentality from players like yourself stopped new players from coming in and enjoying the mode which eventually died because old players left and there were no new ones to replace them.

This is what’s going to happen eventually, If we make the entry “gear” level of WvWvW one that takes hundreds of hours of grinding to attain then eventually the game mode will die because new players won’t be able to get in, imagine you’re a new player, just think about it for 5 minutes, you just bought the game, you did Queensdale/Kessex Hills, you are now level 20-30, you go into WvWvW, you’re walking around and some player kills you with no effort, you put it down to lack of experience, you go back to PvE, get to 80, now you go back to wvwvw, you’re walking around and a fully ascended thief 2 shots you, the same thing happens, over and over again, you go with a zerg but the AoE of fully ascended elementalists/necros/guardians/warriors is too much and you can’t even survive that, you have enough and leave, never join a borderland again.

Eventually the old players will leave and there will be no new players to replace them, the same thing happened in HoH in GW1 in the sense that new players were coming in, all groups were r7+ and a new player couldn’t find a guild, was there for a couple of weeks mostly waiting for groups, after getting their bambi they would leave, some wouldn’t even make it that far.

On this note as well, can I urge wvwvw players to please stop insulting PvE’ers in map chat, I see it every day, players can not learn without making mistakes first and insulting them is not going to make them want to stay and be part of the community. We need to educate every one and for the sake of the map we need to be more friendly and encourage people to come and join us, insulting pve players/new comers and creating gear gaps is not going to do this, surely we don’t want Borderlands to be as deserted as most of the levelling areas in this game now do we? We all started somewhere, my first real MMO was guild wars in 2005, I started playing PvE and I was a complete noob about anything, I never even played an RPG/MMO game before, I thought it was the most amazing style of gaming in the world, by the end of my guild wars days I was part of a gold gvg guild, I couldn’t have done it if some very friendly koreans in HA hadn’t for some reason taken me in and taught me the roots, I went from being that PvE hero with FoW on every alt to someone everyone in HA knew, I think our community has lost that, I don’t see many people taking others on any more and it’s something that I try to do.

Which is why I made this thread, I dont want gear or rank disparities to exist and stop new players from coming in and enjoying this game mode, and for the core wvwvw players, I don’t want them to have to go and spend thousands of gold/grinding for hours to be able to represent their World in the best way.

I honestly don’t see why Ascended players complain, we’re not asking to remove the gear in PvE, we’re asking to have it scaled to Exotic level when entering a Borderland.