Guild Wars 2

Jim Hunter.6821:

Some of the ones they shut down as match up threads are just baffling. For example…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-on-low-servers/first#post6534057

Let see… OP just asking if this joke called “linking system” is gonna continue or if WvW Team is already working in a system that encourages players to keep playing WvW -and new players to join it-… and suddenly, the message is locked by “match up thread” reason?

Seriously, Anet? This is the kind of communication you said that would happen?

Really?

If it’s intentional, I hope it remains.

No reason for being intentional. I already expected this bug would be fixed asap with the first hotfix, but… surprise, it wasn’t!

Please, fix this. It’s very annoying in WvW!

And what if we, instead of playing with the score, try to face the real issues of the gamemode? For example… population balance and lack of goals that WvW is suffering since time ago?

Don’t know… just a silly idea, you know?

It doesn’t work the achievement.

Keeping apart the point about unliking this map coming back (I won’t argue about it here), why Anet didn’t fix the old bugs and exploits that this map had in the past, before throwing it back to the game?

Wait, you don’t know what exploits and bugs I mean?

- Guards entering in combat with npcs and contesting structures without reason (as happened with the Garrison in EOTM, btw).

- Siege being placed in respawn, into zones where are supposed to not be possible to place (a very old exploit used by lame players for sieging and defending towers in the north).

- Structure doors that can’t be crossed after breaking when the door is broken at same time than siege is blocked with Siege Disabler.

- Enemy players being able to cross the respawn doors and entering in.

I wait an answer from the devs about all this, since it’s supposed these old failures should be fixed time ago.

Heya, Mr. Wing. Here are my 2 cents.

Describe a typical hour for you in the Alpine Borderlands in the past. For example, What size of group were you running in? What kind of tasks did you run? What activities did you do?

As kittenual roamer, I keep playing the same as I used to pre-HoT. Even more now, since the addition of sanctuaries. I continue taking small stuff -camps, sanctuaries, killing dolyaks, etc.

Compare your experience described above with a typical hour spent in Eternal Battlegrounds, if you went there at all. Does your style of play change between the 2 maps?

After including the new map, I barely enter in EB, being honest. Just ‘cos most of servers decided to ignore the new map and fight in the old EB, I go there now and then. Lag is terrible there, but my main issue with this map is… that I’m bored of the same map after… 2 years?

Compare your experiences described above with an hour spent in the new borderlands.

Delightful. I enjoy the way how you force the enemy to control every spot for avoiding siege to hit their structures, ‘cos terrain is important now… something that _didn’t_ happen in the Alpine map.

Describe the nature of combat in the borderlands in the past. How have the new borderlands impacted this paradigm for you? What style or build changes might it cause? For example, knocking people off cliffs or into lava might play a more important role.

I try to play with the new mechanics as much as possible. I never forget to grab the buffs in sanctuaries, ’cos they can help you during a defense -or an attack-, plus while roaming around the structures.

In your experience, compare the time it takes take a structure or objective here, then it did in the past.

Here comes the main point, and you’ll apology me for going a bit out of the feedback… but it’s important to state the point.

Many vet players stopped to play ‘cos they can’t arrive to the north structures like in the past -1 min or less of reaction time from natural WP to Garrison-, ‘cos now they must spend 2 min at least if the Garrison WP is locked. Without mention that they need more of 3 min for arriving to the other castles (old Bay and Hills), ’cos they can’t use WP for entering in and defending. The lack of spots like in the past for exploiting defenses and avoid attackers to be effective is another point where they blame the new map to be ridiculous.

How is the loot and wxp for you compared to in the past? Will it be able to sustain whatever you are doing? Did it take a hit, or was it improved? If you are planning to unlock an elite specialization, do you think you were helped or hurt in these regards? Do you think you could pursue any other in-game goals just by playing WvW?

I completed the last two-three steps of some of my specs using the new tokens in WvW, so it helped me a lot. Going apart, loot could be a bit better, being honest.

How will the map change impact the long sessions (multiple hours) you spend in WvW?

Not much. I keep playing WvW more or less what I used to.

In 100 words or less, describe how the new BLs could be improved.

Upgrades requesting supplies and presence of a controller. To get four upgrades at once without cost of supplies doesn’t make a lot of sense. You can have full upgraded structures without effort, and focus on bothering the enemy servers without problem, specially if they have less poblation.

In 100 words or less, describe how the borderlands work to a new WvW player.

I don’t think the new map is being a different experience for a new player, than the old Alpine map would provide. Adaptation is the secret.

In 100 words or less, describe how the borderlands work to a veteran WvW player that is new to the maps.

The reply included “In your experience” point can work here too.

Which map am I most likely to find you currently, if you’re on Gw2?

New BL map.

Not sure if maybe someone else had this bug, but well… after 56 pages, I can’t read them all, sorry

I’m trying to finish the Living Story (Mord’s last fight), but it seems:

a) the glitch doesn’t open prolly when should, and

b) the third portal to Mord’s mind appears in the air, without option to land inside for interacting with it, so I keep stuck with two enemies who I can’t beat.

Very, very bad idea.

Do you want HoT release and new map pop at same time than reset? Easy: lock maps from friday (wvw reset) to saturday (HoT release) and make this next matchup to go from this saturday to the next friday, returning to the natural schedule (friday to friday). So, you’ll release the new map and all ready.

But to change the natural reset time to saturday from now? Ehm… no.

I still try to get what problem people remain finding when playing rangers and their pets. My pets never aggro wrongly, never are useless and I can lead them to every right target they must attack. So… now we have a problem with the Druid, when we even know what will offer yet?

I don’t want to think how many tears will be dropped in the forums if the Druid offers the option to manage TWO pets at same time -or something like this…

bladezero.9470:

…anything, at all, ever.

I feel crafting in Guild Wars 2 is nothing but a chore and a massive time sink/grind wall barring actually interesting content (combat in end game).

If you can give me some measure of assurance that I will be able to better loot ascended level gear, I will buy Heart of Thorns.

I’m sorry, this isn’t WoW. Thanks for your thoughts.

Dinks.2478:

Cambeleg.7632:

Just one point: the Legendary (and trait line) related with DPS didn’t release yet. I still don’t get why all this ‘low DPS’ question when this is a fact. We have Mallyx, Jalis and Ventari. Still we need to see the last one (Shiro?) for having all them, and to value prolly the class.

One DPS legendary? Yeah this class has already failed.

Or you didn’t check the class, or you just ignore it. Jalis is a support stance, Mallix is focused to conditions, Ventari offers heals… so there is a fourth legend/stance that will potence DPS somehow. This is the point.

Just one point: the Legendary (and trait line) related with DPS didn’t release yet. I still don’t get why all this ‘low DPS’ question when this is a fact. We have Mallyx, Jalis and Ventari. Still we need to see the last one (Shiro?) for having all them, and to value prolly the class.

I think staff would be a better 2-hands melee weapon for elementalists.

Umaru.2634:

People like the new system cause now they can play OP builds and one shot two shot someone. Fun.. pfff, of course unbalance is fun

I want to believe you’re not generalizing. You know, this is a very bad idea. If you’re too blind for getting the possibilities the new system offers… or for understanding the damage and effects still are being balanced and adjusted… well, it’s your problem.

I don’t “oneshot”. If something like this happens, I inmediately avoid it.

Sunshine.5014:

Vesuvius.9874:

Xenon.4537:

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

How about instead of nerfing conditions (especially ones that some specs are reliant on as their soul damaging condition) we instead look at other ways to fix the problem.

For PvE it would make sense for boss type creatures to have access to the resistance boon, condition cleanses or possibly even a flat condi damage reduction.

For PvP it would also make sense for every class to be given varying degrees of the new resistance boon.
It could be tacked on to various traits, skills, utilities etc…

That would solve allot of the problems in PvP.

If they continue to persist then other solutions could be looked at.

This, this, and more of this. You all cry “nerf” now, but what happens when they add the resistance boon? Will you cry “buff”?

Well said. Given this community, I think that’s exactly what’s going to happen.

I don’t ask solely for nerf to conditions damage. I want conditions to get buffed, and conditions duration runes/sigils to get nerfed.

Right now conditions duration runes/sigils/food carry too much damage for the conditions classes. They are forced to take those runes/sigils unless they want to reduce their damage by 65%.

I’m not agree. Even with these % about burning and other condition damages (like Bleeding), you have counter-skills for avoiding this damage: use them. Besides, if you use this kind of runes and sigils, it’s pretty easy to counter, ’cos this build will be based on a certain kind of damage… just counter it and your enemy will be a dummie, ready for being slammed.

binidj.5734:

Out of curiosity, of those people who like the new system, how many played from launch? I ask because a lot of the “I love it” posts appear to be people who fell victim to the horrible trait acquisition changes made (relatively) recently.

Almost three years in GW2. Enough time for you for validating my opinion, or you request to play since GW1 for it?

Raven.3957:

Everyone who “Loves” the new system is someone who already plays a op-meta build.

MEEEEEEC. Wrong answer, Raven.

I never followed ‘meta builds’, even I rage when someone ‘suggested’ me to check Metabattle for making my builds, just ‘cos they weren’t meta. And I love the new system.

Bad statement, Raven.

binidj.5734:

Cambeleg.7632:

C’mon, really? Just two days with a new system, and you’re asking for going back to the old one?

Well yeah, there’s much to recommend the new one like getting rid of all the “improvements” we got in the last big update, and divorcing trait lines from stats; but what makes me hate it is that it has destroyed a few of my builds for no better reason than ANet thinks I should play a profession in a certain way. I miss the flexibility (and UI where I could see everything on one page) of the old system because contrary to popular belief, not all of us made characters according to the current meta. They may not have been super-efficient builds but they were fun.

An example of ANet deciding how I play is making all necro wells ground targeted thus getting rid of the trait that made them that way, I mean that’s an improvement right? Wrong. I would gladly spend a grandmaster trait, hell an entire trait line, just to make wells PBAE again. Before consolidation I had the choice, now I do not.

Prior to the change I was happy with the builds of almost all my characters, now I’m happy with just under half of them.

Maybe you’re not getting the point about how ‘young’ is the new system. Either about they’ll be adding new trait lines with time -the specs in HoT are trait lines-, so you’ll have more options to spread your choices.

Just telling the new system is ‘kitten’ after a couple of days running, is a bit ridiculous. And to give as excuse ‘my builds are broken and I can’t remake em with the new system’… you’ll apology me by the expression, but is childish. Builds change always, sooner or later, and they adapt with every new change. If a player can’t manage to remake a build for the new times, maybe this player should think about why this happens… and not just blaming the devs for changing the system.

Just for the record: where I used to find 2 valid builds in some classes, I already found 4 or 5 valid ones with the new system… and I’m not already an ‘expert’, but just a player who likes to explore every option. This should tell you something.

Draknar.5748:

Let me tell you my experiences with personal housing from games like UO, AC, EQ2, Aion, and I’m sure others I can’t think of.

Everyone clamors for it. Everyone gets so excited OMG we have houses! Day one everyone goes out, claims their homes, sits in it look around, oh boy I can’t believe how great! I have a house! Time to decorate! Spend couple of days getting house the way you want it to look boy this is so awesome look how nice! Invite friends over to see house, they come by ‘house is cool dude’ they say ‘come see my house’ they add. Ok you go to their house looks cool enough, mine is way better but I’ll keep it to myself.

Next day go back to normal play, dungeons, PvP, raids, whathaveyou, before logging out, go to house, look around yep same as I remember maybe I’ll move this chair, nah it was better over there I’ll move it back. Let me invite my friends over ‘nah I’m good’ they say. I hated them anyway. Next day log into house, look around, yep definitely like that chair there, no bones about it. Go about normal day, time to log out, this one time I’ll log out here by bank, it’s a bit more convenient. Log in, play game normally, couple days go by, oh wait my house, let me go back and make sure it’s still standing, yep there it is, you know what if I add another chair. I’ll work on that tomorrow.

Days, weeks, months go by, visit house once or twice, don’t care to visit those other jerk friends’ houses because honestly who cares about them they are all terrible people.

Play game normally, housing is a complete afterthought that game developers wasted tons of time and resources on for people to play briefly and then forget about except for the small % of RPers who use it to have tea and crumpets.

Your results may very.

Even when this is true in many cases, the point about housing is pretty missed when the company changes the Devs Team (as happened with LotrO, for example), and they ignored this tool of the game. Of course it’s mostly wished by roleplayers, but even for non-roleplayers, it can be a nice add.

In LotrO, where I have more experience, you could show your own trophies -earned in raids, crafted or found in-world- and to have access to a private vault space that many people did thank a lot to have. It just rolled down when Turbine refused to update the housing system for something more dinamic, giving more freedom to choose where to have a spot and where a certain item.

GW2, even leaving the RP side apart, can add personal housing without problem. Same you have actually the “racial spot”, you could have the house there, to place your fav items and customize it for whatever you want it. And trust me, if many people love to buy cosmetics in the game, housing would add a new layer on this point.

ZeftheWicked.3076:

Depends on what housing. If i’ll get another generic looking cottage, or mansion like in lion’s arch or divinity’s reach then they can burn that idea and lauch it’s ashes into the toilet for all i care.

BUT, if you give multiple options, like these HoT Itzel houses and villages, or asuran architecture, with ability to add pieces on as i see fit (and not just furnish fullly pre-made model that i have no say about), then “I’d buy that for a dollar!”

Of course, this is a must. Decoration related with every race, or the place where is located, should be bound in the idea. Obviously, there would be some generic stuff -not all has to be related-, but the potential is huge.

Palleon.1657:

Yep exactly. Housing killed off Ultima Online, EverQuest 2, SWTOR, Lord of the Rings Online and all the others. They all closed their servers almost immediately following the addition of this useless game mechanic.

What? Sorry? Let me give a big laugh before replying…

….

… alright.

Now seriously, I hope you’re being ironic…

C’mon, really? Just two days with a new system, and you’re asking for going back to the old one?

Personal housing would give a lot of choices to developers for releasing content, new crafting and quest (Living Story) rewards.

Thumb up for this suggestion.

Manasa Devi.7958:

Since the most recent sale priced GW2 base at $10, exactly the equivalent of a character slot, this makes excellent sense.

Expansion + GW2 base game = Expansion + character slot.

Perfect solution.

A lot of people missed this point, but totally right.

Btw, HoT pre-purchased. I don’t need to wait until release for liking what I’ve seen until this moment, and whatever comes after release. We’ll see in the Guild Halls!

After the announcement of ArenaNet about the conflict with the released Standard Pack, I open this post apart from the other threads -that politely I suggest to close by part of the moderation- for giving a brief reflection.

First of all, thanks for rectifying, ArenaNet, for listening to the players and knowing to ‘step back’, fixing the issue. Also apologize to the people of ArenaNet by the bad manners that some users have shown in making their claims; I know it’s not my business, but since they will not apology by themselves, anyway I do. And I want to ask ArenaNet to learn from this incident and not commit a same mistake in the future so the gaming community can enjoy the game as usual.

I also want to address the players too. Discuss, argue… but always with respect. Bad manners undermine the credibility and strength to the arguments, so it’s a must to fall in meanness and direct insults. And those who laughed and acted mean against the ‘vets’ for requesting something they considered fair, I leave this post with hope they will consider this thought about the ‘veterans’: we are all in the same boat, we all love the game… and not therefore we must always agree; but only a psychopath would sink the boat. Think about it.

By my part, once again, thanks for rectifying, ArenaNet.

Dracolicious.2749:

What? how are you people happy with this?? you are paying 50 bucks AT least cause I know some of you WILL get the other options, and then all they are giving you back is something worth 10$??? No, that seems cheap. If you were giving out a free legendary or something NOW THAT seems more like something to pay us,veterans, back for the support WE HAVE given you Anet. Not some lousy character slot.

We are happy with this ‘cos it’s exactly what we requested. No more, no less. Respect.

Larynx.2453:

You’re giving Veteran players a free character slot? Nice!

Except for the people who bought the deluxe edition for the character slot. Now they’ll pointlessly complain. And thus the cycle begins anew, with people trying to milk undeserved concessions out of the company.

Wrong. Read the text again, Larynx. Every player will recieve a character slot, no matters what Pack you purchase.

Enrif.7359:

Hi there,

i read some many threads about that pre-purchase and many get upset. Most of them for the so called “missing” Slot for the Revenant Class.

Most of them argue that in other games, if they add a Class with an Expansion they also offer an Character slot….. is that so?

lets see.

WoW – WotLK : added the Death Knight Class, but no Character Slot!
WoW – MoP: added Monk, in its 4th! expansion they created one extra slot. and its a P2P MMO!
LotRO: added 3 Classes (Rune-Keeper, Warden, Beorning), No character slots get added to you, but you can buy more (like in GW2)
EverQuest: Added 2 Classes, no Slots

GuildWars: Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall are not Expansions! They are stand alone games. If you add any of them, even the first one without any new classes it adds 2 slots to your game, yet the only true expanions EotN does not add any Slots.

So where are all those Expansions that add slots for new classes? Surly not in F2P games which are so nice and allow you only 2 slots at base if you don’t subscribe or buying more on the store.

And new players don’t get 5 new slots, they get the same 5 slots every veteran has. they may be able to play the revenant instantly, yet they have to leave 4of the core classes untouched if they don’t buy more slots, like the veteran has to to access all classes at once.

Just two points:

1. It’s false LOTRO didn’t give extra slots when they released Runekeeper and Warden. Moria’s pack gave two spots already for a while. And don’t dare to refuse it, ’cos I already bought this pack when it released.

2. Good, you tell “New class doesn’t mean extra slot”. Perfect. Now I ask: “So, why Anet is giving a character slot in Ultimate and Deluxe?!”. Think on it yourself.

If there’s anything I hate, it’s hypocrisy disguised as “honesty”. Someone who tells to not be a ‘fanboy/supporter’, but acts as one, is a hypocrite.

As someone said previously, I’m glad you’re out of any of the games I play. With so mean attitude, I would stop to pay you asap.

Not for repeating same defense than others, the protests will be less justified. For every ‘vet’ who considers this deal as unfair, is justified.

Still with this? lol

Btw… BINGO!

Sadly, Choovanski, these same arguments have seen exposed for long and long time since the pre-purchase day, and still some people don’t understand it, so we feel forced to use other ways to explain it… lol

Jongi.7612:

Because they arent really getting anything that a vet player has. Its along the lines of an earlier example I gave. Its like needing a fork to eat pasta, if you bring your own fork we will give you the pasta for the price listed, if you dont have a fork however we will provide one for you. People think though that just because someone didnt have a fork and the restaurant and they gave someone else a fork, they should in turn get one too. Its like a toddler that already has a sippy cup to drink out of, but when the other kid gets a sippy cup they in turn want that one. Its not like new players are getting all the new skins for free or something, they are just getting the core game because its needed to play HoT.

Ehem… the fork is included in the service. What you do with it, it’s not business of the seller.

Straylight.7529:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Jongi.7612:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Straylight.7529:

No, the core game is free if you buy HoT. You only pay for the expansion. If you already have HoT you can just ignore that fact. If you don’t you can rejoice.

Then I am paying the same price for much less value than what other players are paying for. The core game might be free but then the players who are complaining already have the game so another free client doesn’t mean anything to them. That value is non-existant.

All that is left is the xpac.

yolo swaggins.2570:

New players are getting everything guild wars 2 has to offer plus a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

Old players are getting a new map, a 9th profession and features for $50.

No, your paying for HoT. New players arent getting EVERYTHING GW2 has to offer and thats what I have been trying to explain. They arent getting to experience what Vets already have, new players wont be able to experience no longer existing content. New players get pretty much a watered down old world where you have to pay to see anything past your personal story and a much lower amount of hours played. They get access to dungeons and such, crafting and world events and thats pretty much it.

I already listed the things each group is paying for. $50 for a map and another profession is a bad deal.

It’s going to be more than one map, though how many is currently unknown. You also get a new WvW borderland and a new pvp mode on it’s own new map.

Ehm, the WvW borderland is not bound to HoT, so either the new PvP mode, so you can play both without having HoT.

Gah, I was only going to remake the post, but I deleted it accidentally… lol

However, Draconius, if Arenanet finally gives a successful resolution for this conflict, and it affects you positively, I really hope you get this benefit too. After all, we ask for fair deals.

Jongi.7612:

The thing is though, not everyone is saying that. They dont understand that when you pay for HoT thats what your getting. They however think because of a misunderstand that they should also get the core game free if they are a vet player already. They can do this if they make a new account and will end out ahead of the new players. ANet just needs to fix the wording on their product selection to say this because they already said it in the forums that new players will get the core game for free.

Existing players already got their monies worth. $60 bucks for everything that they got to experience and the free stuff that they received though they are ignoring that. They dont even bring up what they already experienced like the marionettes, scarlet battle, all the season 2 living story without having to pay 200 gems for each episode, boosts and so on. They just want it because someone else gets a free game without looking at everything.

And the broken record keeps spinning…

Rai.9625:

Just to clarify… less rights?

When someone mention ‘rights’ is refered as customer ones, of course. Just to clarify. ^^

Jongi.7612:

Learn what a troll is. If you think im a troll why did you bite in the first place if im just trying to get attention and start stuff. I completely understand what people are saying, and if im actually not then why not take the time to explain it? More laziness on your part maybe?

You only need to read the big, big thread where started all. Or search it in Reddit. So easy… or more laziness on your part maybe? ;-)

Jongi.7612:

To play for 3 years doesnt give you more either. And the vets will get those boosts on top of the ones they already got which isnt equal. If I got 5 boots overall and a new player only gets 2 then that isnt equal right?

More? Of course not. Same? Yes. And to use as argument ‘the vets will get the boosts on top of the ones’ is ridiculous. Vets get these 5 boosts after playing 5 years with one character, or 1 years with 5 characters. A new player will have same after doing same, so… maybe you didn’t play enough GW2 for knowing this? ;-)

Jongi.7612:

Arkblue.6129:

I don’t think you can really play the “entitlement” card here since even many MMO sites are reporting the news and are also highlighting how vets are receiving a worse deal for the pre-purchase, suggesting Anet to sweeten the dail and make the 2 options equal.

Explain how they are getting a worse deal. Did you forget that the Vets got to play for 3 years, they got free level 20 character boosts and so on? Did these MMO sites report on that or are they just looking at it as “new players get something vet players dont so then its unfair”?

Oh oh oh, please please, can I? -raises hand up-

1. To play for 3 years don’t give you less rights.

2. “They got free level 20 character boosts” > Same they will get once they play year after year.

3. Read the sites and you’ll know it.

Astralporing.1957:

Cambeleg.7632:

‘Cos you’re not getting the point at all, this is why people stay on topic. You just got a minimal portion and you make it grow for having some point to attack, but it’s useless to make you understand it.

He actually seems to understand it well. That’s why there are key questions he is very careful not to answer.

I’ll re-phrase it, ’cos my irony seems to not be so clear.

‘Cos you got the point even before opening this thread, but you try to pretend you don’t. So, you just get a minimal portion and make it grow for having some point to attack.

Better now, Astral? ;-)

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Jongi, really I can’t help thinking you just are trolling ‘cos you don’t stop repeating same arguments again and again. lol

What do you expect me to do when people keep repeating the same things over and over again? Its called staying on topic. Do you expect me to talk about pink unicorns and gumdrop enemies or something?

‘Cos you’re not getting the point at all, this is why people stay on topic. You just got a minimal portion and you make it grow for having some point to attack, but it’s useless to make you understand it.

Jongi, really I can’t help thinking you just are trolling ‘cos you don’t stop repeating same arguments again and again. lol

Now tell this to Jongi, who still keeps same arguments without getting the point… maybe ‘cos he doesn’t want.

Jongi.7612:

What do you need another fork for?

Because I’m paying for a lunch where the service includes this fork, maybe?

Rai.9625:

That is not how it is: You can have more than one Account.
But I admit it sucks that the offer is not the best for me. I can decide between getting a new banana and apple… and save my old banana too, but I can only make one banana apple smoothie.
And I would prefer my ripened Banana for that, but wouldn’t get an additional banana for it. Such is the nature of promotional gifts.

“And I would prefer my ripened Banana for that, but wouldn’t get an additional banana for it.” There, theeeere is the point, Rai. You got it. This is why ‘Vets’ are mad, and why ‘Vets’ protest.

Jongi.7612:

Cambeleg.7632:

Rai.9625:

You just said you wanted to be treated the same/get the same. That’s all. And THAT you can get, new acc incl. exp.
That is what newcomers get. They don’t get an existing Acc and then the Exp…

You said the exactly same thing as me and saying I’m wrong. That is quite illogical for me. New player gets new acc, new gw2 new hot. You can too. That is all.

True is, it isn’t preferred and I can understand that.

Though you ‘demand’ or ‘wish’ to get something similar, but not the same. You want something else as a bonus, promotion, because you are a veteran, no?

I’ll explain it easier, Rai:

You have a [Banana] since two years ago. Anet comes and offers a bundle that contains an [Apple] and a [Banana] for same price that you bought your old [Banana]. You want the [Apple], but you can’t buy it without the [Banana], so you tell “good, in this case, I want the full pack”. Anet replies then: “if you already had a [Banana], you only get the [Apple]. You’ll have to save the old [Banana] and grab the new [Banana] since the [Apple] is bound”.

Now tell me, Rai: only ‘cos you already had a [Banana] since two years ago, you have less right to have a new [Banana] ’cos it’s included in the bundle? Or if you don’t get the [Banana], you’d not ask for something with equal value as compensation for this loss in the purchase?

It isnt the same thing. This is like you need a fork to eat this pasta, if you dont have your own fork one with be provided for you.

And if I already have a fork? This means I don’t have right to have another fork?

Rai.9625:

You just said you wanted to be treated the same/get the same. That’s all. And THAT you can get, new acc incl. exp.
That is what newcomers get. They don’t get an existing Acc and then the Exp…

You said the exactly same thing as me and saying I’m wrong. That is quite illogical for me. New player gets new acc, new gw2 new hot. You can too. That is all.

True is, it isn’t preferred and I can understand that.

Though you ‘demand’ or ‘wish’ to get something similar, but not the same. You want something else as a bonus, promotion, because you are a veteran, no?

I’ll explain it easier, Rai:

You have a [Banana] since two years ago. Anet comes and offers a bundle that contains an [Apple] and a [Banana] for same price that you bought your old [Banana]. You want the [Apple], but you can’t buy it without the [Banana], so you tell “good, in this case, I want the full pack”. Anet replies then: “if you already had a [Banana], you only get the [Apple]. You’ll have to save the old [Banana] and grab the new [Banana] since the [Apple] is bound”.

Now tell me, Rai: only ‘cos you already had a [Banana] since two years ago, you have less right to have a new [Banana] ’cos it’s included in the bundle? Or if you don’t get the [Banana], you’d not ask for something with equal value as compensation for this loss in the purchase?

Again, not for repeating like a parrot same arguments, protests that ‘vet’ players consider justified will stop. Its really just that simple.

Rai.9625:

I could quote myself… but KISS:
You can get the exact same. A brand new account including GW2 base Game and the Expansion on top. That is the exact same a new player gets and you can too.

Wrong, Rai. Since HoT binds to your account, if you want the core ‘for free’, you must open a new account and to start again, ’cos your HoT copy will be bound to this new account, not to your old one.

Maybe you’re fine being forced to start again, but many people isn’t.