Guild Wars 2

The real question everyone is wondering if it this is taking us down the wrong road for pvp/wvw. What if they aloud us to tech to kill thieves that we do way more damage if they are stealthed or just as they are coming out of stealth,allow us to tech for more damage against a mesmer that increases depeinding on the amount of illusions they have out,same for necro’s minions, and that is basically what they are doing to guardians. They are taking something that we RELY on and our one clear advantage and making it a weakness… It is really hard to see what the devs are thinking…

I belive what the devs were trying to prevent was a “I WIN BUTTON”. Who wants to be in a WvW group and somebody pop wolf form for instance and be able to run in down 5 people in a group and run away with it. Sure it would be more fun for norn players but then they would have to buff all the other racial elite skills. Making all of them I WIN BUTTONS. They could be probably be buffed slightly but I wouldn’t take it to far.. That being said could they make it more useful in pve-dungeon while not making them all over the top Over powered in pvp-wvw?

They already nerfed guardians as I recall by lowering there hp down to an eles. Imagine a guardian with the base hp as a warrior lol. Warriors do have the most hard hitting moves in the game only a thief could really argue other wise. But what about all that ret that guardians put out? O you popped a 100b let me counter with stand your ground. And I do agree with you guys on one big things that warriors need more defense abilites. I mean seriously one move with your shield that just protects the warrior…. Sure the devs could argue that they have CC and banner of d/endure pain but that in no way compares to a guardians arsenal of defense slots,prot,ret,and regen that just stay on….

Asmodal.6489:

to OP: before you invest in crit damage you should invest in precision.
i really think rabid is the worst combination of stats for almost any profession. (i like to be enlightend otherwise)

seems like we have an awful lot of burn/CD usefulness discussion threads at the moment so i do not want to start another one here and just invite the naysayers to back their statements up with some evidance.

i do want to mention though that the only easy and constant burn competiton for guards is ele and only if they stay in fire which never happens (i dont think CD builds are that popular with eles anyways). Engis are close to none existent in pve (unfortunately) and i dont know how rangers are supposed to burn effectively without torch – their condition builds focus on bleed and poison.

Ya I know alot of people are hating on guardian burns atm. Which is one of the guardian primary ways of dealing damage. with the ring and virtue of justice which is almost always active.

Well the thought of my build was that that I could keep criting with sigil of earth and keep the bleeds on. Which also adds to the condition damage and along with the sigil that applies poison when I switch to that off hand weapon. So I can apply burning,bleeding,and poison. I have already invested alot of time on the gear lol. So should I completely scrap my idea and work on something differnt is my main question?

salameri.3768:

Vanthian.9267:

As someone who has put in 1000+ hours into a Warrior and around 300+ into Guardian: Don’t do yourself the disservice of choosing a Warrior over Guardian.

Guardians are better support/sustain for groups/self and are a better class overall in comparison to Warriors. Warriors only have high damage that will get them no where in high level FotM or in sPvP/tPvP. In fact, Warriors have no place outside of Hot join sPvP for a reason. The Warrior class is crippled by most conditions (weakness/cripple/chilled/blind are the major ones).

Where as the Guardian profession is a NEEDED part of any tPvP set up. It is rare for a high level tPvP team to roll without a Guardian. In PvE 30+ FotM it is also rare for a group to roll without a Guardian.

Now with that said, I do enjoy my Warrior greatly even though they are sub-par as a profession in comparison to the others. If you are looking for a effective profession that is needed and has great ability to do whatever you want in the game… go with the Guardian. Warrior is fun to see big numbers, but outside of that they offer very little.

Please note: The Guardian is at a disadvantage when in a ranged fight. That is the only weakness they suffer as a profession. Specter is okay, but that will not compete with a Ranger shortbow/longbow.

Hope that helps.

Sorry but I disagree. So I will start how you started your thread. Warriors also have support if they want. Ever heard of shouts and banners? Also what if the guardian your with is running dps build and cares nothing for support? Whilst guardian is “supporting” should not someone …ahem warriors….do the damage.

How are warriors crippled by conditions!!! LOL I eat them for dinner with mending and shake it off every 5-10 seconds between them. As far as “seeing big numbers” is it not nice seeing the enemies hp bar fall quicker? Not only can warriors do damage but we can survive it. Equip Knights gear with some crit dmg here and there and MAYBE a lil vit….we are machines. Go to Guardian Thread guardian troll.

I weighed them equally and I have to mostly agree with you. But guardians are built for support. Warriors do have banners/shouts but that takes away from other utilites that they need for CC /dps/survival buffs. And warrior defensive abilites are almost non-existent compared to a guardians. The warrior has a very good advantage in range, warriors naturally have more hp,and can apply bleeding like a machine. The guardian relies on virtues,ret,protection,regen, and all around buffs. Guardians do have nice aoes and condition removal but no real CC to speak of.. Which yet again a warrior has to give up utilites for condition removal that they need for that where it goes right along with mostly any guardian build. And guardians can run GS just fine in some cases it is more useful than warriors GS because of wrath and binding chains. The warrior has 100 blades which is most likely one of the most devastating moves in the game but you have to root your feet to use it. What really sets the warrior and guardian apart are burst vs virtues. If your running a GS you will most likely never use a burst skill as a warrior because you need all that adren. Now the warrior axe/we burst is the highest attack in the game TO MY OPINION. You don’t want to get hit by it. The Guardian virtues are useful free blocks,regen,and set enemies on fire. I am a fan of both and a warrior can beat a guardian and a guardian can beat a warrior. It just sounds like your a heavy warrior fan and thats fine my main is a warrior but I am really enjoying the Guardian atm.

Vanthian.9267:

As someone who has put in 1000+ hours into a Warrior and around 300+ into Guardian: Don’t do yourself the disservice of choosing a Warrior over Guardian.

Guardians are better support/sustain for groups/self and are a better class overall in comparison to Warriors. Warriors only have high damage that will get them no where in high level FotM or in sPvP/tPvP. In fact, Warriors have no place outside of Hot join sPvP for a reason. The Warrior class is crippled by most conditions (weakness/cripple/chilled/blind are the major ones).

Where as the Guardian profession is a NEEDED part of any tPvP set up. It is rare for a high level tPvP team to roll without a Guardian. In PvE 30+ FotM it is also rare for a group to roll without a Guardian.

Now with that said, I do enjoy my Warrior greatly even though they are sub-par as a profession in comparison to the others. If you are looking for a effective profession that is needed and has great ability to do whatever you want in the game… go with the Guardian. Warrior is fun to see big numbers, but outside of that they offer very little.

Please note: The Guardian is at a disadvantage when in a ranged fight. That is the only weakness they suffer as a profession. Specter is okay, but that will not compete with a Ranger shortbow/longbow.

Hope that helps.

Guardian’s have two weaknesses… Almost no range worth mentioning and only condition they can really apply is buring without sigils.. But I do agree warriors are loved in CoF but thats about the only dungeon that I belive requires them. Guardians have so many uses it is unreal.

There is a similar subject but I thought Id ask because my build is unique. I heard one of my guild members call it a rabid build when I brought it up. I am running GS,Sword/Shield ( with others in bag). Now I am stacking precision,toughness,and condition damage (kinda bad for guards but just wait and I was wondering power vs precsion. I have almost nothing invested in power and am focusing on crit damage and crit chance while holding condition damage should I invest in power rather ran precision(read rest before answering)? Now that being said I do have sigils that give bleeds on crits and a sigil on my off hands that gives poison on switch. And Runes of the forge on my armour for burning duration and toughness. Is there anything I could change or alter? Any advice would be great thank you.

Tough choice… I have both depends on what your play style/what you wanna do. A warrior does have some nice support with banners/shouts. Guardians can deal alot of dps with burning and retaliation. Guardians can constantly have healing,protection,or retaliation on depending on your build. If you want to know who would win in a fight equal ground.. The longer a fight drags on the more of an advantage a guardian has. Burst skills vs Guardian virtues I have to give it to the Guardian. Burst skills are almost useless depending on what build your running with a warrior unless your running axe/we. Guardians have alot of condition removal/boons and warriors have alot of CC compared to guardians. Warriors have almost no AOE if your running a GS build where a guardian always have symbols and slot skills that give you aoe’s. Warriors can have a good range attack with LB and rifle where the guardian has to use staff/scepter which are kinda lacking at the moment… Warriors are direct damage machines where guardians relay on using virtues,burning,and booning. Like I said it all depends on your play style but one profession isn’t really better than the other.

EDIT: Comparing defense abilites Guardian also gets it. Shield of the avenger,wall of reflextion ,and if your running a shield the absorbtion bubble that all protect allies. The warrior has one shield ability that allows him to block/reflect if you traited for it and it only protects the warrior.

Personal experince has shown me it is the group your in… I wouldn’t nail right on the head of the dungeon just being to hard… The new dungeon demands team work so pug groups that silently run threw it will most likely fail. AC p2 ghost eater try doing that without talking.

Reason behind it is they would rather carry a mesmer,warrior,or a guardian. The people you are referring to are elitist and I would take there word with a grain of salt. I run with rangers and engineers (which are in the same talk) and it is only speed run groups and elitist that won’t take you.

Lolita.7146:

From my personal experience, I used to be kicked a dozen times for No Zerker gears, No Ascended gears, No Agony Resistance, or lack of skills. People did even kick me at the very end of Jade Maw boss (Fotm) after 90-minute-live-and-die-together because they found me suck. Anyway, that was the past.

Now i learned: In order to be the boss in this game, you have to be extremely serious. I learned to become Group leader all the time. I kicked out every single noob/newbie or anyone with less than 1000 Achievement points that i meet in group. Running CoF without Zerker gears? Instant Kick. Fotm level 15 without AR? Instant Kick. You are Rangers? Instant kick, too. Less than 5 exotic gears? Yay probably i will kick ya.

During 8 hours of playing GW2 everyday, almost everything i said is: Gear check pls. People may blame me for being harsh, but do they know why i am harsh and who taught me to be harsh? =/

Surely I am not the only one outthere. Perfectionism is a contagion. It is spreading and will keep spreading unless the authority do something. Remember the time when no one knew about CoF speed run, Fotm was not yet released, Dragons with few people and no Overflow, no lagging like hell. It WAS so much fun.

I wonder when they release new contents in the future, what will those thirst-for-gold (including me probably) become. Monster maybe?

So this is the question: Is the community getting less enjoyable? What do you think?

P/s: Some nice guys asked me: You can decide not to be a perfectionist, can’t you? I say yes. But the fact is more and more people are becoming like me, while it is true that being perfectionist gives you much much more golds in Dugeon runs. I myself realized I don’t want to be perfectionist at all, but I want golds, too.

Some trivial thoughts of mine

I’ve meet people the exact same as you lol. Your not a “perfectionist” you are an Elitist. And that is the correct term for it. I have a warrior fully decked in zerker gear full exotics and I don’t tend to play in groups like yours. I find it more mind numbing and soul stabbing than anything because I don’t like to see somebody that is trying to learn and grow in the game being called a scrub,newb,or just getting kicked late dungeon for one mistake. It makes me hate the game along with myself when I am in a group that does that. I have been playing with alot of newbs in CM and after running each dungeon path once I have it memorized and can lead/teach people how to run it. Kicking someone from lack of gear/experince is truely demoralizing to them and it might make them quit the game or that dungeon all together. I honestly feel sorry for you because it sounds like the game isn’t fun for you anymore it sounds like a job.

Leo that is pretty interesting. If all the bosses were the same level…. Bloody Victioria CM would win everytime with her insta kill lol. But other than that I would say Rumbulus would win invulnrablity and such.

The best team I have ever had we ran it with was a thief,2 guardians,1 warrior,and a mesmer. We ran the whole of P3 fairly easily without exploits and only whiped once on the final boss and it was from 3 party members getting knocked into the lava. We didn’t have enough dps to finish it without the whole party so we decided to reset and we got it on the very next try. Now that being said that was the best team I have ever had and all other teams I have been in have struggled or unable to get past the Flame legion waves which could be counted down to everyone running glass cannons and no survivability. You should make a lil more tanky class before attempting p3 or be willing to switch armour for the endurance fest which is that wave part.

All the dungeons provide a unique challenge and all paths are differnt but there seems to be a theme now that people only want to run the easiest/quickest. I promise if we could look at the data rightnow CoF P1 is probably being ran atleast 80X more than any other dungeon and any two paths combined. Me personally I have been looking at CM for awhile and I couldn’t really find a group to run it but I am about to start investing alot of time in it if I can :/

Ioflux.4369:

Croatoan.8426:

So should the devs take a look at lupi and see what makes him fun and try to apply that in a unique way to the other dungeons?

Yes, but then you’d have an outcry of how dungeons will take way too long and are way too hard now that you can no longer mash your face on your keyboard for tokens.

lol I have argued that point before severly. But after I sat down and ran AC a few times with a good team I relized it wasn’t the dungeon it was the group… People jump to conclusions (Croatoan<being one) that the dungeon is just to hard when in fact the team isn’t bringing the right skills,booning,condition removing,and etc. You have to help your teammates you can not just bring stuff to just boon yourself. My guardian is a support machine and that is what I built it for when you have a team that communicates and works together and not like (screw that nub he went down I’ll solo all 20 guys myself).CC and some form of healing is really great for AC now.

BUT lets keep this on subject I am leaning toward a funner experince now.

So should the devs take a look at lupi and see what makes him fun and try to apply that in a unique way to the other dungeons?

Writetyper.1985:

Giganticus Lupicus. Feels like he’s out of an action game instead of just another faceroll damage sponge. Dynamic. Requires personal skill far more than build min/maxing.

I don’t like the idea of P1 in ethos, but in practice even that is fun.

Lupi is getting alot of fans in this game lol. I would say the new Ghost Eater from AC p2 would be up there as well if it wasn’t for all the bugs. The new mechanics demand teamwork. And I know what you mean by just a damage sponge… If they would rework the boss from CoF P3 that would be a really fun encounter and challenging rather than just dodging and attacking for 30 mins trying to wear his health down. That is one reason not alot of people will run that path is he takes so long to kill but they did make the fight fun and keep you involved rather than just zoneing out auto attacking while watching tv lol.

Flipside.4152:

Giganticus lupicus bar none. He is probably the only boss that you need to prepare for. He is tough but the feeling after you down this big guy is the best.

I have been wanting to run that dungeon just to fight him everyone always has good things to say about that(and I hope they don’t nerf him before I get to). I got busy trying to get my CoF armour for my War and by the time I did I started on my Guardian alt. That and the male heavy armour on Arah looks kinda… ehh. lol

Title says it all instead of debating which bosses should be nerfed/buff say your favorite and why it is fun to fight it. My favorite is the Flame Effrigy from CoF P1. No it’s not because it can be easy but by the mechanics he uses crystals,flame blast,and his homing flame attacks. It brings dodging,dps,and timing all into one battle without having to worry about adds.It also keeps you moving and focused instead of just standing there auto attacking.CoF p1 is probably the best dungeon to learn the aspects of dungeon running now(Which I have no idea why it is a late game dungeon).I am not talking about a speed farm run but just a group of pugs runnin the dungeon for fun.

This is not my vid I did not solo Lupi but this guy did and all the congratz should go to him/her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cohvCv0Z-34

Ya I still haven’t really ran into any groups that actually talked… And the ones that did didn’t really have anything nice to say or contribute to the team…. I keep getting groups that only want to run P2 and they all fail horribly at Ghost Eater. I have to target the slims he drops and tell them what to do all while I am kiting him throwig up heals and prot to keep the team from whiping. I admit if there was more communaction those runs would have probably went by alot smoother. I try not to lead but I will if nobody else wants to step up because I know there are alot more experinced players than me and I don’t want to make a Croatoan<nub mistake and whipe the whole team. I think my main issue is not with dungeon itself it is with the groups I get in and I try not to be critical about it I am guardian running sword/shield and staff and I am busy looking at players health,conditions,and where everyone is located trying to throw up as much healing,protection,and condition removal as possible not to mention putting up reflextion and absorb bubble for main boss attacks to block them and that is alot of micro to do while trying to direct the team on what to do while still trying to burn bosses health and adds down. And don’t get me wrong I like to be the hero more than I like being stuck with abunch of elitist that all they wanna do is complain and moan about how bad everyone is during a fight.

I am sure by now everyone is aware of the new AC and the new challenges it brings. It has also sturred up alot of emotions on the fourms of what this is leading to “I have been apart of the debate”. But why can’t there be a mid ground between people wanting a bigger challenge and the casual player that wants a more calm dungeon atmosphere without really taking away from either??? Why not have Story mode, Explorable mode, As well as an Elite Explorable mode that raises difficulty and the challenge that people will run to allowing them to play for higher rewards/bigger chests. It would settle the arguement and allow everyone to enjoy what they want.

I wish a dev would listen to me when I say this and get there opinion on it… BUT why can’t there be an Elite Explorable Mode??? Increasing difficulty and reward for running the elite but leaving the regular explore mode alone for people to grow in and experince it in a more calm matter without the risk of getting facerolled every 5 secs plus no elitism and a casual player could easily slowly grind toward the armour they want. It would make both sides happy and offer another UNIQUE challenge to the game. I think I am actually going to post this as another topic.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

NotOneToRidicule.2340:

My guild just took 4 lvl 80’s and a lvl 63 into AC explorer path 1 and could not get past the Champion Spider (mostly because of the little spiders)…after running this dungeon many, many times. Wait, before you say we’re built wrong…we’re all accomplished in PVE (with 100% world completion, daily farming in Orr, and able to hold our own in WvW).

IMO, it has become way too hard since the latest patch on February 26th. I feel that this game is becoming too frustrating. Since there are other options in the MMO world, I’m thinking of branching out and trying others because of this. Is anyone else feeling as frustrated as I am?

Yeah, well that’s your problem. There shouldn’t really be any mini-spiders around when you fight the Champion. They should only last maybe 30 seconds into the fight before you focus them down and start hitting the boss.

Plus they don’t even hit that hard. I run that on my glass cannon Ranger and they have itty bitty venom spits. Stark contrast to any schmub in SE hitting me for 2k.

Ughh they changed the mini spiders… They pack a punch in numbers now…

After arguing on both sides in the past I can tell you each sides point of view and arguement.From the people that like the new AC.
1.You crave a challenge and more content in the game. You have most likely leveled and geared more than one character and your wanting more to do in the game.

2.It flat out keeps things fresh and brings back the learning experince.

People that don’t like the new change
1.Farmers have to go to CoF p1 now. Which I was fine with that because I never farmed AC.

2.People are scared they are going to do this to all dungeons and make it a nightmare to grind for the armour set/skin that they want.

3. People are worried this will kill the dungeon/make it an elitist nightmare (which btw it is already showing signs of doing.) Not even half the people that were running it pre patch are running it now. And I looked on Gw2lfg earlier and requirements for nearly every single AC ad on there was be experinced and be lvl 80 no newbs/whipes/or going down repeatably or kick. Elitism…

4.Increase time to complete the dungeon thus making it longer to level,reduced reward (actually you could run old ac paths in half the time you can now),and the frustration that goes along with pugging.

5. Worried it will scare new players off from this content. If you have horrible experinces in the first dungeon what do you think a new player is gonna feel about higher leveled dungeons???

Anet I belive said ( don’t shoot me if I am wrong) but they were trying to inspire people to go out and explore the world more. Thus trying to kill AC farmers/grinders. And if that is the case we should see a big CoF buff in the near future.

Kanako Davis.5364:

If i am the guy you wont reply to then let me tell you this. I don’t care about glass cannon. I just think that you should not run around with 1 build and expect it to work everywhere and then blame the game to be too hard if it does not work out.

READ the posts… I was arguing with a guy that said you can run glass cannon solo threw ac. The whole reason glass cannons got brought into this is because I was proving a point to someone on here that my level 39 tanky guardian wasn’t good enough to run with this group of 80s so they made me get off of my alt and on my main warrior or KICK that i use for CoF runs even after I told them I will most likely fail with it.

Jabiacas Horologium- I am inclined to agree with you about most of that but I will still hold my opinion about increasing the reward.. Otherwise people will just move to differnt dungeons. And as for what happened to that group you were helping… Sounds like a group of self appointed elitists. “We can’t be doing bad lets kick this other guy so we can get somebody else more experinced so we can play on easy mode.” I hate when that happens,a pug sticks it out and helps them get threw the dungeon then they kick him before he can even get the reward?? That is messed up…

Im not even responding to the guy that asked me about my glass cannon I’ve answered that like 8 times and I don’t want to get in another arguement off subject.

Spekingur.1062:

Hobocop.1508:

Spekingur.1062:

Howling King. (Path 1 Boss) It is lacking the fun factor. Also, why is fire involved?

Because the narrative of the entire path revolves around Hodgins rebuilding magical flaming scepters because they might be useful in handling what he deems as the most pressing threat to the Priory expedition. And now they are useful (he’s the one creating those fires), and the events preceding the final boss actually have relevance and appropriate context.

Your suggestion basically changes it back to being too similar to Colossus Rumblus.

Ah, that explains it. Thank you. My suggestion was just based on the name of the boss and imagining what a creature with powerful howling could do.

@CryxTryx You automatically go to that, don’t you? Accusing people of wanting everything easier. You complained about a lack of suggestions and I gave some. You then complain about those suggestions. There is obviously some amount of dislike to the changes of AC within the community and all you are doing is calling those who don’t like the changes crybabies without providing any compromising suggestions for them. I have already said that I liked most of the changes in AC and only saw a few faults. But because you are so intent on being a brickwall you have it in your mind that I want it all easypie. Forums are for discussing things which I thought we were doing but you basically answer each suggestion with “nuh-huh, that’s just because you want easy mode” rather than actually discussing it. You seem to be seeking confirmation of your own “genius” and try to shoot everyone else down that has a different opinion from yours.

@Kanako Because it is not obvious what to do. We found out what to do by accident on our first try, if we had not we would have wiped more often. It is very easy to wipe in that room if you don’t know what to do. I don’t know if Hodgins ever mentions what he is going to do (creating fire, killing adds) – perhaps that’s something he should do. If he communicated such it wouldn’t be as confusing.
The Spider Queen herself isn’t much of a challenge. It’s the hatchlings that are in the same room. You basically have three things going on in that room. Gargoyles, hatchlings and Spider Queen. The fight with the Spider Queen alone just isn’t that challenging or fun. Her venom bites harder now, she seems to throw it out more often and over a wider area. As I said before, maybe it’s okay she’s like that since she is the first boss. IMO it’s the hatchlings that might need a closer look.

I already said cryx is just on here trolling lol… And I agree with you about the hatchling adds never thought of that.. Ghost Eater should be the first thing they take a look at because the fight can drag on for a long time because he bugs and won’t move from being stuck. I noticed he bugs more often right after he goes back to his ghost form. So we sit there and wait forever for the trap to respawn… Idk does he bug more when he actually makes contact with the trap?

Hobocop.1508:

And, again, that’s not a problem with dungeon design itself, but inflexible players. Barring bugs, nothing in the new AC is broken or over-the-top difficult assuming players are willing to be flexible with their options. The ‘glass cannon’ Warrior build is tailor-made for a very specific set of situations in one dungeon path, and taking that outside of that very specific area creates problems.

My entire point the whole time.. I wasn’t hating on Glass Cannons it is just not the best thing to bring to AC. Thankyou

Watch out I have been debating this all day and anyone that thinks it’s to hard is a nub or you should “enjoy other aspects of the game since your not skilled enough”. I feel your pain I had that happen earlier. What was in your group? Professions, glass cannons,and that type of stuff? Did you take out statues first? Did you avoid circles of death on the floor? Did you avoid her web spray? Maybe we can figure out what went wrong.

WonderfulCT.6278:

@Croatoan there are solo videos showing how the spider can easily be beaten. I myself made one for fun. I don’t get where your problems with the spider stem from and shake it off works fine for the boss as usually you only need to remove poision.

I honestly don’t get what part of the dungeon is so hard now.

Ok… You misunderstood the whole point… The spider was an EXAMPLE and sorry can’t youtube anything. Whole limtied internet and all. You sure they were using a glass cannon?? And you get caught in her web spray once your dead if your running a glass cannon war. I know she ganked me with it the first time I ran it. And I ran a group with 3 other glass cannon wars earlier and they died before me after I rezed them so I don’t get what your point is? Sorry have to edit my point BEING it is easier to run a dps/survival build rather than a pure glass cannon. So much stuff in AC that can kill you with little effort. If your running a glass cannon war you are just making your life harder. That is my whole point and the fact you are so determined to defend glass cannons in a dungeon that isn’t really ment for them says something in its self. Honestly what do you need it for?? Mob control and aoe abilites are so much more useful in AC. Id rather carry axe/shield and a axe/mace than gs with a heavier build than a glass cannon. You could help your group out so much more than just running a straight glass cannon.

Jabiacas Horologium.4976:

95% or not, some of the people posted on this segment to say that they are willing to be helpful and that is something, it means not all people are self centered into the elitist mentality. Personally, I don’t get it that people only want to farm armor in a game where one set is ~ to the next as long as you get the stats you want. From there it becomes about skins or just the plain fun of doing dungeons, or well they are farming gold which makes more sense. It seems that people who want to farm dungeons quickly for what ever reason no longer really even find it fun, it becomes a job at that point. It is easy to avoid elitist grouping for me, for one I don’t use gw2lfg.com, I stand at the instance and ask on map, though I will admit, the numbers have lessened quite a bit at the gates in the last week, what once took a couple of minutes, is now taking at times up to 15 minutes. I don’t find anything wrong with the new revision other than some of the bugs that still need to be worked out, I do realize that a lot of people do, whether their reasons be difficulty or laziness of relearning what they once knew, or their tolerance to the bugs. And, the numbers at the gate reflect the annoyances people are having.

The Ghost Eater stuck bug is one that is reoccurring, they tried to patch it once on information that was given to them through the general public. What I see him getting stuck on is not the traps, though sometimes it happens when he is at a trap, but it also happens in the middle of the dance floor when he is not near a trap. I see it happening when he spawns his adds. It can be worked around for the time being by using pull or knock powers on him, if you can move him an inch he becomes free to move again. Hopefully they will get it fixed properly in time.

I don’t know if you misunderstood my intentions or about my gripe… I don’t want the dungeon to die/turn into an elitist nightmare. I admire the work they put into it but it is making it difficult for new people to the dungeon to find groups that are willing to teach and have the patients to. If you have a sub 80 alt and only using map/guild chat in my server your gonna be there for awhile. So ty whoever made gw2lfg lol. My other gripe is that they made the paths longer/harder without really increasing the rewards you get for completeing it. If it takes twice as long and is atleast 3 times harder shouldn’t there be a reward increase to make players want to play it more? Its all the risks with the same reward.

Hobocop.1508:

I said no such thing. Only debunking your statement that ‘glass cannon’ warriors have no way to clear conditions, which is 100% false.

Even with my tanky DPS build, I can’t be in the poison AoE for much longer than a few seconds, so I do the sensible thing of stopping damage and getting out of the poison before clearing conditions, then WAIT for the right moment before going back in. Not difficult to do. Either spin out with GS 3, or detarget and use GS 5, then use whichever one you didn’t use to get out to run back in when its safe. It’s not a race like CoF 1 has turned into, sorry to say.

I never said they couldn’t I was stating if you are running a true glass cannon what your slots should be. And I agree with the CoF statement that is prob going to be Anets next dungeon to upgrade. But a warriors condition clearing is very limited and you have to sacrifice a slot spot to put one in there. And it’s not hard at all to accidentally run over (Example the spiders little kill circles on the floor) if you don’t have her pinned against the wall and are in a chase/run scenario. Thats why it is a good reason to carry a guardian your group if you are running AC for the boon/ condition control. And that is where my statement origanlly came from was I was in a group with my 39 guardian specifically traited and sloted to keep my team up and dealing out alot of damage without having to constantly break to heal. But the team made me get off my 39 and get on my glass cannon war which I had made for CoF p1 farming. Warriors bring alot of good group buffs,direct damage,and (if traited right) the best tank profession in the game. I was stating that for AC it would be better to bring a mix between survival and dps to the dungeon instead of just a straight up glass cannon and for some reason that really offended you. And your right its not CoF speed run therefor you shouldn’t trait/gear/slot your warrior as such. And I told that group that is what my warrior was made for and they didn’t care as long as it was a 80 and I warned them my survival was horrible. It was all just a point I was making for how hard it is for nubs and pugs joining groups in dungeons when the difficulty is raised to that level. People would rather have you use a glass cannon that is in no way shape or form made for that dungeon and give up your sub80 alt that is built for it just so they can have another 80 on there team.

Hobo in order to be a true glass cannon you need to run For Great Justice,A banner that no other war is carrying,and frenzy. or switch frenzy for signet of might/furry. A single slot skill that removes a few conditions every 30-40 secs isn’t going to help much if at all.AC P2 for instance spider can stack some nasty poison on you and cover the floor in it. You pop it once and get it on you again you might as well just sit there and die or you can take the ac mesmers that can sit there and put on every condition in the game. If you want to be able to survive stick with a medium build or a heavy build. But don’t sit there tell me you can freaking tank/easily survive with a glass cannon warrior when I know for a fact that you can’t.You are totally relaying on team mates to help you rally,keep conditions off,give you protection,and regen. Endurance has to run out at some point unless you wanna carry the signet to keep dodging and warriors have no real quick escapes other than the whirling attack,where a mesmer can break stun/escape all in one skill and actually get away with running a glass cannon.

Jabiacas you nailed it on the head. And ya if I were actually wanting to run the dungeon for my own reasons I woulda lol’d them and left when they told me to get on my 80. But I was trying to prove a point to these guys why nubs have so many issues with this dungeon and finding decent groups. According to ALOT of people on this fourm post apperently 95% of all groups will take you under there wing and show you everything and give you multiple chances which I know is a load of bull. And my whole point of posting on here increasing difficulty like this breeds elitism,must be experinced and if you go down you get kicked(i rolled my eyes at that post) and lvl 80 requirement to just get in a group. I looked on GW2lfg for a group earlier and there were 2 out of 25 posts that allowed people under 80. I was lucky enough to find a group and we ran threw p2 without a big hitch other than ghost eater refusing to move off of a trap after we activated it….

WonderfulCT.6278:

Croatoan.8426:

lcpdragonslayer.7895:

@Croatoan you should have told them that you have never run AC before then and said you needed guidance. You got on your glass cannon warrior and said you have it specced for CoF, not AC. Everyone would assume you know the AC mechanics since you haven’t specced for it. Why then would anyone explain to you how AC works if you clearly know how to run AC?

Also, you’ve just not been in the right groups. I’ve acted as a tour guide for over 100 parties for AC, CM, TA, CoF and FotM. Just because you’ve always ended up in noncommunicative PuGs doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.

I know the old AC and have ran the new AC a few times. I know how to run it and the whole point of me telling them I was on my Glass Cannon war was to express the fact that I was basically telling them I wasn’t going to be able to tank or have any survival what so ever which btw is terrible for the new AC. And I am happy there are people like you out there I wish I could have ever found a group that was willing to teach me how to run it but I learned from personal experince. First time I ran the new AC and I did tell them I never ran it before,the giant spider instant ganked me because I didn’t know they buffed that dang web attack and nobody bothered to tell me about it.

What proof do you have that glass cannons are worse in AC? They kill breeders almost instantly, spider boss has very limited attacks capable of hitting the player, the scavengers don’t insta-kill anymore. Ghost eater has a short window for attacking, Colossus will likely kill players if they run out of things to stop the rocks with so killing it fast helps.

The web attack is not buffed its actually worse because it uses it even though its not in range. It’s a downgrade imo.

I would be lying if I said I never die or go down, in fact I do go down more than on my alts but the dps more than makes up for it, and in most encounters I will not go down more than my teammates. Also sometimes less.

This is one arguement you won’t win lol. A true glass cannon war has no way to rip conditions off, The spider web attack (if it hits) has enough dps to basically one shot my war,along with every boss in the dungeon has one shot attacks to a glass cannon but they are easily dodgable if you have the endurance. And I did say I was the last in the group alive in another post. The OTHER glass cannon wars in the group and there were 3 of them bite it before I did. Gravlings bleeds will knock a glass cannon war down in no time flat not to mention if you get “kicked” by one of there new abilites and get swarmed before you get up = a pretty quick painful death but 90% of the time you can rally thow. I have alot easier time with my tanky guardian build than my glass cannon war. You do need atleast some survival in this dungeon which isn’t a pure glass cannon or you will go down alot and while you are down that dps = nothing to help your team.

WonderfulCT.6278:

Croatoan.8426:

Ok to all you New AC lovers. I just ran AC with a random group. I decided I was going to do whatever they wanted/there strat no arguement no fuss. After a few mins of looking I found the group I was looking for they said get off your 39 and on a 80 or KICK. I said ok and got on my War that was spec’d for CoF not AC and I said that,they didn’t care. Skipped the borrows with 2 of them and 2 stayed behind at the starter burow. They whipped twice trying to kill it instead of skipping. “I was laughing”. Everyone died on spider queen in about 20 secs. So rather than have 3 wars,1 guard,and a ele they had 4 glass cannon wars and a ele. My guardian would have been much better suited for that dungeon/group because that is what I have him spec’d for to boon and keep the team alive, my warrior on the other hand is designed for a CoF p1 4 wars and 1 mes build to burn bosses down as fast as possible . Needless to say I felt no reason to stay in the group or give any effort after the first whipe I knew it was a fail team because nobody even tried helping the one nub we had that was screaming he didn’t know what to do. I felt bad and wanted to help him but I was there soley as a follower and didnt want to take the role as a leader. This is the type of stuff the new AC is inspiring and you are all defending it??

This post doesn’t make much sense. You intentionally found a group full of people you knew were not very good (or as good as you feel you are which seems to be very considering that in your post you imply that you find the dungeon content easy), then next you intentionally do not take a leadership role even though you appear to be the most experienced. Next you do not inform your team that they should skip burrows.

I myself have had a team wipe on the spider queen and proceeded to solo it myself (this was on my glass cannon war which btw I’ve done all 3 paths on and never failed yet). When I have a team where I know some people do not know what to do if I can I help them. A lot of groups do not talk which is ok but communication can be an essential part of dungeoneering. If you had intended not to help your team at all from the start do them a favour by not joining it so they can get someone who can.

Now the new dungeon can be more difficult at times but through communication and perseverence I have managed to finish all my runs and each path even before I knew what the changes were, also my teammates would inform me of the boss changes before we started so we all had an equal chance of helping to win.

I don’t even think I should respond to this… I have explained my actions and reasons for doing what I was doing. And I did communicate but since the team condemned my guard that I spec’d for that dungeon and acted like they knew how to run it blind folded I was just going to follow there directions and what they were doing. Because I didn’t steep up and call them nubs and tell them that there way was wrong I am a horrible person by your logic. The group I was looking for was group that knew eachother and acted like they knew how to run it. (There was one other nub in the group besides myself that I didn’t know about till he whiped on the burrows). Then I laughed at half the group standing there waiting for him. One person in the group was trying to help him and whiped along with him on the burrows. I admit I should have said I was a nub at the start to make the experiment more legit but there was no point after the other person admited he had no idea what he was doing. I didn’t do anything to hinder the group and tried to help as best as I could without attempting to assume leadership.

lcpdragonslayer.7895:

@Croatoan you should have told them that you have never run AC before then and said you needed guidance. You got on your glass cannon warrior and said you have it specced for CoF, not AC. Everyone would assume you know the AC mechanics since you haven’t specced for it. Why then would anyone explain to you how AC works if you clearly know how to run AC?

Also, you’ve just not been in the right groups. I’ve acted as a tour guide for over 100 parties for AC, CM, TA, CoF and FotM. Just because you’ve always ended up in noncommunicative PuGs doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.

I know the old AC and have ran the new AC a few times. I know how to run it and the whole point of me telling them I was on my Glass Cannon war was to express the fact that I was basically telling them I wasn’t going to be able to tank or have any survival what so ever which btw is terrible for the new AC. And I am happy there are people like you out there I wish I could have ever found a group that was willing to teach me how to run it but I learned from personal experince. First time I ran the new AC and I did tell them I never ran it before,the giant spider instant ganked me because I didn’t know they buffed that dang web attack and nobody bothered to tell me about it.

CryxTryx.9208:

Croatoan.8426:

Ok to all you New AC lovers. I just ran AC with a random group. I decided I was going to do whatever they wanted/there strat no arguement no fuss. After a few mins of looking I found the group I was looking for they said get off your 39 and on a 80 or KICK. I said ok and got on my War that was spec’d for CoF not AC and I said that,they didn’t care. Skipped the borrows with 2 of them and 2 stayed behind at the starter burow. They whipped twice trying to kill it instead of skipping. “I was laughing”. Everyone died on spider queen in about 20 secs. So rather than have 3 wars,1 guard,and a ele they had 4 glass cannon wars and a ele. My guardian would have been much better suited for that dungeon/group because that is what I have him spec’d for to boon and keep the team alive, my warrior on the other hand is designed for a CoF p1 4 wars and 1 mes build to burn bosses down as fast as possible . Needless to say I felt no reason to stay in the group or give any effort after the first whipe I knew it was a fail team because nobody even tried helping the one nub we had that was screaming he didn’t know what to do. I felt bad and wanted to help him but I was there soley as a follower and didnt want to take the role as a leader. This is the type of stuff the new AC is inspiring and you are all defending it??

That group went in with a handicap as soon as they let you into the group. You went in there with a bad attitude from the start. ’Let’s just see how bad this is going to be and I am not going to help out at all.’

You admit to laughing when the people in your party are dying, you admit to not helping out a player who is saying he doesn’t know what to do.

They might as well went in there a man down because all you contributed was a negative attitude.

I’ll say it again. Content isn’t the problem here, it is attitude, and in this case, your attitude.

I didn’t know you were a mind reader dude???? Thats why I made sure each war was running a differnt banner,picked them up a number of times,and I was the last to die with a glass cannon. And as for not helping the nub I wanted to see what the guild/team that knew eachother was going to say to help him. And it was nothing you are basically saying I caused the whole team to whipe. I didn’t have a negative attitude I was laughing at the team that wouldn’t help him. Get your facts right troll.

Icpdragon I said I didn’t want to lead. I was there to pug and act as a newby. Cryx says pugs are good and willing to teach people how to play. I was wanting to see that for myself and it didn’tpan out. Swift I run CoF p1 with a Glass Cannon I know how to dodge and all mechanics of the game. I was even buffing the team/using warbanner to mass pick up while trying to stay on the offensive while running around. My prof set up was set up was to stay constantly on the offensive and not have to break combat to help team mates as I previously stated. The whole point of what I was doing was to see if I could find a group that would be willing to help new people. And a few of the people were from the same guild they just didn’t care to help new people.

If anyone is willing to run the New AC and show me how they teach new people to the paths and prove me wrong by showing me how much patients people have I am more than willing. That being said I won’t be dead weight I will keep prot/regen on the whole team as much as possible. I am just stating from personal experince that I haven’t meet a group yet that is willing to teach nubs the paths I have had to learn everything I know from every dungeon by watching experts and there play style and taking it from there. I haven’t had the luxury of anyone EVER teaching me how to run a path in any dungeon. The only reason I got in my dungeon team was I was experinced enough and knew how to run path with the right prof/spec for there group if I hadn’t been they would have kicked me more than likely. Send me a pm and a time along with name if anyone is up for it.

Ok to all you New AC lovers. I just ran AC with a random group. I decided I was going to do whatever they wanted/there strat no arguement no fuss. After a few mins of looking I found the group I was looking for they said get off your 39 and on a 80 or KICK. I said ok and got on my War that was spec’d for CoF not AC and I said that,they didn’t care. Skipped the borrows with 2 of them and 2 stayed behind at the starter burow. They whipped twice trying to kill it instead of skipping. “I was laughing”. Everyone died on spider queen in about 20 secs. So rather than have 3 wars,1 guard,and a ele they had 4 glass cannon wars and a ele. My guardian would have been much better suited for that dungeon/group because that is what I have him spec’d for to boon and keep the team alive, my warrior on the other hand is designed for a CoF p1 4 wars and 1 mes build to burn bosses down as fast as possible . Needless to say I felt no reason to stay in the group or give any effort after the first whipe I knew it was a fail team because nobody even tried helping the one nub we had that was screaming he didn’t know what to do. I felt bad and wanted to help him but I was there soley as a follower and didnt want to take the role as a leader. This is the type of stuff the new AC is inspiring and you are all defending it??

Cryx Sooo your a nub that explored the dungeons,without any experinced players,and you were a pro at it. Either your the best GW2 player on earth or your a lying troll. I’ll take the 2nd on that. And Spekin you made a better point than me. Its not fun to anyone atm other some of these people… The old AC was perfect the way it was it could’ve used some fixes here and there but this.. CoF is gonna be the most popular now.

Cryx you claim I want an easy mode?? I don’t I have been a long time supporter of increaseing cof p1 difficulty. We can face roll any boss in that dungeon in under a minute (minus p3 boss). Where I am getting at is how is new person supose to know and have the experince to know when to rip bleeds off his/her allies from gravelings? How is a new person supose to know to take out the statues before going for spiders?How is a nub supose to know about the new ghost eater mechanic? That is alot of trial and error if a team will tolerate you for that long. And this learning curve you keep speaking of is unfounded. What team that knows what they are doing is gonna whipe 2-5 times just so you can memorize a bosses moves? ?? I’ve never meet a pug group like that and I have kicked people from my party for less. A decent team might have the patients to explain it to you once and maybe point out what your doing wrong once or twice but after that KICK and pull somebody off of gw2lfg that knows what they are doing. People “like myself” don’t want to spend 50 mins in one path because something bugged or a tiny mistake was made and whiped the team and I hate having to kick but I don’t want to spend a hour in dungeon that was supose to be over 30 mins ago. I have had to quit p2 because ghost eater bugged and was perma invulnrable. If its not broke… WHY FIX IT? AC was perfectly fine the way it was and people did enjoy running it. The new AC is a pain to say the least and for that reason everyone I know is running to CoF. And it wasn’t my d team that rage quit never said it was it was some of my guildies. And they had to carry pugs because they couldnt get enough people to go. I never claimed it was to difficult for me I have ran all 3 paths, I have a full set of Dungeon gear on my main full exotics so yes I do grind.I can handle any difficulty I just don’t want a dungeon to die/turn into an elitist dungeon that you can never get a group for. But I can see why casual players will avoid this content and thats why I have said before there should be an “elite explore” mode, and that way it makes both sides happy. People that say make it harder are just wanting to kill farming and thats what it is about. Who is going to enjoy whiping 5-10 times and laugh about it and say lets try again if you are like that you are in a severe minority in the gaming world period and as well as getting the same rewards for a harder dungeon that takes a longer time to complete that puts you waaayyy far down there on that list. And my personal complaints are they made it harder/longer (no jokes intended) without really increasing the reward/ac tear increase and the dungeon to me is already showing alot of signs of losing people willing to run it multiple times or even at all. I have not “personally” heard anyone in la LFG AC any path since the patch.

^ What he said and I am one of those people posting. And my guildies live,breath, and eat dungeons for 8 hours straight… They won’t even run with me unless I am running my 80 everytime I ask I get an ehh answer but ANYWAY pro dungeon team that is use to running together agrees they messed up AC and far as I know my guild now refuses to run it. They tried it,said it was easy,rage quit 10 mins later. So all the people that say this dungeon is to hard to be “ENJOYABLE” are bad? And I find it hard to belive you find groups so quickly… New people tend not to know what to eat,how to trait,and what stats to stack on so they get a insta kick so I have to agree with Aegis on that one because 98% of the time the good groups will “BOOM” you because they want you to help there group not the whole group help you.. If you have had a good experince I hope you have a 1000 more but everyones point of view is differnt and people have different “expectations” of what a dungeon should be.

Very good points everyone. Yes I have ran it on my 80,Yes I am not a nub I have full exotic gear and CoF armour set for my war,I never said anything about learning curve or complained I didn’t know how to do it, Not all pugs/pug teams are good,never said anything about wanting an “easy mode”, and yes armour/traits are not completely effected by level scaling “lvl 5 takes a few secs to kill moa come back when your lvl 20 pretty much insta kill it”. My issues is that the dungeon skill level has been raised pretty high and doesn’t give much room for mistakes to make a team fail/whipe “unforgiving” and for instance when you have a team that doesn’t know the column trick where you lure all enemies into one spot to aoe them to death while repairing traps for ghost eater think its called loling them “sorry if I am wrong on name” it makes the dungeon alot harder. My learning curve for cof was simple I watch and learn I only had to run a path once to know exactly how everything is done and where enemies respawn. Issue I am having with AC is how hard it makes for randoms to jump in and enjoy it…. CoF is beautifully made and laid out its not impossibly hard, bosses and events are laid out perfectly where anyone can understand them. But for AC it’s hard to find a team that is going to have the patients to teach you. And I have craip luck with that. I think the game should be more casualy based and stuff like this is inspiring “elitism” and thats why I left WoW I was so disgusted with it. The whole “You can’t play with us because you don’t have such and such raid gear so your a scrub KICK”. I am perfectly aware of other ways to level wvw “I have a awesome active server for that”, world events,group events, and etc. Thats not solving the issue. And I don’t want my gear handed to me it would lose its value thats why I don’t like doing the character switch at the end it feels cheap and I feel like I am diminshing all the work I did but it might scare people from doing it. My main concern is for new players to the game. I don’t want anyone to feel how I felt when I joined WoW… Thats why I say have an “Elite Explorable Mode” Or “Ascended Exp mode” it would give players that really want that challenge and more and bigger rewards something to grind on and give casual players a chance to learn and grow into the harder dungeons instead of the devs having to juggle data to see what the craip will work for everyone lol.

Ok I ran AC pre patch with my 80 war. Now running it with my 35 Guardian… I asked in a previous post weather I should even attempt it or not and the strong theme of the topic was no. AC was a fun dungeon and I am going to list why it should return to the way it was.

1. AC has now went from a lvl 35 dungeon to a level 80 dungeon. Most groups will insta kick you if you are sub 80 and trying to level. They don’t want the task of dragging you threw a dungeon that has been revamped for lvl 80 characters.

2.Most teams are “pugs” and when you put more challenging tasks like the new Ghost eater,teams will have alot of difficulty doing perfect teamwork that have never played together before to stay alive/activate trap/burn him down. Basically making it a guild or friends dungeon that know each other and it is highly unfriendly to nubs/pug groups.

3.Anet is heading down a slippery slop which ends at all dungeons being lvl 80 to “provide more challenging experince”. Why not make a “Elite Explore” mode that is just for lvl 80’s in dungeons that allows them to play for more money/loot. Instead of taking it out on everyone in the game?

4.We understand dungeons are supose to be hard but seriously who wants to grind for 1200 tears to get the AC armour set “not including weapons” if one path takes 30 mins to run? That is alot of gameplay and that is if you have a good team.

5. Not everyone are farmers… I have a level 80 and I do enjoy the story but dungeons are one of the quickest funnest ways to level… I shoudn’t have to go out and "explore"the world multiple times.

Why not go to another dungeon you ask??? Well AC was the first dungeon I ran and I got caught up in CoF and I just now went back to it with my alt and it is over whelming to say the least.And I want the armour for my guardian. Not everyone has a group that is content to run it 50 times a day so please keep your elitism to yourselves.

Any thoughts?

Well we finished P1 and right after that patch lastnight we tried p2…. Highly disapointed…. The Ghost Eater was bugged out and we couldn’t finish the dungeon from him being perma invulnrable. My group rage quit and that was it for the night.

Heylo.4938:

This is pretty much how I level my alts from 35 to 55 at least. One run of AC can get you almost an entire level, about a gold, and 66ish tokens. I’ve been able to gear out a few of my alts in AC because of this.
Most PuGs will hate you, and I understate that. They will most likely kick you on site.

When I started running AC on my guardian at lvl 35, I was outlasting lvl 80s. You have to play smarter when you’re on a lower level. If you don’t think you can dodge, block, and kite when necessary, I’d suggest leveling with some map completion to learn your class a bit better.

Also, get a dungeon guild, or a guild with some friends. My guild will always take a sub80 on any dungeon that allows it. PuGs probably wont, unless you find a group that states they are accepting sub 80s. I happened across a few nice PuGs, but I always asked if it was okay for me to be sub80.

Personally, I prefer leveling in dungeons because it really causes you to learn your class. Good luck.

Ya I am going to try and run it tonite. I was worried with all the people hating new AC if people are even running it and if they are they might not be willing to run with a sub 80. I’ve been stocking up on xp boosters and I know dungeons are the fastest way to level and on top of that if you run one enough you basically get to cash out once you hit 80 and have a full set of exotic gear.

This might not be the best place to post this but I am not new to dungeons just wondering if it is worth trying it from lack of gear,slot skills,traits, runes,groups refusing to play with me cause my toon isn’t 80, dungeon time to complete will hurt me more in leveling than it will help, and w/e else I am forgetting? Or just wait for CM?

Well pretty much every dungeon is duable with pugs if they can think at all. Some people even solo dungeons. I would like for them to raise the difficulty thus raising the reward but that being said I have to agree with litchpin again eltisim is all over this game and it gets annoying to see people kicked without even a try,and It will probably only get worse with time ALOT worse if anet allows gear inspection.

Linchpin.8095:

For people just starting out and getting used to the game’s explorable dungeons even CoF isn’t a cakewalk the 1st few times and dungeons should have varied difficulty for that precise reason, so the player can gradually progress as he improves and gears up. Make everything too hard and people quit from frustration, make it all too easy they quit from boredom, having a variety of both works great though.

Exactly! You can please some but you can’t please them all. Farmers want it easier and people that run them for fun want more variety and difficulty. Best part about MMO’s is they are always changing and adding more content. In 2 years there might be 30 dungeons all with seperate paths or they might add paths to current dungeons. Personally I farmed for my tokens there are other ways of making gold in this game not spamming a dungeon 60 times a day will make you want to faceroll the key board.
And as for new players they can always find experinced players to teach them how to run it. Everyone starts out as a nub pug at some point or the other. And there are other options you can watch youtube videos and figure out for yourselves how to run the dungeon before attempting to group. This isn’t WoW where you have a dedicated tank,dps,and a healer you have to come up with strategies or use somebody elses. Every character is gifted with survival,dps,and healing how you spec your character is your own buisness but if you make a zerk and don’t expect to go down because the boss and mobs are gonna ignore you are very mistaken. The anet devs even gifted us with the ability to dodge attacks,they gave us quick escape abilites ,and if you don’t want to have a tanky class they even gave certain classes tons of kiting and control abilities.