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In our matchup against Vizunah (on FSP) we took a group-selfie on top of SM (an SM that we took at least 10-15 times on friday alone).
So viz, thanks for the loot and the bags, in 4 hours against you guys I died once, and that was a buffed lord in SM
So making this topic: #Selfie for epic selfies or selfies with a nice story, enjoy yourselfs
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Gj AG and Gandara for the cap. Suicided probably 5 times on those AC’s.
TY. But I think I died also about 5 times
It was out christmas-gift to you guys:
A second reset. Everything down to T0 without siege.
Was a fun fight, you guys had at least double our numbers (AG) so yeah, we double teamed. Although I have to say, we never spoke to eachother before it started. Its just seemed to happen.
But props to everyone, from every server for keep holding on. This was one of the most awesome takeovers I participated in.
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this matchup really is just a case of waking up in the morning and having to make up for the extreme night-capping that goes on.
Like yesterday, was fun flipping everything in Deso BL from T3 (fully sieged) to T1. Only didn’t do Garrison because Home and EB couldn’t handle themselfs
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I am full of respect to MS who were defending Hills on AG bl. Huge fights, excelent defence. Great matchup!
I agree, we fought hard over a T3 Hills saturdaynight. When I took over around 1 am cet we had a nice “blob” and we fought over hills for 3h23 min.
You guys withstood every wave we send, we got through outer every time but you pushed us back out. It was blob v blob, but it was awesome fights.
Some statistics, only from those last 3,5h:
Taking Hills T3 from you guys cost us:
- 29 omega golems
- 5 or 6 complete wipes
- about 35 superior rams
- tons of motivation speeches
- and my full next workweek due of sleep deprivation
at the end we had to kitten down inner from 75% with about 20-25 people because you had still 20-25??? people inside who were fighting our kitten off; You still have to explain me how you guys are able to siege up so fast after each wave (about 10 to 15 min between every wave?). That was insane and such a nice challenge.
Props for everyone who was in that fight, offensive and defensive, it was the most awesome battle in a very long time for me.
Don’t remember the guild involved but I love every single one of you, you guys make WvW awesome.
On a sidenote, decent fight on Millers BL this afternoon, sorry for breaking down the doors in garrison so often, nice of you to clean up so much after we passed by (or cleaning us up :-) ). Still glad we were able to reset all T3 stuff in there except garrison
Thanks, and don’t lose that fighting spirit you guys are the most fun I had in this whole league thingie.
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The whole reason this is not on the website is because “they’re” is just me and all my time is already going into answering everyone’s questions and creating new features for the website, heck I haven’t been able to raid for 2/3 weeks. Having to watch GvG videos of every match won’t fit my schedule :P.
And that’s why we love you (or at least I do )
Ok lot’s of work, great. Some reactions and questions.
Any rules on how interference is to be handled? Play-on? Draw?
I understood your question slightly wrong. I would suggest a restart of the game that has been interupted by other players then the guilds. That should be easier to controle. Players that interfere with a GvG who are not member of one of both guilds, will of course be killed by the guild that can kill him
Couple things to prevent these extreme cases.
1. Both guilds will agree on the starting time of the gvg by using the match up tick timer. " go on 9 minutes".
2. Every member of the opposing team must be further than 1.2k range of the enemy team untill the start of the gvg (ofc movement during the downtime is totally free).
3. Every member must be inside 1.2k radius of the commander before the start of the gvg. ( mark starting area that both starting areas?)
4. Tighter limit on the combat area. Instant disqualification of a player if fallen into water without enemy control. Same if gone past the second forest treeline (trunks), north side of the gvg area.Alot of the rules are irrelevant. Im just thinking extreme troll moments.
I will try to implement these suggestions. And I agree with the statement underneath them. Two reasons to write these rules down. If everybody would be honoust, there would be no need for them. And completely new GvG-guild will have a “good manners guide”, or something that helps them to start getting in the scene. Most veterans know these rules and take them for granted, but we need these veterans to help new guild on the right path. That’s why I need YOU.
As to the extended list of ideas from the OP. I think it just needs to be agreed between opponents tbh.
Imaging setting up a GvG now and after these rules. After this rules you can send: GvG / date / number of people / use rules on gw2gvg. Makes life more easy. But like said in OP, you don’t have to use them, they are here to help you.
A possible thought to this, instead of forcing a challenge for multiple reasons already brought up in the thread, instead make a challenge/accept history. Basically guild A has issued a 20v20 challenge to guild B and guild B declines the offer. Now the guild history of both guilds shows this record. This in no way punishes a guild with theoretical rating but instead challenges their reputation to stay active. If it would be possible and wouldn’t clutter the UI it may be nice to have a short 15/w (just an example) description for reasons ex. Driver was away, we do not 10v10, etc.
GREAT idea. I will ask Marty if something like this is possible. Just one thing. Do you have an idea how to solve the next situation: if a guild accepts the challenge on the site and doesn’t show up at the requested time? On the site there is no record of that. If you would place a “no-show” button, this could probably lead to abuse and big useless discussions. So any thoughts on this?
Matches need to speed up as well and teams taking 20 minutes between rounds has got to stop. I think a clock rule should be added as well. For example: If Team B is taking too long, Team A can notify them that they are being put on the clock. If Team B is not ready within 10 minutes of that point, the round is forfeit.
I will have a look on this. Again, this is for extreme situations, more the exception then the rule.
I hear a lot of pro and against shapechanging potions. I don’t want that decides the final rule, because I can follow and understand both sides of the story. On the other hand, I mostly play WvW (and so GvG) on highest performance, so it makes not a real difference to me. I know when I suggest a rule here, there will be people cheering for it and some will shoot me down for it.
The solution maybe lies in letting the guilds decide this one for their own, I don’t know.
any suggestions?
Last question that comes in mind: What to do with armor repairs? Atm defeated guilds get ressurected but when you die 5 times, your armor is getting down, which gives you also a snowball effect. Does a guild deserves to time to go repair?
Rules are indeed there to decide about extreem cases. If everyone did what common sense would suggest, there wouldn’t be any need for rules (like Sabul said). But people don’t.
I have a long day of work ahead, so no direct adjustments today, I do hope people keep suggesting, I really like the input so far.
Any rules on how interference is to be handled? Play-on? Draw?
Interference = losing that particular game. It’s then up to the guild leader to make sure his or her guild doesn’t do it again. We don’t have the ability to create judges, like some people already said in several posts, we have to rely on the honousty and honour of the guild(leader). I thought I read somewhere a post to give spectators a standard spot from where they really can’t interfere with the GvG. Maybe we should look into that. Any suggestions?
Can we get NFL style instant-replay?
You can always switch servers and start taping
While I appreciate your effort Elder, the problem I have with all this is that it seems convoluted on purpose, kind of like law or finances are… in the spirit of making it sound complex and imposing. Double edge sword, and really, all those paragraphs could be summarized in 3 or four lines. Wouldnt look as flashy tho, but to the rookies it is more appealing and reasonable.
If you really want to do this you gotta come up with a clean, easy and very short exposition. Keep it simple ppl.
My 2c, as always, no more no less. o/
I have no problem with all these reactions, I like the fact that there are people willing to contribute. I don’t mind rewrite these “rules” in another way, but there will always be loopholes. For example, 2e: “A game is won when one of both guilds wipes out the other guild or when the opposing guild leader forfeits the game”. What if they have 2 thieves who keep being in stealth and keep fighting or ressing. What if the guild leader doesn’t forfeit it because the rules say.
I know there is not one decent leader that would do that, but the possibilities are there. We all love GvG but to grow even more and attract even more guilds into it we should create a platform.
BTW, if anyone wanna help rewrite them, just give me a PM, I’m always open for help and suggestions.
General reply:
One of the reasons I would like to “install” the obligated GvG’s is because over time it will bring balance to the ladder. We are searching for a formula that will make sure that those matches will most likely happen between even/closely ranked guilds. This way the ladder will restore itself. Problem is that there aren’t enough guilds atm who registered. Guilds from Piken are with 12 / Vizunah only 2. This is thus an issue.
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This is a good call. I think 10s, 15s, 20s, 25s, and 30s should all be allowed. Heck, I wouldn’t even be opposed to allowing 5v5. 5v5 would probably need a different ladder though, and could theoretically be handled in sPvP.
5v5 is imho sPvP. Personally I’m not into 10v10 2 but I discussed these set of rules with some people already and we decided that taking out 10v10 would realy hurt the GvG scene because it excludes smaller less hardcore guilds.
On the other hand 30s are more about blobbing, not everyone has a computer that can play that kind of blobbing without lagfast and even less guilds will play that because of the numbers (I don’t know a lot of guilds who can pull that one off). 25s, we discussed it and same reasons as 30s come forth, little bit less though, but we are still a growing scene, so who knows what the future will bring. Besides, check the first rule, you can always adapt in mutual agreement
Why aren’t 10v10’s accepted?
It is, sorry slipped out between typing in word and posting on the forum
Why is there a limit at all? Also, did you miss something here: “c. If any player of either participating guilds, who is not included in agreed number of players, interferes with the GvG, that games”
Adapted, lols, my word is not nice 2 me
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Why aren’t 10v10’s accepted?
It is, sorry slipped out between typing in word and posting on the forum
One more space for me so I can adapt the 2 OP’s
EDIT 1: Addapted following rule:
Under NO CIRCUMSTANCE should stacks gained in a previous round be allowed to remain.
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Last point
This is something I’m checking out with the designer of GW2GvG, I do not know if it can be implemented but it would make the scene even more active, even for higher ranked guilds. I will not write this in the rules version yet because I do not know if this can be or should be implemented (I don’t know much about programming so I hope someone could find a solution).
On every reset the website http://www.gw2gvg.com will check which matchups have been made. Then it will determine which guilds are in each matchup.
From these guilds he will make a random selection so every guild will have at least 1 GvG it is compelled to participate in. Both guilds are linked to each other for that matchup and have to have a GvG that week. They can still choose how to play and when to play, etc. but this way you have an official GvG that week. I hear a lot of High-tier guilds complaining no one wants to accept their challenges, so this could be some sort of solution to activate the scene even more.
If a guild doesn’t accept the challenge on http://www.gw2gvg.com the opposing guild will get a bonus of some sort for accepting the challenge. If a guild fails to do his obligated GvG for 3 weeks (or something like that), it will be set on none active until the contact reactives it.
Guilds can still do friendly and/or official GvG if they want. Who am I to tell you can’t.
Please discuss in an orderly fashion – I know you can do it
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Oh btw, I agree that the EU scene is further ahead (thanks to RG and their legacy) but I enjoy the fact US is rapidly closing the gap. Would be awesome that in a few months some guilds from EU would cross to US and vice versa. Just for fun.
And one of the most important things on this thread: props to Agg for admiting their defeat. Since they were rank 1 they had lots to lose but they didn’t care anyways. Props for the real GvG spirit.
Just another day of FS WvW reporting (See Attachment).
P.S. Thanks FIRE for letting TUP fight us first (AoA, back at your spawn) instead of just rolling us over with your forces combined!
No problem at all, it’s our unwritten law to let other guilds smush with other guilds when there is 1 guild vs another guild. We only engage other guilds fighting when asked for help or there is multiple guilds on the enemy side.
So does most of all the other WvW raiding guilds on Aurora Glade aswell, unfortunately, not all guilds and servers share the same view as us others.
I second that. We had great 2 guild vs 2 guild fights last night in our BL.
Kale + PunK vs FIRE + VcY.
I never had the feeling on of both side blobbed, just 2 bataljons fighting and manoeuvering to get the upper hand. Great fights
Edit: Yup, thanks for the smush FIRE and VcY. Got an easy target from us today. Kalevala canceling today’s event. Cu all tomorrow.
To bad you left us all so soon
. Wasn’t that easy target actually, you guys put up a good fight.
Again guys, very nice discussion, good arguments pro and counter.
I know there are voices against setting up basic rules, but it is not our goal to regulate or ban everything. Just some basic stuff. Just like everyone else, I would love to see this grow and I feel it can only grow if you have enough freedom to explore the bounderies of the setup. I am, as we speak (or write ), trying to find out some stuff with Marty from gw2gvg, and writing a first draft of some general rules. Please don’t shoot me down for it, wait until the draft is finished, then you can kill me.
What WvW distincts of PvP is the fact we are free to get any build, any food any weapon in the game. This is a thing that should be preserved.
Yes I get the point of people saying Warbanners are less spectacular for the spectators, but it is a part of WvW and so it should be of GvG.
This is the fun factor in GvG: " YOU HAVE TO BE READY TO TAKE EVERYTHING". So if they run warbanner, make sure you focus the downed hard and fast. Use tangling roots to counter the warrior that runs in to ress… There are several ways to handle that situation, it’s up to the raid leader to find what is best to overcome them.
And the victory of EP over Agg proves my earlier mentioned point. Meta is changing and will continue to change. Without knowing the outcome of this matchup I asked a thief to stay on his thief on our raid. Just to test out some stuff. And sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. You only learn by trying. I’m currently checking if their is an engineerbuild that could work (even though this one seems a bit harder )
Off topic, props to EP, didn’t see the footage but beating Agg isn’t a small thing.
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Any restrictions on skills prevents GvG from remaining an accurate representation and simulation of real open field fights. I use GvG to improve for open field fights, and there are no skill restrictions there.
I can find myself in this opinion. If you look at the evolution of open field battle, one of the mayor changes that happened was nerfing the Mesmer. Open field used to be about portalbombs, 4-5 mesmers in a crew with distortion builds etc. Anet nerfed the mesmer and the portals (20 uses), so the scene adapted. With every change Anet brings forward, we will adapt to that.
There is a reason why several professions aren’t that frequently included in guild raids. Some professions are better suited for an open field battle then others, that’s a fact.
I think, if we limit the amount of usage of a skill, we find ourselfs on the territory of PvP, with adapted set of rules and skills. Warbanners aren’t always a good thing. Don’t forget the downed penalty still applies. Each time someone is bannered, they get closer to instant death.
Btw, on a general note, I like this discussion. Most posters talk about the OP, which means this is not a topic about “should GvG exist”, but it’s a topic about “GvG exists and we want to set some general unofficial rules”. Thank you for this.
If we can discus some other topics, I will try to create a first draft of these rules. So let’s discuss
What about the different buffs? I for one think that foodbuffs should be allowed.
On the other hand I don’t like the armorbooster/speedbooster/strenght booster/rejuvination booster/kite fortune. This can be obtained by buying (and drops if you get lucky), so people with money gain advantage on an rather unfair way.
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Then if a guild wants to go to war with another guild, the system will load an empty instance with one guild’s keep on one side and the other guild’s keep on the other in a ‘2 forts’ style fashion.
This is added
The idea would be for the guilds to fight it out and capture some relic/flag etc from the enemy castle etc etc.
This is an idea that will turn GvG into a large tPvP. GvG is not meant to be a “capture the flag”. The GvG as it exists today and in all his uniqueness is just your team vs the other team, last man standing.
Winners would get ‘currency’ to just improve the cosmetics of the keeps. This way everyone’s keep is roughly the same size and shape but guilds that do well can add fancy things to it to make it feel unique.
Could be an idea, but at the start it’s not necessary imho.
Unless is missed it while reading: add in the option to challenge your own server guilds too!
Added to the list
GvGvGvG….
A map were guilds are all enemy of eachother, and you find people who want to fight as a guild, not versus keeps and doors.
Added to the list as an expansion.
Could be so simple, a map similar to wvw without capture points. Groups/guilds can make a rooster to get in before they start, the system sorts them into a map with similar guild group sizes. And finally we can have real action. Fighting, teamplay and real excitment, not the “excitement” of placing siege =.=
You definitly get my point
If someone likes the idea and would like to help me expand it, don’t hesitate to contact me by pm or IG. This weay we can develop this idea even further and hope Anet will implement.
If you support this idea, please vote it up, we need +5000 votes before Anet hears us.
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Golden Horde [GH] from Deso vs. Velocity [VcY] from Vizunah :-D
hav fun!
VcY is not a french Team from Vizunah, they are in SFR.
Indeed we are from SFR
It is funny, we have video’s of constantly whiping you, you have video’s of constantly whiping us.
really? can´t remember getting whiped by [VcY] ever, can u link me this video?
Dunno where I saw it, but it did happen (I was there, as I was there when we got whiped by you) . You should check our channel, perhaps you can see your tag somewhere on the ground
Golden Horde [GH] from Deso vs. Velocity [VcY] from Vizunah :-D
hav fun!
VcY is not a french Team from Vizunah, they are in SFR.
Indeed we are from SFR
It is funny, we have video’s of constantly whiping you, you have video’s of constantly whiping us. Who is winning then? I rather win, but I enjoy the good fights the most. I don’t know who’s gonna fall T2 (thats for friday) but I certainly will miss you guys.
Gratz on the vid, it was nice to see someone admit when there are too much opponents in their own video. +1
This is our latest video (it was against Deso in the garrison-gate-fight )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppe202KbCdg&feature=youtu.be
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Golden Horde [GH] from Deso vs. Velocity [VcY] from Vizunah :-D
hav fun!
VcY is not a french Team from Vizunah, they are in SFR.
Indeed we are from SFR
It is funny, we have video’s of constantly whiping you, you have video’s of constantly whiping us. Who is winning then?
Gratz on the vid, it was nice to see someone admit when there are too much opponents in an own video. +1
This is our latest video (it was against Deso in the garrison-gate-fight )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppe202KbCdg&feature=youtu.be
I would like to thank Anet for everything. There are 2 many ragers out there and it is funny to see them going , but at the end you did very nice job and I hope we will get some more stuff like this.
Only remark is the culling bug and not getting a meteorshower but 10 karkas on my head :P, but I know you are allready trying to fix that problem, so keep up the spirit, there are still a lot of people who love you for what you have done and what you will do.
Thanks