Guild Wars 2

Giving the community what they asked for is bad marketing, sure it’s not perfect but, there is nothing in this world so close to perfection save death. Relationships are all about compromise both parties have to swallow a bit of the bile, if you will.

nir.3706:

instead of adding character slot they should of added 800 gems to all editions…

Then due to the influx of gems cost inflates and character slots now cost 900 gems. Oh woe is you.

Sir thats extreme, I don’t think thats gonna help anyone, well except a fat cat lawyer.

It is possible that they did, in fact it is possible that they are using the rage storm as free advertising. Only to swoop in fix the issue in a better than expected way now all those who raged out to all their gamer friends, will then have to position Anet in a positive light and maybe all the non players you raged to will consider joining. Not likely but kinda like one of those mastermind schemes that might be though unlikely….muwhahahaha!!!

I think that no one has been kittened, insulted yes, devalued maybe but there is no indication tat Veteran players cannot just open a new account thus allowing them to get the same benefits as others.

Value wise no I don’t see what has been shown is worth what they are currently asking for, maybe for the bundle yeah.

Also I hope there is some sort of apologize from ANet about the FAQ and for the lack of tact when it came to wording their comments about new players being valued and not paying homage to the Veteran players. This and the fact that they are taking so long to rekindle communication.

Also there should be apology from the community as well there has been alot of distasteful reactions.

You have not been screwed though I am sure you probably could have worded that more constructively. Because you don’t have to purchase the expansion. Also if you choose to you could get the same deal as new players by creating a second account.

No technically at this point it will depend if it is just prepaid special you can get exactly what the new players get if you create. a new account no loss in value there.

Explodie.9428:

Okay after reading this i found out we in europe have to pay more then americans do?

Normal pack costs $50 wich is € 44.07 and we have to pay € 44.99 wich is $ 51.08 ( $1.08 more Its nothing to say about that is normal)
The deluxe version costs $75 wich is € 66.06 we have to pay € 74.99 wich is $ 85.14 ( $ 10.14 more its huge!!)
The ultimate version costs $100 wich is € 88.08 we have to pay € 99.99 wich is $ 113.53 ( $ 13.53 more, its huge)

(I’ve converted this with the status for 20-6-2015 at 00.22 GMT+01)

You cannot take converted money into account you have to take in things like how much does the average consumer make. If you make on average 8 pounds an hour and the average north American make 7 dollars an hour, we are in fact paying more. Which for most products is usually the case.

Figuring for exchange would only factor if you had to import the product which you don’t a dollar is a dollar here and a pound is a pound there.

Furious.2867:

Im not an Anet fan/supporter. In fact, I don’t think too highly of them for how they settled past issues with me. Oh and my forum posts get deleted for being too honest.

Putting myself in their shoes, you whiners are impossible to satisfy and would rather shut down the company than serve you.

I’ve read people complain about supporting the game for 3 years and how it’s unfair for them to buy again. That logic is so flawed because it dismissed all the content they’ve enjoyed that new buyers will never experience.

Unless you are Blizzard, the MMO business isn’t as profitable as you believe. Scammy free download mobile gaming apps make more than large developers

The logic of having to buy again is of course as you say it flawed, but again you don’t point out the full reasoning why people are unhappy you have taken a small skewed image of the reason they are upset and used that to call people names. Wheres the logic in that?

Also people keep say that new players will not enjoy all of the same content that we did. One 98% of the content they will, with the exception of the living story season one which even lot of Veteran layers did not see fully or at all. They can still play all of Living story, Season two, they can be Zaitan, all of the Seasonal event are basically the same every year so this argument hold little water.

I am pretty sure they are making a decent profit, Most of their employee probably make as much if not more than I do and I am pretty sure with a little research you can find out what their quarterly profit i since I am sure that it needs to be publicly disclosed, I could be wrong on that, but saying they need money justifies giving less than value worth is likely baseless.

Please feel free to respond and provide constructive criticism I am happy to read it.

This community has heart, you have pegged them right on, thank you. I am that super helpful Veteran that help a new player roll around the game for 5 hours when I could have been doing something. I help them with a bags and some silver, I help explain thinks if they are confused.

I want them to stay and enjoy the game, but I also have heart to stand up and say I work hard for my money, I have so many other things that this money could go too. I take from things so that I have a form of enjoyment that helps me unwind and deal with the stress, but now I feel that it is being added too.

I disagree with the people directing unfiltered anger at inappropriate people. I think those people are making a kitten of them selves and likley trolling anyways. But I think the majority of the upset community is reacting appropriaely.

Have Anet make better or more communication I think this would likely have calmed down alot more to a gentle mew very the primal roar that it is currently. When my wife and me fight the silent treatment always and I say this always makes things worse, that what you do when you are kids, it is not expected of Adults and not epected of a business.

I want to appreciate, I do understand that there is alot of work dont and the quality is spot on, the art devs and programmers and storyline people don’t generally have a part of these decisions, so one thank you for your hard work we really want to see alot more of it and know the rest. Two we don’t know what going to be released so that fueling again make you point right now it’s unfair and the value does not seem to match up.

New money is important but customer retention also important, please address the preceived feel of hurt from the Veteran players, though the longer waited the harder it’s going to be to convince, unless you don’t care and just come out and say that either way.

- Rant off

Please change your title, it’s inappropriate and hurts the part of the community tht is trying to make a a legitimate point about the preceived unfairness of of the situation. Abusive negative and misdirected comments and posts make us look like kitten fools. Thank you and have a Nice day.

There could be alot of content not yet revealed, It could be that you do get a code that you could use for a second separate core account. Then that would be justified. But this is based on things were done know yet. Currently no I don’t think you can Justify it at this time.

I am confused as to how that has anything to do with my post, it’s a pool on when they will actually make a comment that all not asking reasons, not giving any, just lay your date down.

It true Anet could have a ton of surprise content not yet discussed.

butch.8136:

Y’all have never started/had a business, I assume.

Obviously the FAQ wasn’t clear, hence the complete outcry by the community and some of the insane arguments that are thrown around. They changed their FAQ to alleviate some of the confusion.

But hey, Anet is Illuminati and is taking over the world. /s

Hey not sure but given English is my first language. I Believe that the meaning of the original wording was clear enough for near-sided French badger to understand. To say that they were clarifying things, wow, can I get what you have, I won’t need to buy a fantasy game.

Evans.6347:

If you don’t need something, getting it for free doesn’t hurt you.

If you get a free cookie, but you don’t eat cookies, does that mean they shouldn’t hand them out to anyone? Maybe someone there was really happy to get a cookie and would be very disappointed if they suddenly stopped handing them out because someone complained that they didn’t want a free cookie.

I know I’m twisting the situation like this, because in reality no cookies are being handed out at all, and some people who saw the advertisement of said cookies were expecting them to be handed out, as a taste, and are now asking why there are no free cookies.

But I still wonder why anyone would deny someone else a cookie, because they don’t want it.

…I’m craving for cookies now.

I think it might be self entitlement.

Tirien.1326:

I don’t need it, if i want one, i buy it with gems.
It should NOT come in the deal, it’s not something that you need to play HoT.

I bought gw2 on release and played it since with monthly breaks and all, and i still don’t want stuff for free. Price is fair for an expansion, and it shouldn’t come with a level 80 character or 4000 gems or 8000 gems or 12000 gems, or whatever some people want.

You pay for the expansion, you get the expansion, everything else you need like character slots or whatever it is, gems, etc, you pay for yourself.

Ok so can you logically explain you reasoning for indicating that it should not be a part of the expansion?

You are correct in your saying that the price is fair for an expansion. If the content as we are aware of is correct they are not offering what is basically what a expansion would bring to a game in this genre. So the value is not worth the price of a fairly priced expansion.

If you think otherwise please make valid points.

Making the point that you don’t want anything for free makes me feel that you are trying to feel superior. Simple comparison in the light of any sort of communication indicates tat what you get in this expansion pales to what you get in a WOW, Everquest or most any other expansion. Go look it up, I’m not saying GW2 quality is great but there isn’t enough information to justify the price.

Ok that might be the case, but still doesn’t change the fact it’s a bundle, Thus making it a standalone. So they should call it a new account only bundle no existing accounts need apply.

In truth it’s a bundle so technically it’s a standalone game with added content…..For new players.

What makes getting a character slot fair, value.

New players have received a value added nod in the way of a free copy of the game. By the way super smart and awesome the community needs to grow.

Some people say well you got to play all this time, true but I paid for that. I paid for the disk, I paid in time and I paid by promoting the game to others.

Some people will have you believe that you should just grind out the gems, again while that is possible, I like alot of people don’t play this game all day, To grind out the 800 gems take me week at an hour here and a hour there.

This costs me valuable time when I could be doing other things and while I enjoy the game I do not enjoy gold just so I can do what someone who just starts the game can do right away. If I value my time by the base wage I could make 11 something an hour every hour I am forced to play extra when I did not have to de-values the game.

I only as for equality if you value add for new players there should be a value add for existing players. It doesn’t need to be equivilant, a whole game versus a character slot is far from the same. I am not greedy I work hard for my money, I hate the new generation of consumers attitude, conformance through acceptance.

1. People who gripe but have nothing constructive to say please just don’t say anything as you hurt the cause

2. People complain about complain shoudn’t, your enither trolling or you think you are helping ANet, your not, your making more Rage, and in the end if we all get up and just leave never say anything ANet would never know what went wrong. How will they improve they cannot.

Voice your opinion in a firm but constructive manner. ANet you need to be faster at addressing issues like this, this wait time is getting on par with the Sony hack situation it make me and I am sure other feel like we don’t matter enough to take time to address things quickly.

In the end regardless of right and wrong Anet you hurt people feeling by not being fair and then being closed mouthed. Please even if you give nothing you should address and apologize.

1. Price – I think it might be fair if it was just the stuff that we currently no about then, I think it’s pushing value for money it’s no where near what most MMOs release for this cost. Please dont say that you get LS for free cause that is ANets choice.

2. I think that the core being added in was smart and I am good with it.

3. It’s a moot point for Vets and definately would not be fair for Vet to get another copy of the core unless they use it for a second account.

4. The core of my gripe is te last of expansion slots for value to be able to play the new class. The overall value is starting to worry me simply as it does not seem like we are going to get enough to do which is why alot of people left before, more areas forsure and not adding in WVW and PVP there is large portion of the community that does only PVE. More things they don’t need to spoil but they certainly need to be like tere is more and fair bit more and mostly the lack of communication is the worst part.

I will not pre-pay or pre-order until the character slot issuue is sorted.

It’s likely fair but if it’s not they should make it up with free updates they have that option while not the best. Also just cause you can purchase a character slot does not change the core fact that you should not have to.

Agreed another fair option would be to lock the new players out of creating a Revenant until they purchase a character slot.

While you would be correct that we could be getting an extra slot over newcomers they get a free copy of the core. Niether of which cost the company 10 dollars so technically valuing it out is not appropriate. However slot holds great value to the Vet as the don’t have to delete possible level 80 character. Core game has been made easier for new players what took me months to level my first 80 can now take days. so I think the they have to work statement while somewhat valid isn’t a good justification for maying Vets have to pay to play. When I say pay you will have to pay somehow delete a character, purchases gems with money, grind out the time us casual vets that could be a month or more. Again seeking equality for all gamers. I am all for locking new comers out from the Revenant class until they pay for the character slot as well this is also fair.

They could get mad and cancel the expansion due to all the complaining about the price point. It’s a alot of work to make this content and we are getting alot of add ons to the classes if they done it right they should be like re-leveling you class all over again basically making it like adding alot of classes. So Anet thank you, but treat us fairly let us play the Revenant at launch and for the love of Jim Bob talk to the people and don’t tell them everything about the expansion but let them know there is more than you are telling us.

Ok so Yes last minute change but remember the nothing is forsure until it’s forsure. They also have some sort of we can change anything at anytime clause tat is pretty much standard with all companies.

I think the addition of the core is a good thing, they just need to make sure that everyone gets to enjoy the expansion content that was advertised at launch as would be for the price they advertise. So I should be able to play all of the expansion content for the price of 49.99 that they are advertising.

Currently I cannot under what we currently know to be true. I would need to spent additional in order to do so.

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Wondrouswall.7169:

There just needs to be more options available. Having options won’t detract from this. The current 3 packages are fine and encourages new players into the game. However, all of these issues could have been avoided if there were options available for those that already own the core game and want only the expansion.

Heart of Thorns Expansion ONLY Standard. Price $29.99-39.99
Heart of Thorns Expansion ONLY Deluxe (same extras). Price $54.99-64.99
Heart of Thorns Expansion ONLY Ultimate (same extras). Price $79.99-89.99

The price has some flexibility, but overall, more options are better. For the consumers, the fans, and the people at ArenaNet, the extra time and effort to add these additional options would be well worth it.

My 2 cents. Cheers.

if they priced it with a few $ off, there would still be enough People screaming: “Why did i have to pay 60$ for the Base earlier and 40 for the Expansion while New Players get both for 50?”

I am not one of those whiney Veterans. I paid 100€ a few minutes ago for the Ultimate Edition and already added the key to my Account. Is it expensive? Yes it is. But compared to other MMOs i have payed ~160-200 € over the last 3 years for the DDE and HoT Ultimate (not counting buying Gems, as that has no relevance in this matter). In a Sub Based MMO it would have been at least 540€ for the Subscription alone.

So you are saying that not being able to play the new class that is a good portion of what makes the expansion and saying that it is not of equal value when new comers can, makes us whiny, correct?

Another option would be to restrict new comers to not being able to play the Revenant class unless they purchased a character slot, that would be appropriate.

To be honest there really isn’t any specific indication that the expansion does not come with an extra character slot, and that the deluxe and ultimate is over and above that. Well other than Anets lack of immediate reply to that fact. It should be as any GW expansions but we’ll wait and see.

They could just by the core game just like everyone else did. Most people have pointed out it was only 10 dollars for a long time 49.99 seems like a decent price for the core game and the expansion. Oh wait.

It is not Greedy to want equality, in fact most Vets are not even asking for equality because are monetarily worth more because we choose to stay and choose to pay. But that not the point. I expected not to go to a store and have to pay for milk because I helped the store open and grow. I don’t expect to be treated less of an employee at my work because I have been with the company longer than a new hire.

I don’t expect more that the new hire, I expect the same, also I would like to be able to play the new class at launch that was advertised without having to pay more than someone who just started the game.

That is the core of the issue not greed just wanna be able to do the same thing a new comer can.

So which of your characters will you delete to play the Revenant? Or will you purchase the deluxe so you can get the extra slot or pay for the gems to get it. Existing player are not getting same value in fact in most cases are being forced to spent more.

I am not sure that you understand the core of te issue I have actually been reading the complaints and majority of them don’t care about the price, It fine except for a couple of things.

1. Most long term Vets done have an extra character slot meaning you ether have to grind, pay or by at least the deluxe version or delete a character that you spent alot of time working on.

2. The price complain is about new players getting the same thing for 50 dollars as existing players alot less than what for what people typically would have to pay 100 dollar before anything else was spent. All after being told that wasn’t happening.

3. This complain is alot less about self entitlement more about straight up ethics sure you don’t have to care about the people that you stood on to be successful but you should.

So what your saying is that because they are reluctant they pay 50 and early adopters pay 100 or close to that. I think that mostly the issue. One might say will you enjoyed the game for so long but I am sure that people would paid 50 3 months ago are not getting refunds. If they do that would be interesting.

No but can you give your older copy to a friend? Will this be allowed?

True but most MMOs have rules pertaining to the use of multiple accounts on a single computer especially if you are moving content between the accounts. So I wanted to see if we could get some clarification on this.

So I know that you are not getting a free account if you add this to your existing account. However will we be allowed to create a new account using said expansion? If so can we play one account then switch to the other without penalty? Obviously not at the same time but just one after the other using the same computer and IP. Also can we transfer content from one account to another without penalty?

I personally would rather get a character slot and bank tab but if that does not come to pass it doesn’t seem right that I throw away the extra free slots for creating a new account if I can.

Thanks