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Snow, your arguing that the process was only exploitative when the price of snowflakes was low. This doesn’t seem like a very strong argument, for instance what if hypothetically bots suddenly dumped enough of a t5 mat into the market to tank it to vendor price or 10 c per, before ectos adjust there would be a huge gap where you could craft rares at cheap and sell ectos for a huge profit. What would happen? Well this….exactly this in fact. As more people used that material the price of that material would rise (snowflake in what actually happened) and ectos would drop until they were cheap enough/the t5 mat costs enough to make the process not as lucrative. So would the people buying the t5 mat while it was 10 copper be exploiters?
Basically what caused people to be able to gain alot of money from this was one thing:
The recipe was not well known. If it was widely known you could make a rare from one pristine snowflake and an ecto + the other jewelry stuffs snowflakes would had started off at a high price. This is in part due to the gem being incorrectly green colored when it should be a rare gem. Take wow for instance, where every item before a patch is datamined, or looked at on the PTR (Yo, hint hint, wink wink,) then plastered on several fan sites. This thread would have hit before the patch even went live. Snowflakes would have immediately settled near where they were on day 4.
Except it isn’t, as the price of snowflakes rose and ectos fell the return rate shrank until, as stated in many posts here, the “guaranteed return” did not exist. This is because the pristine snowflakes were a limited supply item, you could not buy them with gold from a vendor.
To those comparing this recipe to other rare using t5 mats, consider this. Those recipes do not require you to put up an ecto at risk. Currently one can buy 12 s worth of t5 and craft rares, salvaging them for a chance at profit. When they took down the snowflake recipes, you had to pay around 60 silver to make the snowflake gem, which is “coincidentally” when it became impossible to make guaranteed money off this recipe. Quickly someone tell me what 20% of 60 silver is! No! It can’t be! You mean to tell me the price of snowflake+ecto to craft the jewel had…..reached an equilibrium based off the 20% chance to lose the jewel! This is madness! No…. this is ECONOMICS!
Stop trolling, it’s becoming too obvious. But your trolling sparks an interesting question. Who are the exploiters here? Do they track who bought snowflakes at 2 silver and created the items. Cut it off at 10 silver? 20 silver? Depends if the person made gold off of it? Ban everyone who made a single snowflake? Temp suspensions for anyone who made over X snowflakes? What about people who took notice and bought up all the snowflakes? Bought up the mithril?
What about the threads in the crafting section asking why jewelcrafter rares require ectos at all to make? JC is the only prof where you can’t make rares for an ecto conversion. To the average person the new recipes looked like a reprieve from the overly expensive current rare 80 necks/rings/earrings.
What I’m getting at is there isn’t a very clear line on who did wrong, who intended to do wrong etc. Like I said I came late to the so called party before I even saw this thread and found the recipe not worth pursuing or capable of generating much gold. Hell if you read the first couple posts in this thread others found the exact same thing. Are they exploiters? Ban those who made no money off of this? I’m not sure and it’s not my job to judge, but I hope whatever call A-net makes is the best decision.
John we know, that’s what we were saying the past couple posts, using black lions kits on this was not a problem. What we are curious about is how using master kits on the known recipes (mithril earing seemed the most cost effective) provided anyone a guaranteed profit/loop when the evidence seems quite clear that the market itself had shut the problem off with the cost of the snowflakes themselves.
I’m sorry, but black lion kits off of dailies? That’s a joke or I have the worst luck ever with black lion kits off of my dailys. Now I get repair canisters often enough, but not the kits, lord not the kits. But I will humor you.
Assume people who did this with BL kits and got 2 ectos off of every salvage (that might be generous). They got one extra ecto for every charge of the kit then + 4 mithril ingots which went up to around 7 silver. Now obviously they got some mithril back but nowhere near 4 ingots. They basically turned their BL kits into 20ish silver per charge. But now they don’t have those kits in the fute so they are still going to have to pay the piper.
I’m not sure how any of these recipes could have been reliably cycled w/o the BL kit as I tried them as I stated above, unless there is some info I’m missing / I did the wrong piece (I did mithril earing). The nature of the master salvage kit alone takes reliability out of the equation. Care to elaborate John?
Basically if you tried salvaging these for profit late like I did, your profit (or loss) was tied entirely to salvage rng depending on how often your gems broke and how many ectos you got. Trying to do this with BL kits in bulk would have been a horrible idea.
It also didnt help the the snowflake in question was incorrectly labeled a masterwork jewel when it was in fact rare due to using an ecto to make.
Why do people act like black lion kits are free? They cost a crap ton. I WISH they were cheaper. Believe me no matter what snowflakes were at, what mithril was at, it was a way better investment to use master kits when whoever figured this out started. In fact the lower the cost snowflakes and mithril were at, the better it was to use a master kit over black lion, because before snowflakes cost 26 silver, replacing a lost snowflake gem wouls have been a trivial amount of silver.
It makes me wonder how many people lost money trying this out after the pristine snowflakes had blown up because anet turned the recipes off. I imagine a few people got stuck with quite a few now relatively worthless snowflakes.
Still, the real people who made the most off of this was 1. Thos who did it extremely early. and 2. Those who didn’t do it all and just bought tons of mithril/snowflakes at low and resold at high.
More snowflakes reduces the RNG affect on the ectos I crafted, since they had a 20% chance of breaking. For example, if I had just done five snowflakes, I could have broken half of them and gotten 2 ectos total, which would have been totally invalid data due to a short bad rng string. Black Lion kits are like 6 gold a piece , and the price of ectos when I looked were to the point where I would have had to have over 2 ectos per rare average to make that gold back on 25 salvages. That wasn’t going to happen.
I head there was a new recipe for a rare that gave a good ecto ratio. So I tried this out using 100 Pristine snowflakes and master salvage kits till all the flakes broke, buying mithril as needed. I came out almost dead even not making any real gold. Maybe that was because the snowflakes were around 26 silver a pop at the time or I had bad salvage luck. Either way since I didn’t profit from it at all it seems I stopped and sold off the rest of the mats i had. This thing seems totally overblown and the only way anyone could have made money is if they had bought the flakes at dirt cheap.
The buffed one of the best specs (shatter/ipersona) pretty significantly, and with zerker damage (at least on the first swing through) back the burst aoe you can push out is insane.
At this point I would almost like for them to give us all the abilities our phantasms have and just make those abilities spawn clones. It would clean up the battlefield, and make it so our pve damage isn’t obliterated by aoe attacks. It would also give us really cool flashy attacks with legendaries.
For example, phantasmal berserker could become illusionary whirl, where we spin with the greatsword in a target direction, leaving a clone behind. Bonus Points if we can warp back to the original spawn point and swap with the clone. (like the underwater spear ability). Now imagine that with Twilight.
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While this is certainly better news, please don’t tell us we have to wait to the 14th to see the delay change……
It’s seems this delay in the first attack is unnecessary due to the change to avoiding the initial summon. Why do people get two chances to dodge the attack? It’s also completely horrible in pve. Half the time a mob will turn and slap your summon silly. A 16 second cooldown that does no damage is terrible.
Except they managed to break the workaround for the bug where phantasms just stand there twiddling their thumbs before their 1st attack (phantasmal fury). My zerker does the right damage, but now hes like to implode before he even gets an attack off…..yay?
How is a player attacking another player/using his abilities any different in WvW than it is in sPvP? It’s not like players magically attack twice as fast in sPvP….
Why isn’t this applied to WvWvW as well?
Edit: I’d like to clarify why I ask this, It seems strange for a stat to work differently in one pvp scenario than in another. I have no beef with them nerfing confusion in pvp if it is too strong. I find it strange that it gets nerfed in only one kind of pvp…
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I was testing sigils and runes in the mists and I noticed that while in the mists confusion damage is cut in half on the tooltip and the damage it does. (tested actual damage on sparring npcs). I wear berserker gear in both pve world and pvp but this seemed strange to me as this does not appear to happen when you enter world vs world. Is this intentional?
So there have been sever bug fix patches since this was noticed and yet still the berserker suffers. Is this going to get fixed soon?
Who is everyone else? Do you think that everyone who looted the chest got precursors? If that’s what you think you are mistaken.
The only build I’ve ever seen do 4k spatials (without some serious might stacks and vuln on target) are mantra builds, as a true shatter build will have you too deep in illusions to get enough of dueling or domination, which both lead to bigger crits. Also keep in mind that spatial surges 3 hits roll seperately for crits, so a crit crit hit is not a full crit which is where the 4ks people talk about are coming from. Basically for bigger crits stack zerker to high hell and don’t skimp on the weapon (it’s 9 % crit damage!).
You can place ruby orbs in your armor, netting you an additional 60 power and 24 crit over divinity.
6 ruby orbs is 120 power, 84 crit, and 12% crit damage
6 scholar is 165 power 8% crit dmg and 10% dmg if your over 90% hp
6 divinity is 60 all stats and 12% crit damage, but ask yourself if that 60 vit and toughness is going to save you if you are wearing zerker gear?
Honestly for me orbs are the way to go for the GS since divinity gives you some stats that don’t really benefit you. Honestly I wouldn’t even consider scholar as eagle just seems to scale better (additional crit chance give way better gains than power).
Mind stab is lacking but I guess they were careful since it’s a pretty short cd aoe (even if tiny) buff removal. At least it doesn’t lock you in place for half a year now.
How are you conducting your tests? Phantasms seem to get 100% of my crit damage bonus. Keep in mind that base crit damage bonus is only 50% in this game. (At least for mesmers)
I understand the tooltip bugs, but as noted in the post mantra of pain doesn’t get any benefit from the attack boost from weapons at all. It’s not just the tooltip. Is this intended?
Part one: Mind wrack boggles me.
Ok, so I always notice that mind wracks damage per explosion goes down as the number of illusions increases. So this prompted me to jump into the heart of the mists for some testing.
The tooltip doesn’t clarify whether the damage indicated is meant to be per explosion, or if that is what the combined explosion damage is supposed to be. Either way, the tooltip is WAY off. Here are some observations on mind wrack.
1. Mind wrack’s damage goes up when you equip a weapon, but the tooltip doesn’t change. Definite bug.
2. Mind wrack’s damage goes up when you add power gear. The tooltip shows this increase in power.
3. Mind wrack’s damage decreases per explosion but increases in total damage (providing all illusions make it there and blow up successfully) as the number of illusions increases. However, I couldn’t make anything fit the tooltip.
These examples were done naked with no weapon equipped and the illusions were made from mirror images or decoy. Target used was light target dummy. No traits were used (all lines left at 0).
1 illusion tooltip: 280 damage, hit for 326 (indicates power scaling or base damage of tooltip vs actual is off)
2 illusions tooltip: 378 damage, each hit for 263.
3 illusions tooltip: 492 damage, each hit 216.
I have a feeling the damage indicated in the tooltip is meant to represent the total damage the combined explosions will do, however the tooltip obviously is lower than what actually happens, and is WAY off when you consider putting a weapon on does not change the tooltip at all.
Part two: Mantra of pain bug.
While I conducted these tests I noticed mantra of pains tooltip also did not increase in damage when I put on or took off my weapon. I thought “oh hey, must be just like mind wrack and doesn’t show the increase in the tooltip”. I testsed it anyway, and to my surprise my weapon had 0 effect on mantra of pains damage. This leads me to believe this is a bug, as weapon strength adds directly to the total attack stat just like power does, and should have an impact on mantra of pain’s damage, just like it affects mind wrack.
Anyone else can test this too so we can find out what the bugs exactly are?
After some testing it appears mind wracks explosion damage for having 1 illusion vs 3 is backwards. That is: 1 illusion will explode for what it says 3 do, and 3 explode for what it says one does.
I wouldn’t run the build in structured, there are several reason for that but one big one is you can’t gear appropriately for it. The pvp zerker amulet is lacking a huge amount of bonus crit damage compared to what you can gear for normally because someone wanted to put a insignificant amount of vitality on it.
Warlocks crit for a bajillion damage single target and chaos storm is great (and not for its condition damage, which is random and kind of blows, but free team blocks and speed is weeeeee). Greatsword stays on usually but staff and sword/pistol swap depending if I’m expecting a small scale fight or the epic zerg. (pistol is great in duels but falls way short in big fights)
Mantra of healing is a mantra and takes the healing slot and is not a utility slot skill. Thus you can easily have 3 mantras and blink.
Also this is WvWvW we are talking. I swap out my skills and carry extra weapons for the abilties for the right situation. Its not like the zerg of 50 people coming towards your keep just snuck up on you. You get out of combat all the time. I often drop the 3rd mantra for portal in anticipation of needing it. 8% more damage is still a great trait. 12% is a godly one.
They really need to rebalance the traits though, ALOT of them are just really bad, or maybe some of them are just too good. When am I not going to want 15% more illusion damage?
I seriously think you are undervaluing the ability to use the mantra while doing other things, thus not impeding damage, or whatever you are doing.
Honestly my gear is ok but still has a long way to go, I’m using a full rare yellow set of berzerker 80 cloth with ruby orbs in every piece, my rings and earings are cheapkitten green ruby stuff, and my only exotic is my ruby ori necklace which i just made.
Look if you don’t like mantras then don’t use them, I don’t think the 12% damage will make or break the build. Personally I go 30 domination 30 dueling and 10 illusions with compounding power as my illusions trait for maximum damage burst.
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Null field has twice the cooldown of the mantra, so does ether feast. And they don’t give you 4% more damage each like the mantras do. With the triple cast mantra feat, the mantra easily outheals ether feast. You can also dodge roll, nuke the hell out of your opponent, or dance while using the mantra after its activated. You need that high level triple power, precision, crit dmg berzerker gear for it to come together, but once you do you start crushing people.
Problems in WvWvW? Seriously everything about mesmers in that is amazing. Blinks get you out of bad positions, you can throw phantasmal berzerkers through walls, time warp breaks team fights, and portal lets you do rediculous shenanigans with your team. Need those seige weapons down? portal blink portal exit uh oh look all those guys we had pinned on a wall are behind us…..
I can’t believe you think mantra of pain is bad……. it pretty much reads “before any fight spend 2 seconds to ensure your opponent has half health or less before taking into consideration any other skills you have.”
Greatsword is the greatest thing since sliced bread for mesmers, strap on some bezerker gear and throw red gems in everything.
I have 52% crit rate and 100% critical damage bonus from gear and talents, plus a ton of power. Mirror-blade into phantasmal bezerker into shatter will wipe the floor with entire groups of people in WvWvW and decimate mobs in pve. Mind stab is pretty terrible though.
Also, who was laughing at mantras? They are so good its not even funny. Off of animations, usable while cced, and u can trait for 3 casts. I run 3 mantras, healing, pain, and self removal of conditions. So when i have all 3 up that’s an additional 12% damage done. Stop trying to outlast your opponents and just crush their face.