Guild Wars 2

Saturn.6591:

Basically, it’s hard to focus you guys down because you’ll just run out of sight in stealth if you get low. And if we get one of you downed, there will surely one or two of you to get him up in Shadow Refugee. Makes for some looong fights. I remember when we were once fighting over a camp and I eventually died, I was like “screw that” and went to Hills instead, which was being attacked. It’s very hard to get rid of you guys, even when outnumbered. But I guess that means you’re doing your job well. ^^
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Mmmm….. That’s more or less the insight of a thieves’ guild. Being hard to kill and easy to res generates really strong havoc squads….

Best,

Haltair, one of the twelve shadows

Ok, here are the facts, we have beaten riverside last two weeks and kodash once in this period of time. Riverside is in 4th position and we baruch in 7th atm.
Even if we beat kodash again this week the rating system will not allow us to climb in the ranking.
The changes in the rating are too smooth as to reflect the reality.
If we can manage to win servers like Riverside and kodash week after week why should we stay in the 7th position?
The rating system is unfair.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Markus.9084:

Again, you need 3/5 players to chase one opponent for about 5 minutes, which isn’t normal imo when your are in YOUR structure.

Well, perhaps you are the one in THEIR structure.
What would you prefer?Once the lord is taken all the enemies should be moved to the WP or what?
Zerg play should not be encouraged, learn to fight in small numbers.

Best,

Haltair

Markus.9084:

Again, I’ve met a guild with 3 thieves and one Mesmer near our Lord in Askalion…. when they tp the rest of their guild to cap the keep

Yes, we do this each day but it is not easy, we train each day to improve and do it better, even alone…a video from the last week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBTuHzWFflU&feature=youtu.be

If you think that is easy just try, only a couple of thieves in the server could do that with a critics build.
What kind of game we want to pursue? Just blob against blob? Just hitting doors?
Thieves and mesmers give new options to the game. It is possible to fight them but you need to take some measures…
We have been training together since the start of the game, do not expect merciness.

Best

Haltair

Let’s kill two birds with one stone.
Avoid rezzing if more than 5 allies surrounding.
This would discourage zerging so much without destroying rezz mechanics and encouraging small escale fights.

Best,

Haltair, one of the twelve shadows

It is simple, since the last patch when I go to the Bazar to sell something half of the times the game crashes.
I have checked in the spanish forum that it happens to more people.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

pulupulu.9730:

Only thieves should be complaining, since they got another big nerf, and can’t fit any other role aside those “highly specialized role” (thou they don’t need much protection… because they are already dead! haha? not funny? darn)

pulupulu.9730:

i am just saying the emotion is uncalled for when nothing for wvw has changed. Aside thieves. Thieves probably… should change class… I know I did.

wtf, my whole guild is based on thieves.
What is ANET thinking on? A change based in PvE performance can not be allocated in WVW.
You can not talk about balance if you decrease the whole crit efectivity when each class relies on different stats. It is impossible that a 10% change will affect the same to a necro or a warrior than to a thief…
This is crazy.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Meglobob.8620:

I am surprised no one, not even for just a laugh has organised a 30 strong zerg of pure Necro Minion Mancers.

Ie… 30 Necro’s with 6 minions each, so that would be a 180 strong minion army.

Could face off with 30 Rangers and there 150 spirits + 30 pets (and a another 30 to swap too)

It would probably make a amusing, funny youtube video.

Necro Army!

We did it in Baruch this last Saturday, pictures and videos here:

http://www.guildwars2-online.com/foro/topic/9606-necromancer-day-sabado-dia-18-de-enero-del-2014-a-las-1545-de-la-tarde/

enjoy.

best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Hule.8794:

Majos, check what OP posted.

I totally agree with what you wrote, but Haltair thinks otherwise. He want more points for beating lower servers than AM will get for beating higher servers.

Nop, I would like the opportunity to fight against servers with higher rating instead fighting servers 5-7 positions below.
The glicko assignement system can make you fight against lower servers one after another.
If we had fought against Gunnar and Jade this week we would be probably be in the golden league. As we are assigned to fight one and again against lower rated servers we can not climb in the list.
Our position in the ranking does not show our current performance.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

The three leagues (gold, silver and bronze) depend on the possition in the ranking.
The ranking changes depending on the matchup assignment, mainly due because with the same performance you steal rating to the other servers depending on the current rating.
This means that if you fight one week after another against lower servers your opportunities to steal rating to other servers are low.
Baruch is having this problem during the last weeks. At the moment (12th) we are destroying servers with much less rating: Miller (17th) and Ranik (19th) but we can not climb to our real performance position due to the fact that we are assigned to fight lower servers.
As example, Abbaddon is not a better server than Baruch and atm is stealing more than 35k points to better rated servers.
The system should take into account your previous matchups because it could happen that a server with good performance would be located in a lower league just by random matchup assignments with lower servers.
This is unfair and does not reflect current performance.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

sephiroth.4217:

Roaming solo – Camp flipping, slapping yaks and scouting.

(mobility seems to decide the top 3 of this list)

Mobility and fight disengage capabilities….
In general I agree with your lists.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

I do not mind which kind o f changes and at the end the developers never respond to the customer advices, so…
Just buff pistols somehow!!!!

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Sanduskel with his antistealth campaign?
I belong to the biggest thieves guild.
Thieves die, much easier in group combat than in 1vs1. In duels thieves are not the top1 by far, below average in zerging or pve.
They can disengage, all your problems are related with this? It introduces new mechanics in the game.
I play as thief, but I also fight against thieves and many cries here are a l2p issue.
There is not real permainvi with thieves, there are smoke clouds, aoe signals and other systems to find them.
When fighting there is rythm behind, if you do not feel the rythm of the attacks you should fight against more thieves.
There are antistealth traps.
Use rangers for sick’em.
L2p, better.
Daily many of us fight without problems against thieves, roaming or inside the keeps.
Perhaps you do not know them enough.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Ps Interstingly many old members changed the class after so many nerfs and they find much easier to use other classes…it makes me laugh that you find easier to rule a thief than a warrior or a necro.

I would say that the top6 in GvG would had been RG, VOTF, SCND, GD, VII and BULL.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

tattoohead.3217:

So I play Necro and recently I realized i was being Feared by THFs of all people, I don’t consider my self an expert thf by ant stretch but i didn’t think they could use FEAR.

Is this new?

hahaha…really funny this question coming from a Necro.
As stated, each time a thief steals you will get a fear use, simple.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

LordByron.8369:

P.S. and the issue is that thief has still 3 defensive mechanics…that makes them immortal at least in www.
Evasions
Stealth
Mobility

Those makes impossible to kill any decent thief.

You can not mix different builds, and much less when with the vigour nerf thief was heavily touched.
Many nerfs have been done to the thieves, with each nerf many theives have changed their main to other classes ( I know almost all the thieves of Baruch).
The point is that only the high-skilled thieves remain loyal to their first choice, and you probably base your views in those high skilled players.
Thief is not the best 1vs1 (and probably should be because it is the only individual dps class), nor in pvp neither in pve. In WvW is probably the best as roamer and ninja class, that´s all.
They can evade fights easily, that is their only real perk, and it is based in stealth.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Yo do not see the big picture.
To get sixty ranks alone means to control supplies with a minimum effort. It means to kill many, many dolyaks and cap a lot of camps. It means to win the battle for resources with just one guy.
Obviously you can get a lot of ranks just zerging, but your relative value will be low because the zerg would make the same without you. If roaming properly your added value increases much more.
In any case to avoid all the fights is a little bit boring. I would recommend to balance a little bit the number of encounters with the camps capping….

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

1: What mode do you prefer
WvW

2: How long have you been a thieve?
launch

3: Compared to when you started, how long can you stay logged on to your thieve?
shorter periods

4: If you started a thieve now, would it be as much fun as launch?
no why? At launch it was clearly OP, atm is under average.

5 : Do you Agree with direction of the balance team?
try to be as direct about why if possible
no, their changes have made viable just a couple of builds destroying all the others.

It is a pity that BULL moved to another game recently. To my knowledge they had beaten Scnd in several of the last encounters and would have been really interesting to watch a fight between RG and BULL.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Our Fencing Master some days ago was able to Kill alone the Lord of Hills just using a critics build. It can be done much more easily with other builds in half the time, but this build requires a much bigger concentracion and ability, you can not make anymistake.
To my eyes is quite impressive…

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

As the biggest guild of thieves we have tried zerging several times, it does not work.
You can destroy random zergs quite easy, but any trained guild will easily beat you thanks to the combination of skills, boons and Ccs of different classes. Beat in terms of kill the half of the zerg, obviously nobody kills a whole thieves zerg.
Thieves are much more useful working in low numbers and groups than zerging.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Sanduskel.1850:

many of us thieves think stealth is ridiculously broken in this game. the vocal few who want to preserve the status quo are who you mostly see on the forums.

I am officer in the guild who owns more thieves of the world and I can assure you that not even one thinks that the mechanic is broken.
It seems to me that you must be trolling.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Chuck Zitto.2367:

with good thieves have only 2 outcomes the thief winning or the thief stealthing and running away

The problem appears when the comparison is with good players.
I have seen good elementalist avoiding being killed by several thieves, the same with guardians. I have seen good enineers killing alone several players at the same time, the same with good necros.
The issue is to try to compare anything with good players.
Stealth is not as good in combat as other perks like ccs or invulnerabilities. Stealth shines in roaming and ninjaing, the only field in which thieves shine. Thieves do not shine in duels, zergs, pvp or pve, but they do in roaming.
We know a lot about thieves, and all our members have alters to better performance in other activities (duels, group combats, zerging, pvp…)out of roaming.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Illusions.3108:

I have an armor rating of 2682, and i am getting critically hit by thieves up to 12k? What gives?? I am stacking toughness to defend against this crap and still am getting dropped faster than i can even counter it. Unless i am doing something wrong, i am getting close to uninstalling this game. I dont mean to rage or anything but there appears to be a serious WvW balance issue. The average hit from them is around 4k but still with how fast they strike it kills me 4-kittens.

Not even once I have been able to crit 12k, much less 3 times in a row.
Explanation about the balance in “assasin” type classes here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/More-Counter-Stealth-Play/3456246

Best,

Haltair, one of the twelve shadows

Dekk.3459:

Fun fact the Dec 10th patch notes, all classes besides warrior had over 12 pages of comments on their class forum Dev thread while warrior thread had 6 pages. So either warriors dont post, dont read, or there are many many fewer warriors playing because they are certainly not overpowered. Weird that stealth is complained about so much.

Easy to explain, stealth is annoying, it makes new or bad players to feel weak, they can not see the enemy and is frustrating.
If someone looses with a warrior checks the combat log and realizes what happened, he can follow the fightall the time, if fighting a thief the feeling is like," ok, stealth, he wins due to stealth, I would beat him in other case"…

Best,

Haltair, one of the twelve shadows

An “assasin” type class has the same hate in any MMORPG. The developers must overcome this hate based in tha typical performance of this kind of class:
- strong individual DPS
- low health
- some kind of survival system

In AOC and wow the developers gave stun systems to the players and some evasion systems during combat.
In GW2 this was substituted by stealth. This sistem is obvious was quite defiant to the whole population, mainly because is a very particular and narrow way of combat.
Normally in all the games happen the same referred to this type of class. Being engineered to 1vs1 the rest of the classes cry because they can not compete in indicidual performance (the games are not designed to 1vs1 but mainly to groups vs groups), but people just reflects their fear about 1vs1.
If 1vs1 were the standard aoe should not exist, as group boons and other stuff… Mainly because if you try to balance the combat performance of dps based classes but differnced in aoeVSindividual damage at the end always the individual classes are nerfed, the aoe ones buffed and that last always improve a lot their performance in bigger groups compared to assasin classes. At the end in almost any game the assasin class is crap compared to others and used by very competent players.
A class with low health focused to individual damage is hard to compare to other classes that shine in group, but you always focus in the 1vs1 performance that is not the standard of the game.
An assasin type class should be able to win in equal 1vs1 fights to most of the other classes due to its narrow performance based in high individual dps. This is not happening at the moment, several classes are much better duellers than the thieves at the moment.
Thieves are crap in medium and big group fights and has been nerfed to the floor in duels.
Continue discussing about quitting its survival (stealth in this case) is unfair and plays against the possibilities of the game. Stealth adds interesting systems and actions to Mvm and pvp.
With all the nerfs that have been done talking in this way about an specific mechanic of a class is annoying.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Another trolling stealth thread. fine.
Go and use the same arguments in the balance thread:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Class-balance-in-WvW-is-just-fine

There you will realize that many other classes are better than thieves in WvW.
If you have problems fighting thieves choose one of these options:

1. The enemy thief is an skilled player and would be with any other class.
2. You do not know how the thief class works, traits and other stuff.
3. You do not know how your class can fight a thief.
4. You are not as good player as you would like.

I have fought against tough guys in all the classes, even rangers. I have also found thief players better than me, even those based heavily based in stealth deserved the victory.
L2p issue here.
And I can talk freely because I was one of the top assasins in AOC, a game in which combat with the “assAsin” class was not dependent on stealth.
In this moment stealth is not op taking in account the rest of the skills and traits. It gives really interesting new ways of playing (ninja and roaming movements) and adds clues beyond zerging.
Tha game would be less funny without stealth.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

aspirine.6852:

I hope I remebered the right guild name, ODC from Baruch? Some roaming team of mesmers and thiefs were brutal on our borderlands.

If there were more thieves than mesmers it was probably ODS.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Eloquence.5207:

5 Thieves and a Mesmer.

This is the best combination if you want to combine fast roaming and ninjaing.
You will evade all the fights at will when crossing zergs, will be able to play hide and cap in fast flipping maps, hide and port squadrons and at the same time your damage outcome will make you capable of give good fights even in lower numbers.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Ps: If you go with bigger numbers other combinations shine.

Merlin Dyfed Avalon.5046:

Where was BB/AR population on reset?
Was expecting huge blobs.

BB is much less used to blobs than other servers.
On the other hand half of the dedicated players and guilds are on “vacations”.
Probably you will not see a real Baruch response till January.

Best,

Haltair, one of the twelve Shadows

Ey, stop it…More than 70k ahead, are you crazy?
We are in vacations mates, V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N-S.
Relax a little bit.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Coarr.3286:

hope to see some of your videos against us to show the world that you can be beaten

To say the true in our forum there are just a couple of videos showing Shadows beating Bukas in fairplay. But it was decided not to place them in the international forum because they do not show the “big picture”, that we can also be beaten.

I was informed that one of our thieves won 5-1 in duels against your best thief, but I also know that several classes could get the same record against some Shadows, so not big deal there.

Being uni-class is good for several things and a handycap for others…

Best,

Haltair, one of the Tweelve Shadows

elikal.7356:

This a 1000 times.

I am SICK AND TIRED over this! The overpowered perma-stealth built is a big issue in WVW for over a YEAR now! And ANet did NOTHING to remedy it for all the time! Yeah now the patch day happend, and guess what … Perma Stealth is STILL there.

Will you say the same in all the threads and create new ones with the same topic one and again and again?
There are several methods to counter stealth, learn to use them; stealth traps, ranger´s pet skill and so on.
To continue your crusade with false arguments will not take you anywhere.

Best,

Haltair, one of the twelve shadows

ilmau.9781:

To Baruch Bay, you are the server i respect most, best open field battles, you do not run away and always fight in any situation, i had best fun ever fighting againist you. I am just sad that we only had one matchup together! That’s bad!!

Thx mate, we are quite proud of what we did and how we did it. With a bigger effort we would have reached the second place, due to the fact that in our confrontation with Jade the final difference was just 1,5k points and the previous day we had an advantage of 8k points. Jade did frankly well the last day in gaining a great victory that at the end took them to the second place.

We did it based mostly in our guilds and innovative strategies.
As many people realized we are much less based in random blobs than other servers. The reason is probably that we have several really dedicated strong guilds as BULL, SIN, RNV, WAR, IMP and several others.

We have an alliance of small guilds who gather in the same map and coordinate themselves to beat as many objectives at the same time as possible, being able to join and destroy enemy blobs when necesary.

At the same time several small-medium scale guilds dedicate to roaming/ninjaing with big success, HERO, KMLT and others make a great job.

We also created and developed the Order of Shadows [OdS] in which most of the thieves of Baruch are trained in combat, stealth and infiltration. In other servers the action of the Thieves Brotherhood is not perceived in its real magnitude mainly due to the fact that we enjoy distraction and stealth infiltration, but our server adores us.

Our Karma train is well established in the mornings with competent commanders and we created an ad hoc specifical combat organization for the nights.

So, when fighting Baruch you could find a map of small coordinated guilds, different squadrons of dedicated GvG guilds in other maps, organized structures outside prime-time and thieves, many thieves. Due to this reasons our style is much offensive than defensive, it gives us less rewards (since defend is easier and better in terms of ppt) but we enjoy it a lot.
I think that everybody enjoyed and was surprised when fighting us.
Remember, Spaniards named and developed the Guerrilla Warfare.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Troma.3250:

Well…

It’s time to have a real rest.

Good Bye, enemys. Without you, all this journey wouldn’t exist.

Grats, good job setting up a strong community.
Good luck for the future.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Troma.3250:

, the french SFR told me it was insults like monkey, kitten, french kitten , vizunah kitten , but you all say the contrary.

I would take it as flatter. People normally insult those who are much respected.
The rule in the Order is clear, if they insult it means that you are doing a good job, think on it as flatter.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Coarr.3286:

ironie, my favorite enemy?

wanna meet tonight for some duels in the jp?

Everybody knows in Baruch that I like that stat. Even loosing the match Kodash was able to make almost a 20% more points in stomps and Dolyaks. The Shadows value that stat sincerely. Good job, Kodash maintained ruins much better than Baruch.

Unfortunately I can not attend the date, I have to look after my kid today (my wife is travelling), but surely you will find other Shadows willing to duel.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Coarr.3286:

current score not from ppt:

1. kodash – 83616
2. baruch – 71164
3. augury – 43727

Grats. Well done.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

This league probably will end like this:
1- Vizunah
2- SFR and Jade
3- Piken and Baruch

Without geopolitics and talking about individual performance the league should have finished something like:
1- Vizuna
2- SFR
3- Piken
4- JS & BB (almost equal in performance)

But geopolitics matters in a 1 Vs1 Vs1 match….
There are two good news:
1- More rewards to more people.
2- Jade and Baruch improved a lot during the last weeks, so we will give good fights to the top3 during the second league.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

DevonCarver.5370:

2) How would it feel to have a system that gradually unlocked more commander abilities and icons, but that required dedication to WvW? Let’s say we added a commander line to the ability panel and you unlocked it with WvW ability points. What is the right starting price for that? 100 points? more? If that happens, does it make sense for the system to remain character based? Would requiring commanders to spend their WXP in this way limit them to the point that they didn’t want to do it? What if you still acquired the current tag by spending 100g, but you upgraded to new shapes via the WXP system?

It is fine if you add a progressive achievement system to the commander line but I think that it should be outside of the usual WvW system. It should be not a personal progression but a recognition of the community.
Add an specific reward (trophy) to the WvW daily achievement. The commander line and abilities would be reached by spending a particular number of trophies. Trophies could be shared but not sold, so the people could share their own trophies with thier liked commanders. These good commanders would grow in their commander skills and utilities line much faster than bad commanders, thanks to the community.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Truebanana.5936:

some of them tried to fight fair .

It is very common when I fight a zerg that they come one by one for fairplay.
Ah,no,no,no
If you are in frontiers you know what can happen. The good notice is that sometimes you will be victorious in fights against bigger numbers.
For fair fights arrange duels at obsidian sanctuary.
Learn to deal with this, do not qq for what happens in frontiers, it sounds naif.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

BB
Gold
Yes
Yes

Best,

Haltaur, one of the Twelve Shadows

Koerbyownz.8465:

. Have you ever watched your pro 12 shadow Videos?….the 12 Shadows youre maybe unbeatable. But you arent.

Yep, I’ve watched them, low numbers against bigger numbers and most of the times winning.
This game is not exactly paper, stone, scissors game but it happens that several classes beat others much easier. So, yes, skilled players with proper builds and classes can beat Shadows, obviously.
What makes me laugh is when an unknown guild to my ears suddenly claims more or less to kill every shadow easily. Most of us are veteran and tough enough as for knowing that is a fairytale. Much more when just a group of Shadows took And capped your map’s Bay six times in a row in a couple of hours yesterday.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

I hope Piken beats SFR, it is the only way they would get a podium, they deserve it.
SFR will be second no matter what happens and Viz is a good winner.
Good luck!

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Coarr.3286:

i decided not to come back to finish our second duel. my dog wanted to go on a walk with me

Come on…
Very convenient when loosing…
It is interesting that people here congratulates Shadows for the good fights in this same thread (Valani, Dominik…) but your point of view differs, exactly in the moment that a Shadow showed that was defeating you.. your game crashed…. and from your point of view the whole Order should improve…xD
Mate, I have killed dozens of RG and did never try to advice the whole guild nothing. Sometimes their build were supportive, sometimes were trying something new I guess, some others the class was less competitive and so on… They always tried their best and performed pretty well.
Perhaps you have encountered a couple of new recruits and killed them a couple of times, I will not deny that is possible, but come on, your computer died in the exactly moment Tiki was going to beat you?…. it sounds strange…
By the way, Tiki´s internet connection is crap, if yo do not beat him you will not take down many other brothers.
Prepare yourself as well as you can, prepare an anti-thief build, go to obsidian sanctum and try to win all the duels to the veteran Shadows located there.
good luck….xD

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Valheru Baal.9456:

So far the best fights SFR got this whole season was from either BB or JS. Hats off the those servers and leaders.
…..
No matter what happens the last week I rally hope that either BB or JS takes place 3, because they deserve it more than PS who always took the easy path.

We prepared the matchups and gave our best, thank you for recognizing Baruch’ s efforts.
Undoubtly Viz ans Sfr deserve the first two places. W e hope to give more good fights during next league.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

dominik.9721:

Greetings to Darckbeta, met him in 1vs1 arena, nice gameplay and build

I will share your comment with my Shadow brother.
It seems that just Coarr finds easy to kill Shadows…xD

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Varani.9207:

Greetings to the Orden de Sombras people

Thanks, trying to do our best, even this week in middle gear.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Troma.3250:

is this a joke? we never did an alliance/focus with Jade Sea, i explained it. Jade sea even think we double focused them, and seeing your both server talking about double focus was total nonsense for us.

I strongly believe this, I am sure that there was not an alliance at all.
But I also think that several Vizunah commanders hated Baruch much more than Jade Sea, because we saw movements, in the map which we attended, that were really strange and stupid from a ppt gaining point of view or any other logical point of view.
Attacks and movements are more or less easy to preview depending on conquers, defenses and tier upgrade, but that specific week the logic went crazy in some maps at some hours with some enemy Vizunah commanders.

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows

Dan.5416:

Piken will get 25 points to share 3rd place with JS

Count again the points the last day, mate, taking into account Baruch Bay…

Best,

Haltair, one of the Twelve Shadows