Guild Wars 2

Drama to the max.. enjoying the QQ-ing keep it up guys !!

the QQ has begun on BG.. the talk and attitude from day 1 is different now

siege golem are not overprice. And if use correctly they are quite effective. Theres a reason y it cost 1g

define night capping in a global game :P

should we nerf warrior too ?? Kill shot 2 is so OP!!!

we can kill in seconds and we get kill in 2shots too.. we give defence for offence.. u can do it too.. a warrior can do it too but the warrior will still have better defence than a thief.. so shall we nerf all classes so they dont spec glass cannon ? and make sure everyone use a fair spec so no 1 get 2 – 3 shotted to death.

so what you guys suggest here is to be fair that all aoe buff/Aoe dmg shld be capped at 5 players maximum ?

There has been a lot of controversy surrounding the mesmer portal, and more recently, thieves using stealth to block capping camps. While there has been a great outcry to limit or remove these abilities from wvw, I am going to argue that they should stay, and more importantly, more of these such abilities should be added.

Before portals started getting used en-masse, wvw largely consisted of running two giant zergs into eachother, and whichever had the greater numbers or more siege would win. While numbers still are the main deciding factor for who wins wvw, smaller groups are able to win against larger forces using superior tactics, many of which revolve around the portal. Portals allow a group to move around at extreme speeds and give superior flanking ability to said group. The advantage of portal bombing/flanking is having the element of surprise and that’s it. Before you start complaining about invisible armies, I remind you that if you can’t see them, they most likely cannot see you. Also, if you are organised, you CAN shut down portal bombs 9 times out of 10 with equal or greater numbers (if you are really organised you can do it while outnumbered, but success is more situational). People who complain about always getting destroyed are usually a part of an unorganised zerg, and in that case, you should be losing to a organised attack every time. The point I’m trying to make here is that portals add a lot to the metagame, and they are balanced because they are counterable.

I have the same argument for the thief’s ability to use stealth to block camps from being capped. It is an awesome tactic that counters unorganised zergs, but can easily be stopped by a little bit of organization. Again, it adds to the metagame.

The only real issues with portals/stealth is the rendering issues in wvw, but we should not get rid of such awesome abilities because of it, as ArenaNet will fix rendering in the future (hopefully).

So the real problem in wvw is mesmers and thieves are a must if you want to do well in wvw. This is completely true. The solution to this; however, is not to get rid of or limit these abilities but to add gamechanging abilities to all the classes so they can all be just as important and have a role in wvw. Right now, mesmers (portal, temporal curtain, feedback, timewarp), thieves (stealth, the spinning move with stupid amounts of AoE DPS), and guardians (sanctuary, wall of reflection, staff line, endless amounts of retaliation and stability) are all super important classes. To a lesser extent you could say necros with their mass condition abilities, elementalists as the walking siege cannons, and perhaps engies with grenades and mortars (is engie mortar as powerful as the ones built in keeps?) are also super important, but not quite on the same scale. This leaves out ranger and warrior, although I am sure they have skills they bring to the table as well. So if these other classes were given important skills, roles would become more prominent and the metagame of wvw would improve.

tl;dr – Portals and stealth stopping capping add a lot to the metagame. Instead of trying to get these abilities removed, we need ArenaNet to add more gamechanging abilities to the other classes to bring them up to par.

Source from:
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/72549-mesmer-portals-and-thief-camp-stalling-why-these-tactics-are-important-for-wvw/page__hl__+mesmer#entry2036017

this post is taken from Guru..

the dolyaks are fine.. dolyak are important npc to the whole supply chain for keeps, tower and stonemist. its how players fight for it to prevent or to make sure the dolyak reaches its objective thus making it very vulnerable. The problem is not with the dolyak, its the rendering issue with thief stealth. so if the dev fixed the issue.. u wouldnt have this problem again. And Npc guards is never enough to just escort dolyaks especially when one server have just capped stonemist you shouldnt expect easy delivery of supplies. you have to fight for it to reach its destination. that is what make’s wvwvw fun when we capture Stonemist, The challenge to maintain SM

chill guys ….. lets work this all out :P no point arguing over what is done.. as long as its explained n its not an exploit, lets move on

matt u shld just shut free transfer now before wvwvw get hurts even more.

Lofty.8759:

Syphen.1980:

Lofty.8759:

Who’s warmachine, they some new guild? Lol.

Number one guild in GW1 for a while. If you played GW1 you would know them

This is GW2, anything previous means nothing.

u are asking who are they.. and he’s telling u its not a new guild. and here u are shutting him with this stupid statement of urs

kefro.9312:

JQ has the bandwagon so if they lose 1st day they will start transfer mark my words

yeah agree… SBI needs to get back to 2nd place in total points.

so they shld be a portal area in Jumping puzzle too :P

R E F L H E X.8413:

If people goto the jumping puzzle thier spot should be taken in wvw and they have to reque to get back in from the jumping puzzle portal.

agree but they have to make Jumping puzzle another dungeon.. so ppl can q in

i feel the the real reason that ruin wvwvw is Jumping puzzle >.<

dont worry u have the ultimate commander Brewha from xRx in JQ to make u a powerful server.. who once claim to make HOD a better server for 1week when he xfer there for a week.

@MikeB.3857

HOD wont be NSP.. isnt that what others have been saying ??

i feel for u.. i wont troll u but i truely feel how u r feeling now

Archaos.4953:

To whom it may concern,

HOD will likely win this match for the same reason it has always won previous matches: higher off hour population.

Individual player skill and guild coordination will only get you so far in Guild Wars 2. Given the choice between highly skilled guilds and off hours population, off hours population wins every time. The departure of TA from Henge will merely highlight this issue. Numbers during the early morning, particularly during the weekdays have always been Henge’s main strength. In the last two match ups ET has beaten Henge during the weekends (when we have some night presence to field) and generally will lose ground during the week.

Even absent some of TA’s guilds HOD’s night capping will generally win out on points.

Beyond that JQ/ET must focus what player resources they can on Henge if they have any hope of gaining a significant enough point buffer to make any difference.

That said the server match up system provides no tangible rewards beyond bragging rights and has the effect of at least providing for a more competitive pvp environment which at the very least is far more entertaining than spawn camping ghost town servers.

These issues are ultimately up to Arenanet to address. Many WvW/RvR games have developed counters to these issues: Off hours buffs to under-populated servers and “reinforced modes” to prevent or limit night capping. In Warhammer Online it was literally impossible to capture empty zones, as player kills in the zone were the major source of points towards zone flipping.

http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/69726-final-destintion/

for u to read. and to say ET beat Henge during weekend i will LOL. everyone knws whats going on.. stop lying to urself . but all over again its a good fight..

@ outdatedkero,

fyi, 10/16 ex TA guilds are still in HOD .. do not call victory so fast.. its still the 2nd day of the match.

But to be honest.. its a good game this match up.. hope everyone enjoys the intense fighting.

Below attach is the latest score.. Nice job all servers

hates gona hate .. as always

next stop.. Beastgate or Kaineng or EU server :P

Anet did say b4 spies are allow when many reports were on ET spies on opponent server

PS: Im lazy to dig the thread out but u can find it urself.. its deep in this forum

than who is going to pay for the guild reset influence?

they give directions

the first week donst have board ranking how u knw u used to be no.1 ???

Lol. U guys always think overnight is stupid.. Than who are we fighting? Go check how big the Zerg is during the night. N how full the server is b4 giving false info

Lets say after TA breaks up than another alliance become first.. Den u come into the forum n whine again.. than u ask for them to break up again.. and the same thing happen again.. so tell me whats the difference ?

Kracin.6078:

ta isn’t the whole or even a huge part of HoD. HoD is a huge bandwagon server that gained popularity from the TA videos that they put out… it was a great PR move… make an epic looking video to attract as many people as possible. bring your mostly european/oceanic/asian pacific guilds over to an NA server and advertise that you are some sort of great set of players.

and then the rest falls into place when the bandwagon hits like a rock.

sorry to say TA, but you guys said it yourselfs, you aren’t a huge force, and you didn’t carry GoM anywhere, because as soon as TA left the server, so did all your bandwagoners lol. you are simply a commander icon on a map, attracting massive pugs.

or the “nice” word you guys gave them… militia lol

lol get ur facts right.. i bet u need some history lessons :P

boobzooka.3521:

ritsuko.2863:

boobzooka.3521:

put it simple

If what they said was true, SYN and PRX would had long moved to a smallest server, and made that server #1.

but you know what? Farmers don’t care. Who’s the ones making the wave, and which are the riders, purples will show yall.

HoD was one of the 3 lowest populated servers at launch, it’s now #1.. Your point?

actually, I’ll give you couple points

1. HoD population was low only during 3 day early launch. When I finally got 80 and moved at end of week 1 (or was it beginning of week 2), it was already high/locked

2. You made a good call to mesmer portal golems at the right time on tue to retake SM. You deserve every bit of credit for that, but that has absolutely nothing to do with your guild or alliance, or all that nightcapping "strategy"you talked about.
Or let me rephrase that. You would of gotten the same support with or without SYN and PRX in EB that night. Everyone understood to get SM back by all means was the only way to come back on score, and we were (had been) trying everything. We fought in the lord room for 2 hours on that 1 siege kitten how much of that effort was made by your alliance?

3. since last match, you had declared you’d be in boarderland, and you had done just that. How have we been doing in EB this match so far, without you? and without your alliance? We been crushing them, in case you didn’t know, while boaderlands are only getting equal in early morning.
This morning, when we had 9 towers 2 keep and ALL supplies in EB, potential score was only 310 (and 295 at one point). Now answer me why was that? Where was your alliance and YOU in boarderlands?

we have been in EB all along… so wad are u trying to say ??

anyone knw other sites calculator tat is up to date and can be used ?

ive tried making my own condition/chill built but the gw2skills site is down =.= otherwise i would like to share with u n see if u can giv me some advice to make improvement :P

Keldrath.4735:

soji.1475:

HellsPriest.6745:

I personally would suggest for you to stay with us. Think about it, other servers ARE getting better. Good enough to beat us? lol no.

LoL this is a joke right? HoD got smacked around so hard for 3 days straight when the server rematched happened in the weekend. TA is crap… I see guilds like PRX, RMA , Armata, TRG… getting steam rolled by puggers smaller than what they run out in the field. You might be organized as a whole alliance etc or server… but to kid yourself that all the Asian/Oceanic or whoever is doing your nightcapping is saving your sorry kitten from falling of your high horses. So until TA can prove they can win without all them nightcappers over the weekdays yeah you guys are nothing but a big joke with just a lot of people.

Lets face the facts that your prime-time is mediocre at best. I find it kinda funny a lot of the HoD prime-time people take all the credit away from the very people that are making you guys the number one server…which is the absurd amount of asian/oceanic players you have in WvW when majority of the players are asleep. Infact the guilds that aren’t even in TA are probably the most organized out of all HoD.

Anyways you should change what you said to “Think about it, other servers ARE getting better. Do they have enough Asian/Oceanic players to beat us? lol no.”

Yes, cause holding slightly less than 1/3 of the points over 3 days on a weekend while getting constantly hammered on two fronts is the definition of “getting smacked around.”

@soji,

No bloody server can take up 2 server facing against them.. It’s not easy.. Look at Jq.. After getting focus by sbi n hod in last week match… They went straight down.. Look at all other server did get pound 2v1 … No server can even try to attack at that point of time.. N if u look at hod getting pound kitten couple of days n still fighting back sitting at 160pts – 180pts.. It’s already not very bad.. It is they did not complain abt it but they keep fighting.. On Monday.. American time.. Hod got Sm frm sbi.. And when sbi n et attacking Sm from both side.. Fail to get it back.. They start to log off.. Think… When et vs SOS n IOj.. They have superb strong oceanic presence.. So where is the presence now? Don’t get blinded by rage n shoot ppl down for no reason.. Unless u are a troll.. Than u shall continue

Ppl stop n think … Y do u guys keep blaming on hod night caping? Look at previous match.. When et vs SOS n IOj.. Et was full of oceanic crew.. But I’m not too sure abt sbi.. I knw they have oceanic crew too.. Et population is medium but they have high concentrated wvwvw players.. Ruin alone can fill up 2-3 maps.. With AA oceanic guild.. It’s 4 maps now.. So u should ask them y did they not log in to def ???

Ppl will still complain about hod when they put 2 factions

Invisible army = rendering issue.. Mesmer portal is tactical use

the system is not broken.. its the players tat are broken

@derek

Agree.. 5way battle

long b4 the game has launch.. ArenaNet said wvwvw is a 24/7 game.. if u like it buy it. :P many ppl proceed to buy.. TA prepared for the war.. when the game launch.. those who night cap others were happy abt it till they get their retribution when facing HOD.. so now here it goes.. they said its unfair .. they said HOD has imbalance population.. they said HOD everything bad abt HOD..

I remb most of the poster said.. “24hrs match are worthless. lets wait for 1-2weeks matches and we will knw who the true victor is” now none of them is victorious.. so here comes another saying from the poster “1 week match are worthless to play.. the only the 48hrs match are worth to count victories” g

guys are u trying to tell me u are using ur own kitten to slap ur face ?

its not the designer tat need to face it.. ppl who cant accept tat Wv3 is a 24/7 format are the 1 whinning abt imbalance n change..

Igolbug.7295:

I find JQ a challenging server but not tier 1, they were behind a lot at potential points all weekend.

They definitely had a zerg last night during oceanic though, I thought CD had a good oceanic pop but we don’t hold a candle to JQ.

but i heard JQ complaining abt Oceanic presence

the difference here is the passion to win and play to win :P Henge has a grp of organize team that are playing to win .. and of cause, “Passion to log in” u have to set this up in ur community too.. so dont drag anet into this :P

this is tactic …

my mates are still willing to guard the dolyak even theres no exp.. So the exp off thingy is not a problem.. is the attitude of the server.

Smallpoxx.6935:

HulkaGem.2568:

nice exploit by RUIN from ET.. Climbing inside lowland keep through the wall..

Try looking in the bottom left and seeing the under water gate is broken and they went in that way.

Edit your post b4 everyone sees.

Then leave EB so i can get in.

dude.. the gate is all up.. he ran up infront of me 2 times..

can someone explain to me how this guy climb over the wall.. i dont remember a skill allowing a Engineer to climb over the wall into the lowland keep.

this guy climb over the wall into lowland keep.. obviously lowland is not breach.

I don’t think he’s from hod.. We had a low lvl ruin gaming char in eb Yesterday, we took a screen shot of him and stalk him till he port out of eb.. He is there doing gathering n standing Along the path frm Klovan to golanta.

Prec/ condition DMg/toughness.. And a mix of carrion set… And rampager if u want

Get 4 piece from ruins of Orr.. Mixed it with carrion and rampager pieces.. That shld do the trick