Great find! and it works in dungeons as an added bonus.
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Whether or not something has a build on meta battle is irrelevant, it DOES have a use for PVE. It has a range longer than the Scepter and can be great for spike damage, projectile absorbtion, field combos. The DH spec was designed for PVE, transfers well over into PVP. Stop taking other peoples works as law and actually do some yourself.
I asked you previously, can you get a Legendary weapon from PVP itself? The answer is still no. Unless you can 100% get a weapon from PVP the answer is always no. Buying it outright with gold makes you no different than those who outright buy via gems to gold.
WVW IS PVP. The game has PVP and PVE, the focus is PVE. This is a PVE game that has PVP.
Renegade will be a PVE spec with a ranged Condi weapon which the Rev has needed since it was first released, thus addressing an issue (though why it takes a new elite to address such an obvious oversight I’ll never know). Will that transfer well into PVP? Probably. Does not mean it was designed for PVP.
Condi Rev in PVE is a good class to run, your opinion on it is irrelevant.
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WVW has been a bad idea from the start, trying tomeld PVE and PVP. They tried that back in GW1 and it was a failed idea then (making it so you couldn’t access UW or FoW unless your realm/server/etc was winning at PVP). When you take a stroll through the forums and read various topics regarding WVW, and how over-excited they get at even the slightest bit of attention, sort of shows you how bad it is.
Do I really need to get into how dumb meta groups or spreadsheet warriors are for raiding? Pretty sure the Scrapper is raid viable easily, people just don’t want it because their spreadsheet tells them it’s “bad”.
You’d be surprised as to what Anet would be fine with for a ridiculous amount of time (such as underwater combat, or the fact only two Rev legends work underwater, or the lack of a second underwater weapon).
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Yes, hilarious how easy it is to put down trolls in the Rev forum who love nothing more than to claim Rev is crap without doing testing themselves.
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What doesn’t make sense? Defending the Rev from people who don’t either play the class, or hate it because of PVP reasons, or think it’s crap because their spreadsheet tells them so?
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No, the thread got derailed because some people just literally cannot handle anyone defending the Rev in any way whatsoever, or crapping all over their precious spreadsheets.
PVP will always be irrelevant in a PVE game, especially when it comes to discussing said classes in a PVE setting.
The only ones in denial are those who look only at spreadsheets and not the game when deciding if they think a class is viable, you should learn the difference.
Gyro finishing enemies at range…..hmmmm…..now where do we see enemies that we need to use finishers on in PVE….oh right, those toxic sylvari maybe? orrrrr maybe it’s just a side bonus with the real focus being ally reviving? Does not prove it’s aimed at PVP, it just transfers well.
Guardian has “transfer boons + gain boons when reviving ally”. Your point?
Impact Savant is great for breakbars, I have a Scrapper build that uses that along with Daze runes.
The elite spec is designed to change the Engineer from a ranged Power/Condi build with either grenades or bombs to an upfront in your face Hammer build. It can be pretty tank with Marauders gear and combined with all the blocks it has, very very good for soloing.
Does it transfer well to PVP? Yes from what I read of more than one topic claiming it was “too OP”. Transferring well to PVP does not = designed for PVP.
To the OP, sorry about the whole hijacking thing. Condi is viable in general PvE and even in raids it’s looking to be a viable build when you focus on dmg.
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Nothing I’m saying requires coordination of TS/guild groups. If you think SoI is a 30 second CD that rarely happens, no you don’t know how it works. When a Chrono casts SoI 4 times within the first 10 seconds of a fight and then twice every ~20 seconds, that’s plenty of time to prime them with whatever boons you feel like if those boons last more than 5 seconds. Whether you like it or not, there is a meta of 1 druid, 1 chrono and 1 PS per subgroup. This is both a pug and a guild group meta for the most part. Sure there are minor deviations but that doesn’t change the fact that this already covers all the boons you discussed. Can other groups clear without that comp? Yes. Does that mean it’s good advice to tell a new player to ignore that meta? No, because it’s the most common one to run into.All the meta condi builds can provide might while pulling off their rotation. Regen and fury can happen with most of them as well. Rev isn’t special here. Overloading fire is part of the rotation for condi tempest and gives might. The shout heal is also aoe heals if needed. PS warrior has might/fury with FGJ which is part of their rotation. Blood is power for reapers gives aoe might. Blasting might is easy at the start when red is invulnerable. Using a pet tiger is easy fury. Swap to a jaguar for easy might if you want that. Healing turret, healing springs for regen or signet heal for Necro are easy group heals. There is nothing special abouts the boons you are talking about. You aren’t enabling the other condis to focus on DPS if they are providing their boons through a normal rotation or pressing #6 when they feel like it.
Actually it’s perfectly good advice to get people to ignore the meta, otherwise they’d never try or test anything for themselves and just assume somebody elses work is right and anything else is wrong. That, is how we end up having such toxic “meta” parties. A new player can come in, play with whatever they want and see if they can make it work, rather than just doing nothing and waiting for the next spreadsheet.
I’ve never stated the Rev is special, I did however state (repeatedly) that Rev being there means they don’t HAVE to pulse their boons, they can DPS easier and worry less about “must do this to put boons up”. If it’s part of their rotation, then it’s up even longer or easier with a Rev via F2. Change the thinking, making life easier.
@OP unfortunately, when you start saying the Rev is good, somebody ALWAYS has to come and say “no it’s kitten”.
I’d say their designs pretty solid, jack of all trades, capable of filling any role and pretty kitten versatile
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The only thing embarrasing thing that’s happening here boy, is how desperately you’re grabbing at straws, or anything really, to show GW2 is focused on PVP too. It’s not.
It will always be a PVE game, first and foremost, 100%.
PVP is irrelevant – get over it
The next spec is not PVP related nor is it anything about it. Dragonhunter was not PVP related, they are always PVE related because Devs had previously stated they were interested in getting new weapons for different classes. Your opinion on the Scepters performance is irrelevant because it doesn’t matter about PVP. Rev has needed a ranged Condi weapon for some time now – again irrelevant to PVP.
You talk about melee DPS but ignore my point – they are moving towards a Condi heavy meta and have been doing so for sometime now. Your PVP is irrelevant.
You cannot get a Legendary in PVP, a weapon, by doing PVP alone. You don’t get it. There is no track for PVP. I’ve already stated you can get gold or mats, but not the thing itself. There is a journey in PVP that gets you the precusor and then you mat farm. You cannot get any Legendary weapon by PVP alone nor would you – PVP doesn’t matter. It’s a side game at best.
Get over it, your PVP doesn’t matter
Stop using “spreadsheet” as an excuse for not testing things yourself. If you don’t even know how often chronos proc soi, that’s a red flag of you don’t know what you’re teammates are doing. I know qt word isn’t final. As far as I’m concerned, the dps meters (which also include buff uptime etc) in real raids are what matter. I’ve done off meta builds. My herald had two ascended axes with sigil of air/strength depending on if I needed to proc more aoe might for my team.
“Proof from over a year ago”
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Raids-Burnzerkers-Meta-40-higher-damage/page/4#post5908768Testing is fine. I’m not against it and do it myself regularly. The problem is people like you who seem to only understand what rev does without the context of a team. Telling someone Condi rev can bring might at vg red for example…
Condi tempest buffs might. Condi engi blasts might. Condi ps keeps on psing for might and fury at red. Even Condi necro gives might. Condi rangers are just as versatile as rev as they can swap pets to bring whatever boons are needed. What’s so unique about rev at red vg here? You can even send a power ps to red and the group will be fine with remaining ps buffing 6 other people.
The path of frustration is that testing builds is really expensive and it’s disingenuous to tell a new player that rev is fine and will be accepted in pugs easily when most pugs won’t. The recent patch has changed this…maybe. No thanks to you saying condi herald was already fine.
If your team is mostly power, you obviously drop sun spirit instead of frost.
Pretty sure you’ve gotten confused, again.
- I do test things myself, I tell people all the time here they should test for themselves and not go by somebody elses work and be a spreadsheet warrior. Learn to read perhaps?
I’m well aware of how Chronos proc it, but then you seem to be flipping between a raid team that’s fully aware of each other, on voice, 100% team work and co-ordination, and a pug which won’t have any of that. So which is it?
If pug, it won’t have that level of co-ordination and familiarity so they won’t have the timing right to prime.
Spreadsheet warriors are the type of people to exclude classes based on a % in a spreadsheet. “Oh this does 1% less damage, not viable, boot”.
Me? As far as I care, if you can do your class well and you know it, it’ll show. That show means I know you won’t be a hindrance. If you’re the type of person to boot people based on meta speed runs (which btw, don’t matter, nobody cares if you’re going for a speed run unless you specifically state and want it) because they do x% less damage, you’re dead weight to me. Why dead weight? Because if some dynamic changed in a raid boss tomorrow, you’d be the type of person to wait until somebody else did the run successfully, video’d, provided a breakdown and new spreadsheet for best DPS before you went and did it yourself.
I’ve built my Rev around team context and solo (3 sets of Ascended each for a different purpose with the main being a mix of Assassin + Commanders to ensure 100% Crit on myself and 100% Boon uptime for myself + team). I know what I’m doing, how to test, make builds etc.
Again, well done for not only not understanding but you even take it further by taking my statement out of context “can provide might at red vg”. You realise Condi Rev + Mace #2 + 3 = what? Oh, right…Might….
Wonder what else Rev can pulse at that point….oh yeah!
Regen
Might
Fury
F2 for longer duration + several boons at once
Thus….enabling other Condi(s) to focus on DPS and not boons.
Testing build is not expensive, you can test in full exotics because you know there’s roughly a 5-10% difference at most when using full Ascended.
Any pug that discriminates based on somebody elses spreadsheets, deserves every wipe they’ll get.
Oh! And this………… nails it and I preach it all the time. While I do appreciate the work and effort the QT folks and others do this is key:
“Thirdly – they even state to not take their word as bible. “You don’t need maximum DPS to complete”.”
have fun people, that’s all. :PWhile I totally agree that you can clear any content in the game with any class, it’s still important to be realistic about our game/community…
People like Nerfing are dangerous because they come on the forums talking about how Condi Rev is great, and you can tell people that you’ll keep up fury and protection, and dps doesn’t matter because the people that follow the meta are spread-sheet-warrior-idiot-qT-fanboys. And that’s great. But the thing is, the only people who are going to take anything away from that are new players who want to get into raiding, and it’s just steering them down a path of extreme frustration.
Experienced players know Rev can pulse boons and they know if they’re static raid is going to want to bring it for whatever crazy reason he gave like, “Your druid can focus more on healing…” The problem is the newer players who see it, and then proceed to waste their time/resources decking out their Rev in full ascended only to hit the raid scene and get laughed out of LFG because threads like this make it seem like people who follow the meta are a small-elitist minority of the raid community, when it’s really the other way around.
Right, I’m dangerous because I tell people to think and test for themselves ,rather than just believe somebody elses work and never think for yourself. Although as others have done, you clearly can’t read. You can’t keep up Prot as a Condi Rev, you can as a Support Rev (big clue, they’re worlds apart in builds). Can you keep Fury up? Yes, easily. Did I state DPS doesn’t matter? No. I stated you don’t need maximum DPS .
There is no path of extreme frustration if you actually take the time to experiment, learn and prove your ability. Certainly no frustration in dealing with spreadsheet happy time wasters if you just cut them out entirely (and as a bonus, you’ll enjoy the content more).
Condi Rev was fine before the patch, it’s even better now. The only people who do follow the QT spreadsheet blindly IS a small elitist group. People like Narc et al are the issue, refusing to accept anything that doesn’t match the spreadsheet, and anyone who encourages people to try outside the meta must be met with just pure BS in a fit of blind panic.
@Joxer, you should ignore Narc or anyone else like that and test things for yourself, because all you’ll hear from them is “Rev is bad because xyz” or “my spreadsheet tells me so”.
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Revs do need priming. Entire raid groups need priming to reach their max potential. The ranger/druid, chrono, warrior combo is really freaking good at priming the entire raid groups damage.
If you are talking about hammer DH, that’s replacing one of the two DPS slots.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/6ch3ot/qt_updated_benchmarks_for_all_classes_may_16_2017/
Hammer guard is at ~24k.
Condi Rev is at ~31k and would go higher with moving targets.
Condi reaper, ranger, thief, engi and tempest are in the 33-40k range.
The better question is why replace one of those DPS classes for a hammer guard when the druid can swap to stone spirit? Swapping frost to stone is losing 7% power damage but most of the condi builds… do mostly condi damage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWthrLV0sts&feature=youtu.be
For reference, about 78% of the damage done is burning for condi ele. 7% power buff isn’t much there.If you are taking Rev, what are you replacing? The chrono that already provides alacrity? The protection from stone spirit? The tiger/warhorn? The might/fury generation of a warrior? If you replace one of those classes, your group DPS drops off like crazy. Like entire sub squad loses 20-40% damage. Realistically, you are replacing one of the two DPS slots. Don’t try to replace those 3 support classes.
Condi rev… with salvation and herald traited so that they can heal, perma prot and alacrity isn’t doing the 31k DPS of a focused condi dps rev. Not even close. If the only place your example is viable is Red at VG, that’s a really weak argument because that split is easy for 2 pure condi dps to kill red before 8 people kill the other two.
Ok so first off – I do not follow QT meta nor do I go by other peoples work, nor am I a spreadsheet warrior so their benchmarking is irrelevant to me.
Second – in their own words, they have not even bothered testing Hammer Guard nor Power Rev. In the previous meta, they even stated they did not test Condi Rev. People are taking their word as law and not even bothering to test for themselves, when they aren’t even testing all the variables?
Thirdly – they even state to not take their word as bible. “You don’t need maximum DPS to complete”.
When facing quite a few of the raid bosses, Power is still favoured over Condi so if you drop Frost then you are losing that DPS. Keep it and use Hammer Guard then you have Prot + DPS at the same time with 0 cost.
Rev replaces whatever is needed, it’s a flex-pick when done correctly. It can do Power, Condi or Support. Doesn’t matter which.
Again you are really getting confused so i’ll bold it for you:
I am not talking about mixing Condi AND support AT the same time
I’m talking about (at Red VG for example) you having Herald with boon support on a Condi build (full Vipers) alongside one other Condi (two at max) so nobody loses their boons and thus lower DPS when away from the main group.
Do you understand now?
30 second base. 24 seconds with the trait. 18 second cd with alacrity. There is also the inspiration trait that procs soi on an 18 second cd as well. They double cast soi in cs f5 then 2x out of it. So 4 times with the cs combo then 2x 18-20 seconds after. Repeat 2x again then repeat f5 combo. Over the course of ~75 seconds it’s ~8 soi.
10 seconds of fury and regen and 6 seconds of prot per soi cast. Each phantasm is 6 seconds of regen every 3 seconds. This is not a build focused on any of those boons. It’s for quickness. Those are just side products of a good chrono. Rev boons are literally useless because no reasonable group isn’t going to have a chrono doing this. I’m not saying rev can’t in other situations but in raids, there is zero reason to do it because the chrono can basically solo upkeep if someone primes them.
Traited stone spirit on a magi druid with rune of the monk is 81% protection uptime minimum. Obviously goes higher if they have more boon duration. Yes the spirit dies but again, chrono soi covers the rest.
If regen is applied by someone with high healing power (minstrel chrono) and other people are healing when they shouldn’t be and pressure is low then no, druids won’t build up ca fast because there is nothing to heal. If there is nothing to heal, you can’t go into ca every 8 seconds (alacrity) to buff gotl. I’m not saying I’m unable to heal but dps buffs suffer in uptime.
No you don’t have dps with 100% prot. At least not good dps. Try it on a golem compare out to the 30k of a pure condi rev I just linked. And again, it’s unnecessary with a good chrono and druid.
And if they aren’t primed, then it’s not as good. Whereas Rev, doesn’t need the priming.
Why would you trait for Stone spirit + Prot when you can have a Rev do heals + Prot + Alacrity with a Hammer Guard giving full Prot 100% of the time and the extra DPS of Guardian? I think that’s where you might be getting confused. I never stated 100% Prot with Condi Rev – just that Condi Rev can provide boons + damage at the same time for the Condi team at Red for VG for example.
I’m not saying regen is bad at healing. It’s bad for other classes to apply it if they aren’t your druid. If you overheal people, then the druid doesn’t gain astral force and can’t heal as well. Let your druids apply the regen so that they can charge up CA faster. I also almost exclusively heal training runs as a druid so I’m not talking just spreadsheets here. I hate when other classes try to apply regen when I druid. It is easier for me if you don’t.
Regen, like quickness stacks to a max of 5. What determines who’s regen stacks make up those 5 stacks are duration (not healing power). After duration is decided and 5 stacks of them are in place, then healing power matters. It doesn’t require a spreadsheet to understand how Chrono regen works.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Illusionary_Inspiration
A single phantasms from a 100% boon duration chrono applies 6 seconds of regen every 3 seconds. 3 phantasms is 6 stacks regen which already hits the cap of 5 stacks. At MINIMUM, regen needs to be at least longer than 6 seconds to overwrite the Chrono stacks. Signet of inspiration applies 10 seconds of regen. Ideally the regen is longer than 10 seconds to override both. Ventari can’t even reach 10 seconds. The max duration a Herald can hit is 8 seconds with 100% boon duration. If you are running a Ventari regen build, the max you can hit is 6 seconds. Don’t bother. Literally, don’t bother. No amount of try hard elbow grease is going to override Chrono regen unless your chronos are severely lacking in boon duration.Basic druid rotation is start with staff 2. Sigil of concentration quickdraw warhorn 5. Go into CA to buff/heal. Leave and cast the second warhorn 5 and back to staff. It’s an easy rotation. I do it all the time in raids. If I can’t bring a warhorn, Fern hound or traited healing springs is plenty of regen. Other classes/rangers can provide the fury while the Chrono shares it. You providing fury doesn’t make the Chrono rotation easier. They still need to cast SoI and 2x SoI is 100% fury uptime if someone else primes them. Tempests don’t worry because the trait is 100% passive. Doesn’t require a warhorn to use it. Stone spirit+SoI leads to basically 100% protection uptime. This isn’t just spreadsheet math. It’s what I see on boon uptime with BDGM.
I’m not denying that Rev/Herald can support. The boon support you are talking about is redundant at best and completely useless/detrimental at worst in raid comps that have a Druid/Chrono in each subgroup. If you are spamming Ventari skills, you aren’t doing the full potential DPS a Rev can do. Kain has it right with how to support on Rev. Embrace the unique stuff that only Condi Rev can do.
If you are going full Condi then yes, but as pointed out with my example – you can combine boons + Condi easily.
Druids can easily get AF regardless of the regen applied, I’m not sure how you struggle there? I’ve run Druid in raids more than enough times and have never had any sort of problem quickly gaining it back irregardless of other regens?
How often are Chrono’s going to be using SoI? with a 30 second recharge?
Rev can apply it constantly and increase said duration so that Chrono doesn’t actually need to do the regen?
As with my example, you have DPS + 100% Prot with a lot more ease than the spirit plus theres no need to worry about range either.
Regen from Herald is bad in raids. Like Chronos have “200% uptime” of regen from running inspiration. And druids have to deal with out regening the Chronos (requires boon duration gear) in order for their regen to bypass the Chronos. The benchmark to beat is 10 seconds or longer of regen. Since the herald facet is only 4 seconds, it’s impossible for a Herald’s regen to matter in raids. They also have the lowest healing power compared to druids/chronos so why bother?
Warhorn for druid applies both regen and fury so even if I’m not running a tiger, fury is covered. FGJ from warrior is also ~40% fury uptime. Once a chrono has fury, they can basically supply perma fury with double SoI. It’s really not that big of a deal. Protection is in a similar situation with double SoI although not 100%. Both condi and power tempests should be bringing this trait:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Imbued_Melodies
which improves all boon time to the group and applies protection in a completely passive manner. Last thing about protection is that most subgroups are either condi or power. So in reality, you can bring stone spirit with either frost or sun spirit based on your group. Helps a ton if the group is casual. 7% power DPS loss in a condi group compared to a Herald draining their energy on protection instead of DPS…. I would take stone spirit any day and just ask the Rev to focus on DPS.Frost spirit and druid warhorn are also like 12 stacks minimum of might from a boon duration druid. PS should be able to cover the rest.
TLDR on raid buffs: Have your druids play better and go full DPS condi revenant. Trying to do buff and dps on a Rev is a literal waste of energy and you do neither well once you factor in what the rest of your group is doing.
Ele’s condi DPS drops off a lot in raids for mobile bosses because the fields last a long time and while positioning really matters for condi ele. Condi Rev doesn’t have to care at all about moving bosses as the fire field is super short duration and torment does double damage for moving targets.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/6cdg55/condi_revenant_stationary_target_realistic_309k/
The torment is like 11k~ which will double up to 22k on moving bosses so ~40k on moving bosses while other peoples DPS drops. Embrace the DPS and welcome to the club of classes that can DPS on their base class without elite spec power creep. Any future elite spec is now icing on the cake of build diversity.
It’s not about spreadsheets on whats the best – it’s about making it easier on your Druids. Regen can heal even an tiny insignificant amount – but this can keep somebody alive for just a few seconds more which sometimes makes ALL the difference.
Warhorn for both Druid and Tempest assumes they are both not running Staff (and the timer for switching is how long?). You wouldn’t want to be off Staff too long for Druid unless you were covering with AF.
Not sure why you seem to think Herald would be draining it’s energy providing multiple buffs? Can easily provide 3 buffs alone for Ventari form (Regen, Prot + Alacrity if needed) as well as heals at the same time. Their Protection rate is superior to the Spirit in that it can be constantly applied without worrying about a timer AND they apply Regen AND heal all in one go. If you had a Hammer Guardian in the other subgroup that’s a full 10 party Prot upkeep right there. Ele wouldn’t have to worry about it and go full DPS, Druid can focus easier on healing (because less damage incoming) and not worry so much about Fury.
You can have your Rev build AROUND what everybody else is doing to prove DPS and Support with boons at the same time. Let’s say you have tank go to Green (on split), non-condi majority stay at Blue and 2 maybe 3 at most go to Red for Condi.
Condi Rev would apply boons, staff #5 for CC and DPS support the other Condi(s) making it a lot faster and easier when splitting. It’s all about how you apply your knowledge and be flexible in the situation.
Yes clearly nobody wants 33% DR, or for the druid to focus more on healing than upkeeping Fury, or for the Chronotank having more time to focus on what DPS it can slightly add or ensuring their timing is good rather than making sure boons stay up.
Revs provide boons, CC, and now more damage with Condi.
As the person previously stated, ignore the meta speed run and actually try things.
- They really don’t… Nobody cares about getting protection in raids, and even if they somehow really want protection, one of the druids can just run stone spirit instead of replacing a top dps slot.
- If a druid can’t press f2 every once in a while (can even be while they’re casting other skills), you don’t want them in your raid.
- Giving 33% extra duration doesn’t let the chrono “dps more,” since they should already be capped at 100%… It’s just useful if the chrono isn’t wearing correct gear, which once again, you probably don’t want in your raid.Look, nobody would love to play their Rev in 100% of the raid encounters again more than me, but trying to bluff and beg your way into raid spots with a much inferior class isn’t what this game is all about. And while it’s easy to scoff at the people who follow the meta like blind idiots, the game has made it so ridiculously easy to swap classes via sharable ascended gear/infinite free Tomes of Knowledge, it’s sort of silly not to.
Druid should be running Frost or Sun spirit, and they may or may not be running Tiger (could be Moa or Wyvern). I’ve ran as Druid quite a few times so I know how easy it is to upkeep as a Druid, but the same thought always in my head – it’d be a lot easier to maintain and focus on healing if I didn’t have to F2 every 10-15 seconds so the party has Fury. Sure it’s not the main or sole provider of Fury, but Rev makes it easier to supply Fury AND Protection AND Regen AND Might at the same with, with the F2 on that making it easier to maintain.
If you don’t want a buff that makes it less work for your healers to maintain your health (especially for squishies), I’m not sure you understand the point of DR.
If you have a Rev, your Chrono doesn’t have to be capped at 100 – Rev makes it easier to maintain buffs. That’s the point.
There is no bluffing or begging. If you encounter a spreadsheet warrior raid group, drop them and get a proper group who aren’t dead weights. I have 3 characters geared for Raids and only my Rev has multiple gear (Hammer Guardian, full heal Druid and Rev with Heal/Condi and Power/Boon duration). You can get groups as a Rev and you can run them yourself.
Rev is in no way inferior, which is what I’m trying to get across to some people here.
New condi ele build topping 50k dps. Condi Rev will NEVER be taken at this point.
A condi rev can offer more then just dps.
True, however other classes do too and do it better as well.
I disagree revs are more versatile then that.
Condi Rev going for dps is taking Mallyx/Jalis (Corr/Dev/Invo) tho, so aside from breaking bars and providing the not-good-in-raids group resistance, what utility do they have?
Lol stop following the meta so much and you will see.
The only reason you’re here right now is because you’re “following” the meta. If you’re not following the meta then there is little reason to concern yourself with performance of said class, you;d just be out there playing it.
Point being, there are higher dps classes that are more in demand and currently played. On that reason alone there is no reason to take a condi rev in a raid.
More in demand IF you follow the meta. If you don’t then it doesn’t matter.
If you are only endlessly pressing buttons to fill a rotation, then you do not actually know what you’re doing. You are just button pressing, not learning.
Im not sure what i am supposed to do/learn in gw2 pve when the game plays itself for me, it is a walk in the park. I think you actually havent played a hard game at all like Metro 2033 on ranger hardcore or Dark Souls on ++++++ which makes all casuals cry and uninstall.
Done Metro, good game but then once you know AI pathing and reactions it gets a bit easy to game it. I’m not interested in DS but I’ve seen my fair share of people play it.
You learn your class, what it can do and what it can’t, how you can push the limits of it, experiment with builds, traits, gear. Do different things in different situations.
Literally use your imagination and see where you end up. Ignore what people say about “this is / is not viable” and try it out.
Revs are anything but in the mud, seriously learn to build and play Rev properly before commenting.
PVP is irrelevant, PVE is the focus of the game. PVP has it’s own balance area + team (hence the splitting of skills).There’s nothing to learn from PvE Rev, since PvE doesn’t require any sort of adaptation; most fights (including those “raid solo boss” videos) requires nothing but to endlessly repeat the same small chain of skills. Suboptimal chain rotations oftenly delivers success, only at slower pace.
For Revs the competitive modes outside WvW raids (PvP, roaming, duelling) are based essentially in the same unique build which was available since HoT release (power Rev with Shiro Glint), which became increasingly harder to play after 18 months of nerfs in a row. This part does require adaptation, because builds and tactics from other classes do change, whereas the rigidity and unflexibility of the utility skills from Revs and the small pool of weapons available prevent players from being creative, so our legs are sunk in the mud.
There’s a year and half of Pro Tournaments, ESL events and different competitions to prove my point. I must add that I’m not particulary worried about this, but I find reprehensible the attempts to sugar coat the reality from some people.
If you are only endlessly pressing buttons to fill a rotation, then you do not actually know what you’re doing. You are just button pressing, not learning. That is not mastering a class, that is not adapting, that is not being flexible which is what a Rev is.
PVP is irrelevant in a PVE focused game, your comment is irrelevant.
Pro tournaments and ESL (which failed) is again, irrelevant. PVP does not matter nor does the input of PVP matter.
The only point proven is that you don’t know what you’re doing. Rev is a great class that you and others do not want to admit.
New condi ele build topping 50k dps. Condi Rev will NEVER be taken at this point.
A condi rev can offer more then just dps.
True, however other classes do too and do it better as well.
I disagree revs are more versatile then that.
Condi Rev going for dps is taking Mallyx/Jalis (Corr/Dev/Invo) tho, so aside from breaking bars and providing the not-good-in-raids group resistance, what utility do they have?
Lol stop following the meta so much and you will see.
Okay, so you go Glint for utility, great…!
Now your dps is even lower, but at least you’re providing protection (nobody wants), fury (druid’s already doing this), and boon duration (incase your chrono was lying about his gear being capped.)
Yes clearly nobody wants 33% DR, or for the druid to focus more on healing than upkeeping Fury, or for the Chronotank having more time to focus on what DPS it can slightly add or ensuring their timing is good rather than making sure boons stay up.
Revs provide boons, CC, and now more damage with Condi.
As the person previously stated, ignore the meta speed run and actually try things.
If condi rev was viable then they wouldnt buff him in the first place. You dont make any sense at this point cause even devs found condi rev to be subpar choice, unless you consider yourself to be smarter than everyone else ingame, including devs with access to data?
Devs have buffed or nerfed things before without it being strong or weak, your posts are irrelevant at this point.
next expac Revenant gets bow with ranged condi. Already leaked.
I known, and we are at least at 5+ months away from the next expansion, so this patch (and the one in February) didn’t change anything in terms of PvP, dueling or roaming. Both Ventari and Mallyx aren’t the strongest builds to that facets of the game.
ANet is just buffing things that no one uses, as signet Guardian and so. Of course could be worse (some specialization keep getting nerfs, but Rev isn’t in a place in which there’s room for too much nerfs. Is already living in the mud.
Revs are anything but in the mud, seriously learn to build and play Rev properly before commenting.
PVP is irrelevant, PVE is the focus of the game. PVP has it’s own balance area + team (hence the splitting of skills).
Devs try to buff underused things for what reason? Oh that’s right, to try and get people to use them. Revs do not fall into this category, the spreadsheet warriors need to catch up.
Hey anet! Power rev was trash too!
The buffs are mostly condition PvE oriented (yes, that spec that Is Nerfing Time calls “fine”). I think that roaming/PvP condi Rev is still crap because still lacks stability, condition cleanses and any sort of condition pressure at range.
It is fine (more than fine, it’s great), and has even been buffed with latest patch.
Your problems are always PVP related and therefore irrelevant as PVE is the focus of the game.
Lmao. These condi buffs were mostly pve focused cause condi rev was far from fine.
You do realise Anet buff or nerf for different reasons (some needed, some not, some make sense, some do not). Your personal jaded opinion due to PVP is irrelevant as I said.
In PVE it’s a great choice, now it’s become a bit stronger.
And yet, most of the changes were pve focused cause condi rev sucked balls in pve so they had to buff him due to the upcoming condi elite spec. Condi rev was far far away from being good in pve prepatch, now who knows.
In your opinion, you mean. Condi Rev did most certainly not suck. As I said, PVP doesn’t matter.
It was a viable and good choice, Rev has had 3 choices – Support, Condi and Power for awhile now.
Your problems are always PVP related and therefore irrelevant as PVE is the focus of the game.
I have no problems with neither PvP or PvE Revenant: I don’t even need to do damage in PvE and PvP has a single playable build which didn’t change in a year so doesn’t require any sort of adaptation. Rev is one of the best -if no the best- hunter/gatherer class in a grind oriented game; the changes are wellcomed but aren’t particulary useful for me.
Rev is pretty good at doing different roles, just depends on what you want to do and how adaptable you can be, alongside of getting used to the Rev being able to do that.
Changes won’t always prove themselves to be useful (I personally would have preferred Quickness to Alacrity on Ventari but hey, can’t win them all)
Hey anet! Power rev was trash too!
The buffs are mostly condition PvE oriented (yes, that spec that Is Nerfing Time calls “fine”). I think that roaming/PvP condi Rev is still crap because still lacks stability, condition cleanses and any sort of condition pressure at range.
It is fine (more than fine, it’s great), and has even been buffed with latest patch.
Your problems are always PVP related and therefore irrelevant as PVE is the focus of the game.
Lmao. These condi buffs were mostly pve focused cause condi rev was far from fine.
You do realise Anet buff or nerf for different reasons (some needed, some not, some make sense, some do not). Your personal jaded opinion due to PVP is irrelevant as I said.
In PVE it’s a great choice, now it’s become a bit stronger.
I’m curious, why the Jalis hammers? You could increase your DPS with Herald via boons + popping F2 / Elements. To my knowledge, hammers wouldn’t do much for a Condi build?
We’re talking in a raid scenario with buffs from 4 other teammates. Glint seems to underperform when you can take invocation/devastation/corruption instead of herald. The hammers do a surprising amount of damage in full viper especially with the buffs from devastation.
For pvp or wvw I would definitely take herald over devastation and potentially switch invocation to retribution.
For any non raid pve I take invocation/corruption/herald.
I’ll have to give this a try myself
True. But that statement opens a can of worms about “viable” and “meta” and “popular opinion” that I don’t want to really get into :P
Let’s just say that condi rev has been very un-popular up to these latest changes but that now has the opportunity to become more popular. =)
Nah ignore the “meta” and “popular opinion” statements, go with what you want and try new things.
Hey anet! Power rev was trash too!
The buffs are mostly condition PvE oriented (yes, that spec that Is Nerfing Time calls “fine”). I think that roaming/PvP condi Rev is still crap because still lacks stability, condition cleanses and any sort of condition pressure at range.
It is fine (more than fine, it’s great), and has even been buffed with latest patch.
Your problems are always PVP related and therefore irrelevant as PVE is the focus of the game.
I’m curious, why the Jalis hammers? You could increase your DPS with Herald via boons + popping F2 / Elements. To my knowledge, hammers wouldn’t do much for a Condi build?
Rev does not need to zerk to be DPS – it can be Condi and even received some Condi buffs in the latest patch.
What works in a group is dependent on the GROUP, not the class. It’s been like that since day 1 and continues to be. If a class or build doesn’t work, it’s because the scrub group you’re teaming with doesn’t know how to play. Assuming that you NEED something in specific is making the kittenumption that Anet designs the encounters for a specific composition. That’s not how GW2 has ever worked.
That’s the self made conundrum though… If you’re in a non-scrub group, they’re probably all playing meta classes in meta builds (or something very close.) When you see people playing something crazy, like Condi Rev, there’s like 99.9% chance they don’t even know the basics of the encounter, and even if they do, you’re group’s going to be slow on the DPS.
And if you’re using a wild class choice and failing and blaming it on your group being scrubs, don’t you think that maybe if you played a class choice/group comp more optimal to the fight, they might have succeeded? Because while no composition is REQUIRED to clear any content, there’s certainly ones that are better. Why would you want to do a bajillion core phases on KC when you could just play your tempest and bring a PS and a Chrono and a Druid for max buffs instead of trying to 10 man condi-rev it?
I should add that this is speaking strictly from a PUG perspective…
The perception that Condi Rev is “something crazy” is quite the problem I’d say. It’s not – just the perception is. The assumption also of “99.9%” is interesting also.
I know in Overwatch it has stats on how many hours you’ve put into a Hero. Here you do have how many hours on a particular character created but not quite in the same level of depth. Maybe something like that would be a great thing to have trackable so you could tell if the person playing the class has lots or little experience.
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The day people stop being spreadsheet warriors and waiting to copy-cat other people, and actually start doing some work, they’ll realise the problem with Revs was their mindset, not the class.
Like what? Making up a build that noone ever used before? I am pretty sure those who care enough have done lots of work towards that direction without any fruit , it’s not like the class encourages that though. Shots fired.
I’ve been running some build noone else uses for ages along with meta ones, trying to adapt to the situation but what’s the point. And if you say PvP is dead then why do they balance classes around it hurting PvE as a result?
The Rev is somewhat limited when compared to other classes because it’s the only one with locked-down skills, but on the flip side has 6 skills rather than 3 on the bar with the legend swap. Versatile if you know what you’re doing.
You don’t need to make up some magic build for the Rev, just simply be good at what it does. Attacking and defending at the same time, timing your CC, watching the fight, your enemies and allies and knowing where to plug the gap, what to do and when. Spacial awareness.
They don’t entirely balance around PVP as much as they used to thankfully, it was a 100% gigantic mistake to ever do so. They should have done a total split of skills like they did for GW1, but I have little faith in the balance team to actually be competent here.
PVP is dead, that much is clear if you take a stroll through the forums and lack of players alike. Hell if I can go to the mists and encounter 3 – 4 players tops at a “busy” period when playing for 8 hours to get my legendary, (and yes WVW is PVP), that’s pretty dead too.
Honestly, take a read of the PVP forum if you haven’t already – it makes for interesting reading when you consider how hard Anet was pushing for e-sports with PVP (that died)
Nerfing, if your goal is to show all the pugs that the spreadsheet warriors they look up to and copy are wrong, you’re going about it the wrong way by posting in the rev section. You, or someone just as stubborn as you, needs to make a few videos of revs in raid groups with explanations of how it’s meant to play and function as a part of the team, showing what it brings which other classes don’t, and post them in the fractals, dungeons & raids section. You’ll find a lot more of the “it’s not meta crowd” over there, the people you feel need some convincing.
I prove people wrong by playing it in those situations, doing damage and providing more than ample support/boons etc at the same time. For the most part as far as I’m concerned and have pointed out before, the meta crowd are dead weight and a waste of time because they only believe their spreadsheets.
Ignoring what other idiots say in the Rev forum, it is capable Condi, Power or Support.
Just like any class. Except for it doesn’t excel at required lvl in any of them.
Famous for what, PVP? PVE? If PVP then irrelevant, GW2 is a PVE game with some PVP.
If only few actually cared about PvE more than they do about PvP. Besides there are far more famous iconic players in PvP.
Noone is gonna raid with revenant nowadays, unless it’s their guildmate (and they still prefered a thief tho). I also see less Rev roamers (especially solo) on WvW lately, since I am back to GW2 1 month ago. Can’t say anything about SPvP because I simply had no motivation to play it like I used to but afaik my buddies list is lacking revenants.On the side, nevermind. Noone is gonna read these forums anyway kek
The Rev is a sort of “jack of all trades” in a sense, it can fill any role. I’d rather have that level of flexibility than a one-shot-wonder class.
I’ve never heard of any PVP’ers for GW2 nor would I expect to. PVP in this game is a sideshow, a dead sideshow at that. You only need to wander into the PVP section and take a look at the posts of “PVP is dead”, “ESL xyz”, “what the feck Anet – balance?”. You can easily see how many of them talk about these “famous” PVP’ers and how they’ve pretty much all left.
End of the day, PVE is the main game.
The day people stop being spreadsheet warriors and waiting to copy-cat other people, and actually start doing some work, they’ll realise the problem with Revs was their mindset, not the class.
Pug mentality is too inflexible for my liking but Condi Rev has a damage ceiling 25-30% lower than Condi Ranger and is much harder to reach that ceiling thanks to Torment. So it’s not viable for pugs. The thing about pugs is that you don’t know or trust the people in your group to do their job. So assuming equal skill between a condi Ranger and a condi Rev, why go for the lesser option? I think this approach has a lot of negatives, but it’s wholly understandable and has nothing to do with being mindless or speedclearing. It has to do with overcompensating as much as possible in order to get the smoothest kills.
As for how to change perceptions, it’s pretty easy, Nerfing. Prove condi Rev is good, using video proof, dps logs, guides, etc. Necro post minion nerf was trash in raids, until it was proven it’s actually competitive provided you can spin to win in your fields. Minstrel Chrono was a meme, until it was proven it was actually pretty good for progression teams and super safe comps.
By that mindset, why assume competency and skill on any class that’s seen as meta-viable if you’re in a pug?
The speedclear approach is a bad one and a wrong one, especially if you aren’t the one who originally came up with it and thoroughly understands it. If you’re just copying (which a lot of pugs do) then you aren’t going to understand (or care to learn) why.
As said earlier, I prove by doing. I prove by playing, in-game, where it matters. I’m fairly certain if I did all the videos etc, I’d still have morons going “rev not viable”. I’ve had it a few times when doing pugs, and yet they got mad when I was the one doing the damage and reviving them.
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Take a good long look at the people and their posts, they are immediately writing off the Rev in any state and their reasoning is this:
“it’s not meta”
That’s it. As if somehow, in some magical universe, being meta is what matters. These people play in spreadsheets, they don’t play the game. They don’t play because they can’t, they rely on somebody else to do the work and then they copycat. I have no patience or general “niceness” to people who are just lazy, incapable or unwilling.
Pugs don’t like Revs because somebody else said so, those pugs are wastes of time because they wouldn’t know what they were doing nor have the ability to adapt in a new raid or fractal, or any kind of content.
The major issues Rev have when it comes to raids for example, is a bad name. A lot of people just base it off of others work. They have issues in PVP which is also brought over into PVE sadly. Peoples attitudes are more the problem than anything else, which is what has to change.
I have yet to see or meet anyone who is a spreadsheet warrior who has actually tried Rev, who isn’t a waste of time. The day begins with people explaining and showing, and defending the Rev, that’s how you change minds. You also don’t waste time with those who can’t think.
In terms of Raid bosses and not moving, you can move some of them around (VG for example you can keep moving continuously around the center circle). As stated before, Torment when faced with bosses who don’t move at all does have a slight downside but that’s why you have more than just one Condi to apply as a Rev.
I have considered to join any kind of group, no one wanted a revenant as DPS class. For sure After trying and trying you May find a group, but again spend more time to find a group instead of playing is not something funny, since with another classes you can be instantly accepted.
And is not about speedrun group.Actually I exagerated with the magi thief thing, but is to make you get the point, that you seem to not understand.
As a 10th player of a raid squad you can litteraly play everything, because 9man are already enough to kill easily any raid encounter in this game (maybe only samarog on cm is not).
You can play even d/d celestial ele or rifle Warrior or what you want. But the fact you can get a kill with it doesn’t mean you are playing a viable DPS, you can use it, Yes… So is USABLE.
You are playing a VIABLE DPS BUILD when you can get AT LEAST more DPS than supportive classes, and supportive classes (aka cps Warrior) Will always outdps both power and condi revenant (taking in Mind everyone know to play his class) and other players have to make up for the DPS you are missing.
USABLE: you can play it, provide mediocre or terrible dps and get the kill (every class can listed here, even magi thief)
VIABLE: you are providing actually more DPS than supportive classes
OPTIMAL: mostly get top DPS vs other classes or builds
So Yes condi revenant is usable, but not viable and this is the reason why no one want it.
While maybe Power revenant can be viable in most of average groups (while get carried when all people in squad know to play their class well)
You can not care about speedruns (i don’t care about them) but if your are providing poor DPS as a DPS class you have to know that someone else in your group have to make up for it.That said I have nothing more to say to you. I already said I think every class can be usable in raids, but i think condi revenant is not viable while you think it is.
Every One have his point of you I don’t want to change my, since I trust I true, and you seems don’t want to change yours so gg.
I’ve never had the experience you have, people do not seem to discriminate against choices in the groups I join (but then I’m more selective and don’t waste my time on dead weight speed runners). They are the only type to say “no we don’t want Rev as it’s not meta”.
You didn’t exaggerate with Magi Thief – you made exactly the point I said you would, as others do.
You’re misunderstanding the difference between usable, viable and optimal.
Usable – anything
Viable – anything that can complete content comfortably
Optimal – Anything that has been meta-data-crunched for speedrunning.
Condi Rev is viable, regardless of your opinion on the subject. Regardless of any majority opinion on the subject (quicknote, majority opinion does not equal right).
Rev is never carried if the player knows what they are doing. I’ve carried groups in Fractals as Rev simply because I can survive and DPS. How much DPS you do is irrelevant if you can’t live. If you know what you’re doing, then you won’t need anyone else to pick up the slack because you will be providing the DPS.
As soon as you stop misunderstanding the difference between usable and viable, you’ll realise Condi Rev is viable.
Past week. I have 250li and kp of every boss,even 3cm.
I tried to join a lot of group and every group asked me to reroll. Only One allowed me, on trio, to cc Mortars lol.
Do you trust me or I have to start posting screenshot?
Instead when was last time you tried to join a pug group?I can put on a full magi set on my thief, Camp staff auto and get my dps carried by other 9 people in the group, and kill every encounter without any issue!
Yay magi thief is viable!Please man….
Have you ever considered that maybe, just maybe…….you’re in the wrong groups? If you try to get a class not accepted by the meta speedrun squads, accepted, it wouldn’t work? Maybe don’t go for the usual groups?
Maybe it’s just my personal experiences, but I’ve not had issues using Rev for Power, Support or Condi in raid groups. I avoid speed run groups though so maybe that has something to do with it?
And oh look, the fallacy I stated earlier rears its head. I stated quite explicitly that because you run something not viewed as accepted by the meta squads does not mean that something that makes no sense is viable. So thanks for proving my point for me!
Condi Rev IS viable, just not accepted. It does not get carried.
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Still 99% of Groups on lfg Ask you to reroll if you Ask to play as condi revenant.
So it is usable, that means you can get a kill using it, while you can Also get a kill in 4players.
It is not viable nor accepted since close to no one allow you to play it.Again the fact you can play it with your raid team means it is usable, not viable nor accepted.
You know most people out of here that pugs raids doesn’t want to wait 2h to find a group in lfg that allow you to play revenant, while they can find instantly a group with any other DPS class.
And I’m not being pessimist or negative or call revenant trash. The fact you can’t find raid Groups on lfg with revenant is not even my opinion is a fact.
You can have your point of view about what revenant can provide to your group, but mayority of the players think it is not worth to give a DPS spot to a revenant. And this means revenant’s players can’t find a group, that means it is not accepted, that means it is not viable.
So we can stop here to talk or we can go on Forever to say it is or it isn’t viable but in the while in lfg no one Ask or accept revenant (if not as kiter for Deimos and cairn).
But at least I suggested something to help revenant balance while you are only saying it is already ok,thing that is obviusly untrue since benchmark DPS for condi revenant seems to be 24k while for the most used class start from 30k and go higher.
Apparently you don’t seem to get it.
Condi Rev IS viable, it’s just not accepted. Two different things as explained – do I need to go slower on this? 99% of groups is also a laughable claim, and if you don’t have enough of a backbone to tell people you’re going Rev regardless, you shouldn’t be bothering.
The fact that some pugs have speedrun mentality does not mean something is not viable, just not accepted in speedrun circles.
2 hours is a laugh, you can find one quicker than that – when was the last time you tried exactly? It’s not hard to find a raid group, or put one together yourself.
Again, not accepted != not viable. Something can be viable but not accepted. Do I seriously have to explain that one again?
I’ve stated before, I’m not against Rev buffs – I’m against people claiming the sorts of things you are right now (that it’s not viable).
tl;dr?
It’s viable, not accepted. They are two different things. Stop relying on meta-speedrun-garbage groups to ascertain if something is viable – use the thing to determine if it’s viable.
i.e. can it complete the content without issues? Yes? Viable.
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Yeah, I was gonna say the same about Staff 5. Best break bar we have. I do trait for fury 40%, so more Valkyrie is probably a good idea.
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Believe me, I know the feel. I have full Ascended Magi, Vipers and a mix of Assassin/Commanders/Valkyrie for my Rev along with Bifrost. The grind was real.
Yeah ok so for you most of players that pug raids are Dead weight, and no one accept revenant because of that.
But still condi revenant is not accepted in pugs, that’s mean that at least in pugs is not viable, and this the reason why I made this post.Then you are free to play it with your raid team, but please don’t come here to say us condi revenant is viable, since me, and every other player that pug raid, can’t never get a group while on Power revenant, and this could be even worse with condi revenant.
Incorrect – those who only accept meta-speedrun tactics to me are dead weight.
Condi Rev is viable by the fact of being viable. Whether or not it’s accepted by others is irrelevant. Viable and accepted are two different things.
It’s perfectly possible to get a pug raid with a Rev, you just have to find a group who don’t care about speedrunning. It was no different back when the “zerk meta” infested dungeons. If you didn’t run zerk, find a group who didn’t care. Other classes/builds were viable then, but not accepted as everybody wanted quick runs.
@In nerfing time: as “competitive” DPS I mean the ability of a class to provide more or less the same DPS of other classes, to “compete” for get the spot in raids reserved for DPS classes.
And revenant is not competitive in this sense.
All’ what you say it’s nice, Yes rev help a lot. But in the end he does cover the DPS role, without gettin any near at other DPS classes. And have a revenant in party that make other supportive classes focus for more DPS doesn’t provide more sqaud DPS overall, if not all top guilds would run One, and you know what? No one run it.
Again I’m totally in the mentality of “play what you want”
But since me, and a lot of other players, mostly pug raids, 99% times when you try to join with a revenant people Ask you to reroll or kick you.
So to be honest we can easily say that for pug raids revenant is not even viable or usable, since no one Will accept you.
Just go with your condi revenant and try to join pug groups, people Will laugh at you kick you.Also what you mean with “other classes can focus more in DPS and less in provide boon”?
You mean change their rotation or change their gear?
Yes but competitive in that sense is still wrong. It’s still the mindset of somebody looking for speed run, whereas if you don’t and accept any class as viable (providing the person knows what they’re doing) you can do the content without any issues.
The “top” guilds don’t run Rev because QT said not to, that’s the sole reason. They are too busy playing spreadsheet wars 2 that they think the single speedrun meta way is viable and nothing else is, that’s why I wouldn’t waste my time with dead weight like that, because they have no ability to think. “go here do this in this way or else”, not even remotely a good way to think for a game.
If people laugh/kick, then they are dead weight who can’t think. It’s literally that simple. They’re the type of people who couldn’t complete ANY content without somebody else doing it first, recording it and spreadsheeting it.
If QT never ran their benchmarking and videoing and anything else, never released any spreadsheets for people, all dead weight speedrunners would never finish any raid boss, let alone a wing.
The guy above me did tests, although an imperfect rotation as he stated. I run Glint/Mallynx with pure Viper set, Condi duration/damage food, 4x runes of nightmare and 2x runes of trapper.
I lead off with Glint immediately then pop down Mace #2 for Burning, Poison treated Mace hits gives me 3x Conditions at that point, and I constantly move in the Field for constant burning. Throw in the Elemental drop, then Elite again when it recovers.
Your aim is generally to keep them moving in the Burning field, Might buff yourself with 3, and watch the damage go up.
Ignoring what other idiots say in the Rev forum, it is capable Condi, Power or Support.
Taking in Mind raids, running both condi or Power revenant make you Just cripple your squad.
If the numbers of the guy before are right, you do less DPS than a condi PS Warrior, that is a support class lol, there is not even a competition with other DPS class.
You obviusly can run and play whatever you want in Open Pve, fractals and even in raid, where in mostly encounters there isn’t any DPS check.
So revenant is viable? Yes it is, I mean litteraly everything is viable in this game.
But Is revenant a competitive DPS class in pve? No, is far away to bè any competitive.See – that’s the problem right there. It IS competitively viable. The problem far too many have is that they see “viable” as “kills 5 seconds faster”. Bringing a Rev is NEVER a detriment to the squad, ever. It allows squads to focus more on DPS and less on buff upkeep and spamming because the Rev handles it at once.
Focus less on speedrunning, more on the actual game. Speed running, how fast you do it in, doesn’t matter.
How 24dps benchmark is competitive? While Also mostly moving bosses would run away from your Fire fields and stationary bosses would not proc torment bonus damage, so real DPS would be even lower.
In the end the difference in time would be way more than “5sec”, time that open more space for mistakes and eventually a wipe.Then I, again, I really belive that everything is usable in this game, I mean you can kill all’ raid bosses without even bè in 10, or even running wired builds.
There were Also a group that killed Deimos with 10 revenant so trust me, I’m honest when I say revenant is usable in raid.
But if we talk about bè a COMPETITIVE DPS DEALER, then revenant is not competitive, and this not an opinion, it is a fact.
Also ok, revenant is a nice for boons generation, but that said we already have, in raids, 6 dedicated support classes (and 2 of them provide already more DPS than revenant) that doesn’t Need any help to provide their buffs.
I mean revenant only help with protection (since druids can already help better with might generation and Fury) where run a ministrell Chrono or a hammer DH would be a better DPS choose with a better protection uptime.So if someone want to play a DPS class, that actually provide a competitive DPS, there are a lot of better choices. So I don’t get why I can’t Ask for some DPS buff to revenant… Maybe you can explain that to me?
See the word “competitive” is a fallacy here (really should’ve pointed it out before). In PVE you don’t compete, in PVP you do. Viable is a better word, more accurate. Condi Rev is viable, same as other Condi classes.
On a moving boss, if you aren’t keeping it moving in your fire field, you are doing it wrong. It should be kept in the fire field and moving for full Condi damage.
Stationary bosses are far and few between (excluding World bosses), but regrettably they will be a DPS loss for your Torment.
It would not be anything like a wipe if the team is capable and know what they’re doing. The problem spreadsheet warriors have is that if they think you aren’t doing it their way, you’re auto-doing it wrong, you must be running a nomad xyz or something in their eyes “poor”. At the end of the day, in PVE it doesn’t matter who does it faster, you aren’t competing. If you compete in PVE, that’s on your own kitten and utterly irrelevant.
Revenant was my first 80, but after the Fall 2016 nerf I shelved it and leveled a Mesmer. Now I’m lonesome for my Rev so I went back this week and tried to re-learn it for PvE, and it’s hard. I’m not sure if I’m just a bad Rev, but there is absolutely no comparison between the survivability of my Chrono and my Herald. Chrono wins by a country mile. So I’m asking myself, what am i doing wrong?
I’m running Shiro-Glint with zerker gear and will eventually put runes on strength on, Sword/Sh and Staff.
When solo I’ll usually go Facet of Darkness + Facet of Elements, then initiate with Elemental Blast followed by Unrelenting Strike and Precision Strike. IF the damage is coming hard I’ll activate Facet of Light and if I’m about to do down I’ll hit Infuse Light.
If I’m still getting the kitten kicked outta me and I’m still up I’ll use Crystal Hibernation as fast as possible followed by Envoy of Exuberance for a bit of healing.
I have to admit I don’t change legends much. I’ve experimented starting in Shiro, activating Enchanted Daggers and then switching to Glint, but I haven’t seen much benefit out of it.
Any tips on getting better? Zerker gear makes me pretty squishy and I’ve gone down way too fast sometimes against some mobs.
Not too sure what kind of PvE you’re doing, but here’s a few kinda broad general tips:
1) Lose the shield. Outside of PvP it’s pretty worthless… Axe is king in PvE for the mob bunching and breakbar damage. Even if you really want some more iframes, offhand sword is a better choice since it lets you block twice as often—which is way better in PvE since you’re generally wanting to avoid specific high damage attacks, not a long barrage.
2) If you’re playing solo, there’s not really a big need to camp Glint. Since you’ve been running around with Darkness pulsing, you’re going to have like 40 seconds of fury queued up going in to any fight. So, you should really just use your Elemental Blast, then double tap Facet of Strength for it’s burst, maybe double tap Chaos if you want the aoe blast, and then swap into Shiro to impossible odds cleave everything down. Then back to Glint for the energy refresh and repeat.
2.5) If you’re talking raids, or Fractals (with a Mesmer), both Jalis and Mallyx will out dps Shiro since you’re already getting quickness. (and channeling hammers or embrace the darkness still leaves enough upkeep for Facet of Nature—whereas Shiro does not.)
3) Not all mobs you should be going toe-to-toe with. Generally, while in Glint, you should be out of melee range while you’re unloading your 3 facets, staff 5, and sword 2/3. After the enemy is softened up from that you can swap stances and go into melee range to finish them off.
4) Hardening Persistence is great for solo play… Sometimes even fractals. While you lose the free Infused Light and faster resses, it gives you a lot more survivability (400 toughness during Impossible Odds lets you trade hits longer when you’re going for an all out burn.)
5) Full Zerk puts you over 100% crit chance, and while Marauder is a dps loss since you lose ferocity, you can swap a few of your accessories to “Berserker + Valkyrie,” that way you gain some health while only losing Precision, not Power or Ferocity.
I only have one nitpick here, and that’s the Staff 5 is king for breakbar rather than Axe 5. Shield isn’t worthless either, it can be great for solo’ing champs if you need a quick breather and can’t dodge or block out of the way.
The way I personally play Rev is pretty much camping Glint and treating the second legendary as a second health pool with additional benefits depending on the situation. But that’s more down to personal preference than play style.
If he traits for the Fury 40%, then he can use more Valkyrie than Zerk for more HP without a loss either.
The guy above me did tests, although an imperfect rotation as he stated. I run Glint/Mallynx with pure Viper set, Condi duration/damage food, 4x runes of nightmare and 2x runes of trapper.
I lead off with Glint immediately then pop down Mace #2 for Burning, Poison treated Mace hits gives me 3x Conditions at that point, and I constantly move in the Field for constant burning. Throw in the Elemental drop, then Elite again when it recovers.
Your aim is generally to keep them moving in the Burning field, Might buff yourself with 3, and watch the damage go up.
Ignoring what other idiots say in the Rev forum, it is capable Condi, Power or Support.
Taking in Mind raids, running both condi or Power revenant make you Just cripple your squad.
If the numbers of the guy before are right, you do less DPS than a condi PS Warrior, that is a support class lol, there is not even a competition with other DPS class.
You obviusly can run and play whatever you want in Open Pve, fractals and even in raid, where in mostly encounters there isn’t any DPS check.
So revenant is viable? Yes it is, I mean litteraly everything is viable in this game.
But Is revenant a competitive DPS class in pve? No, is far away to bè any competitive.
See – that’s the problem right there. It IS competitively viable. The problem far too many have is that they see “viable” as “kills 5 seconds faster”. Bringing a Rev is NEVER a detriment to the squad, ever. It allows squads to focus more on DPS and less on buff upkeep and spamming because the Rev handles it at once.
Focus less on speedrunning, more on the actual game. Speed running, how fast you do it in, doesn’t matter.
You can add me as a friend, either by my account name or Rev name (Tobirama Lightfury).
I always run with Light, Element and F2 on. Soon as I get into a fight, I pop Might and Element for damage, then get Darkness up for Fury (I have 40% Fury traited so my build is 100% crit). This gives me regen at the start of the fight rather than trying to have it slowly build up during the fight, as well as reactively negate death-damage without the delay of activate > heal.
As you might’ve guessed, I spend most of the time in Glint, but tend to have a second legend dependent entirely on what content I’m doing or where I am. Mallynx if I need boon-strip on demand, Resistance, Blind or Condi-heavy heal. Jalis tends to be my most used secondary for heal + condi clear x2, his elite for damage reduction or the stability drop.
Ventari can be great for encounters where it’s slow moving and stable locations (molten core fractal for example, or VG raid). I can trait for regen + protection, and essentially spam heals, protect from ranged damage, condi clear and negate things so easily.
If you play Europe I’d be happy to show you sometime.
Rev is a great, flexible class – don’t be afraid to play around with it to suit your playstyle, rather than match yourself to the build.
It already is viable. Put down fire field and make enemies move in it, thus you have full damage Torment + Burning. Going full Vipers and using damage/duration food also helps, maybe trait the “Poison when applying Torment” for 3 different types of Condi on an enemy.
Condi Rev does deal more damage than people give it credit for, although I will say having Torment (in pve only) applying full damage anyway would be somewhat of a nice buff.
Necro is a primarily offensive class with little to offer in terms of support or party healing. It does have a variety of viable builds incorporating either power or condition damage.
Revenant has a far fewer builds, due to the way it’s Legendary Stances determine all utility skills. Also, the Rev is almost always going to be a power build, condi is just not as strong. However, the Rev can fill a wider variety or rolls in a party. DPS? Boons? Healing? Yes, yes, and yes.
So. tl;dr: Necromancer has more build diversity, Revenant has more roll diversity.
Not true at all, with Burning and Torment the Condi Rev is a pretty good DPS – too many people write it off too soon unfortunately.
@OP Definitely Rev for role diversity as others have said, you can go full Support, Condi, Power, you can combine some of the builds to make a tankier 100% boon uptime build (I have one that gives me 100% Crit, boon uptime, moderate tankiness)
Not sure why you keep on hammering away this nonsense at me. I’m not the one you have to convince that rev is a good class. As far as I’m concerned you are just a salty player who can’t tolerate people saying there are better picks than your main class. You’re approaching this whole thing like you’re trying to defend the honor of your family name or some crap haha. Protip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urcqQC02YbY And I just hear the same old nonsense every single time about how metas are irrelevant, revs are good classes, and people who say they have problems just don’t know how to play it. Same thing every single time. Starting to sound like Marco Rubio during a debate.
@OP Rev is great for OW and it is no better or worse than any other class. Rev is great for low tier fractals but so is any other class because of how easy low tier fractals are. If you just want to do OW and low tier fractals, then a Rev is a terrific choice. It does enough dmg, it is durable enough, has a good amount of i-frames, reliable CC on low cooldowns, and it can pulse a lot of boons that will help unorganized parties that won’t always have PS warriors. But if you ever want to do high tier fractals, a rev’s usefulness diminishes because the harder content gets, parties start becoming more tailored and engineered to fit a specific comp. You can certainly make it work, but as per your question, a guard is obviously the superior choice because it is considered a really strong class in the current meta and there is a higher demand for it than revs. People like Nerfing are just out of touch with how things are if they think that metas are irrelevant in games. There are metas in every online game. There are metas in LoL, WoW, Tera, DoTA 2, HoTS, FF14, Overwatch, and even fps games like battlefield and CSGO have metas based on what guns perform the best. And a lot of people like following metas because that’s what metas are- a general consensus that a particular game strategy/way to play is the most effective way. As other people have mentioned here, anything a rev can do in a fractal environment, another class can do better. Some of the best pve players in the entire game have tested every class/possible build against testing golems and have concluded that revs in their current state leave a bit to be desired. They back up everything with recorded footage that is accessible on youtube. On the other side of the debate, you have people like Nerfing who are in denial because they main rev and are just ranting “I am right you are wrong end of debate” without any shred of empirical proof that a rev performs on a competitive level compared to other classes.
You can’t convince somebody who is a failure at a class, who cannot play it and prefers easier spreadsheet-simple classes based off somebody elses work, on how good a class is. However what you can do, is make the person look dumb for not knowing what they’re doing, which is what I’ve done with you boy.
You’re nothing more than a salty failure, so bitter you weren’t good enough so you have to try and down talk anybody interested in the Rev or those who prove you wrong.
@OP ignore this moron, Rev can handle any tier of content. Any. Ignore the meta-sheep groups because you’ll spend more time picking them up off the floor then you will progressing through content. You’ll also get the wrong ideas about everything, as they will insist their way is the correct way because their spreadsheet said so.
The only one here in denial boy here is you. You have nothing but your spreadsheets and refusal to accept anything that goes against it. Your utter and complete failure at the class itself speaks volumes about your own abilities. You were not good enough, it’s that simple.
I’ve given my builds and experiences, there are videos of capable, real Rev players, handling any tiers of content, solo or in groups. There is your evidence boy. Coupled with the fact you can’t do Rev – you have nothing but somebody elses work to back up your opinion.
Sit down, you’re done. You have nothing but tears at this point.
I can tell your snowflake feelings are hurt, because you:
1) entered this topic in the first place
2) still here despite saying you were done because you can’t handle being proven wrong.
You’ll login, and run raids/fractals with the same group of people because you can’t do anything otherwise. If you ran a non-meta group, they’d boot you because they’d get tired of ressing you. They’d get tired of hearing the same old meta-crap about how what you do is right and everything else is wrong.
You don’t main Rev because you failed at it. You weren’t good enough to build or master it, so you went to an easy cookie cutter class. We get it spreadsheet sheep, you just aren’t good enough.
It’s the final nail in the coffin that:
a) you can’t stand my posts
b) I’m right
You know why and how? You have to try and insist on fail personal attacks because you have nothing – literally nothing, against my points. Hell you can’t stop responding so soon after my posts (obviously following it so you can furiously begin typing)
By all means continue to whine, rage and cry because you’ve been called out on your made-up personal vendetta BS against Rev. You failed at the class, go back to your own cookie cutter class and wait for the next update on somebody elses spreadsheet boy
No boy, spreadsheet warriors are not the best in the game. You are all cookie cutters, following what one person is doing all the way down the line. The people bothering to think, test and try out things, those are the ones who can be called the best.
The meta does not matter, the sooner you realise this the better. It does not matter if you kill things 5 minutes faster – why? Why does it actually matter should be the question. As long as people are enjoying the content, trying to do things different ways to not be cookie cutter, getting the job done, time does not matter.The only people who made early dungeon runs cancerous were your type exactly. Insisting on zerk meta only, insisting on a meta period. You were the dead weight and still are. You insisted on something you didn’t even understand, that’s why you were the dead weight dropping in 5 seconds. You spreadsheet warriors always will be.
The only one whining here, and has been from the start, is you and those like you. Your special snowflake feelings have been hurt because you have been proven wrong repeatedly. You can’t handle this – not my problem and I don’t care.
You are so delusional it’s almost hilarious – why? Because you can’t handle Rev being good, you can’t handle somebody showing it has 0 issues doing content and that toxic cancer players like you, are the issue.It’s time to grow up boy, and get over yourself. Learn to stop being a sheep following a spreadsheet and actually put some work into a character.
“People who bother to think and test” things… So you mean qt right? The guys who sink a lot of hours trying to find the most optimal build/skill rotation for a given class while bashing their heads against training golems for days and weeks? Right-o lad, they sure do sound like the best!
Again with the “time doesn’t matter” drivel. That is the epitome of lazy talk. Unlike you, a lot of people want to finish their fractals quickly because they just want to get the dailies out of the way. They don’t want to waste 20 minutes to spend on 1 fractals because there are scrubs like you in the party who insist on doing everything inefficiently.
People who adhered to the zerk meta during dungeon days were honestly godsends because they helped balance out the clueless inept players like you who would insist on joining dungeons with absolutely horrible gear. Not sure where you are getting the"meta players all drop in 5 seconds" rhetoric from. The ones who drop in 5 seconds are always the clueless noob players like you who don’t know how to play the game properly.
Absolutely hilarious that you think your drivel has hurt my feelings. I don’t care at all. At the end of the day, I’ll be logging in on the game and I’ll be running fractals and raids on a good class that people seek for raids. No one will ever say anything negative since I’ll be on a class that can actually do dps and has demand- all will be absolutely dandy. I’ll log in tomorrow to forums and no one will say a single negative thing about my main class on the forums. I’ll teeter over to the revenant subforum, and I’ll just see a plethora of threads saying revs need a rework and you just having a salty meltdown like you’ve been doing on every thread that is negative/critical towards rev.
And you have proven absolutely nothing but how inept of a player you are. You can wrap that sweat rag over your head and furiously type “I’m right you’re wrong” all you want, but delusional/wishful thinking isn’t going to change reality. Maybe it is you that needs to grow up after all. Still stuck in that adolescent rebellious attitude where all the grownups are telling you there’s a better way to do things and you are just refusing to follow their advice because “Boo hoo what does mom and dad know. I’m 15 and I know everything!”
And all those hours you spend testing too….oh wait no, you don’t test. You cookie cutter off somebody elses work and claim you’re good. Spreadsheet warriors are not the best in the game, that’s just fact boy.
The epitome of lazy talk comes from you boy, 100%. Refusing to test and accepting blindly what somebody elses says and completely unwilling to test yourself. That is lazy.
Unlike you, the majority of people prefer to finish their fractals and not have to pick up meta-sheep off the floor every 5 seconds because they don’t know what they’re doing. They don’t want to wait an hour because some sheep-moron has to claim they’re “meta” yet quite clearly are out of their depth.
The zerk meta was laughably bad, because you had all the sheep insisting on the same thing and never being any good at it. Cookie cutter builds everywhere all the same, and very few willing to actually use their brain and think. Godsends to people like you who just wanted the easy way out. Time-wasting dead weights to real players.
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@Nerfing Once again. Spreadsheet warriors go down every 5 seconds because you said so? Starting to sound like a broken record. Son, these spreadsheet warriors are the best pvers in the game. People spouting your “meta doesn’t matter” nonsense are the ones who try to drag a rampager necro into t4 fractals expecting to be carried. I’ve heard your drivel so many times during dungeon eras. “Boo hoo zerk meta doesn’t matter. My rabid necro is better because all zerk players do is die.” Players like you are what made early dungeon days absolutely cancerous since you guys were nothing but dead weight.
Wow that is a whole lot of whining. We get it. We hurt your little snowflake feelings by pointing out that there is a problem with your main class. You are making a joke out of yourself because you can’t handle the reality that there are better picks than rev. It’s okay though. Most of us who are disagreeing with you are used to this. We see delusional salty players wallowing in denial desperately trying to defend their classes in mmo games when they get nerfed or the proper balance hasn’t been given. Doesn’t matter to us one bit because we just laugh at players like you. We’re not the ones playing revs. We’re playing classes that are actually good and have demand. It just cracks me up when you say metas are irrelevant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
Stay woke my redpilled fedora tipping friend.
No boy, spreadsheet warriors are not the best in the game. You are all cookie cutters, following what one person is doing all the way down the line. The people bothering to think, test and try out things, those are the ones who can be called the best.
The meta does not matter, the sooner you realise this the better. It does not matter if you kill things 5 minutes faster – why? Why does it actually matter should be the question. As long as people are enjoying the content, trying to do things different ways to not be cookie cutter, getting the job done, time does not matter.
The only people who made early dungeon runs cancerous were your type exactly. Insisting on zerk meta only, insisting on a meta period. You were the dead weight and still are. You insisted on something you didn’t even understand, that’s why you were the dead weight dropping in 5 seconds. You spreadsheet warriors always will be.
The only one whining here, and has been from the start, is you and those like you. Your special snowflake feelings have been hurt because you have been proven wrong repeatedly. You can’t handle this – not my problem and I don’t care.
You are so delusional it’s almost hilarious – why? Because you can’t handle Rev being good, you can’t handle somebody showing it has 0 issues doing content and that toxic cancer players like you, are the issue.
It’s time to grow up boy, and get over yourself. Learn to stop being a sheep following a spreadsheet and actually put some work into a character.
That is blindly following a spreadsheet approach, especially if QT don’t even test everything themselves AND they blatantly point out not to follow their every word for obvious reasons. Too many people just want an easy ride, see what somebody else does, if it looks like it works – do it. The word, cookie cutter, comes to mind.
If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t be here trying to make up crap about the Rev just to suit your own needs. You played Rev, you failed at it. That’s fine, not everybody can play it.
You came in, tried to make crap up about how Rev isn’t good and got proven wrong. That’s what bothers you the most. So many people here call for Rev re-works, and do you know what the majority (and by majority, I’m talking about 98% here) play? PVP. PVP is irrelevant because for one – PVE game. For two, it’s a whole different animal when it comes to balance. So no, lots of people spouting the same crap is irrelevant as I said earlier.
This guy is still trolling? Oh boy, he must be really bored.
You still exist? Biggest troll on the forum right here folks. Burtnik can’t handle anything being said about Rev that’s positive. Another Rev failure right here.
This guy is still trolling? Oh boy, he must be really bored.
If the guy genuinely believes Revs are good, he genuinely believes that. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with it and I don’t know why you’re accusing him of trolling. It’s like you’re purposely coming back to this thread just for that simple fact.
Does it really bother you that much that you just keep coming back? We get it, Revs aren’t great in Raids and the Meta kitten aren’t going to bring them with. We kittenING GET IT.
Nobody gives a flying crap about whether the guy likes revs or not. If he really likes it and it works for him? All the power to him. The problem is when he’s trying to convince OP that rev is a good class that is perfectly welcome in the meta on all levels of pve, because that is a flat out lie. OP is asking whether he should build a rev or a guard. If OP only wants to do open world and low tier fractals only, then sure a rev is a great choice. It does enough damage and since low tier fractal comps are unorganized, they won’t always have a PS warrior. But if he ever wants to join the big boy club and do high tier fractals, then a guard will be a superior choice simply because it is in higher demand than rev. People in high tier fractals are obviously more experienced and have a better idea of what they are doing to make fights go quicker/smoother. This results in a high probability that a party you join will have a PS warrior, druid, and a chrono. Which means a lot of groups will look for elementalists, condi rangers, engineers, guardians, or any other solid dps class/spec that can easily surpass 32K dps compared to a rev’s 26K. And you can really thank raids for this. Ever since people figured out that it is amazing to have perma 25 might, str and disc banners, empower allies, spotter, frost and sun spirits, grace of the land, perma quickness and alacrity, they brought that straight into fractals.
I never said Rev was welcome in the meta, I said the meta is irrelevant because it is. The Rev is perfectly viable and fine for all tiers of play, which it is. If he wants to play raids or T4s, Revs are not discriminated against on a whole, unless you run into a bunch of spreadsheet warrior sheep. If he does, he’s way better off ignoring them and finding an actually competent group.
The only lies made here have been yours. Fractal parties as a whole do not care if you have a Rev or not. The only ones who do are spreadsheet warriors, the ones who go down every 5 seconds because they can’t adapt or learn their failures. They are the parties not worth the time for anyone other than spreadsheet warriors.
And now to further prove my point, you said and I quote directly here:
“people don’t want because qt said so”.
Blind, spreadsheet, sheep.
You then say you’ve seen vids of Rev’s soloing 100 Fractal, thereby proving they are not only capable, but good. This goes against everything you’ve said thus far.
Congratulations on tearing apart your own argument in two sentences boy.Oh and the reason why he sees all the negativity is from people like you. From PVP’ers and spreadsheet warriors who hate Rev because they were not good enough to master it, and because PVP has it’s own issues. That’s why I began posting in the Rev forum, so new players can see it’s just a load of BS coming from incapable salty players and the Rev is actually worth it.
Ah good for you to chime in my redpilled fedora tipping friend. Spreadsheet warriors go down every 5 seconds? Not sure where you’re getting that from. Is that so just because you say so? That is just a load of crap coming out of your wazoo because you are desperate to defend revs. I can just as easily say people like you who are anti-meta are inept players who go down every 5 seconds because you people don’t know how to play the game competently. And since I said it, it must be true right? The smoothest t4 runs are always the ones with these so called ‘spreadsheet warriors’ because they actually know how to do end game pve efficiently.
I have said several times that revs are not as bad as people make them out to be. And I have never mentioned that they are so bad that they cannot get things done. The fact that rev can solo fractal 100 cm is not an indicator that revs are good in any way, seeing how chronomancers with absolute potato dps can also solo it as well. It just means revs can get things done in the right hands.
Regarding qt metas, sure some people follow them simply because the best pve players in the entire game said that is the best way to play classes/specs. But a lot of people also follow them because after extensive testing, they’ve found that qt metas are an improvement over their prior builds. You can call that “blindly following a trend” but whether you like it or not, meta followers are everywhere because surprise! It turns out a lot of people like doing good damage! Mind blowing right? I mean, isn’t it so mind boggling that a lot of players prefer a class like elementalist that can outdps a rev by 2 times or a condi ranger that can do 10K more dps than it with a sloppy rotation?
The only salty person here is you. I frankly don’t care at all. Jesus I don’t play rev. I could care absolutely less about revs. You play rev. It’s your class that’s getting crapped on by people who share my sentiments towards the class. You can wrap a sweat rag on your forehead and prattle on like you’re winning some online debate about a game all you want. Crowning achievement of the year! Looks like mommy will be giving you lots of good boi points and chicken tendies. I am absolutely content because OP will be able to look at this thread, and any other similar thread in this subforum and realize that “Oh gee… 2 people are saying revs are good and everyone else is saying there are better picks when it comes to pve. Let me check some other threads on this subforum… Oh boy here are more people who are saying rev needs a serious rework.”
And I see you still can’t handle being called out on your BS, you just have to keep on returning so you don’t look dumb. Yes, you spreadsheet warriors do go down in 5 seconds because you don’t know what you’re doing outside of the spreadsheets, thus failure to adapt makes you squishy. The only ones who don’t play the game properly are players like you, the ones who wait for new spreadsheets to be available rather than actually get your hands dirty and do some work.
The smoothest runs, don’t make me laugh. I’ve been in more than my fair share of parties with players like you, certainly not the smoothest. No matter how much you cry for “meta only” or “xyz rotation + build + class”, it’s never a smooth run because the rest of us waste time picking you up.
Actually, that’s exactly what you and others have said this entire topic AND in many other topics, that people should never pick Rev no matter what. Hell, the only thing I actually agree on with you, is that in the right hands Rev can do anything. This applies to any class and almost any build. This however, does not mean Rev is not worth it otherwise.
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With all that’s been said, doing world boss trains + T1-T2 fractals would be fine on my Rev, yes? That’s essentially what I’m getting out of this.
I have no plans on fitting in with the meta as I did it with another MMO for 11 years. Also, as someone with a 9-5 job I also just want to enjoy time with my family.
I’ll end up leveling a (Not even sure what) casually. Currently have my Thief at 80 but I find soloing content quite daunting on it and running around grabbing Waypoints for WB trains seems like it’d take forever -.-
You’ll be fine for all content with Rev yes. T1-4 Fratcals, Open World, Dungeons, Raids.
If you’re not looking to be a meta-sheep then even better. If you play on Europe servers feel free to add me