Guild Wars 2

Littlefeather.8623:

What happened to the Maguuma that fought RE when we were on DH months ago? This seems like an entirely different server. And not in a good way.

The usual stuff when a bunch of people with varying levels of leadership experience, and only loosely aligned goals try to self-organize. Varying levels of frustration, interpersonal conflict, burn-out, boredom, malicious behavior, hurt feelings, etc…

Plus, since then was the rise to T3, floundering as bottom T3, top T4. Then, the frustrating time spent beating on T4, and the sudden “success” in T3, once we got there.

All that said, it isn’t that much different from when I transferred to Mags in January. There are still a core set of people who want to go out and have good fights, and enjoy the company of their realm-mates when they do it. Still an interesting mix of “big” and small guilds, with a lot of small guild players providing a good backbone.

GuardianOMS.8067:

Not sure how you guys can play with all the drama and egos it seems fills your place… sounds tiring.

Not sure how people think the forums and playing the game would be the same experience.

It’s funny, right? Because last night in public mumble there were a few folks doing their best to lead, even though they’re not 100% comfortable with it. They tried a few things against fortified keeps and greater opposing numbers. Although we didn’t get that keep, there were some great fights and a good effort. It was fun… All the time, both of those commanders were apologizing in public mumble for not being more successful, and taking the blame. Totally different atmosphere… In game, there seems to be a lot more humility than you would think, if you judged all of mags based on these forum wars.

robocafaz.9017:

I caught Kaineng guys using cosmetic hacks today. They were way more stylish than the game client normally allows you to. I’d post screen shots and videos but I won’t post screen shots or videos. Everyone knows you guys can’t color-coordinate so you have to rely on cheats in order to be fabulous. Good thing I can stomp all you guys in a 1-on-1 walk-off but every time I find you your entire zerg of people with matching hats comes and vogues all over me. Just goes to show how lame Kaineng is that they need to use an entire zerg just to out-catwalk me LOL

If any of you want to 1-on-1 vogue meet at the Fashion Club atop the catwalks of the Skritt tunnels at Northeast Mag BL.

Dying… Just dying…

2 drops of abyss and at least one midnight fire

GuardianOMS.8067:

If we have a conversation about fun vs skill vs points vs playing for first, second, third, will Raincrow come back?

I’m the most skilled, I have the most fun, I get the most points, I’m first and the rest of you have to fight for second and third. Like that, you mean?

Can’t think of a reason this wouldn’t be a useful and easy to implement change. It would also help chill out the back seat drivers. :-)

I’m looking for this, now. Although my guesting won’t free up for another 8 hours.

santi.7516:

Well, you guys usually are at 250k+ score on friday, but this time Mag is at 210+ on thursday, is CD and SBI improving or something?, because that’s a massive difference…

I actually believe that CD is improving. I also believe that CD and SBI have gotten more benefit in NA from the burst of additional players that the patch brought. I made a comment to someone on Mumble last night that everyone gained proportionately, but as I consider how things have gone over the past few days, I don’t believe its true.

That said… Gaining another 40k points in the next 34 hours doesn’t seem unreasonable. That works out to 1,111 per hour or an average PPT of 277. I’m pretty sure that’s still well within our grasp.

saiyr.3071:

Waffler.1257:

I thought Mag stopped trying?

It’s like people on our server have different opinions. Crazy, right? :P

I know you know this, but to reinforce your point:

We have people who don’t want to move up a tier and face even crazier zergs
We have people who just want to farm WExp
We have people who want to move up a tier for more challenging play
We have people who are just tired of this match-up and want something different
We have people who are just kind of burnt out in a more general fashion and don’t have it in them to be tryhard right now.

And those groups aren’t mutually exclusive.

We’re probably more fragmented and directionless as an overall server than I’ve seen us. Personally, I’m hoping we get a decisive points lead early next week and we can “focus” on getting tuned up, but… who knows.

I’ve been looking at the top 1…. I haven’t decided on it, yet…

Same on the fluttering birds. Haven’t noticed any discons.

Hadn’t thought of this. It’s a brilliant idea, though. Thanks for the suggestion.

zastari.1730:

I see Lynx is good at not playing on the same BL as D|ERP is raiding.

Which is interesting, because I’m fairly certain it also means that Lynx isn’t playing at Bony O’clock, either…

saiyr.3071:

Yeah, we have so many people in WvW right now that never play, it’s ridiculous.

My only consolation is that the other servers seem as full of fresh meat as ours did, last night.

Sovereign.1093:

p.s.s. I’m not saying you guys are weak or anything. You’re stronger than SBI and CD. So, cheers on that.

I don’t know… We feel weak and flabby lately to me. Weak during our off-time hours (We put up strong fights, but not enough substance to back up our dedicated folks, there.) Flabby during our peak hours. I’ve seen some amazing crisp play, but we are so bloated with fairweathers, fresh meat, and trolls that we beat ourselves as much as we let others beat us, right now. Oh well. :-)

CD, in particular seems pretty lean and strong to me. I just assume whenever I’m dealing with CD that I’m going to get a decent fight out of it. You guys should hold your heads pretty high.

MosesZD.7428:

By which you admit you win by numbers. It’s been obvious as a coal-pile in a ball-room you simply out-cover SBI and CD combined, but at least it’s nice for someone on Mag to admit it..

You think you just won a victory there? There isn’t anyone on Mag who doesn’t admit that and hasn’t admitted that… Yes. We have the overall better coverage. Of course, right now, I’m pretty sure that CD has the best coverage for this time period, given where our team is at on CD borderlands. Near as I can tell, SBI has been taking advantage of the fact that CD is busy. A wise decision. But all I’m talking about here is overall scores and coverage.

As far as actual battles… Sometimes we win outnumbered, sometimes we have total zergs get wiped… Is there a surprise there? My belief has been that our overall (including our general population) is a little stronger than on most servers. But that was possibly truest a while ago when we first hit T3. I’m not sure of it anymore.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

That’s because if we so much as sneeze at Maguuma, it seems like they empty out Lion’s Arch to come take everything back.

Not entirely true. Look at the past hour. You just sneezed at us a few times: took all the camps on MagBL, took some towers… We ignored you. But then you got greedy and went for west keep. We had to remind you that we weren’t asleep, just busy.

Marquiz.7625:

Well, golem rushing against a server in their non-existent time zone coverage and have enough time to fully upgrade it and stock up to prepare for defence doesn’t prove anything except you have superior numbers against a specific time zone.

CD took all of SBI BL but nobody came out to say anything, because that was what it was, we had more numbers and that was it, nobody was better or anything. So there was nothing to prove or gloat about

Pretty sure you weren’t there, based on this comment, since there was nothing I would consider a “golem rush”. Not that there weren’t a few golems. But that’s okay, because I’m not chest thumping here. Not really trying to gloat, either. I’m not particularly proud of it. In a lot of cases our execution was very poor. What I’m really noting is that this is something we haven’t been doing for three weeks. Yesterday we decided to tune up for our next match-up, stop the silly farming techniques, and bring back the cap&hold tactics. Seems like it’s worked out well, overall… And I was asking a specific person if his opinion has changed, since he’s now been against us taking it seriously vs. not taking it seriously. I’m sorry you were so offended. I’ll try to be clearer next time that I think no less of you or more of us.

Sovereign.1093:

Having fought both yaks and mag, I feel yaks is a bit stronger overall. So, if you guys plan to duke it out, better prepare more.

^.^

I didn’t get a chance to chime in here yesterday, because we were a bit busy proving our point on CD’s body, most of yesterday. I’m just curious if you still feel the same way, now that you’ve experienced Maguuma when they’re actually trying, instead of the messing around we’ve been doing since we dropped down to T4.

Non-Graphical score update:
Mag 144,855 (340)
CD 85,724 (70)
SBI 74,764 (285)

It’s good to see that we still have most of our CD holdings, with Commander Bony in a strong garrison struggle agains the usual [Awe] suspects. I imagine he’s greatful to Tsarazi for providing him with a change of scenery.

Avigrus.2871:

Eurhetemec.9052:

Avigrus.2871:

A few new MMOs coming out that i’m looking at… there’s a Dark Age of Camelot sequel of sorts.. that should be interesting since DAOC was one of my favourite games of all time.

Whaaaaa? What’s this DAoC 2-type MMO called?

I mean, GW2 is the next-best-thing to DAoC for me, but if there is going to be something even closer…?

It’s called Camelot Unchained… not sure of the details yet, but there’s some googling to be done.

Right now it’s a kickstarter project. So there’s a fairly long way to wait on that one.

Askavi.6534:

Can someone point me to where all this patch info is? Link? Anything?

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/march-2013/

X The Manimal.5293:

Hmmm, I gotta say I agree. Still though, I figured (before the content released) that small guilds would not be able to unlock much. So I guess for me it’s not as much of a bummer lol.

It’s not so much of “unlocks” or “doing the same thing as the big guilds.” The problem I have, related to this, is that there is no 2-3 player content beyond regular open world play.

rizzo.1079:

kokiman.2364:

Yeah, those stupid online games that force you to do group content (dungeons) with groups.

And I got through all the dungeons without min-maxing, learning about the dungeon beforehand or cheating with a group of regular players.

Yeah I know, I’m a sp only game player but my friends convinced me to pick this up and there are some very enjoyable aspects to it. I wish there were some solo dungeons, I’m a pretty antisocial person. Not to mention I feel bad holding a team back when they can pick up someone that has the dungeon memorized already.

Oh so it wasn’t frustrating to you when, say, red circles that you can’t dodge all the way out of covered the floor and killed you, while the other guys knew they had to hide in a certain corner to dodge those circles? Then, since you were laying there dead and couldn’t res, you didn’t have a chance to learn what exactly the mob even did to you? You battled through all the mobs instead of running past them because you didn’t know you should skip them to make the run bearable?

Obviously, from the OP, I’m not the only one with this complaint either.

Meh… You’re welcome to join me on any runs. I don’t have any memorized, either. I imagine there are plenty others like me. :-)

Jabberwock.9014:

Getting sick of cd. Eternally outmanned during NA hours. Honestly wish the oceanic players would leave so we could drop to a tier we actually belong (nothing against the players themselves, but it really is ruining the experience for us NAers).

Pretty sure you weren’t outmanned during the push you had against us last night during NA EST primetime in Mag BL. When I left around 9:30, we had about even numbers to yours and were working on trying to push you back out of WK. Your distraction teams were actually very good, as well. You made us sweat when we were trying to figure out where the golems were and where the zerg was.

Infernia.9847:

So, does anyone else see this leaderboard as a way to ‘reward’ achievement points and at the same time divert attention away from ‘not rewarding’ achievement points?
I mean at one point there was a discussion about rewarding achievement points with ‘something’ once they capped the infinite means of getting points. Then there was silence on the issue.
So is this our reward for our achievement points?

PS-I’m not meaning to divert this discussion about point disparity between new and old players.

What I recall is that they mentioned four things that they were going to do.

Add reward for dailies/monthlies
Update dailies so you can pick/choose
Cap infinite rewards
Provide rewards for other types of achievements, not necessarily laurels

So… I look at this as just another step down the path.

Edit:

Apparently Colin preemptively agreed with me. (I hadn’t noticed this and I guess neither did you. :-) Emphasis Mine

ColinJohanson.2394:

As we warned earlier this year, we’ll be closing out the infinitely repeatable achievements and capping them at a reasonable achievement number due to these rankings and the rewards we plan to add to total achievement points someday. These achievements will get capped with this release.

The other question is how long does it actually take to get those 20 points…? I know that a lot of folks are disappointed by content. To a smaller extent I am as well. On the other hand I keep thinking about the amount of balancing they would have had to do. First of selecting a set of skills that didn’t automatically end up OP. Then finding a reasonable power curve for each skill. Then play-testing. Then throwing or seriously reworking 75% of the skills. Then standardizing the point values (does 2 points in X give me as much overall advantage as 2 points in Y?). Then starting in on the experience curve…. That’s a lot of code to write and to rewrite.

Niim.9260:

You folks are very optimistic. Looking at the other types of WvW achievements I predict it to be something like:

Ranks 1-249,999: no title or benefit
Rank 250,000: lame title, ability to carry more siege and take less damage from siege

Not really optimistic… Perhaps over-analyzing the photo found on this page:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/march-2013/

Geikamir.6329:

Cowrex.9564:

Geikamir.6329:

You think you’ll like it, anyway. We haven’t actually experienced it yet.

Well, it’s always great to be optimistic, it helps a lot in experiences.

Optimism leads to disappointment.

It’s too early for me to piece out out, but there’s got to be a “Dark Side” joke in here somewhere…

Fay.2735:

Supply Capacity is far more costly than any of the other categories if you look at the picture just one bit in Supply Capacity is 20 points while the others are all 5 or so. So they do understand the value of more supply and therefor made it hardest to progress in. So you’d have to figure out what’s more of an advantage only a couple more supplies over a long period of time or putting in some points in other areas to help against siege defense/damage or against guards etc.

Trying to figure this one out, myself…. Do I go for something with immediate impact or wait and get the bigger bang for my buck? Do I spec for siege defense (increased siege damage), siege offense (increased siege damage) or personal offense (increased siege defense)

Cannons are the first thing to die in a siege, no bother to spec into those.
“Better balista…” Not sure the value…
And the 3 NPC ones would be fine if I ran solo and did yaks/camps. I don’t.

Started reading this with my crash-helmet on, expecting another one of “those” posts. Instead, ended up with +1. I’m still enjoying the game, and expect to for a long while, but… all of your points resonate to some extent. I do wish that you hadn’t, even calmly, trashed Robert Hrouda. In the end, it makes it personal and detracts from the thrust of your point, which I believe is:

Your dungeon content has no “middle ground” difficulty level for less skilled players.

Your point was made eloquently and bringing him in didn’t add anything to it.

Daendur.2357:

As I said, wvw is a parte of the game and it’s considered pve … best way to earn money is doing pve, CoF takes about 10 minutes and gives you almost 1g.
You can invest 10 minutes of your time and then upgrade your tower.

Just highlighting for the devs, who I can’t imagine believe that this is an acceptable answer.

Nozzie.2067:

I don’t blame you. As far as sending SoS to T4 goes, they have coverage similar to CD only stronger all around. Sending them to T4 would be beyond our control as they are comparatively strongest when we are weakest.

looks at the current score totals You were saying?

Well done, Yaks. Finish them off.

Maladon.5760:

You can get group vs group anywhere (including GuildWars2). I’d much rather have ffa. Then we’d see who’s competitive and who’s not.

Sorry… Coming from a rural community…

https://www.ffa.org/Pages/default.aspx

Attic.1562:

Remember what happened to your “Stealth is OP in WvW and I can prove it” thread?

Hmm…. The end of culling and a nerf to stealth…. Keep posting good ideas Xsorus. ;-)

TigerDragon.4037:

And yes, mistakes were made on both sides, but it was a purring-kitten good fight! I had a lot of fun with that one

I was the ranger on the first AC we built up top. It was an awful lot of fun until you guys took my toy away. And you killed my poor drake, Giggles!

If you’re talking about the same thing I’m thinking about, the numbers seemed much more even than that, from my side. Which is why you were able to wipe us when we first entered. We got lucky with a mes that stayed in and was able to portal us up to the top, really, and then a second force came in… So, yeah…. Maybe by the end it was at those numbers

Can’t remember who tried to party, though it was mentioned in mumble at the time, IIRC. Some of that fight was epic, but sometimes only by the fails (yours and ours, both)

rice.5376:

JaironKalach.4938:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Seriously, I know I suck on toast at PvP engagements. And i’m a ranger, so that’s two strikes right away. You don’t need help winning.

Ah… I see the problem, now…. Put the toast down and play with your full attention and you’ll do much better. Food and PvP don’t mix very well.

Lies, eating bacon and playing GW2 makes you play even better.

I think I have a problem with bacon. drools

Maybe this is the fair fight he was looking for… Your bacon vs. his toast. You two duel, while the rest of us enjoy some breakfast.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Seriously, I know I suck on toast at PvP engagements. And i’m a ranger, so that’s two strikes right away. You don’t need help winning.

Ah… I see the problem, now…. Put the toast down and play with your full attention and you’ll do much better. Food and PvP don’t mix very well.

rice.5376:

He was in CD last night, hammering stuff.

Relax… Wasn’t an accusation. Just surprised because normally I notice that he’s on, and I hadn’t seen him since the weekend. Granted I wasted most of my time in green last night killing SBIs breakouts.

ParaldaWind.4523:

I’ve seen Sabrina, Duke, and Hektor everywhere this week. Haven’t seen Lu Bu or the others in awhile, though.

Haven’t seen you either, come to think of it, and I know you’re out there… Must just be crossing time zones, unless you’re in EB. I’ve been staying well away from there this week.

styx.7294:

Viking.3158:

no offense taken. this is the first time i am actually even looked at transfer.

i have never transfered to anyother server. i am not like those who definatly want win but i am sick of it. we never found tier, still imbalanced by a lot. after playing for 2 months and getting nothing, now i am even looking at a transfer. NEVER before i have transfered out cause i was losing.

You’re still not too bad in tier 4. I don’t really know if it’s as bad as you’re makin it sound. At a quick glance, your tier seems it is middle of the pack for how balanced it is.

The problem is that CD has a very, very narrow band of coverage, at this point, which is holding them in the tier. Making it painful for players like this one who are not in that band of coverage.

Pinko.2076:

We’ll just need to make up for it by turning all the BLs green tonight. I’d hate to do that, though because it might just break SBI and we might need them again next week.

Maladon.5760:

Last Thursday Mag was within 0.5 points of YB but lost ground on the last night of the match. They were also within 4 points this week but now that margin has ballooned at just the right time to keep them in T4. I don’t suspect any shenanigans because they tell us all the time they prefer to fight outnumbered and are bored. I guess the math is just screwing them over at the perfect time each week.

If you’re as bored as I am and watching the scoreboard regularly, you’ll notice that those things coincide with a strong push by Yaks to even up closer to SoS. I’ll be curious to see what the differential is at 8PM EST today, since SoS seems to be trampling on Yaks again, right now.

Nozzie.2067:

If Mag was serious about returning to T3 sooner rather than later then they would have put the same effort into this weeks match as they did the last 2 days of last weeks match.

Not sure how you got the 2 days bit… Our “push” literally started at 5PM EST on Friday., last week. But you are right that we are spending more time trying to find a fight than to PvDoor… Do you really blame us? In any event, either Yaks is a whole lot stronger than I thought, or SoS a whole lot worse…. Maybe Yaks needs to reall step it up and send SoS down to T4.

Xephyron.4702:

iAmTheDuke.6201:

That [WäR] guild from Maguuma is really annoying…

Especially that Duke that’s riding on a Buffalo

I haven’t seen these guys at all… Are they even playing this matchup?

Gravy.7589:

Ah someone brought up my name. That’s sooo cute that it makes me chuckle. Please continue with the chest thumping on all sides. I am entertained. Poor Mag is all big and bad when they outnumber peeps, then completely fall apart when they move up a tier and have to face equal or more numbers on a nightly basis. If any of you wanna check the threads while they are in tier 3, I am sure it will tickle your fancy.

Yeah, other guy is definitely better… This one is such a stretch… fall apart on equal or more numbers… I get that you’re probably as bored as I am, and don’t have much material to work with, but if you can find something with a whole lot more credibility than this, that would be great.

JakobGW.5730:

JaironKalach.4938:

And he clearly provided an answer. He explained why he felt it was necessary (coordination with his small team) to do

First, that’s not what he said.

zastari.1730:

I leave an icon on because everyone has to be able to follow my actions in the middle of a battle.

JakobGW.5730:

Second, I can tell you with experience, and I’m sure others will agree, that a small group of skirmishers playing outnumbered simply do not need a commander’s tag to
be successful.

Clearly he thinks differently. But I imagine if you you want to test your theories against his on the battle field, he will oblige.

And he clearly provided an answer. He explained why he felt it was necessary (coordination with his small team) to do, even though he didn’t like the eventual outcome (gathering of additional pubbies). It’s a compromise. People make them all the time. Doesn’t mean they wouldn’t prefer a situation with a best of both worlds outcome.

BTW, you’re much better at this forum PvP than that Gravy fellow. You two should team up.

Nozzie.2067:

JaironKalach.4938:

Get the job done with yaks, so we can move up. Seems likely we’ll have something for you.

It’s not DB & SoS that are stopping Mag from moving up to T3. If the majority of Mag seriously wanted to be in T3 then they would have had a Rating lead over YB by this stage of the week. Instead it seems that a lot of Mag players are more interested in screwing around in T4 than putting on their big boy pants & earning the points to force their way back up to T3.

Sorry, I’m looking at the score in our matchup and the score in in your matchup and having a lot of trouble taking your post seriously. Seriously, right now at the standings, Yaks is projected to gain another 32 ratings points…. And they may yet overtake SoS by the end of the matchup… As long as SoS keeps giving Yaks inflated ratings gain, Mags won’t be able to gain enough against these T4 teams to compensate.

I wouldn’t want you to misunderstand Razi’s comment. We at Mags also love your [kiwi] players. Our eyes brighten every time we see that tag.