Today I’ve seen dual pistol thief, who used stealth ~5 times in a row. He even attacked me without revealing from stealth. For rendering bug there was not many ppl, only 3 (include him). So he easily killed me and my ally when we saw him revealed sometimes for ~2 seconds. I’ve used AoE with no results. So:
1) It was a hacker
2) Perma stealth problem still exists
Are you sure he wasn’t P/D? Even if he was P/P, he can still have 3 stealth utilities, and the heal stealth and/or a weapon swap to dagger offhand or stealth on stealing. All of that, plus rendering could have made it seem so, when in fact it was not. If you want to counter a stealth thief, use aoe, attack the air around you, chill/slow them so they can’t land CnD, or any aoe CC abilities for that matter in the general area. They still take hits when stealthed and any type of CC/snare/root will make it especially hard for them to keep doing it.
I’m sure, he spammed 3 skill most time. I know about stealth skills, I have low level thief myself. But they don’t allow to use stealth 5 or more times in a row without swap to dagger off-hand (he didn’t swap as I remember). I was staff elementalist, so I’ve used AoE without any result, as I said before. Even D/D thieves I met didn’t allow to use almost permanent stealth, but this guy used it with P/P. So…
Today I’ve seen dual pistol thief, who used stealth ~5 times in a row. He even attacked me without revealing from stealth. For rendering bug there was not many ppl, only 3 (include him). So he easily killed me and my ally when we saw him revealed sometimes for ~2 seconds. I’ve used AoE with no results. So:
1) It was a hacker
2) Perma stealth problem still exists
Elementalists have 4 different attunements… 20 different weapon skills. Thats why their cooldowns are more significant.
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That doesn’t mean 20 effective skills. Warrior’s 100b has better damage, better radius and range, no need in condition on target and it has 8 sec coodown, not 45. I don’t even talk about rifle knockdown and our updraft. That’s for example.
I wish to be a pony and shoot rainbows…
If to be serious:
1) Reduce cooldowns for off-hand skills
2) Boost HP at least to mesmer’s value
3) FIX RtL!!!
4) Useless traits rework (merge % damage and CDr traits for example)
5) Shooting rainbows is still interesting =)
I don’t understand, why it can’t be done solo? I play asura, and full sized charr and norns are very annoying. And "smart " guys, who summon 2 pets/elementals in start room.
I cursed ppl who made this tower so many times xD. 40 or 50 tries before success. I rly wanted to break something.
When I see your nickname here I try to guess what nicknames you’ve tried ingame. Looks like they was truly exclusive =). Anyway reservation works for 24 hours as I’ve heard, and try to use 2 worlds in nickname.
Thief is most balanced class in game and there is nothing to nerf (sarcasm). Thats why we see teams 1/2 consist from thieves in sPVP. And thats why only viable elementalist build for sPvP is bunker.
Personally, I like Glyphs. I use Glyph heal and Storm Glyph with Quick Glyphs most of time. However, I would say the most important skill for a leveling Ele, or any ele, is Arcane Shield.
I never used arcane shield in PvE, so it’s not so important =). I prefer armor of earth as defense skill and signet of restoration for heal (defensive spec).
So there are several variants. I think, one of important skills is arcane wave – good damage (especialy at low levels in PvE) and combo field activation. But some people don’t use it.
@Lordryux
At low levels I’ve used arcane wave and signet of fire (for crit chance) most time. After 21 level (when you get gear with 2 stats and good crit chance) I’ve used arcane wave (damage and combo activator) – lightning flash (good for churning earth, escape and regeneration proc from water trait) – armor of earth (very good skill to prevent interrupt when casting churning earth and just good defense) untill 80 level and use these skills now most time. But I use only D/D (except WvW and dungeons), for other weapon skill set may be another.
@DesertRose
You get reward only when you kill someone, solo or with team mates when you did more then 1 hit. So good luck ppl with your wonderful support of team, when everybody get more karma/badges, except you. Because you don’t get reward for support (I know, it’s stupid).
In glass cannon build every meteor crits for 4-6k and lava font crits for ~3k. So 2 skills when defending gate and you killed (or knocked down) few people. And in support/defensive build you damage at sieges is just funny.
Think it was removed originally due to botters, but seeing as those are all sat in high end zones 24/7, I`d like this turned back on too.
tbh don`t think I`ve ever seen a bot running Dolyak runs.
/grovels
It’s Anet style. Better to turn off some game functions (dolyak events, grub loot some time ago) instead of banning bots. I report many bots and nothing, few days later they run in mid-high level zones. Anet just ignore most bots, I can’t find another explanation of 80 level bot groups in Orr. Or human start location, full of bots, when ONE gamemaster can ban them all in few hours and keep locations “clean”.
@Kasoon
It’s another bug. Miss when hit objects with melee attack elemetalist have too with lightning whip. But many of other skills just won’t hit target above you, they attack empty space under target.
I have an ele with full dungeon exotics and weapons.
blah blah blah
If you have 80 level elementalist in full exotic gear, how can you explain this?
I wish i knew before i made my character that i cant be that if i choose elementalist :/
If you are so pro and play on pro server (and you spent time in WvW more then both of us)… so wth do you ask for advice at forum? Your sense of grandeur is to big.
P.S. I got it, it’s troll topic…
@Electro
Key word is “water”. As I said water AA is one of few dagger skills which can change it’s attack angle. Try to use fire auto-attack againts enemy at stairs above you for example. Or hit traps on walls in ascalonian catacombs.
@Selo
You know… I have 80 level elementalist and know, what I’m talking about, because I spent much time in WvW. Meteor shower + lava font = few downed enemies with high chance. Of course if you have berserker/valkyrie exotic gear.
Why do you argue, if you don’t even have elementalist? :/
It’s another great elementalist’s feature. You can use water/earth auto-attack, which is terrible in power build (water AA is terrible in any build). Most dagger attack can’t change angle and damage targets straight in front of you at same level. And devs are to busy to fix this like RtL. They will better fix another minor bug or nerf something.
P.S. Devs can’t fix RtL for 2 months, when similar skills for other classes work fine. So what do you want? :/
@Selo
Staff is great for siege, defense or attack. And very good in zerg for AoE damage and CC, plus combo fields for group and ~40 second mass swiftness. For small fights and 1v1 it’s bad.
Staff is not a dps weapon. You get 1 situational AoE (Meteor shower) that arent good for anything else then keep attack/defence and clustered enemies in dungeons.
Staff is DPS weapon, but mainly in fire attunement and for standing targets (yes, to many “but”) if you are in power spec. End earth for condition spec.
@Selo
Staff is only good for dungeons and WvW. S/D or D/D is more universal set.
@Leiloni
Actually none of them use elements, except may be some shaman and druid spells. Because elements are – fire, air, earth, water. Anyway, these classes originate from mage archtype, except guardian/paladin, it’s hybrid of priest and warrior. But if to follow D&D rules, there must be mage and cleric archtypes.
So mages use:
Elemental magic – elementalist
Illusion magic – mystic (mesmer in GW)
Arcane magic – arcanist, wizard etc.
Clerics use:
Holy magic – priests
Death magic – necromancer, warlock
Nature magic – druid
May be someone want to add something. Anyway, the thing is that guy told us – elemental caster is not mage and class, who conjure weapons, is not conjurer. Funny isn’t?
Honestly I didn’t read your post, all I am going to say is that an Elementalist is not a mage nor a conjurer, nor any other archtype. It is it’s own thing.
Spellcaster SUDDENLY is not mage, facepalm. Elemenatlist is elemental mage (spellcaster) in lore. Another thing is that Anet made available for player elementalist class anything (healer, tank, etc), but not mage. And class decription with videos on official site is BIG FAT LIE.
@boozer
Attunement swap is count as weapon swap, ok. But tell me, why weapon swap doesn’t stuck at one range? And have more effective skills if chosen right for build, then elementalist with his 20 skills. Plus you don’t need to use weapon which doesn’t fit your build, but you can’t turn off or change to something useful some of your attunements (for example air in condition build).
P.S. I wish devs fix elementalist’s bugs with the speed with which moderators delete my posts.
@Sushi
Let me guess… and full gear is power/precision? Just forget about glass cannon build. Get some toughness and use more defensive spec (not full tank, hybrid will be enough). I did story quests up to +10 lvls higher then me solo (whole storyline solo with D/D except Arah quest).
P.S. And get stun breaker (you can’t always dodge brute’s attack).
Problem is not in people, who can only play at night. Problem is, when big part of server players is from another region. For example maney people of EU server are from US. And when where is prime time in US, EU players go to sleep. And this US players capture almost empty maps. There are US servers, so wth do they play on EU servers and ruin WvW?! Because it’s Anet’s fault:
1) Current score system rewards night capping.
2) No restrictions in quene, easy domination = free win. People like free things.
3) No language specific servers for US region. So a lot of french (for example) people from US go to EU servers and ruin WvW for EU players.
Anet said, all people are valuable, even night playing minority (I don’t count now zergs from another region). But what about majority? Many people play for WvW. But WvW is pointless, when your pure region server plays againts mixed server, because it’s 100% lose. So people become to:
1) Leave their servers, making situation here even more terrible and hopeless.
2) Leave game for more balanced PvP projects.
Anet had years to think about WvW system and balance it, given the different regions and online. But current situation is terrible. Look at EVE online (yes, there is one server, but many star systems), people from different regions play in balanced mass PvP system.
@Wulfrim
Traeharne got level up and became guardian, what is hints us… guess what? =) Bingo! – play guardian, guys. Even necromancer rerolled to this class.
As for elementalist… I don’t think so, Anet hates this class. He can use conjured GS, hammer, axe, bow, shield, but can’t use “normal” versions of these weapons. Even conjure system is terrible and almost useless.
GW1 has great build system. There are a lot of viable build for EACH class. End skill parameters separation for PvP and PvE made this system even more great.
As for GW2… build system is far from GW1. Looks like dergradation. Some classes have only 2-3 viable builds.
OP, thanks for revelation. We, miserable mortals, didn’t even know about attunement swap. But now, after your great post, we will use this great and wonderful attunement swap. And not just stuck in fire attunement using auto-attack like completely idiots.
P.S. Sarcasm
Best for what? First of all, what build do you want?
Power:
Damage – berserker/valkyrie
Defense – knight
Support – cleric
Condition:
Damage – Carrion
Defense – Rabid
Support – Shaman
@OP
I’ve leveled ele in pow/pre gear with toughness runes untill 60 level and hybrid spec (10/10 in air/fire for mobility and damage, rest in earth) with D/D. After 60 level I’ve used knight gear with same or more offencive spec. At 80 level I use valkyrie armor and berserker weapons/accessories with ruby jewels and defensive spec 10/10/30/10/10 or 0/20/30/10/10 in PvE and pure damage spec in WvW. Btw, I hate codition builds, especially in PvE.
@Magoslich
Carrion gear at 45 level? =)
For future reference our bunker builds are likely going to be nerfed though.
When Anet will nerf our only viable spec (at least in PvP), elementalist can be deleted :/. I don’t even say IF, because it’s more likely WHEN. And of course without fixing/buffing other skills, like it was before.
@Dual
Just watch video from middle, there are many fights 1v3. And now just imagine, what will be if this thief will build into bunker?
First of all other classes rarely need to build into full defense/heal. Just look at thief’s damage AND survivability in damage spec for example – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm2jh9oO0qo
RtL can’t be fixed now. Because Anet is busy fixing some another minor bugs and nerfing other elementalist’s skills.
It looks like sarcasm, but it’s not far from true :/
OP, your problem is staff. It don’t give you good instant CC for 1v1 fights like blind, stun, knockdown. So it’s bad choise against thief. You need to use S/D if you don’t like melee. Or use many cantrips in build if you stay with staff.
Just curious. It’s hardest to get armor, but… Stats are terrible for many char builds, especially power builds (even if you gather different pieces), skin is nothing epic. So I don’t see something, what can cost more then month of farm, when you can spend much less time and get dungeon set with better stats.
2 days ago I didn’t get reward for defending garrison and some towers. And today I didn’t get reward for capture Stonemist. It’s second time with SM and 5-6 times with keep/tower. Anet, when you start to fix this bugs? It’s not funny to spend money (siege weapons and armor repair) and several hours to get NOTHING.
Build guides like this needs gear part. Same build can be different with different gear. And one more thing – why don’t you have condition removal? Or you like 30-60 sec dots in Orr?
@noobdestroyer
Whe did you find 50% damage? Air major trait gives you 20% damage. Your build is glass cannon, so you die in few second against thief. And do you rly think guy with 80 level elementalist in full exotic gear, who spent lot of time in WvW and sPvP didn’t try different builds?
@Strang
So why do you speak about PvE if OP said about PvP? Mobs can be facerolled most time with any class.
@Anlyon
Not all people are masochists =).
@Minoru
You can’t kite ANY group of mobs in glass cannon build. Because almost all mobs in Orr have tons of ranged CC like immobilization, pull, chill and knockdown in melee.
So better to have some defencive gear or spec in defence with offensive gear.
As for me, I use valkyrie armor and berserker weapons/accesories with defencive spec in PvE. Not bad survivability with good damage.
@Selo
I know our auto-attack is terrible. But I get kills even with this terrible AA and lava font in team fights, at least AA has splash damage. Don’t forget, WvW is team based, so your team mate can CC enemy and you will do good damage. Other classes AoE can be avoided easily too btw (but yes, they have more direct target skills). And meteor shower is last skill to complain about. It’s one of the best skills at WvW. Meteor shower + lava font and you get some kills in point defence even if you defend alone.
@nidwin
Defender’s reward was working good not long time ago. AFK leeching is not viable, because to get reward you need to kill someone during defence time (timer). And without reward defence is pointless. Attacking teams farm karma/badges, but ppl who hold points for their server and spend money/time get nothing.
Today I was in garrison defence, we was outnumbered in ratio ~1:10. But anyway garrison was defended for ~30 minutes. But wth, no reward for defence even once (I killed few ppl almost every timer) and repaired gate.
So Anet rewards zerg servers with night capture teams and gives no chance to servers with low population. No incentive for point defence. Or it’s just a bug (very often bug last time)? Anyway, last time I rarely see defence reward, so it’s not single situation.
P.S. But if it’s not a bug, then maybe Anet needs to close half of medium populated servers or convert it to PvE only? Because if you are not from top servers and see as enemy one of french herd servers like Jade Sea it’s almost pointless to even enter WvW (I can’t understand, how they can be at such low position in server ratings).
Whirlpool was great for PvE events and to capture ruins point in Raid on the Capricorn (I HATE this map, and after whirlpool nerf I hate it even more). Was…
I think tank spec is good for PvE and sPvP, but at WvW it’s almost useless. Because you can’t do good AoE damage (and I like 4k+ crits with meteor shower).
It’s strange, how you can get almost 2k damage each hit by channelled skills using full tank build o_O. I don’t have tank gear for PvE/WvW, but in sPvP enemies need 3+ ppl to kill me. But my damage is rly funny =)
Elementalist underpowered in WvW?! Are you kidding?
1) Level up and get good gear (1k hits with staff in glass cannon spec is funny).
2) Engineer can do this damage only at high level, with good gear and in melee distance with high crit chance(if you talk about poison dart volley skill)
3) My fireball crits for ~3k (yes, it’s almost full exotic gear) and I use utility skills to avoid dying in few seconds
4) Elementalist doesn’t have good single target damage skills, like other classes. But he has very good AoE for team fights.
WvW is one of few good elementalist’s aspects. WvW and trolling people in sPvP with healing tank spec =)
@Terrahero
I wish you to have wonderful “useful” elite skill Tornado. Or whirlpool after nerf. This is true nerf, when you block your utility skills in melee distance without getting ANY defence boost.
P.S. I’m amazed how strong classes can compain about good elite skills.
P.P.S. OP, elixir X is not only one stability source.
OP, before post pointless wall of text try to play not only in PvE. Mortar is one of the best elite skills in WvW, especially it’s 5 skill in siege. How can you even compare damage skill only (granade kit) and skill, which can knock from the wall 10-20 ppl?
Lava font has 4 sec CD. When you switch attunement, you get 15 sec CD. So your DPS is greatly reduced for 11 seconds if you have 20 or more points in fire. This is because most traits are specialized and support only one attunement. And all traits for attunement swap are arcane, but arcane tree doesn’t provide any stats, so it’s almost useless for DPS build.
So attumenet swap is needed when it’s dinamic boss fight and you need buffs from attunement switch. But switch when you need high DPS for standing target is just pointless.
Or 9 seconds if you’re spec’d properly into arcane. Eruption does well over 10k damage in 6 seconds and is a blast finisher which is vastly superior to standing there derping it out in fire.
I said about DPS build (because we was talking about trait specialization and DPS loss due switch attunements), what means 30 points in fire and trait bonuses are specialized for one attunement. 30 points in arcane means no points in fire, and this is not pure DPS build (or just not DPS build). So in this case you have stable DPS in different attunements and good bonuses for it’s swap. But arcane tree doesn’t provide any stats, as i said.
@ThiBash
It’s not sarcasm. In PvE situtations, when you just stay in fire attunement and spam 3 skills are quite often (plus might stacking from major fire trait, OP asked about dps build).
And +5% damage – it’s sigil of force. Bloodlust gives 10 power per kill, which is better then sigil of battle.
