Guild Wars 2

Yeah hope this is really looked into and a solution is made. Thiefs need this.

Daecollo.9578:

Honestly, I just wish it would give us a 30 second boon, depending on the class you stole from.

some skills are good such as fear, consume ecto. the skill from elementalists is nice. But sometimes i DONT need it, I just want to get rid of it to see my cooldown on steal..

When we steal, we recieve an ability, in some/most dire situations, do not need this teal ability give us a keybinding to discard the stolen ability so we have a choice whether to use it or discard it.

I see in some cases where I need to use the steal ability so I can see my cooldown on steal, it’s really bothersome in battles, most of the time I do not need the ability, in some cases I do. Can you please incorporate a kay binding that allows us to discard the stolen ability if the thief wishes so.

Thank you.

Drop stealth on damage, what next? Not bad, not bad then why not 25% damage nerf next, increase reveal timer till you have 100% certain win against all thiefs. When you lose again what will you say?

Negated.4105:

We also steal a stealth ability from your clones, teheee, kittens good ^^

U are kidding, aren’t u?

No I’m not kidding, we steal stealth ability from your clones.

Beast in AC. We steal Skull Fear from AC guards at the end part, helps a lot surviving anf finishing them off. CoF I am a great player, good DPS on the mobs, can hide my team, good in the tnaking if you use Clatrops, shadowstep you survive quite a bit.

Shortbow is amazing if you stick venoms on it and attack all mobs. I run very linear dungeons CoF/AC and CM. Other than that I don#t know how we do against other dungeons.

Did he actually kill anybody?

Good luck with that mate, they nerfed theirs damage way too much. Even if you roll residual venom (30 into power- grandmAster trait and follow up with the basilisk venom elite the Ele will still heal up and will “outlast” your burst. Even if you go condition damage, and please don’t that build is too slow for fast paced combat nothing is effective against the Ele.

With GC you may kill the bunker guardian even by then good coordinated team will just come to the rescue, you have to build your their 25/30/0/15/0 in respect pick up the venom utilities Devourer venom, spider venom, and basilisk venom.

A d I’m lately reading post a out nerfing another 25% damage of the thief now bunker eles have become to powerful in TPVP and wvwvw.. Lol

Not really happy with your post. Thief has been nerfed already, the only characters in wvw that are dieing in 1 hit is the players that are not Lv80 and geared. There getting there arrogance and ego all up into the spot, I play a theif without toughness at all and I’m getting hit 4/5k Backstab. I say kitten you man, your pathetic posing as a thief I bet you never even played it properly, no why would you want to nerf the class. The culling is not a issue if you know how to deal with it, I do and I don’t cry about other thieves even if I’m playing a warrior in my guilds group for wvw as the burst class, because for 1 that burst is a x100 better than the thief burst. Yes thief can burst a lot, then don’t get caught on backstab, don’t stop moving these are all issues you can prevent if you put your mind to it.

I didn’t like your post at all.

We also steal a stealth ability from your clones, teheee, kittens good ^^

Okay what to do, don’t fight the clones, only the “Real” Mesmer will have a title and or Buffs such as Vigor/Regeneration. The real mesmer will be the one that is moving backwards as the clones do not. Use the clones for a CnD target, they are good for making you hide, giving you more stealth options, quickly check all targets for a title, signet or buffs such as regeneration/vigor.

Next what to do, as mesmers also have culling for when they are in “Hide”, look for your venom ticks or bleed ticks it will give you the best and quickest way to target an un-rendered target, this is also advisable for thieves, look for your bleed damage ticking, white numbers popping all over the map without a target there.

Hope this helps, I found mesmers real hard till as of late, they either got nerfed (never checked the patches and or I have just gotten adequately better at taking them down.

Zerbo.5381:

@ Negated. I’ll admit it’s saved me a few times also, but it’s killed me much, much more often. So how have you gotten “used to it” and how do you “understand” the CD? How are you able to know if someone is going to hit you while you’re in the middle of a CnD that will put you under that 25%? And please share how you can keep track of the CD timer in the middle of battle on top of that.
I have a feeling that the only people who are fine with it are those who don’t use CnD much. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

No you are pretty much correct, I like to think of it as, every battle I play with my P/D Thief at the start I allow it to kick in, I keep track of the time it kicked in after a I notice a minutes gone past I’d play a little risky and wait a couple seconds before I panic and go for my CnD, also knowing your 25% hp bench mark wouldn’t hurt you as a thief.

thats how i play it, maybe thats why im relatively comfy with it.

imo the roll is better than signet of malice

yeah kitten that trait. broke as hell

Doomdesire.9365:

Art of Shadows. We’re a heavy WvW and dungeon thief guild in Sanctum of Rall. There’s only 9 thieves(we just started), but we play almost everyday, for quite a while. You will have no problem finding a thief party to roam with in WvW, shoot me a whisper or mail in game, and we can work things out :P

are you guys legit, teamspeak server and kitten? I wouldn’t mind giving it a shot.

I don’t really struggle against other thieves, and thieves are best harasses due to the amount of players in that area, more targets to pull of CnD. If you want to beat him, you need to party up, and watch your surroundings, people complain about theifs, but I am a thief with low defence and I still down backstab or condition thieves..

blablabla tl:dr party up and watch for the squiggly black smoke when a thief reappears that is the only thing that renders on time.

I love it, this has saved me many times, also resulted in my death too but it is worth it, once you get used to it and understand that it will kick in if you got the CD understood there won’t be a problem.

bad link mate, get a new 1 up and running as soon as you can, I am a P/D Thief but I’m looking to branch out on SPvP due to the (time schedule and quicker nodes on team =means quicker wins.

easy as kitten man> http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=fvwp&v=XpF2EH3_T1w

dont stop moving and save 1 backup utility for basilisk venom.

It’s a good build, its not easy to use at the start, and don’t spam your #1 when always in hide, look out for enemies, if the target you are vsing still has a good amount of bleed on him, dance around them let the stealth time out and go for some slow shots, hit cloak and dagger again, the way you have to use this build is how to make it to your next Hide0In0Shadows cooldown, how to make it to there, its a battle of time, you wont down anybody like a backstab build, but if you play correct you will down 3-4 solo.

I roll a 5/0/30/20/15 into trickery. Probably the best solo build out there, there. I pop Blinding Powder-SR-Spider Venom, I am really accustomed to this build and I love the kitten out of it, I play my most comfortable with it and wouldn’t trade it for another build.

Fellknight.4820:

Raytek.6193:

What PvP rank are you?

I’m rank 30 play a thief condition spec myself and there is nothing i haven’t encountered on my thief that I can’t kill in under 10 seconds. The best bunker guardian with awesome condition removal will crumble before me. I get a 4 second daze from my steal and switch to my pistol’s vs bunkers and burn them down by mixing blind, bleed, and high unload spike dmg while timing my daze with the stolen over the top insane daze for 4 seconds.

My question to you is how little common sense can you have to not realize when your playing something set to monkey easy mode in pvp?

Have you ever won a tournament in another game for real life cash?

Have you ever been ranked by game pro as one of the best pvpers in a game?

Have you come in .01% in the ranking system of any pvp game with over 10 million players?

Because if you have you would never embaress yourself by defending a class this overpowered.

you stomp people as a condition spec in 10seconds? are fighting kitten killing people as a condition spec is impossible in 10seconds.

Whats the sound track on CoF the cool one at the end of path 2 that kicks in, man I love that sound track its also in the shaman fractal towards teh final boss, please link it here

ty,

Adaneshade.2409:

To be perfectly honest, you won’t notice. Culling literally means “you will only be able to render X number of avatars at any given time” that X in GW2 is AT LEAST 20. In these 1v3 or 1v5 fights, they are simply not experiencing it. (I’ve asked many many players after fighting them in these situations every one of them has said that they weren’t experiencing the issue of me not rendering after attacking from stealth)

that makes a lot of sense, nice answer.

Hey I run a P/D Build I’m fairly competent with it, I usually take groups and kill a couple before escaping or falling to my own greed of the feeling of stomping a person across teh globe..

I’ve come to realize that, when culling issues are fixed, yes some groups are easier to kill due to not using tab targeting, or newly hit lv80s who have no idea of PvPing, with the timer cooldown, 3 secodns is quite an awful lot, I have taken on groups agaisnt some really good party groups that thinking back once I escaped, or stomped or they stomped me without the culling how effective would the build be solo, starting to waver my trust on the thief being able to stand its ground, I mean right now couple hours ago, switched my utilities, and stopped a zerg in my home world, attacked the leading commander, noticed the way to stop the zerg is to stop the commander, thus stopping the zerg lets be honest (nobody paid 100g to give commands from the floor after being stomped x)

What are your thoughts on after this, and just speaking only classes that have the best cances of soloing groups will be ele’s and well built necro.

imo this thread is soo good, yeah the range is kittening terrible the amount of time in spvp I popped that and my team was within reasonable distance, maybe 2 arms/3 arms length still I always thought they would receive it till they said the distance isn’t as far as I’m thinking, I guess the trait wasn’t really used till as of late, people branching out noticing the problems with minor unused traits.

You first need to understand how you can help your party, for this you need at least 20 into trickery, pick up the steal/boon rip for your party traits, bountiful thief and thrill of the crime. This helps a ton, your hurting enemies, giving extra boons for the party, you have to think about how your weapons will support you in combat, although not just you, also your team, P/P is the best way to go, or D/D and you need at least 30 into Shadow arts for Venomous aura.

You need to pick up Devourer Venom and Spider Venom your whole squad having this makes it easier to take down enemy bunker builds by a ton, next what you need to do is know how to pay your weapon set, when equipping the SB if you use your venoms the #1 auto attack will make that venom hit multiple targets and not lose the amount of venoms, I.E 1 shot hitting 3 people wont make it so you lose 3 venom strikes, no it all counts as 1 strike. Next know that #5 will blind enemys, you need to know how to utilize your blinds, don’t waste this skill, look for sequences, when your team is being pushed back you need to blind, to help save health pols, damage taken to the bunker on the node.

How to play P/P in the group, if your supporting a bunker on the node that’s calling for help on the node, you need to rush over there and pop some black powder, not all of it, you ned to save at least 1 black powder initiative in case a team member goes down.

D/D how to play this is as you guessed, hold a node till back up arrives, even if you get pushed of, which most players dont know it, if your able to push them of the nde for at least 4 seconds the count down will go neutral meaning nobody will get any points, hold the point till your team arrives bac, this will be by playing smart, not spamming all of your initiativ in 1 go, hit Lotus Strike, push him, of, he pushes you of as long as its neutral you are winning, know that. Thief wasn’t built to hold a node, then its all left to how your team is playing/organized.

Also> support can be seen as lets say, the quicker you take down your eemy, how efficient you are with the glass cannon build may win the battle in the end. <thts all for SPvP.

For dungeons, imo I guess condition/glass canon both really work, depends on the dungeon I’d say, although glass canon is the best..

Hey, went through some of the Ascended gear rewards, can’t decided whether to drop my Power/Vit/Condition damage and pick the ascended Condition damage rings, kind of lost.

Any P/D build Thieves out there willing to go a little more diverse lose some power to gain extra 5/15 ticks on bleed/venom damage.

Discuss: For me, I think we could hit higher with the extra precision feels like we will hit more if we had maybe 40% precision, feels like the crit damage would scale moreinstead of raw power because at the moment, 250 power would maybe make me hit an extra 80-95 damage.

Thoughts guys? Thanks.

need residual venom to make it worth, although I guess the good thieves won’t need the ones that are acquainted with the glass canon build.

cool nice post, didnt read all of it but I got the gist of what you was saying, I wouldn’t mind if a trait came out for ninja stars instead of caltrops when you dodge xD

Yeah, I was palying around with healing power, shadows rejuvenation is not affected by it, this needs reworking? Assassins reward is not affected by healing power, well it should be amount of initiative +healing power but it was always stuck at 338 and I have about 450 healing power..

Was hoping shadows rejuvenation or assassins reward is being re-worked and fixed or somebody can give me a clarifying post here would be nice.

I’d only get bleed time stack is if Stealth thieves gave my CnDition thief a hard time, but it’s not the case, I’m playing it a little different today I added some crests instead of any runes to get more power/toughness/vitality and it’s working great, I have agony on 1 pistol but thats all I’m heading for, the food makes up for my loss of condition duration, I really wouldn’t go for the highest stacking time, it’s really not worth it.

I guess if your just testing its okay.

TheGuy.3568:

Negated.4105:

When vsing a D/D Ele with 2 other playrs ith them it’s tough, which to kill is the hoice, the others then the Ele will ahve his setups completed, he’ll have all his boons up and be too hard to kill, how to handle it in a group, you might take a few down, but youeven if you kill the Ele or down him he’ll get picked back up, how to initiate is to back of, change your utilities.

You need at least 5 or 10 into Power> Apply poison on each steal, and 10 if you want potent poison = 22% increase on venom duration.

You need on your utilities Spider Venom is a must to take out D/D Ele as a Condition/Crit Damage build, make sure you do not waste this skill, watch out for mist forms, need to use steal, or hold steal if you are speedy and apply poison each time he tries to kite you when hes down to 75% HP they will begin to kite and heal up with every cast, ts about how you play mainly, if you can bait him, make him think like hes pushing you back, hide behind trees, use mobs in wvw to get the backstab up, or the pistol blleed stacking skilll, keep pressure all the time and they panic between skills, to either switch between damage or to heal over the damage or to use mist form, or even to use ride the lighting to escape, the problem with ele is that they ahve 4 attunement, once you got him panicking he will mix his order up, his skill rotation.

Hope this helped, you really do need Spider Venom you won’t kill any good Ele’s who know what there doing without it.

Hahahaha NO! that doesn’t happen. In fact that never happens. How long do you think it took our muscle memory to kick in? I’m at 300 hours I don’t mix up attunements (good ele run some general rotations so no we won’t mix them up). Ranger requires me to push one more button than ele. Honestly ask on our forums you get used to it.

Today while killing a vet in WvW a P/D thief “jumped” me. Spammed venoms etc. Let me tell you how it ended. Him down me at 80% health and he force logged. We were the same level he got me to 50% He kept his gaps and venoms up but none of that will help. We both get the option to bail at any time he didn’t.

Your advice is bad not because it will never work but it wont work vs an experienced ele.

Let me break it down. Just like when a zerg chases me (happened earlier today) and cant kill me it comes down to 1 thing. Either you have immobilize or you don’t. If you don’t forget it. Its not going to happen give it up.

One build will drop a DD ele backstab burst. As long as shocking isn’t up you just got a free kill unless we see it coming.

The number of wipes most DD have equals a lot! Here’s what your likely going to deal with http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cleansing_Fire http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cleansing_Wave_ http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cleansing_Wave and via http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Evasive_Arcana and possibly http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cleansing_Water and http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Water

Figure at least 3 of these.

Best option is using immobilize immobilize immobilize. the more you use it the more pressure you put on the ele. Once you realize this you can pressure and win.

That thief is down right pathetic, if he spammed his venoms then he doesn’t know what he is doing lol. What server do you play on, the only Ele’s that are good that come against my thief, end up retreating or bringing more back.

It is true what you saying, I have a hard time to drop your class due to not using immobilization skills/venoms. Only because I’m always fighting 3-5 players at a time, can’t sacrifice utilities that help me survive just so I can kill your class,

When vsing a D/D Ele with 2 other playrs ith them it’s tough, which to kill is the hoice, the others then the Ele will ahve his setups completed, he’ll have all his boons up and be too hard to kill, how to handle it in a group, you might take a few down, but youeven if you kill the Ele or down him he’ll get picked back up, how to initiate is to back of, change your utilities.

You need at least 5 or 10 into Power> Apply poison on each steal, and 10 if you want potent poison = 22% increase on venom duration.

You need on your utilities Spider Venom is a must to take out D/D Ele as a Condition/Crit Damage build, make sure you do not waste this skill, watch out for mist forms, need to use steal, or hold steal if you are speedy and apply poison each time he tries to kite you when hes down to 75% HP they will begin to kite and heal up with every cast, ts about how you play mainly, if you can bait him, make him think like hes pushing you back, hide behind trees, use mobs in wvw to get the backstab up, or the pistol blleed stacking skilll, keep pressure all the time and they panic between skills, to either switch between damage or to heal over the damage or to use mist form, or even to use ride the lighting to escape, the problem with ele is that they ahve 4 attunement, once you got him panicking he will mix his order up, his skill rotation.

Hope this helped, you really do need Spider Venom you won’t kill any good Ele’s who know what there doing without it.

Hey I know ascended gear is the best currently, but whats the best carrion prefix armor> Power/Vitality/Condition damage?

I heard something about there being karma gear that is the best stated for exotic level, or is there better stated somewhere else? Currently I’m rolling in shaman gear but I heard some people have a lot more HP with carrion prefix sets can anybody help me out giv me location, npc to check for some gear?

Same.4687:

That is one nice toaster you play on!

Or did you just turn down all the graphics to record?

evidently yes I have fps lag when I’m using fraps thats why I make mistakes in that video because I ahve to think a second ahead the lag is not majorly gam changing but its ahrd to adapt and is annoying when it faults to your death.

oZii.2864:

Its ok video I just switched to thief and run p/d. What makes bills videos good imo is that he runs 2 venoms and signet instead of blinding or refuge which means his CnD’s are spot on when he is fighting 5 people.

I think trolling with refuge and blinding powder isn’t really difficult. I tried running all invis skills and its easier to mess with a group of people or take 1 or 2 people down with extra invis then it is running no invis utility.

thank you appreciated, and I see yeah its really tough to do that!

Eduardo.4675:

I usually watch videos to get some entertaining out of it, unfortunately, this time it was negated.

my first video of gw2 x) wasn’t expecting it to be awesome was playing around with a new video editor tried to make it interesting with some edits but how can you make anything interesting anymore which has been done before? . tyfor yur criticism.

Thats a good point me and guild member was testing that out in spvp too seemed his buff ran out even once he chained stealths together even though activiating a new stealth should activate the trait once again, I do not play a backstab thied or crit but he does, would like to see this fixed.

those traits work

Rissou.7213:

Very misleading topic because you make us think Wild bill is supporting or playing with you.

Dont ride on other peoples fame.

No lol, I been following both of the users on forums/youtube and finally made my own build and video from their builds did you read description I didn’t say they played with me lol. i wouldnt ride on their fames i just giving credit to them that my build is from theirs. have fun mate ha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZpERlZWy5Lc

The video is working guys,

Fixed the video. Enjoy.

Respect to the masters! I am new thief starting to get the grip of how to PvP with it! Don’t hate if you do well *#&^ you mate!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZpERlZWy5Lc

I second this as well. It should be done.

Hello, I want to say is that 8v8 sometimes is annoying and pathetic. I would like to recocmend 5v5 matches and server creation that are available for players so they can setup mathces between guild members and players of their party so they are not split up or if they wish create a server with x amount of players with xxx as password so random players cannot enter.

Just to increase player enjoyment, hate it when we are on ts and end up agaisnt each other even though we are in parties, and want to play together not agaisnt each other.

Thanks for reading this, hope an action is considered on this topic, I know most palyers will side with this sugestion.

Another sugestion, can we have tournaments for 1v1 as well, making this a competition is also very demanding we want to see the best player out there, making tournaments also viable for “King of the Hill” type of competitions will be fun also and encouraging palyers to try different builds also play with different classes.

Thanks for considering that also.

Lastly, thefinal suggestion I want to make is creating servers for Guilds v Guilds or a smaller WvW accustomemed to maybe Guild v Guilds small battles to be settled and also making a tournments for Guilds v Guilds is needed a seperate tournament where only players of a certain guild can enter each team I.E: Tyrian swag 8 members Versus another guilds 8 members and guilds will compete in the tournament to be declared best structured PvP guild.

Thank you for reading my post, I understand it long but it was neccesary. ;D

I kind of quickly made my character, looking back now I would rather have my avatar salvari look different. If you sell customisation a as gems will make decent money and its not unbalancing either,

Thanks.