Guild Wars 2

Archer.1658:

When Yaks Bend loses they blame “alliances”, when they win it’s superior organized guilds. Nothing to see here folks.

No, there actually was an alliance that week. Although it was more like Dragonbrand allowing Ebay to sit in the corner and have their points, since Ebay can’t do much of anything in T4. You haven’t been around long have you?

Yeah, good point. What an awesome thread.

Archer.1658:

Gotta love how YB will never admit they only win by zerging and by out numbering. Hey guys we outnumber you, but it has nothing to do with that, we’re just super organized! Also, its funny how YB will always double team us whenever we are in this tier. Happened every time with Mag. Keep on trucking.

Yeah, such a hard life. Too bad dragonbrand isn’t here anymore to defend you when you’re too bad to hold your territory. Maybe you can make a deal with CD, maybe they have too much integrity, who knows? Either way, play better please.

Bunzy.8674:

I am so upset we never managed to get T4 this week.. stuck in T3 again :L

Don’t worry, I’m sure you’ll be declining soon.

Final update of the night. Stayed up late here. DB night zerg arrived as expected, focused entirely on Yak’s, completely ignored Ebay. Took our outer towers and was stymied at inner towers and keep. Ebay was non existent during this. Aroung 6:30 am eastern we took SM with a mesmer hidden inside. Immediately following, Ebay came out of hiding to hit bravost, our tower. They had done nothing on the map for hours.

/tinfoilhat

Ebay has some explaining to do.

Second update. We took SM back from Ebay before too long. Ebay began trebbing SM again once we were in possession, attacking when outer went down. We were unable to hold it for long, DB took it. Ebay at that point stopped all treb activity, despite still having trebs set up to hit SM, leaving all of DB available to defend against YB.

Strange occurrences today in Eternal Battlegrounds. We took Stonemist from Dragonbrand late afternoon/early evening. Ehmry wasn’t even bothering to treb the northern walls, which was a bit weird since that’s the first thing you do when you play red. When we breached inner SM, Ehmry made no push of their own to take it. Instead they sent a group to cut off Yak’s reinforcements coming into SM.

Later when we had it, they trebbed in earnest, knocking down the north wall and pushing inner hard. Defending it against Ebay allowed DB of course to knock down gates as well, creating a 3 way. Once all 3 teams were inside SM, Ebay decided to give up on SM and golem rush our keep, forcing a number of us to defend it. Essentially handing SM to DB entering their asian prime time.

So, without passing judgement here, just recounting events; that’s what happened. Anyone from Ehmry care to explain your strategy for today?

Rhoto.8791:

So do you screenshot every enemy you kill? Or just OG?

I screen capped this one because it amused me, particularly the get rezzed with me watching and come back for death number 2 part. And it was right after some of your guys had been running their mouths on the forums. I’ve killed a couple of your thieves since then and no I did not screen cap those.

The file name is OG 2 because I marked over the chat box Bunzy. Number 1 is the unedited version.

Bunzy.8674:

Nut.4713:

Bunzy.8674:

Nut.4713:

Bunzy.8674:

To Yaks Bend and Ehmry Bay,

When you see the OG guild tag, what is your normal response to this?

Just curious.

Kill them, same as I would any other guild tag.

Good luck with that, video it for me.

Sorry, but I’m not about to video everyone I kill. I still rarely see you guys, but I tend to stay where the fighting is. Here’s the last time I found an OG member. Had to go 2v1 outside their tower, wasn’t a problem. I’ve seen this guy a couple times and he’s a free kill. I’ve saw another thief once, also a free kill. A couple weeks ago I heard there was an elementalist around, but got chased off by a hammer guardian.

Are you sure it wasn’t a 4v2?
or infact a 4v1 twice in a row?
Considering how close your party members are I doubt they wouldn’t of jumped into the fight.

I’m sure, they arrived as the fight ended. This was actually the second time I killed him. The first was a 1v1. Then this other dead guy you see jumped out of the tower to rez him. I stood and watched till he was back up and at full health before attacking again. The second person around did make it a little harder.

Bunzy.8674:

Nut.4713:

Bunzy.8674:

To Yaks Bend and Ehmry Bay,

When you see the OG guild tag, what is your normal response to this?

Just curious.

Kill them, same as I would any other guild tag.

Good luck with that, video it for me.

Sorry, but I’m not about to video everyone I kill. I still rarely see you guys, but I tend to stay where the fighting is. Here’s the last time I found an OG member. Had to go 2v1 outside their tower, wasn’t a problem. I’ve seen this guy a couple times and he’s a free kill. I’ve saw another thief once, also a free kill. A couple weeks ago I heard there was an elementalist around, but got chased off by a hammer guardian.

ren yon.4679:

So I want to do a little experiment. What guilds come to mind when u think of EB? Mag? Yaks? Top 2 or 3 or more if u can’t narrow it down

Ebay – HIRE
Mag – AoN

Bunzy.8674:

To Yaks Bend and Ehmry Bay,

When you see the OG guild tag, what is your normal response to this?

Just curious.

Kill them, same as I would any other guild tag.

Notus.5769:

Your problem was being bested when you normally best your opponents, not a lack of bodies. Christmas didn’t only happen on Yak’s Bend.

We have a problem now? I don’t know who you are or what point you’re trying to make. There was virtually nobody on our border last week at any time of day. It often wasn’t even held during NA evening hours. Which is what makes the last page of talk of fortifying rather silly. Head on over there now, you’ll find the place far less hospitable to invaders, as you will any week other than last.

Notus.5769:

Nut.4713:

I don’t know why you guys are discussing last week as if it was indicative of future match ups, or as if there is something to learn from it.

What they are saying is 100% correct on all counts.

What who is saying? Pendragon when he says 5 people can’t do anything against 40, and fortifying buys you only the extra minute or two it takes to ram down the doors or walls? Yeah, that’s correct. What Besetment is saying that you lose as slowly as possible? Yeah, also correct. But it assumes there are actually people around to do it, which in this case is a false presumption. Last week was a population anomaly, put it out of your minds. We will see next week if the current score trends continue.

I don’t know why you guys are discussing last week as if it was indicative of future match ups, or as if there is something to learn from it.

Rhyis.7058:

Nut.4713:

Smigleesmits.7540:

Take for instance League of Legends, there are multiple NPC objectives that force the two teams into fighting, if you let the other team slay an NPC you are putting your team at a disadvantage

Can’t believe I didn’t even think of that, good example. Is anyone here going to call Baron Nashor in LoL “PvE” content?

LoL matches last 45 minutes tops. You can’t just sit there and kill the NPCs all day long and expect to win a game of LoL. You’ll get ganked and become weaker than the enemy… This game however lasts 7 days, you already play it at max level, and it’s actually beneficial to your score to have less PvP fights and simply take objectives from NPCs.

This game needs less PvE and more PvP. My RvR isn’t feeling like RvR anymore. The way to make WvW more dynamic is to add player kills into the end score formula some how. Like a specific objective cap limit on potential points, and the rest of your score needs to be obtained through killing.

I’m sorry, but you have completely misunderstood. We’re not talking about killing krait in the lake all day long here, it doesn’t even have to be NPC objectives. Do you remember how much fighting there was a couple of months ago when you could expect 4 full maps on every side during prime play time? So where did those people go? Clearly it wasn’t interesting enough. The game needs objectives beyond doors to bring people back and I hate to break it to you, but adding player kills to your score isn’t going to cut it.

Non linear supply, lots of ways to do this. Personally I’d flag a camp as naturally belonging to one server and will not generate supply for another server, but can be pillaged for stored supply.

Remove anything powerful about downed state, no real explanation needed.

More objectives and larger maps.

Redesign fortifications so that siege can’t be trivially destroyed. Seriously, what kind of person would build a fort where all defenses can be destroyed by a guy with a bow.

Buff arrow carts – really, they suck, just buff them.

Variable points for structures depending on how long they’ve been held. Limits the effectiveness of zerging around the map with a flip and leave mentality.

All things that have been suggested multiple times, I don’t think anyone is listening to be honest.

Smigleesmits.7540:

Take for instance League of Legends, there are multiple NPC objectives that force the two teams into fighting, if you let the other team slay an NPC you are putting your team at a disadvantage

Can’t believe I didn’t even think of that, good example. Is anyone here going to call Baron Nashor in LoL “PvE” content?

salluks.6017:

Why are people hell bent on adding more and more NPCs and AI in WvW rather than PvP always beats my mind..

At this rate, there will be 98 npc’s and 2 actual players in each borderland in less than a year, similar to what LA is right now.

Wasn’t WvW intended to be a massive PvP war in the first place?

No offense btw.

Well except you could make them worth fighting over. One of the things lacking in WvW is there is really only one objective… doors. A lot of people were upset when orbs were removed, not because orbs themselves were particularly interesting, because it was an additional dynamic.

Imagine if the arboreal spirit and the grub were something the 3 servers wanted to contest. Or if some hero NPC emerged from a cave or some such to aid whichever server controlled the area. You can add content like this, just make it something worth fighting for. The game needs additional objectives. Everyone can see the declining player population in WvW, it’s pretty clear that attacking tower after tower ad nauseam isn’t enough for a lot of people.

So Dragonbrand mysteriously just got into Hills on Yak’s borderlands, inner gates were never even close to breached. I guess that’s how we’re playing this huh?

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Nut.4713:

Ron.4920:

Yak’s bend pretty much ruined this tier, with their 24 hour zerg, and their relentless night capping.

lol, geez man. The only thing that comes to mind is /facepalm.

You know, we hear FA saying that WORD FOR WORD in T3. Last place always complains about being out manned, even in T2 I’ve seen it. I’m sure TC will be doing the same if we move up this week.

Well, actually I’m more amused by someone saying this specifically about Yak’s. Considering the prior winners were (for several weeks each) Fort Aspenwood and Crystal Desert. But no no, Yak’s is the one to ruin it with zerging and night capping. CD – you’re okay, Yak’s – night capping, 24 hour zerg terror.

Wizard.4056:

Thanks for all the replies and the sharing of your thoughts.
Lets hope we get some clarification soon, or at least the source of the wiki’s: ‘’hunderds of players have been banned’’

I’m pretty certain that’s not accurate.

Ron.4920:

Yak’s bend pretty much ruined this tier, with their 24 hour zerg, and their relentless night capping.

lol, geez man. The only thing that comes to mind is /facepalm.

Honestly, this is a pretty pointless topic. When eles are jumping around out there in the middle of your horrible zerg, we really don’t have to go down. A lot of people will go down just because they don’t care, knowing almost nobody is competent enough to just counter your vapor form. If you stop us from being able to get back into the tower, nothing will change. We’ll still be leaping through your horrible zerg, we just won’t go down before we get back to tower. And there’s really not a thing you can do about it.

Efface.8460:

Nut.4713:

So I logged in today to one of the most hilarious, nonsensical hours I’ve seen in WvW. I don’t know what got into you idiots, but this is what transpired over the course of less than an hour. It’s like everyone said: It’s Thursday, kitten IT!

http://imgur.com/a/gnauR#0

do you mind toning it down, Aeyden? Plenty ways to put your thoughts out there without the derision. Trust me brother, it’s a slippery slope

Thanks man,

Merry Christmas!

Uh, there’s no derision in there.

So I logged in today to one of the most hilarious, nonsensical hours I’ve seen in WvW. I don’t know what got into you idiots, but this is what transpired over the course of less than an hour. It’s like everyone said: It’s Thursday, kitten IT!

http://imgur.com/a/gnauR#0

Hmmmm, can’t see why this would be considered an exploit. I see no difference between handing another person siege and sending them the gold to buy siege. I’ve also never heard of anyone being banned for this. If hundreds have been banned as the wiki claims, you’d think people would have heard of it.

Well this just got interesting.

Eh, I just often wonder if people really know how many people we field. We seem to have an ability to appear as more than we are. Last match up, there were a number of people from FA trying to argue that we had a force size roughly equal to theirs, which brought a smile to my face.

I hear people say they’re at a numbers disadvantage, then they’ll say things like: Neither Ebay or Mags can field full strength teams in 1 borderland + eternal. I wonder if they realize that’s not much less than we have. On a reset day, we can usually put a queue on two maps and a smaller force on a third. It’s been almost two months since we’ve been able to queue 3 maps, and I can’t remember the last time we had significant presence on 4. Any other time, we’ll have a light queue on 1 map during NA prime time, and maybe another full map’s worth of people split between two borderlands. That doesn’t sound too far different from what the other servers have.

Seriously, I’m geniunely curious how many people Ebay and Mag thinks Yak’s has. How many maps do you think we fill during prime time? How many people do you think we had when we swept through EBBL last night and had 3 nearly all green maps?

Besetment.9187:

Nut.4713:

How many maps do you think yak’s can put a full strength team on? Curious.

See income evolution graph. Says it all really.

That doesn’t say anything about your perception of our numbers.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

The last thing I saw before I took off last night was YB fleeing East Keep after trying to rush it with golems that we knew about way beforehand. Not sure what YB’s thinking was there.

We were thinking we’d take it from you 10 minutes later with those same golems.

Besetment.9187:

The big problem in this matchup is really obvious. Neither Ebay or Mags can field full strength teams in 1 borderland + eternal.

How many maps do you think yak’s can put a full strength team on? Curious.

Mag golem rush, 1 keep. YB golem rush, 1 map. First lesson, don’t reveal your golem presence on a keep that’s easy to take. Second, you telegraphed your attack on garrison, where you got smoked. Only trying to help.

Acelerion.6820:

Rimalder.6735:

A question for our friends over at Mag. Last night there were a group of 8-10 of you running between Speldan and Anz in YBBL. Every one of you had some sort of perma ghost buff that made you glow translucent blue while running and fighting…and you were hard as heck to kill. None of us on the receiving end of your punishment could seem to figure out what buff or elixir that was. Care to enlighten us?

It was a mix of AoN and TLP. We had 5 plus one sidecar.

Im afraid it wouldet be advantageous to give our secrets away :p Ill just say its completely legit and in the game for anyone to use.

That super secret halloween food buff huh? You guys are so good at this game.

Honnor.6295:

Bunzy

I am sure you are a great player

Don’t be so sure.

dreztina.4820:

You guys keep trying to use builds as an excuse, but that isn’t the problem.

You’re right, it’s not. The problem is using anecdotal evidence in support of sweeping generalizations.

Awesome time for a restart, interrupted my zerging. Hopefully the patch won’t take too long. I’ve got some hunting of Mag’s elite squadrons with my zerg to do.

dreztina.4820:

Maguuma isn’t “mostly about” roaming, nor is any other server. The vast majority of every server is just zergers who couldn’t care less about playing well. It’s comparisons of very small percents. Like EB/Maguuma might have 2-3% who roam, and YB has like .05%.

Are there any other statistics you’d care to make up?

dreztina.4820:

edit: /Sigh.. first run in Yak’s, four people chase me for well over five minutes to get the kill. Should have just left but kept hoping some would stop chasing, but nope. This is why I tend to avoid YB, all they do is chase you forever with a massive number advantage, or just run away if it’s even.

Yeah, must be tough fighting those dirty yaks. Mag and ebay are so noble, never fight with larger numbers and never chase.

Setima.8741:

You have 3 seconds where that Thief can’t stealth, he can’t do anything but take damage from you.

3 seconds, lol. At the speed people render in this game, it’s 1 second or less. And this is where all the arguments from thieves supporting stealth break down. I wonder when the people defending the state stealth is in will wake up. The ‘wait till they fix culling’ argument isn’t cutting it any more. That 3 seconds is a myth, and any attempt to use it to support your argument is pure naivety. Any argument of fragility goes straight out the window when you can’t be targeted. Spare me the AoE crap. Thieves are not supposed to be able to fight the rest of us from permanent stealth, yet they can. Time for stealth defenders to merge reality with what they read on skill tool tips. Nobody cares about what is supposed to happen, we care about what does happen.

4 months now and culling/rendering speed has if anything only gotten worse. I wonder if a year from now, thieves will still be screaming ‘wait till they fix culling then address the thief’.

Rhyis.7058:

It was Sunday at 2-4pm EST. Maguuma prime time.

Mag’s has the outmanned buff every night in our BL between 4-8am EST. I don’t mention that because it’s not news.

lol, 4-8am. What do you think Yak’s has at that time? sorry if it’s 2v8 in your BL, doesn’t seem like a big deal.

Whatever, I’m not going to argue about numbers with anyone. If it seems like Yaks has more, it’s because we respond faster than you.

For such leet roamers, Maguuma’s are certainly not very visible. Where are these great small roaming groups? Still haven’t seen OG after more than a week now. Considering how awesome these guys are, you’d think they would do something once in a while.

Also laughing at Bunzy and the other Mag chest thumpers thinking Yak’s is winning this with numbers. You’re a fool if you think there’s a meaningful numbers difference between any of these servers.

Jinks.2057:

Can we fight some yakkies that use skill instead of zerg?

Good lord its like ya’ll turning into CD.

Sure, but you have to leave your zerg to find our roamers.

Or you could make a rational choice to not use the in game statistics if you know them to be false. If your ISP drops when you’re alive manning a siege or something, and your death count goes to 1, just ignore that death. I don’t understand people who choose to play a game not quite as intended, permadeath, peaceful (leveling without killing) etc. then use the in game statistics rigidly, even when they know they’re not necessarily compatible with the way they’re playing.

I still haven’t seen you or your guild. Do you just hide in a corner till you see an opportunity to gank a solo upleveled ranger with 10 people?

Pretty hilarious. And no reason whatsoever to think this is a Yak’s Bend player. Seems more likely it’s someone from Ehmry trolling you.

Loot bags are probably being culled now.

Okay Anet, Habib, whoever. Your trial has received nearly unanimous negative feedback for 4 days now. What are you doing about it and why haven’t you commented? Is there some reason you can’t just revert this patch? It’s not working, not doing what you said it would do. Revert it or tell us what the issue is please.

Who knows. They made a few comments in the sticky thread on Friday. 5 pages of almost unanimous negative feedback over the weekend, and they haven’t commented again. Baffling. Reverting a patch should be easy and quick to do.

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

FA hasn’t had a 4 bl queue for ages, way before we reached tier 3 even during Friday rushes

You did last week actually.

Arcadio.6875:

Having queues on four maps happened once and that was on reset. We mostly have light queues on two maps during our primetime. Sometimes only EB has a queue. Also, GODS hasn’t done zerging for a while now. We split into smaller squads when we have higher numbers.

It’s clear to me now that you just like to exaggerate. Anyone listening to the Yaks claims that their players are better than those of other servers and they manage to match the strength of servers with higher populations should take those claims with a grain of salt. They have the numbers to fight Fort Aspenwood and they have the numbers to win in T4. Exaggerated claims are being made by those who want to inflate their own ego and also justify any losses.

Exaggerate my kitten Light queues on 2 maps is what we do for an hour during peak time on a reset day, often not even then. Last week when FA had 4 maps queued, Yak’s had one map queued and out manned in a second. What you call typical is our maximum. It’s been over a month since we’ve even had a significant presence on a third map, forget about putting anyone on a fourth. This is a stupid argument. Head back to the match up threads from the past 3 weeks if you’re still confused.