Guild Wars 2

Arcadio.6875:

Nut.4713:

Yak’s has never had FA’s population, it’s not even close now. If it seems like it, it’s because player for player we beat just about anyone. This week is the first I’ve fought Mag’s in a while, but based on this weekend, they out number us. Out numbered in tier 4, yet able to punch into tier 3. All in a day’s work.

During the FA/YB/ET fight, you guys easily had similar numbers for NA and outnumbered us during off peak. After we got off peak transfers, I’ll admit we outnumber you there. But on weekends, you continued to put out similar numbers to FA during primetime.

The funny thing is, after our week against Mag, we were shocked when fighting your server because you guys weren’t putting out good tactics like they were. You just had numbers. At least with GODS, almost all our skirmishes went our way (obviously when we outnumbered but also when numbers were even or we were slightly outnumbered). Only time we got wiped was when Yaks far outnumbered us. I know another FA guild had a similar experience too. The only thing Yaks really did better is defend what they have.

Note: This post isn’t meant to be an insult to Yaks though it may seem like it. I’m truly baffled by the statements that their people keep making that they are great players who are able to keep up while being outnumbered. In the four matches we were up against them, I never noticed this. In the most recent of the two matches we’ve had with Mag, they made more of an impression on me.

Strange comments you make here. Even on reset day at best we can fill 2 maps and put a token presence on a third. That might last a couple hours a week just after reset. The rest of the week we can’t even fill 2 maps, it’s been this way for a while. Meanwhile we know FA is still able at times to put queues on all 4 maps during NA prime time. That’s not some small difference you can get confused about. I’m honestly baffled that you could fight us for 4 weeks and not have a general idea of relative numbers. Were just not noticing the persistent out manned buff on Yak’s?

Also a strange comment about GODS. I’ve been part of wiping the GODS zerg more times than I can count, and almost never with equal numbers.

Rhyis.7058:

Nut.4713:

This week is the first I’ve fought Mag’s in a while, but based on this weekend, they out number us. Out numbered in tier 4, yet able to punch into tier 3. All in a day’s work.

Yaks has had a full online population 24/7 since our match up started. Mag hasn’t had a full total online population since the first week after launch.

I like this match up with you Yakkies, but you’re literally insane if you think you got less or equal numbers with Mag or even EBay.

Did you just look at the server capacity tag? We’re talking WvW here.

Syeria.4812:

Until culling is fixed, adjustments to thief are impossible to gauge. With how stealth interacts with culling, thief does have an unfair advantage in WvW, but you don’t want to make class adjustments because of a temporary issue somewhere else in the game.

Are we really still calling culling a temporary issue?

Yeah, good ideas. Grouping in WvW could certainly be so much more than it is now. Quite an archaic system they have really.

Times.4358:

Okay the siege i can see, so why in the hell the best way to get badges from jumping puzzles?

Yeah or you could you know… kill people, which gives badges at a faster rate. Unless you just fall over and die of course.

Arcadio.6875:

Yak’s Bend has a similar population (or at least they did weeks ago) to Fort Aspenwood during NA primetime. The problem is that their population stops showing up after the weekend. I’m actually surprised they were not winning in the hours after reset in their current match. They only came back at night. Maybe they really do have a lower population now.

Yak’s has never had FA’s population, it’s not even close now. If it seems like it, it’s because player for player we beat just about anyone. This week is the first I’ve fought Mag’s in a while, but based on this weekend, they out number us. Out numbered in tier 4, yet able to punch into tier 3. All in a day’s work.

What….. ?? I don’t…. is he complaining about rangers? Some sort of weird joke I’m sure.

I take back my diplomatic words from earlier. Whatever you did has made the game almost unplayable. Even 10 enemies are taking seconds to render. How is Anet having so much trouble getting this solved?

Add me to the ’it’s worse’ pile. Allies not rendering is a nuisance, and enemies are not rendering any faster. If anything they’re rendering more slowly.

Awwww, you guys! Yo Desirz, when is FOO coming back? I miss diving into 20 with you and making them think twice about advancing. Can’t find another D/D ele on Yak’s to do that with.

Portaling is broken, and your cherry picking of singular abilities of other professions without considering the larger picture doesn’t change that.

No thanks. EB jumping puzzle takes up too much time. Time people are not contributing to their team’s effort. Ban portals and you just take more people away from the map for longer periods of time. Which brings me to:

Bunzy.8674:

whats the point of even having a jumping puzzle.

I don’t know if server merges are the answer. They need to attract more players into WvW and away from fractals, cursed shore and pointless legendary farming. WvW populations are laughable right now and a lot of it is because Anet hasn’t done anything with it.

Quite a few blatant hacks from All or Nothing guild on Mag. Disappointed.

Unfortunately.5940:

We decided we didn’t want to waste our time fighting a battle we couldn’t win against zergs from both other servers in our own borderlands. Which ties together with this:

Do you guys on FA realize that the YB force hitting your border is very often only around 30 people total? Zergs… really. Honestly how many people do you think we’re putting there?

Kerithlan.1659:

Arkard.3970:

Night score update below:

Just to comment about FA’s defenses vs YB’s defenses again

While that was happening, referring to the image of a pure green fabl you were speaking of, PRO + a few pugs had roughly 30 people at Cliffside in ybbl. They did really well holding it, to give them credit, but obviously was a hopeless defense since they had nothing else on the map. Meanwhile, they lose their entire border to what frankly wasn’t a particularly strong push from TC.

I don’t get FA sometimes to be honest. Seems like they don’t really want to compete sometimes and would rather just screw around. They’re the only server I’ve fought and would say that about. They have the numbers to put queues on all 4 maps on friday night, comical really compared to what YB can muster. yet massively struggle to beat YB who can at best put half that on the map.

I’ve always said I prefer to be the out numbered server and win with team work and superior player skill. We’re still doing really well if you ask me and I’m immensely proud to be a member of yaks. There are times however when I get frustrated with being horribly out numbered, look at FA and shake my head. Give us their potential numbers and we would crush this tier.

Kerithlan.1659:

Nut.4713:

Kerithlan.1659:

YB constantly zerg Rogue’s, but our camps aren’t usually quiet.

lol, that’s a joke right? The back and forth between Rogues/Speldan is typically 4:1 in favor of TC. Zerg my kitten

Half of the time you guys flip the Dredge camp you storm into our camp too. In fact today we were barely able to scratch you guys at Speldan while you flipped Rogue’s at least three times. Don’t tell me you guys don’t consider 30 Yak’s Benders a zerg?

Sure it is, I didn’t get on till later today, can’t speak for what happened before hand. But what you’re describing is highly atypical and I trust I don’t need to explain how unusual events can’t logically be used to support an argument. Frankly I’m doubtful we sent 30 several times tonight. When I was on tonight, we attacked with 8 or 9. We don’t have the resources to send 30 there unless there’s some pressing reason to flip the camp, which is rare.

This is the second week running I’ve been on the western supply route in EB. Quite honestly I’ve been there more than probably anybody on this board. Attacks from yaks are typically 5-8 people on rogues, that’s all we can spare. The majority of the times we flip dredge we do so with 5 or fewer and don’t bother with rogues because we’ve learned it provokes a TC zerg at our camp. TC on the other hand is almost guaranteed to send 20+ up towards speldan’s every time a dredge event is up.

Kerithlan.1659:

YB constantly zerg Rogue’s, but our camps aren’t usually quiet.

lol, that’s a joke right? The back and forth between Rogues/Speldan is typically 4:1 in favor of TC. Zerg my kitten

Astry.9476:

[GODS] never transferred. The few that did move to TC are no longer in guild.

Are you suggesting GODS lost only a few people? Because I haven’t seen more than a handful this week, compared with endless 40 man zergs last week. PRO on the other hand looks like the new GODS.

Edit: Also have seen several PRO members alt-f4 tonight. I am disappoint.

So did PRO get the GODS people that stayed on FA? Because yall are looking really zergy lately.

Any change is highly likely to be a one week hiatus, so you guys might as well get used to this match up. If Yak’s moves down, we most likely would crush T4, and I don’t think there’s any reason to believe CD has changed enough in the past 3 weeks to do anything in T3. And trust me TC, you do not want to fight SoR and Blackgate in T2.

Tallis.5607:

Maniac.5163:

Out of curiosity, what are TC queues like? FA actually had a queue on every single map in prime time which was awesome, the first time I’ve seen it.

On TC there are queues on every map at peak hours too and often there is a queue to EB at off-hours.

Queues on every map… good lord. I don’t even think all the T1 servers do that anymore.

Psychological approach? As Freud once said: He’s naked, kill him!

daphoenix.4283:

Sincerely,
That one [GODS] elementalist from FA that just won’t die

Are you the one that runs away all the time? Stop it, your team could have actually won some of those fights if you didn’t fleee.

Luna.9640:

Just to make the picture clear for everyone since i noticed that not everyone is getting the point :

If enemy attackers build a siege you can go out and kill it with player attack but if defenders build a siege on top of unreachable supply depot from outside player attacks something is wrong since rest of the siege weapons are placed on the walls which make them attackable like the weapons attackers deploy outside when attacking and vulnerable to player attacks and thats why defended.

keywords : Reachable and Unreachable.

It’s reachable with a treb and in some cases a cata. I think you should explain why you think siege should all be reachable with player AE.

It’s certainly completely out of whack when compared to the relative cost of obtaining Karma or crafted gear. I wouldn’t increase the drop rate, since badges can buy siege. Increasing the drop rate would make siege essentially infinite for many of us. I’d reduce the cost of the gear to be more in line with the time commitment required to obtain gear via other activities.

I don’t see the issue with this. If anything, defensive siege is much too easy to destroy. There are many towers designed such that there are no safe places to put siege along walls with a clear shot, i.e. Lake tower, Woodhaven/Longview/Sunnyhill, Anza. AEing down siege on a wall, and area denial of players on walls is far too easy. Having positions for siege that players can’t just AE down in seconds is absolutely necessary. You can always treb it down. A siege of a tower should be more than just AEing down the siege and dropping rams at the door.

I’ll never understand the mentality that the jumping puzzles should be a free source of badges and siege, rather than an extension of the PvP map.

Kind of surprised to hear someone complaining about it being too easy to stomp. Most of the complaints are the other way ’round.

It’s highly amusing to me that so many people including a community coordinator consider a massive guild transferring within the tier to be off topic.

I wouldn’t call a situation that encourages you to leave the zerg a bad situation.

The ‘400k -30k = non WvW population’ is just a horribly misleading number. It suggests people play exclusively one or the other which just isn’t true. It includes players fiddling with the TP, players AFK in Lion’s Arch, players leveling a new character, players in queue for WvW, players fiddling with the dye on their character and a host of other activities. Many of these are dedicated WvW players, but you’re including them in the non WvW segment. I know I play exclusively for WvW, but only about 80% of my time logged in is spent in a WvW map. It’s entirely possible that people identifying themselves as WvW players as opposed to PvEers is a small segment of the population. But let’s be realistic, if you are in the ball park, it’s via pure chance not because this analysis is rigorous.

Anyway, which is it really? Does WvW receive little development because there aren’t many players, or are the current population woes a result of PvE focused development. Personally I think it’s the latter.

lol, thanks for linking. I was heart broken when I heard I’d missed that.

Altie.4571:

Is this the same YB that was complaining about everything just two weeks ago?

it doesn’t seem like it so I’m confused.

I think you’re confusing Yak’s with FA.

Hmmmm, do I complain about 2v1 now? I don’t know how to do this, new to me. Can anyone help me out? Maybe someone from FA?

kanikani.2430:

The heart of the problem there though is that the ‘system’ as it is designed is highly against defending. Meaning there is no reward most times for many hours whatsoever. No gold, no karma, no xp, not even any fun. What happens is that you spend a night chasing after some camps if your lucky which is irritating at best.

I’m on a boat right now. There’a a lot of us on this boat and I don’t know where we’re going, don’t care either. In this boat, we don’t give a rat’s kitten about karma, xp or gold, but we do have fun defending. Thanks for all the badges in EB tonight TC! Your zergs are huge and only rarely productive.

After complaining endlessly last week in the match up thread, that wasn’t enough. There is now a thread devoted entirely to whining from FA. I’m speechless.

Cirus.5748:

That’s right, 1 person can stagnate a 30 man zerg.

Whatever you’re taking, I would like some please.

Serelisk.6573:

Nut.4713:

Serelisk.6573:

Yak’s, you must be scared of TC or something because I’ve never even seen you make an attempt on or take a keep over there but that entire borderlands has turned all blue more than once this week because FA recognizes that the winning server should be focused on.

At what, 7 am? We don’t have people on then. When our people are on TC defends their border. You guys are terribad at defending your border. Might as well pick the low hanging fruit no?

A bit hard to defend your borderlands when both opposing servers are blitzing their respective sides simultaneously and apparently unhindered by the other server’s presence in the map. Was looking for those cross swords at greenlake or redbriar so that we could capitalize and counter on a split force but those never turned up for some reason. o.0

Yeah, that’s sort of how it goes on your own border. There’s little point to the back and forth between the attackers at the island, so you push north. At least until you take the keeps. The other two servers seem to be able to handle their defense just fine.

I think we’re all a little tired of this crying wolf over non existent double teams. This is the 4th or 5th time, beginning on page 1, that members of the FA server have whined on this thread over perceived double teaming and I think we’re all a little sick of it. Stop making excuses for having so much trouble on your border and step up your game if it bothers you.

Serelisk.6573:

Yak’s, you must be scared of TC or something because I’ve never even seen you make an attempt on or take a keep over there but that entire borderlands has turned all blue more than once this week because FA recognizes that the winning server should be focused on.

At what, 7 am? We don’t have people on then. When our people are on TC defends their border. You guys are terribad at defending your border. Might as well pick the low hanging fruit no?

When do we get to build a trojan horse?

Isaac.6041:

Elementalist:
-Use Swirling Winds to defend trebuchets and catapults
-Use AOE (Staff skills/Glyph of Storms) to destroy siege equipment on walls.
-Some healing abilities

And all this time I thought I could kill people. kitten

And add the orb guardians that continued to respawn after the keep flipped. Must have taken a lot of work, surely at least 10 people.

Static.9841:

Nut.4713:

mechadude.2561:

Fantastic fight in Stonemist tonight. TC defending against both FA and YB it was a blast, and went on for multiple hours! Good job to all 3 servers, this match up has been great so far.

Meh, we pretty much had to call it off when outmanned popped up. That was no more than 10 min. after north outer fell. Of course pubs being pubs, I’m sure you still saw a lot of people milling around. Wasn’t a serious attack. Was disappointed we couldn’t assault SM, was hoping for another siege like the one last night, but such is the life of the out numbered server.

Edit: We may give another go at it tonight. We’ll see.

You sure had a lot of people in there after the 10 minute mark, there was little organisation though

Ya think? Was maybe 30 and that was everyone on the map.

mechadude.2561:

Fantastic fight in Stonemist tonight. TC defending against both FA and YB it was a blast, and went on for multiple hours! Good job to all 3 servers, this match up has been great so far.

Meh, we pretty much had to call it off when outmanned popped up. That was no more than 10 min. after north outer fell. Of course pubs being pubs, I’m sure you still saw a lot of people milling around. Wasn’t a serious attack. Was disappointed we couldn’t assault SM, was hoping for another siege like the one last night, but such is the life of the out numbered server.

Edit: We may give another go at it tonight. We’ll see.

There’s actually a number of decent matches right now. After a month or more, the fallout from the blackgate/henge/ET/SoR (among others) mass transfers is finally stabilizing. Shouldn’t be more than a week or two before henge/ET stop falling and creating gross imbalance. No offense henge/ET guys who stuck with it, not your fault of course and I salute your loyalty to your server. With any luck, we won’t get much more band wagoning.

The fight actually in the lord room was so laggy and rendering such an issue, you couldn’t have picked a side to focus if you wanted to. Even fighting at all was a problem for many people, skills just wouldn’t fire, and you couldn’t see anyone not right in front of you to fire them at anyway. Suggesting TC picked a side to focus during the lord room fight is laughable.

As for the battles before Yaks pushed into the lord room. It took an hour, maybe an hour and a half between breaking the outer wall to pushing into the keep. TC initially defended the north with a very large force and significant defensive siege. TC however was completely unable to fight Yaks on the ground despite similar numbers. The 2 or 3 times they tried, it was a slaughter. Some time later, after destroying siege, fighting wall defenders, TC fell back to build siege in the lord room. By this time, FA was beginning to attack SM as well. Maybe this is when Vagrant tried telling people to focus FA. It didn’t make a bit of difference. Whatever stalling of FA they attempted didn’t work. All 3 teams were in the lord room in force at roughly the same time.

As for the subsequent defense of SM. I destroyed those catas you’re talking about. Maybe you told people to leave them, maybe you didn’t, it didn’t matter. If you’d stayed, you would have died there. After losing SM, TC lost most of their map presence. They was in no position to be making any sort of an impact. All TC was doing at this point was skirmishing with Yaks in front of SM. Over the next couple of hours TC mostly stayed in their territory, they certainly had no impact on the FA siege of SM. The only time they really left their territory was to push north and take the western towers from Yaks while we were busy fighting FA on the east. They didn’t stay to defend them.

The situation hadn’t changed when our wall upgrade finished, trapping FA inside. You certainly could not have wiped FA for us, despite what you would like to think. I don’t think you realize how many people FA had in EB at that point since they were all on our side of the map. I assure you, you did not have the numbers to keep them out of SM.

I don’t doubt you and maybe a few others were saying in /team to concentrate more on FA than Yaks. Ultimately though, whatever you tried to do had no material impact on the outcome.

Moderator.6837:

Hello,

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Oh good, a canned response, from a moderator who has nothing to do with developing the game. I’m placated for another 3 months.

Why are we still talking about emotes, it’s been 6 pages already. Does anyone really care that much?

And Vagrant, I was there throughout the SM siege you’re referring to and the subsequent defense. Your claims are pure nonsense.

Yes, it’s possible and even likely at this point. I hope there is a rematch and numbers are back to normal. This week has been horribly boring due to not having the man power to significantly attack borderlands. That’s across the board, but particularly on Yak’s side. Just logged in a few minutes ago, saw everyone mostly sitting in their respective thirds, logged straight out.