Guild Wars 2

you resort to criticizing the way i post. go away… you made the statement not me. the bottom line is activity on BL is slow and lacking action. one fight or 5 fights doesn’t make a bit of difference in the scheme of things.

Ps. if you cant follow the conversation maybe you should either discontinue posting or learn when and how quotations are used.

Did I put a sign up asking for trolls to come to my posts???

I don’t need to learn to quote to put your “argument” to rest. I don’t presume, I observe. In the three servers I’ve been to since HoT I’ve seen very little in the way of activity on any BL. And even when there is activity it usually consists of one group jumping to a BL and taking it over or a good portion of it, because the defenders have left it.

To be clear it was you that presumed nobody goes there(see your own statement). “it’s not too bad besides not many fights happen there. That’s due to players refusing to go there though”

Use that preview button a little more often and you can avoid contradicting yourself.

Yuffi.2430:

The layout of the original maps was right. Each server had their home borderlands and we all had an equal footing on a central map we could fight over. Home borderlands should be easy to defend (and therefore much harder to conquer). This is fair because it’s the same for each server. I’m not the only person who remembers the ebb and flow of colour in EB while my home BL was defended and kept the “right” colour by the efforts of a number of dedicated home BL players.

The new WP layout changes all this dramatically. We now have 4 EB style setups. This has alienated many who enjoyed defending their home BL and spreads those who seek the ebb and flow of battle across 4 maps. This is a quite a shift in philosophy and I don’t like the fact it effectively removed a play style that I know some people enjoyed.

Having a WP on each home BL is not the same at all. Any players who want to defend are now spread across three maps instead of being concentrated on one. I know TeamSpeak spans map boundaries but map chat doesn’t, and it’s not uncommon for TS to have separate channels for different maps anyway.

Before the new waypoint changes you knew a home borderlands would be defended (with extreme prejudice) and if you did manage to take a foothold and even get a WP in a T3 keep it really felt like an achievement.

My home BL should belong to my server. It does not have to be equally accessible to my opponents – they have their own. The waypoints in my home BL should be mine and give me faster access around my home map. If you can take them from me then you’re doing well and deserve them.

In short, I believe the changes to WP ownership has turned the borderlands into EBmk2. This has adversely affected a number of players and the way the map is played. No-one should have an automatic right to a WP in my home – they should earn this by conquest (which is what WvW is about anyway).

Well said

Doesn’t take an hour to run across the map.. Maybe learn the map and get shrines to get 40% speed buff first before making excuses. Sometimes I think people just make stuff up and actually never even gave this map a try or gave up after the first attempt. I just started to play on this map. Its not too bad besides not many fights happen there. That’s due to players refusing to go there though. I did have to transfer though but at least now people are playing on the maps.

Funny people still use the words “nobody” and “everyone” just because they choose to not do something they think “everyone” else does the same thing.[/quote]

Funny that you presume to know how much I know about the new map.

Wow… “Its not too bad besides not many fights happen there. That’s due to players refusing to go there though”

So the new WvW map is not bad except for the lack of WvWing going on? Brilliant

I’ve learned enough of the new map to know it’s not really set up for much beyond nice to look at. If offers very little in the way of strategic benefit. It’s confusing even for those who play it a good deal. We’ve had commanders needing to take time to stop and check the map to make sure they are actually traveling the right way. the amount of time needed to navigate the entire map would depend on how many towers/keeps you are trying to defend so I suppose an hour is not an extreme amount of time if you are forced to stop a number of times trying to figure out where the breach is and repair it. oh wait unless i learn the map and get that speed boost…smh

there is no advantage to defenders if you are on other than your own map. Which is why BL’s are so dead. Nobody wants to run for an hour around a map that is mostly empty only to arrive and find that three people were able to take a keep while you tried to navigate your own keep to get to where it was damaged. Sich stay off my thread.

I see three waypoints i should have per map? running from spawn to east and then west is an exercise in futility. Why are you even posting here. you offer nothing but a pointless argument. Move to another server? I moved down servers because i prefer the style of fighting here. I don’t have a population problem Anet does. It’s not even a population problem it’s a poor logistics issue. Bottom line is if they waypoints at the east and west sides are continually contested they offer nothing and should be removed. and if you are defending a keep with 2 or 3 people you are definitely in a low tier server. go troll somewhere else.

crickets* shocked

Sich.7103:

Just take 1 keep on each map, then yo will have 3 WP… Use community guild to speak accross map and call for help when needed… Problem solved…
I miss the old BL with 1 team controlling all the map, but we can’t on this map. And to be honest, we have more activity when we play like this.

You have no WP because they are always contested. So basically get a zerg and your problem is solved??? The point of this new design was supposedly so that less people could defend a position. Well 0 is less…in lower tiers most keeps are empty. Getting to a keep under attack is a near impossibility. I stand by what I said. It was a misplaced attempt at leveling the playing field.

it’s a bit silly and frustrating…you would think the idea would be to allow your members a chance to move throughout the map to defend or attack ….this is a misplaced attempt at leveling the playing field.

so borderland wp’s are pointless. they are ALWAYS contested at the “keeps” and serve no purpose. Has anybody heard if this is gonna change or is this just another extra goody we get for WvW?

Thank you!

So is this going to turn into the same type of thing as ele being able to still mist back into a tower. Rangers can shoot through walls with arrows or axe. This is exploited daily in wvw. Any plans to fix ?

thinking of moving servers and was curious if there are guilds on FC that run havoc ? I’m not much for zergs and solo is fine for a while, but a nice small team causing problems for the other guy is what i like.

I’m looking for a guild that is WvW and has activity during PST. I’m in California and would like to be able to play with a group that is on for my time zone. I’m a decent player (surely not the best) I main Mesmer but have leveled every class at least once. prefer to play backline characters when possible, but I’m willing to try other classes to help out. I play mostly in havoc but every now and then jump on the Ktrain.

If your server is open i don’t have a problem transferring as long as there is a group to run with.

solo roaming has taken a bit hit with a lot of the changes auto upgrading and such has made it much harder. that being said I am still able to take camps with my Mesmer and with speed runes can get around quickly enough. Lots of stealth to avoid groups of roaming try-hards as well. Not sure what you are comfortable with but Mes takes a little time to get used to, but it does have it’s moments where it’s great.

Lost part of the ground and couldn’t open the rift, then I couldn’t glide when the dragon mounts his large attack. I’ve retried 4 times with the same result every time.

•Describe a typical hour for you in the Alpine Borderlands in the past. For example, What size of group were you running in? What kind of tasks did you run? What activities did you do?
Typically small groups of 5 or less. Most tasks centered around maintaining our supply line if on our BL and suppressing opposing supply lines if on other BL. Mostly taking supply camps and fighting other small havoc groups .

•Compare your experience described above with a typical hour spent in Eternal Battlegrounds, if you went there at all. Does your style of play change between the 2 maps?
On EBG more time was spent in small havoc groups disrupting zergs or small scale fighting. It was different in the fact that we weren’t necessarily attempting to keep supply running or disrupt opposing supply.

•Compare your experiences described above with an hour spent in the new borderlands.
In the new borderlands it takes twice as long to navigate the map. We are more likely to pick a section of the map (N,S,E,W) and defend it or take it over if on opposing BL.

•Describe the nature of combat in the borderlands in the past. How have the new borderlands impacted this paradigm for you? What style or build changes might it cause? For example, knocking people off cliffs or into lava might play a more important role.
I have found that most often if I encounter groups of opposing players we are outnumbered by a good deal as it seems that larger groups are brought into the BL due to it’s increased size. Defending is not necessarily any easier either. Have not had opportunity to use the environment to my advantage other than to run away from larger groups.

•In your experience, compare the time it takes take a structure or objective here, then it did in the past.
The time involved to take a structure has at least doubled. taking a camp is a far longer process as well. As long as a tower has not been upgraded to fortified walls or gates it can be taken or at least breached before an opposing group can get there. The travel time in the new BL makes it very difficult to get to a tower that is being attacked and defend it.

•How is the loot and wxp for you compared to in the past? Will it be able to sustain whatever you are doing? Did it take a hit, or was it improved? If you are planning to unlock an elite specialization, do you think you were helped or hurt in these regards? Do you think you could pursue any other in-game goals just by playing WvW?

I haven’t noticed an overwhelming difference in loot other than newer exotic drops. The elite specialization has taken far longer than anticipated, and I’ve come to realize that unless I spend a much greater amount of time in game I will not be able to get the elite that I am pursuing. With the current lack of interest in WvW it seems unlikely to attain many goals strictly in WvW.

•How will the map change impact the long sessions (multiple hours) you spend in WvW?
It has caused me to play far less than i had in the past. The lack of participation in Wvw is disheartening and the fact that I can not compete with those who have played enough to get their elite unlocked makes it far more difficult.

•In 100 words or less, describe how the new BLs could be improved.
The new BLs are just too big to navigate effectively. Either making short cuts to towers or additional WPs in my opinion are the only ways to make it viable for combat over towers and camps. Additionally it feels so much like EoTM that I think some are hesitant to even try to learn the map. I think the BL should have it’s own feel and not be modeled so much after EoTM.

•In 100 words or less, describe how the borderlands work to a new WvW player.
I think that a new WvW player would be a bit lost unless they had spent some time in EoTM to understand how the map really works.

•In 100 words or less, describe how the borderlands work to a veteran WvW player that is new to the maps. The new maps are frustrating. There are so many dead ends and turns to nowhere that require somebody to spend a great deal of time in the map to even understand it to a small degree. They are far and away different from the previous maps and while that isn’t a bad thing, they have become far too confusing to navigate.

•Which map am I most likely to find you currently, if you’re on Gw2? EBG

yeah this is all great …..if you wanted to play Eotm….oh wait if i wanted to play that i would….one more step in the grave for this once enjoyable game…

these “issues” are becoming more commonplace. so either a great deal of people are encountering these issues and it’s an enormous coincidence or there is a lot more cheating going on than people care to admit. I’m gonna lean towards the second option.

Rangerdeity.5847:

Your idea has been dismissed by the community please stop trying

All 6 of you….

I’ll do that thanks

I’m currently on the DB server but I’m looking for a guild in a server with an active PST for WvW prefer in NA. I currently run a Mesmer in WvW but have a Necro, Ranger, or Guardian that I’m comfortable with and Warrior, ele, or Thief ( not comfortable on those :P). I can switch servers right away as long as the WvW is active. Leave me a message here or hit me up in game if you think I might fit in with your guild.

Still actively recruiting

Geniekid.2645:

No, not a failure.

Most of the problems people have mentioned in this thread are WvW problems, not seasonal league tournament problems. Just the fact that you have all these angry people who suddenly care about their WvW status when they didn’t give a kitten before is a huge success.

You do realize this is a WvW discussion right? Of course they are WvW problems. server imbalances are huge. DB would be lucky to be a viable bronze league at this point. It just means a ton of infighting and no chance to actually play in WvW because servers with greater activity i.e. FA just spawn camp and zerg roll over everything lower end servers try to mount. It’s not fun if it’s not even competitive.