Guild Wars 2

Pretty terrible article. Haven’t played for a while and this doesn’t say anything to suggest the game will improve. Just blah blah blah.

Meh. No point in coming and saying it’s easy, even if it is much less stress than the clocktower. It’s elitism to suggest that. Maybe Anet should just make normal jump puzzles. These are nice to discover and do, but mind numbingly easy, and no fun whatsoever. I have no idea how it can take people like 5 hours to do this. Bad attitude? Maybe, but i can’t see what is happening to make you fail so much.

The entire of GW2 should not be designed around a minority of players who have trouble. Pretty silly thing to say.

Alot more forgiving than the Clocktower but fun. The scenery is amazingly good.

Once again a total lack of respect for the playerbase. People want to prepare to log on. Guilds want to prepare. EU people do no want to wait all night. Disgusting treatment. We need a time. If it’s the same 12:00 pst fine, but tell us that.

AndrewMcLeod.3857:

This is something that existed prior to ascended gear, and was something that we saw happen all the time in GW1, even without any sort of gear progression. Some players, typically people who play the game a lot, tend to only want to play with other players that play like them. They require some sort of proof to get into their party, whether it be displaying your Lightbringer Title, equipping or linking some type of gear, or using some other method of showing that you have already done and are experienced with the content. While ascended gear might be the new excuse, this behavior happens regardless.

While this is not really something that we want to encourage, players do have the choice to play the game in the way they want. We can’t force those players to be all-inclusive in who they invite to the parties they create, and to be honest, doing so would probably make people even more unhappy than they are now, and lead to a lot of undesirable behavior.

While i haven’t taken major issue with all of this, this point is an incredibly disappointing post. This post doesn’t have anything to do with Ascended gear. Instead you’ve tried to twist the answer into something more broad in the genre. Adding new gear adds new gear requirements, that’s a fact. More gear progression was something the Guild Wars franchise is know for, and was laid out prior to GW2.

The worst part is where you talk about encouraging this behaviour you talk about. Even though the behaviour isn’t the point, you’re actually admitting to promoting said behaviour. You don’t want to encourage it, yet you have anyway.

Honestly. Some of Anet’s posts and transparency has really raised my eyebrows lately. For good reason i feel. Certain issues aren’t commented on at all-i can’t play my Necro STILL after all this time, and this, and other issues. I suggest you get it together and show some respect to those who deserve it.

There is no End game, just a big game with a ton of content. 500 hours clocked without hardly touching Spvp, WvW or dungeons.

Just one more thing… If you don’t do these for Special event’s that’s fine. But please stick them in as permanent content updates!

This is a sad day. The clock tower was one of the most rewarding pieces of content in Guild Wars 2. If this means a lack of these things in the future. That’s a huge shame, and i beg you to reconsider Josh.

Let’s have a small new’s flash? Most Jumping puzzles in the game are ridiculously easy. This is what most jumping puzzles should be like…. please do more, and don’t cut down…

Not dismissing any legitimate problems, but all this talk about botting and such? Yeah botting is a problem that needs to be dealt with, but how on earth is everyone butthurt about it?

500 hours into the game. I’ve received goldseller mails. I tell you what though, after the first 3 weeks i have had ZERO. Botting? Not even noticed any. How would a bot impact gameplay in PVE? Not at all. Dungeons? Nope? WvW i could see it being a problem.

I just don’t see how this many people seem to be mad about bots when in the majority of the game they don’t even affect anything. Yes it’s a problem. The point is though Anet are dealing with it. That’s as far as we should be concerned.

Karthaugh.6532:

Volcane Crucio.4723:

It’s fine. It just takes a lot of tries before you get it. Get over it. I’m getting pretty annoyed with the " I want it now for 0% effort mentality".

The guy says he’s been doing it for five hours, most people in my guild have been doing it for 4+. a few got lucky perfect runs early on. no effort? right.

It’s not about effort. Trying for 5 hours doesn’t mean you should be able to do it. You actually need to have the ability to learn and adapt. If you don’t… then you don’t get the reward? Pretty simple.

Account.9832:

TerryLong.9561:

You are annoyed now. But once you complete it. It will be rewarding.

No, once you complete it you will feel relieved. There’s a difference.

Completing the Clock Tower, at this point, is more a matter of luck in terms of group composition and race selection than a demonstration of skill.

If you’re a human in a group of asuras, you’ll probably complete it >50% of the times. If you’re an asura in a group of norn and / or charr, you’ll probably complete it <5% of the times.

That is evidence of bad design and poor testing.

And it would be easily solved by making it a solo / party instance. People should be “fighting” the jumps and the timer, not fighting the blocked view and buggy camera.

There is no evidence of anything of the sort, you just pulled a bunch of numbers from your behind. The jumping puzzle can be chaotic at the start, but if you have any decency in just learning what to do, you will complete it. If you fail, it is your fault. You can basically memorize the start for crying out loud, at which point you usually pull away from the pack anyway.

RainbowSyrup.4130:

Haette.2701:

“I dont want it to take zero effort. I want it to be doable.”

It is doable. This is no different from Giganticus Lupicus.

I’m totally understanding about the visibility issues. It does get hard to see, but even then it’s possible, especially since 80% of the people fall off early on.

It is not doable for me. Ive spent 5hrs in that puzzle, it is way too hard for a puzzle that is only around for a limited time. If it was permanent I wouldnt give a kitten

Then the simple, blunt answer is that you just won’t be able to complete it. All content does not come with a pre requisite that it must be able to be done by anyone no matter what. As others have noted in this thread, it’s very doable. Nerfing it would make it trivial. This is a learning process, but if after 5 hours you aren’t nearly completing it, or progressing, then it just isn’t for you.

@Anthsss Here’s where we hit a snag. You didn’t know the exact chance, and you `clearly have a big problem with that. So, it stands to question why on earth you bought keys in the first place in the knowledge you were obviously unhappy about not knowing the facts, right?

I’m sorry i’ve seen this argument and i don’t buy it. The only reason people are using the weak ‘they never told us the odds’ argument is because they lost. Yet before that they were happy to blow money. The reason why is because you lot don’t actually care at all, if you got benefit. You didn’t so now there’s an uproar.

EDIT: Just and edit to reinforce the fact. Fact is, you can’t complain about it being gambling after you’ve bought a ton of keys. This just proves you knew it ws a gamble yet did it anyway. Hence no backbone. Hence everyones now butthurt about it. This just shows how people will try to use situations to their advantage just because they’re in a bad position now.

@Crapgame. It should be noted that winning a paid tournament or coming second i believe rewards you with gems as well as the other rewards so the ticket somewhat pay for themselves. Also tickets drop freely from even free tournament chests, i know this because i have some. So it’s easy to assume tickets will drop from paid chests too.

EDIT: Probably not relevant that they drop from chests due to chests being received on level up but still. You receive gems for winning so it may soften the blow.

azurrei.5691:

BAMFZILLA.1850:

“Between October 23 and November 5 each Black Lion Chest you open has a chance to give you one of six exclusive Halloween-themed weapon skins!”

People that feel they got ripped off knew going in that there was a chance of getting a skin. Nobody knew entirely what that chance was only that there was a chance.

You guys should’ve stopped and thought for a second “is my hard earned money really worth just a chance?” like me and I’m sure everyone else who decided not to buy keys and chests did. Arenanet didn’t rip you off, you ripped yourself off.

I’m not a fanboy, I could give 2 kitten how successful guild wars 2 does. I’ve already gotten my 200 hours of playtime and $60 worth so if it tanks it doesn’t effect me, but the ignorance of people on this forum is extremely obnoxious.

In all fairness, “chance” is extremely vague.

People assumed maybe 2-5% drop rate, which is already LOW.

In reality, it is a fraction of that – which is ridiculous. However, now that people know the super low odds of special BLC drops – most people will never again bother with buying keys.

Anet’s loss in the end.

Oh my god. It’s hard to keep my temper now because of you people. CHANCE is exactly what it says. A CHANCE. You don’t know what people assumed, and it’s irrelevant. You DIDN’T KNOW the chance, but there is a chance. There was no bullkitten and you got what you paid for.???? Why you people can’t accept this fact i cannot fathom.

Once again you can be disappointed but it is TOTALLY FAIR AND LEGIT. You only have yourselves to blame, that’s it. Stop blaming Anet for your disappointment about your risk, look at yourselves.

@buzzkapow I can understand disappointment. But ‘not being fairly compensated for the money we invested’ ? I’m being totally serious. This is what happened. Whether their policy was right or wrong, you and everybody else invested money in ‘A chance to receive a special skin from a black lion chest’.

You can’t base an argument on what you and everybody else assumed they meant. You don’t have a leg to stand on in this matter. The reason is, you obviously either assumed it would be a high drop rate(why did you do that), or you were sceptical which begs the question why go ahead with the purchase.

You and everyone else, again, used your money for a chance to receive a skin. So that means you knew that, normal chest contents aside, you would either get a skin, or not.

So now the skin doesn’t drop, and we have incredibly angry people telling Anet they are dishonest, greedy, etc. Looking at this rationally and logically, Anet did nothing wrong, and you made the purchase. Could Anet possibly revise the chest contents to add fillers? Yeah sure they could, but they did not, and you still bought the item in full knowledge you only had a chance. There is no basis to complain for not receiving a skin because you did not pay for one.

Drunken Mad King.8193:

@Blueroseknight

So if I buy a lottery ticket and get nothing then tell the lottery officials that I should get my money back that is not entitlement? These people believe that through spending their money on a random thing, without knowing the odds, that they are “entitled” to a prize". Sounds like the definition of entitlement to me. They got what they paid for, the chance to get something.
See you at Xmas, maybe you’ll have better odds then. The chests are calling after all

You sir are a troll or a need to learn how the real world works. Go buy a lottery ticket, guess what they do… they give percentages on chances to win. Why? So people can be informed and not assume on their chance to get what they hope to have.

What did arenanet do? Simply put the word down chance. They didn’t state a rare chance. They didn’t state a small chance. They simply didn’t let customers have an informed decision on the rate. When you see people in map chat ringing off I got X skin or Y skin you think ok they are dropping at a good rate. It was a great way to fool the customer base into buying keys.

I have only stated in these posts an intelligent response of, “Arenanet if you are going to do this system of Gambling with peoples real money than you need to give people knowledge of the odds.”

How is that a ridiculous request?

Ok ok so Anet didn’t give a specific chance you are absolutely right. So , going by this simple fact, why on earth did you and everyone else buy the kitten keys when you clearly have a massive problem with being in the dark? I feel it’s a very good question, and it’s something which should have been discussed beforehand.

It looks to me as if there are alot of irresponsible people here that bought blindly, and are now only complaining because they weren’t successful in getting a skin.

rickets.1386:

Rainfall.4017:

rickets.1386:

FalconDance.1637:

@Rickets

Just a thought, but this event goes on for a week or so. We already know that content will be added periodically specifically for this event all that while. Why would anyone spend all their money on the first day and then decide that, because they didn’t get what they expected (‘cause we all know that the odds are always in our favor and not anyone else’s), Anet is obviously greedy and uncaring about their customers. I’m sorry, but that sort of attitude is childish; gimme what I want, what I expect or I’m going to raise holy smoke and take my toys home forever.

Now, not that I’m accusing anyone here of this, but coming from 7+ years of GW1, I know that there are those who rush in, essentially grab up/buy the special goods as soon as possible and then re-sell, driving up the market prices. Perhaps Anet took that into consideration (it is a valid idea) and deliberately drizzled out the chance rate so that wouldn’t happen so soon. I don’t know – and neither does anyone besides the developers – what the actual percentage is, but apparently there are individuals who have opened chests and received special goods since there are apparently ones for sale.

Heck, I’m reading 17 pages (just this thread alone) of people griping and griefing – and I was tickled pink today to get really good armor drops on my girls and gleefully looked forward to finding pumpkins to carve, candy corn nodes and trick-or-treat bags fall from foe.

You’re missing the point. I personally don’t give a crap about my $30 i spent, i have the money. But, i want GW to succeed and it will not succeed if the people willing to pay real money don’t feel that paying real money is worth it. Don’t kid yourself, there are two types of players in GW2, freeloaders and Gem buyers. If you kitten off all the Gem buyers and turn them into freeloaders you’re not going to make much money are you, which translates into no new content for anyone…and eventually no money = no GW2.

What would have happened if i would have spent $30 and got 2 or 3 event items but not the ones i wanted? I would have bought another $30 worth of keys. Do you see how it’s in Anet’s best interest to make people willing to buy Gems feel like they are getting what they pay for?

You paid for a chance to get a rare skin. You got exactly what you paid for. A chance. What am i missing?

My entire post apparently.

I’ll say this. I can understand wanting at least some compensation for your money . However, realistically unless you get that rare skin you just aren’t going to feel compensated. What would you suggest? Any items they add to soften the blow won’t be enough .

Also i sympathise more with people who don’t whine, and i know not everyone in this thread is a whiner. However the majority have been and it’s just the wrong way to act, because it was 100% clear what you were paying for, and that’s a fact.

rickets.1386:

FalconDance.1637:

@Rickets

Just a thought, but this event goes on for a week or so. We already know that content will be added periodically specifically for this event all that while. Why would anyone spend all their money on the first day and then decide that, because they didn’t get what they expected (‘cause we all know that the odds are always in our favor and not anyone else’s), Anet is obviously greedy and uncaring about their customers. I’m sorry, but that sort of attitude is childish; gimme what I want, what I expect or I’m going to raise holy smoke and take my toys home forever.

Now, not that I’m accusing anyone here of this, but coming from 7+ years of GW1, I know that there are those who rush in, essentially grab up/buy the special goods as soon as possible and then re-sell, driving up the market prices. Perhaps Anet took that into consideration (it is a valid idea) and deliberately drizzled out the chance rate so that wouldn’t happen so soon. I don’t know – and neither does anyone besides the developers – what the actual percentage is, but apparently there are individuals who have opened chests and received special goods since there are apparently ones for sale.

Heck, I’m reading 17 pages (just this thread alone) of people griping and griefing – and I was tickled pink today to get really good armor drops on my girls and gleefully looked forward to finding pumpkins to carve, candy corn nodes and trick-or-treat bags fall from foe.

You’re missing the point. I personally don’t give a crap about my $30 i spent, i have the money. But, i want GW to succeed and it will not succeed if the people willing to pay real money don’t feel that paying real money is worth it. Don’t kid yourself, there are two types of players in GW2, freeloaders and Gem buyers. If you kitten off all the Gem buyers and turn them into freeloaders you’re not going to make much money are you, which translates into no new content for anyone…and eventually no money = no GW2.

What would have happened if i would have spent $30 and got 2 or 3 event items but not the ones i wanted? I would have bought another $30 worth of keys. Do you see how it’s in Anet’s best interest to make people willing to buy Gems feel like they are getting what they pay for?

You paid for a chance to get a rare skin. You got exactly what you paid for. A chance. What am i missing?

@Reginold.

Oh wow. You got me. Well no that’s easy to discuss and argue. Why should you HAVE to get a halloween item just because you paid with real money? No reason at all. You had a chance to use an item already in the game with added bonuses. You win or you don’t. Have some self control. The audacity of some people is just disgusting.

In the end Anet is taking the biscuit. I see no reason why they can’t at least give a cut off time. Now don’t get me wrong i’m not waiting for it per se, but it really is quite outrageous. They know for a fact everyone will be staying awake and planning to play it, yet just leave everyone in the dark all day and continue to give vague comments.

It should have been settled a few days ago. ’ The update will not come until very very late on the 22nd PST.’

Too hard though right?

Ok well i was checking my emails and i came across a mail from Anet which lists the 23rd as the start date? What gives? Like seriously it’s time big companies gave a solid time for their patches or events. They know everyone is waiting and getting excited and staying up for it, yet they leave everyone hanging. Sort it out guys, just tell us when. It’s not hard.. At least say it WON’T come before this time..

So you’re suggesting that 1. i must be a botter to even suggest people stop spamming the forums? and 2. That Anet aren’t already aware that it’s a serious issue.

Maybe you should use your brain just a bit.

You know. Repeatedly posting about bots doesn’t make the action happen any quicker. Wish people would drop these threads.

This needs to be bumped as much as possible because it’s a real issue. Please fix.

Yeah this is Incredibly frustrating. Was bugged to kitten on ,y first char now on my Necro. I may have skipped a few mobs accidentally while running to second group of researchers but.. still? Then we run to the gate where Trahearne breaks it and nothing happens. Researchers are with me but not one soldier. But Trahearne is there, with me at the wall.

I’ve been patient with bugs, you wont hear me complain. But i have no desire to do anymore personal story. I could try more band aids but i do not want to. It’s the only part of the game which is like this for me. That’s a shame aswel. I guess i’ll wait until the next patch to try one again.

Provided you have leveled every profession to AT LEAST level 20 and played around with traits and such. And you still don’t find it enjoyable, then you probably won’t be able to enjoy the game.

This is a thread for positive things to say, not negative. If you have a problem, go post a new thread or in one of the existing ones. Don’t troll someone elses thread.

Honestly? If some gold spam mails and bugs make you not play the game or lose interest, you weren’t that into the game anyway. Simple as that. f that’s the attention span of people today, god help us. The game is fine, the servers are fine, the population is fine. There are problems to sort out. Instead of discussing where the game will be in 12 months why don’t you just wait, shut up, and see.

Ok so i’m only leve 23 with my necro right now but.. I’m going a condition based with with Scepter/dagger and Staff.

Currently i’m 10 through curses now going through spite.. and i guess those trees will be close to max.

I literally pull 5 mobs every time. I start with staff, gather mobs, the nslap skill 2 and 3 down, usually 5 aswel for a small fear to get me into position. Switch to Scepter/dagger. Skill 2, skill 5, enter deathshoud and use skill 4.

Enemies are ticking for alot of condition damage and you suck the life force out of them with your aoe. You will almost always kill the mobs if you do it right, and if it sounds complex, it isn’t. The setup is like 6 seconds. Skills chained one after another.

Hope this helps. At least try it out. You can also use spectral armor for when u really need defense while aoe pulling.

Thanks for writing this. Been wondering about a dual Sword bleed build and this is a good starting point thanks.

Evil.9061:

@ Takiwaki PTR/PTS Public Test Realm/Public Test Server. Welcome to MMOs

@Nebilim You’ve missed the point. People WERE running the dungeons, now they arent and its not because of difficulty. I have yet to see an actual challenge in this game.

@Kromica Opinions shouldn’t be confused with Facts.

I don’t know where you pull your ‘facts’ from, but yes people very much do still do dungeons. Please don’t try to exaggerate the issue.

Seriously. You guys who have complaints, go to another thread where it’s actually relevant. Some dungeon difficulties and normal problems for all MMOs don’t do anything to change the fact the game is fantastic. It looks fantastic, plays fantastic, and most of it’s system are fantastic. It does more for gamers than any MMO out there, and makes our life easier in almost every traditional way. It has negatives, but sorry the positives smash them to pieces if we’re comparing here.

I’m also grateful to Anet for what they’ve done.

Easily doable as a level 30. Simply be better. Done it first time, pug group, 3 days after release.

tommy.1924:

It’ll never stop, I for one will keep it going, am annoyed and disappointed. they lied about the type of game this would be, plain and simple. They should issue refunds.

don’t like it? don’t come to this section , cause I for one am going to fill it up with complaints in till something Is addressed. or am issued a refund for buying a game that is horribly broken and wrongly advertised to steal our money, yes steal that’s what they did. that’s what liars do

Can you prove they lied? With links, interviews, facts? I doubt it. Unless in this situation they said you can attain the best cosmetic gear in the game in no time at all. Which they didn’t. Liars? Stealing? I don’t think you’re thinking straight.

phooka.4295:

People complain because a main issue they promised was just compromised: no grind.

They said that obtaining max-level gear would not require grind. Well, it does, sorry. But, up until last patch, you could circumvent that grind by speedrunning a certain explorable mode dungeon got you that gear. Still a grind, but a reasonably short one. So you could get what you were promised by a means not intended to be used that way.

So ArenaNet jumped in and rather than fixing one of the many, numerous bugs in the game, descided to make breaking their no-grind-promise a first priority. And they fix the one loophole used by players to get what they were originally promised.

That’s the way the current patch is perceived by many. Maybe you now understand why they complain. They complain about the change to the dungeons but what they are really upset about is the original promise that was already broken at release (no grind) that they successfully circumvented so far.

Before BWE1, I even understood what had been comunicated as me being able to buy ugly max-stat gear for next-to-no gold at a vendor in any capital city – and I was happily looking foreward to grinding for looks while being competetive. I absolutely resent grinding to be competetive. As it stands, full exotic is a significant amount over anthing that’s level 80 and dirt cheap. I feel cheated, too.

Max stat gear is very easy to get and requires no grind. That’s a fact. You do not need to do dungeons to get max level gear. There was no promise broken. To get that ultra cool dungeon gear? Yep you’ll have to do multiple runs. You don’t need to do this in a week however, you also don’t need to do it if you don’t enjoy it. You have free will. Use it.

Skyrant Kangaroomouse.7458:

Rainfall.4017:

Skyrant Kangaroomouse.7458:

Rainfall.4017:

I specifically stated in my OP that Balance, bugs, and similar things can an will be fixed and are irrelevant to anyone reasonable. It’s a pain, but fixes will be implemented if something is broken.

But balance and tuning is not the point. I think i explained it well enough in my post.

No you complained about people complaining.

The bad balance and tuning is the reason people are in rage mode right now.

If people are raging about that they need to calm down. Calm down, learn a small bit of patience, and give feedback. Anet gains nothing from a forum full of rage. Maybe you should think about that.

I don’t know what your problem is, but you need to re-examine yourself before telling other people to calm down. You are the one complaining about people complaining. Maybe you should calm down a bit?

I have made many posts with valuable feedback. this one for example:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/How-to-fix-Dungeons-A-lesson-in-game-design-for-ANET/

I’m putting things into perspective. I wouldn’t call that complaining. Also if you’ve given feedback and you aren’t someone who just rages, then this thread isn’t even directed at you. So i don’t understand why you needed to post.

Also i think i explained ‘my’ problem well enough in the OP.

Skyrant Kangaroomouse.7458:

Rainfall.4017:

I specifically stated in my OP that Balance, bugs, and similar things can an will be fixed and are irrelevant to anyone reasonable. It’s a pain, but fixes will be implemented if something is broken.

But balance and tuning is not the point. I think i explained it well enough in my post.

No you complained about people complaining.

The bad balance and tuning is the reason people are in rage mode right now.

If people are raging about that they need to calm down. Calm down, learn a small bit of patience, and give feedback. Anet gains nothing from a forum full of rage. Maybe you should think about that.

Rizzy.8293:

No it must not stop.
It’s not going to stop until they realize the community is what keeps them going, There are people who will refuse to touch the dungeons until they feel that risk is fair for the reward and at 3 silver apon completion? Screw that, Ill go do your stupid heart and wait around for DE.

Dungeons are hard, COOL I like the challenge, what I don’t like is they decided to do a dungeon you need to be in an organized team with voip so you can communicate in real time about when combo fields are being set up and when heals are coming and if someone needs to be rallied. AFTER they mentioned that the game is oriented more towards casuals with the already current difficult making so that GOOD SKILLED players are aware of their environments and other players combo fields various other cues.

What they got now by increasing the HP of trash mobs is what Colin Johansen said we didn’t want for guildwars “I swung a sword, I swung a sword again woohoo”, It’s boring and you have to keep doing this, what 70 times? SERIOUSLY?

No thanks rather not, Ill just appreciate this game for what it is currently an overpriced PVP game akin to League of Leagends but with more voice acting.

This is exactly what i’m talking about.

First point. Anet has always been firm on the point that explorable dungeons would be very difficult and the hardest content in the game. They’ve not ever deviated from this. The game pretty much delivers on what they promised.

Second. Rewards, Balance, mob health etc are a different dicsussion. What i will say though is if there is a problem, you guys DO NOT have to post on this forum like Anet murdered your entire family. Some of the posts are borderline disgusting for an issue which would just require some patience. You could post concise feedback but it never happens, it’s just rage and profanity. But this is about grind, not about balance issues.

I’ll say again you do not HAVE TO RUN THE DUNGEONS IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM. UNDERSTAND this please! If at the moment they aren’t fit for your enjoyment do not run them. Read this over and over until you get that this is the solution. You are not forced at this second to run them, what is wrong with you? Are you held at gun point? Why would you do something which isn’t enjoyable? The game’s been out less than a month, you aren’t running out of time for your gear.

Finally your description of the game is rediculous. Think before you post please.

Skyrant Kangaroomouse.7458:

It’s not about what is too much grind or how many hours/days/years you can play a game.

Why not? Because all of the things you mentioned are governed by one little thing that makes us come and play games in the first place: ENTERTAINMENT

If i am not entertained or if i feel i am doing a job, then why play? I already have a job.

If i am not getting rewarded or have the feeling i accomplished something with SKILL then i am not entertained.

You see where this is going, right?

At this point, dungeons are frustrating because no amount of skill or coordination will help you win certain parts of them. These parts are based purely on luck or someone found an exploit to get past it.

Some bosses are so easy, you can solo them (although it take some time to get through their HP pools). That is not ENTERTAINING at all.

At the same time regular mobs hit you for 30%-50% of your HP and have defence and HP pools that take 5 players 3-5 minutes to get through, that is simply not ENTERTAINING.

Cheers | Skyrant Kangaroomouse

I specifically stated in my OP that Balance, bugs, and similar things can an will be fixed and are irrelevant to anyone reasonable. It’s a pain, but fixes will be implemented if something is broken.

But balance and tuning is not the point. I think i explained it well enough in my post.

Come on guys. When does it stop. The constant complaining must stop. Disregarding some balance issues which will be fixed, when will this constant stream of complaining about content stop.

If you have to do 70 runs. It’s grindy.
If you have to do 50 runs. It’s a grind.
if you do 10 runs. ‘Bored, nothing to do, no endgame’

Do you see where my logic is.

Will you guys ever have the revelation that, you can stop playing the game 10 hours a day? Does that cross your mind? I don’t know if you guys assume that an MMO MUST keep you occupied all day every day for year, because it doesn’t. That’s not how the game is designed.

Other games, for example Starcraft 2, which i play. I play for a few months alot, then i stop for a while. I come back am month later refreshed and ready to do alot more playing. Most games are like this.

You guys need to translate this into MMOs. This can actually relate to the whole game but dungeons has been where the biggest debate about ‘grind’ is. I’ve played 250 or so hours of the game and i’ve done 3 story mode dungeons. That’s it. That’s a hell of a lot of game time.

There’s a thing called choice. You do not HAVE to do the dungeons. No really, you don’t. I’ve not felt like doing them right now, so i don’t. You don’t HAVE to do 70 runs in a week. You can’t DEMAND 20 minute farm runs because you want your set in a week, to then moan you have nothing to do.

Again this has nothing to do with difficulty, bugs, balance, or rewards. If you’re a reasonable human being you will have a small bit of patience while the rough edges are ironed out.

Please STOP demanding easy farm runs, because you same guys will complain of no content once you have your sets. Please don’t talk about grind, because that means you’re running something you don’t like in the first place. That’s illogical. If you want to do dungeons but don’t find them fun right now, wait to see if that changes.

Guild wars 2 is a game. It has between 150 and 250 hours of PVE leveling content. That’s just one race, one class. You have PVP, you have WvW. You have optional dungeon runs for gear, Legendaries. The game has an amazing amount of content for anyone. Please stop with the complaints about grind, endgame content. BLAH BLAH.

In conclusion. These complaints are a never ending circle jerk which make no sense and will never stop, because people are never satisfied. This happens in every MMO and it’s happening here. Pace yourself, only do what you enjoy, and don’t expect Guild Wars 2 to occupy your time All day every day.

lethlora.1320:

ccrazool.2905:

You’re quite a different kind of gamer than I am, for sure. I don’t think my experience would relate to yours at all. I haven’t got full completion on all the sub-35 zones yet (which has really turned out to be a good “seeing all the sights” gauge), and I haven’t even seen the 50+ zones yet. I’m lvl 43 and haven’t been to Ascalon Catacombs once yet… though that’s mostly due to me not looking for groups. Like I said, I have a lot of sights left to see. Also, I have played to ~lvl10 with a lot of different classes and races to find one that I liked, so I guess that took some time. But I haven’t bought any gems at all, and I forsee literally months’ worth of gameplay ahead of me. You played it out in a couple weeks, which is a pace I can’t imagine. I hope you can get some satisfaction out of your purchases, but I dunno about the “hemorrhaging players” stuff.

You don’t have to be a hardcore player to be upset about these dungeon changes. My highest level character is 42 and they make me upset too because I identify with the token prices for armors being way too high.

I suggest you stay out of dungeons and don’t look at the skins lest it ruin the illusion of a fantastic game that pretends it doesn’t have a carrot on a stick.

Regardless of anything else you say. You obviously don’t understand the concept of carrot on a stick. So stop talking about it like you do.

I’m just gna ignore your horrible post and request you go pollute Blizzards WoW forums instead. GO and pay blizzard hundreds of dollars for one raid every 6 months. Bye bye. We don’t need childish irrational people here.

So a community manager says it’s an exploit yet you disagree. No. It wasn’t intended. And maybe it wasn’t fixed fast because it was difficult to fix? Point still stands. Specifically talking about CoF. That was stupid. I doubt this will affect people doing legitimate runs.

You guys were doing stuff that obviously wasn’t intended. It’s now fixed. Be glad you weren’t banned for exploiting like all the rest. You’ve gained far more than you should ever have done.

People complain about end game content… but in other MMOs there isn’t any. WoW raiding. Same raid , 3 to 5 times a week for 2-3 hours, for like 6 months- To get better stats on your gear…..to be ready for the next raid…. rinse and repeat. LOL.

The treadmill fools you into thinking you actually have content. You don’t. You work for months for absolutely nothing at all.

GW2 has a ton of content. Enjoy it or return to your treadmill.

Haha sorry. I actually didn’t read. Yeah i’ve had 100% for like a week now yet in char select it days 97%. No idea why.

Dungeons don’t count. It’s most probably World vs World. You need all maps complete. All 3 borderlands and Eternal battlegrounds.

Deith.7596:

Salt.4621:

sixfeetunder.6508:

game has no future. just another failboat.

Hai guyz lets go play WoW an paid $180 a year to do raidz n stuff n get good gearz dat for some reeson they keep making us replace!!!

Hai guyz lets go play GW2, level up to 80 as slow as possible because it’s only thing you can do in this game!!!

Which is a total and utter lie? More facts and less emotion due to being mind washed by previous games which give an illusion of content please?